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Stan Paralikis

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« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2010, 09:26:00 AM »

I am gonna pay dearly ( ! ! ! ) for the correct pedals (gulp).
Total fabrication of the tunnel hump (Chimp w/a welder)
Mix and match endless combinations of rods, z-bars, pivots, etc, etc,
Any tranny (more $$) I would not install without a rebuild ($$)
Odds & ends: flywheel, bellhousing, clutch assembly, , tranny mount....
Disassembling left front fender & wheelhousing, dash, carpet, fron seat, steering column...
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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2010, 08:11:04 PM »

What pedals are you gonna use?  I thought about F/M-body units might work? Or modify a set of later truck or van units?

Go to the wreckers and steal all the 4 speed linkages, brackets and pivots off the dodge trucks/vans from the 70-80's.  I have done this just in case.




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« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2010, 04:47:28 AM »

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My plan was to hunt for a reasonably (  ) priced set of C-body pedals w/power brakes.
 
I'm guessing that would be the ideal starting platform.  I have looked at pictures of A/B/C and E pedal assys.  and it appears that the C-body pedals are radically different enough from the others that a set from another body type just will not work even with modifications.  But I'm guessing.  I just don't have the money to be buying stuff to "see if it might work".  It has to work or not at all.   I'm not Steve...   .  "Almost, kinda, maybe" doesn't cut it with me. (Don't forget, real estate on the firewall and under the dash is at a super premium).
I REALLY like your idea about truck assys.   Never occured to me.   Any pics?  What are they like? 
 
 
 

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« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2010, 06:51:09 AM »

What about pick up or van pedals.  You'd be surprised how similar thay are
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« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2010, 06:58:20 AM »

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What about pick up or van pedals.  You'd be surprised how similar thay are

Stupid question, but does anyone have the cross reference parts books? Mopar was pretty good at using existing parts bins for lots of things. Good possibility, and since the Imperials are barges/land yahts to begin with, that truck idea sounds pretty good.
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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2010, 07:17:21 AM »

I found lots of Pick up stuff that fits
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2010, 04:29:41 PM »

this looks extremely promissing:
http://www.drive-topless.com/Pedal%20Features.pdf
 

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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2010, 05:16:49 PM »

Correct me if I am wrong, but the pedals look backwards.  Isn't the brake always next to the gas pedal?  That looks like the brake is where the clutch should be.  But it looks like a good idea. . .
 
I still say look at the pickups.  I just came out to see if I can find a pic in the service manual for ya.
 
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« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2010, 06:06:49 PM »




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To my surprise, the 92 Dodge had a hydraulic clutch.  That may be OK, but finding a slave for the application, may prove difficult.  I know the 1st gen trucks had manual clutches.  I had an 84.  Further back, they were available with big blocks too.  That said, I remember converting a Wagoneer over to a Chevy engine and trans.  The Wagoneer was hydraulic as well.  I remember I found a Slave and made a bracket which bolted to the bell.  Then I used a adjustable push rod.  As far as I know, that jeep went all the way after that until the body was just way too tired.
 
I agree with Ed on going with the mechanical, but given the complexiity of the Body you are working with, It might be a great idea to use a hydraulic clutch.  My bet is the Pick up clutch will bolt right in., or maybe just a couple of new holes.  You may have to use a smaller diameter booster.  I will be looking into the brakes to see if I can get a picture of a booster.  The master is pretty small with the remote reservoir.  That solves some problems.  You should be able to get a hose for it, some steel line and a brake hose will work.
 
I can see this as reducing the issues of dealing with the bell crank (Z Bar) and all the links and levers involved. 
 
Ironically, the Pickups used the same yoke and U joints as the cars did.
 
Against my better judgement, Hydraulic is the way to go.
 
I made it past 11:00.  I'm going to bed so I can get off my mind.  This is the time of day when I have 2 cigaretts.  Ugh  The Agony of it all
 
 
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« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2010, 07:07:42 PM »

Steve and Stan, another option we are forgetting about, besides the mechanical and hydraulic (old timers prefer non-fluid shifters when possible), but there is also the cable system, which does give you the feel of the manual clutch pedal over the hydraulic ones, and it doesn't require hardly any room at all. I recall the early 80s Mitsu/Dodge mini truck had one. Smooth, quick and no binding, easy to adjust.
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« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2010, 03:55:28 AM »

Ya know.... I'm starting to think hydraulic although it goes against my grain....
 
That's a good pic, Steve.  Thank you.  Have a cigarette.
 
Here's a C-body w/PB assy:
 
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« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2010, 04:03:12 AM »


I agree mechanical has the better feel, but some hydraulics are pretty good. Euro cars have used

hydraulics almost forever, and the ones in most Brit cars feel pretty
good for example. The cable idea is intriguing. Not sure I ever drove a
car with one, riden lots of motorcycles with em though.  They
stretch, but adjustment is easy.


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« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2010, 04:09:07 AM »

My 2005 and 2008 Vettes, of course, had hydraulic.  Gawd, I hated it with a passion.  From day 1, the first time you powershift from 1 - 2, you'll swear it's defective.  Nope.  That's the way it is folks.  Just ask anyone on the Corvette forums.
 
 

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« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2010, 04:35:53 AM »

Corvettes maybe, but I never beat the synchros with any MG, TR, or
eType whose clutch worked right. Mfr's over there had a lot more
experience with hydro clutch design. If it's right there's no delay in
excess of play in any mecanical system, and hydraulic elasticity should
be nil.

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« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2010, 06:30:18 AM »

Interesting:
Left: C body ($$$$); Right: Jeep ($29 BIN ebay):
 

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