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General Mopar Discussions / Soliciting your thoughts on this 60 Fury
« on: September 27, 2008, 04:36:52 AM »
What price guide are you using Bob? This is an eye opener. I offered the guy $17,500 last night but he countered with 21k. He sounds firm at that price which is why the car has been sitting for 6 months. I'm going to quit with that....I was looking at two other price guides....which is how I came up with my offer. I thought my offer was on the generous side because I really like this car and let's face it, how many of these do you see for sale now-a-days?
Col. Car Market Review:
5   2250
4   7100
3   14700              between here
2   20700              and here
1   31850
Manheim Gold:
Fair              6000
Good          11000         between here
excellent    21000         and here
show          27000
I decided to check NADA after I saw your guide...I've pretty much thrown that one aside a long time ago because it's always too high....The seller always uses that one....but I was amazed to find this:
poor           6904
good         12128
excellent   17010
Surprisingly, NADA is more in line with your guide, but I have to say who could even think of getting that car for 12k??! It would have been long gone off the market by now....

General Mopar Discussions / Soliciting your thoughts on this 60 Fury
« on: September 26, 2008, 02:21:14 PM »
"If it were me and it was close by and in my price range,
I'd be inspecting it tonight"!
That's the problem. It's in Palm Springs, Ca. I'm in Rochester, NY. I just talked to the owner...very very nice guy. He's had it four years, needs to thin out the herd. He has a classic car collection. By the looks/sounds of it, it's very solid with an ok paint job, not custom or anything...the chrome is good not great. Sounds like driver quality and the interior is good, not great....could use some updating. Mechanically sound, new dual exhaust system. He mentioned the engine is a 318 with mechanical lifters. They have a "different" sound he said. I did notice the rear view mirror is not mounted on the dash like all the others I've seen. Then again it has a padded dash so I don't know how a mirror could be mounted on it. This might have been added?

General Mopar Discussions / 1957 Dodge D500 2 door sedan
« on: September 26, 2008, 09:16:43 AM »
Oooops...Sorry Firedome....sloppy readin/writin on my part. Thanks very much though. I do appreciate it and I PMed him. We'll see what he has to say. I also forgot to mention I like 60 Plymouths a lot too....right up there with the 57/58 Plymouth and 59 Dodges. I added another topic under Discussions....Soliciting your guys thoughts on a 60 Fury in Collector Car trader-on-line. Check it out and let me know what you think....
Thanks again...Bob 

General Mopar Discussions / Soliciting your thoughts on this 60 Fury
« on: September 26, 2008, 07:55:56 AM »

General Mopar Discussions / 1957 Dodge D500 2 door sedan
« on: September 26, 2008, 05:26:49 AM »
Steve, You're bad...Where did you find that mooning stickguy?...Thanks guys for all your support. It really is different here. I should have hung out here a loooong time ago. When I was hanging out at C-body dry dock (yuku) I'd be forunate to have 3-4 replies in a month...Here I get 3-4 replies in the first few hours after a post. You guys make this a lot of fun. mentioned a Donnie in Tenessee on the Forward Look site...Found him and sent him a PM..Thanks.
furyfever2008-09-26 11:03:00

General Mopar Discussions / 1957 Dodge D500 2 door sedan
« on: September 25, 2008, 05:29:15 PM »
Just finished talking with my wife about old MOPAR fin cars. She likes the 57-58 Plymouth 2 door hardtop (Belvederes) the best...AND so do I....59 Dodges second those eyebrows over the headlights... Anyways...I showed her a red 58 Belvedere on that's $35,000.00 and she said get it! You might as well spend some of the money in our portfolio before its all gone. With all the subprime/bank/wall street problems our portfolio has really suffered the last several months. Now don't I have the best wife in the whole world? Even though she has given me the go ahead (and I know she was dead serious) I still couldn't spend that kind of money....I might be able to spend 20kish though?! Anyone know of any for sale? Must be good solid, straight and need next to nothing. She does not want me to get another project car. I know shes right..I've been there/done that too many times now.  I found the forward look site tonight...pretty interesting...Wish I'd known about it a few months ago. There were some nice "deals" in there just a little while ago. 

General Mopar Discussions / 1957 Dodge D500 2 door sedan
« on: September 25, 2008, 04:10:27 AM »
You know....I was talking to my wife last night about it. She said it sounded very fishy too....The guy didn't want to set up an appt. when I called him at his home the previous night, but says "call me on my cell phone tomorrow" and then when I called, the cell phone service had a recording saying "the number has been disconnected/out of service". Also the same that I think about it...he did try to divert attention to his other cars he has for sale. Who knows...perhaps he has a fake ad in Craigslist to get some attention on his other junk he has for sale?? I know I wouldn't have the stones to do something like that...I woke up at 4:00 AM last night and couldn't get it off my mind....couldn't get back to sleep. It's bad when a hobby/cars get a hold of you so much. I would just like to enjoy what I have and not get obsessed with finding more. Anyone else have this struggle? I mean really.... When all is said and done and this life is over I want to be remembered for my love for others, my love for my Creator and my desire to live by HIS standards...not for my love of cars....(although obviously I do enjoy them) We certainly can use the hobby though to show our love to others, but how easy it is (at least for me) to let it get out of hand. I'm getting over it...time helps and you guys certainly help too. Thanks to all...The responses from all of you are great..

General Mopar Discussions / 1957 Dodge D500 2 door sedan
« on: September 24, 2008, 05:35:33 AM »
Yeah I was salivating I'm really bummed. I got into work this morning only to find an e-mail from him saying that "he took a deposit on the d500" last night! I didn't even get a chance to look at it!! I knew I needed to get over there ASAP....I tried calling him on his cell phone yesterday...but kept getting a recording that the number is no longer in service/has been disconnected. He's also selling a Junk-Bucket I guess....and some guy came over to look at it .....apparently he also saw the Dodge and talked this guy into selling it to him. I can't believe it...It will take some time to get over this debacle....I have to keep telling myself that it just wasn't meant to be. I wish I'd never heard about the car now.
furyfever2008-09-24 10:40:53

General Mopar Discussions / 1957 Dodge D500 2 door sedan
« on: September 23, 2008, 07:08:13 AM »
Thanks stitcherbob, I appreciate the info. So it looks like this car is a Super D-500 since it has dual quads. They could have been added later though. And only 500 of these were planned?....If the carbs are original to the car, (I don't know how anyone would know for sure other than decoding the tags on the car...) do you know what this car would be worth if it's actually what the guy says it is....0 rust ever....all abuse, 51,000 miles etc. Remember it's a post car not a hardtop unfortunately...I've looked at NADA, Gold, Col. Car Market Review....they're all over the place....from $5,000-11,000....add 20-30% for D500 package. Some don't even list a 325 engine for that year Coronet.

General Mopar Discussions / 1957 Dodge D500 2 door sedan
« on: September 23, 2008, 06:22:43 AM »
Yeah, I looked around on the internet last night and did find a few things on it. The police cars got the Super D500 package...not sure what this means other than more horsepower...but it was a step up from the D500 offered to the public. This guy is calling it a 325 ci Hemi with dual quads. I myself did not know the Hemi was a 325 ci... I thought the Hemis were 354 ci and larger. I thought the 325 ci was the "red ram". Hopefully someone here with some knowledge on these will reply. Also, the car is turquois and white and supposedly the paint codes on the car matches the I don't think it's a former police car. Who knows though...Anything is possible after 50+ years.

General Mopar Discussions / 1957 Dodge D500 2 door sedan
« on: September 23, 2008, 05:57:30 AM »
Hey guys, There's a guy in my area that claims he has one of these...and that it's the real deal... He bought it at an local estate auction. Are these rare? I would think most of the D500 cars were hardtops. Any body have production totals for 1957 Dodge? He says it's all original right down to the paint/interior/chrome...the dual quads everything. He's planning to resell...I'd like to be ready and up to speed on the details before he does...Thanks, Bob

General Tech / Stuck (closed) heat riser valve??
« on: September 10, 2008, 06:37:32 PM »

Click on photos to enlarge...You can see the small holes one on each side of the heat riser valve. JB Weld will hold up to the heat? I have some and can try patching these holes up if I know it will last.  Has anyone ever seen these holes in their logs? Exhaust is streaming out these holes when the engine is running. I'm thinking that's what I'm feeling when I put my hand down there. Since I removed the exhaust manifold gaskets the exhaust leak is much quieter now....(I now have "metal to metal") but I can still hear a small leak..perhaps it's from these holes??

General Tech / Stuck (closed) heat riser valve??
« on: September 10, 2008, 03:23:02 PM »
As far as I know Matt...I've never read the numbers to see if they match. Does something sound fishy?? I don't know where to look for the numbers on the motor and what I should be comparing them to. If you fill me in, I'll look into it. Thanks, Bob

General Tech / Stuck (closed) heat riser valve??
« on: September 10, 2008, 11:10:44 AM »
Yes Furyfan you are right....I didn't understand what Cbarge was saying....He has big blocks so I'm sure that's why...The best way I can describe this setup is that the crossover has a cup on it that fits onto the exhaust manifold and it has a taper.....theres a flange which is just a flat plate with 3 holes in it...a big one in the center for the crossover pipe (outside diameter) and two small holes on either side for the nuts and bolts. No donut. When I undid the two bolts the flange fell all the way down the crossover pipe so it's fairly loose on the pipe. You're right, I better remove it again and make sure there is no rust/junk on that taper on the exh. man. and that the cup on the pipe is nice and round/clean. I thought I did so...but perhaps I missed something. Since I wrote my last reply I have noticed some small holes in the exhaust manifold...they look like intentional factory relief holes? I am feeling leaks from these holes too. I'd like to tap them and screw some small bolts into them while I have it out...again..I can't imagine why Ma put those in there...I'll have to look at the other side and see if that one has them too. These holes are probably only 1/8-3/16" in dia....down low on both sides of the heat riser valve. furyfever2008-09-10 16:12:22

General Tech / Stuck (closed) heat riser valve??
« on: September 09, 2008, 05:29:33 AM »
Well...I did remove the exhaust man. gaskets....back to metal on metal now....not sure if they were causing a leak or not, because I still have an exhaust leak where the ex. man. meets the crossover pipe (I put my hand down in there and felt it). I'm thinking I have to loosen the crossover where it meets the muffler pipe now...then reattach/tighten the crossover to the exhaust manifold. Is this the proper method to get good alignment with the two?? There's no donut there...Are there any other tricks to get rid of a leak here??

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