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MEMBERS Project Cars in Progress / 1960 Belvedere new Project 413!
« on: November 01, 2011, 08:10:35 AM »
Quote from: POLARACO
You'll have to ask Steve Scalafanie what I kept saying when we trailered his 60 Vert from North Carolina.
The 60 Plymouth is such an "off the wall" design that it has become a work of art. That's what makes these cars such unusual, flamboyant and eye riveting hulks of 'ol Detroit iron.
Steve...I keep looking for you to post the name of the guy that restores heater control valves...over on my 58 DeSoto heater core thread.... Give it up Stevo    

General Tech / 1958 DeSoto heater core leak?
« on: October 25, 2011, 07:06:31 PM »
Quote from: POLARACO
Do you want the information of the valve rebuilder?  You seemed to have go off on a tangent there. . .  That guy sometimes has them on ebay, but I have his info.  I stopped looking for it when you went off with a non-stock plan.

Yes Steve, I'd like the rebuilder's name and contact info. 
furyfever2011-11-22 11:31:15

MEMBERS Project Cars in Progress / 1960 Belvedere new Project 413!
« on: October 25, 2011, 10:27:45 AM »
Welcome to Moparfins Tim!!...and Congratulations on getting the 60 Belvy...Awesome looking car ...Definitely one of my top Mopar favorites. I almost bought a 60 Savoy 2 dr sedan a few years back but would up buying a 57 Belvy instead. Through my search I had noticed this one for sale on a few different Mopar forums but my (big) project days are over. Sure am glad to see it has a new home!! I had hoped an enthusiastic Mopar Fin Lover would buy it and turn it into something great. I look forward to many progress photos! Do it up exactly the way you want it.
Best wishes to you,

Site Questions and Announcements / Happy Birb Day Roger--FIREDOME--
« on: October 25, 2011, 10:14:16 AM »
Oooops...A couple of days late but....not too late to say a Happy (belated) Birthday to you! I hope you had a great day Rog!!

General Tech / 1958 DeSoto heater core leak?
« on: October 25, 2011, 08:22:40 AM »
Ed...Except for the price...I liked the looks of this one.
Very similar to mine (although it's for an AC car). The positive side of all this, I have the luxury to take my time and look now...I put the heater hoses directly on the heater core and added the new antifreeze this past weekend so that's all set for the winter now...The interior has been removed and is at the upholstery shop, so time is on my side now to look and find a control valve over the winter. I'm scraping and treating the rust on the floorpans in the meantime. So it's all good.  I just thought about this...I guess maybe it would be considered a project car perhaps I should post some starting/progress photos over in that area.
Thanks again...for everything...
Here's another photo (that I really like) of the car. I hope you all enjoy.


General Tech / 1958 DeSoto heater core leak?
« on: October 25, 2011, 05:24:29 AM »
Quote from: dana44
Definitely hook it up direct. As long as there is a heater door to block off the hot air, or allow you to direct the hot air where you want it to go, like defrost, panel or floor, not having a valve only prevents you from shutting the flow off.
I looked at several of them, vacuum and manual control, my post talks about it, most are vacuum operated now, but they do list like 1965 C10 truck valves that are still manual, or around a 1972 Dodge Challenger, after thinking about it, would work. It actually has two hoses in and out, but only one in and out is controlled and the bottom connection could be cut off, not neede and not controlled at all.
Bet this would work:
Thank you Ed...I really appreciate all the time you looked around for me. I'm sure from all your research I can come up with something to go in there, that will function just like original and also look good too.
You're a great forum friend to help me like this

General Tech / 1958 DeSoto heater core leak?
« on: October 21, 2011, 09:18:55 AM »
Yeah...That's probably the best thing to do...A few of the other guys have suggested that I should do this already. Perhaps a control valve from our fine C-bodied cars would work. I'll have to start really looking for one...actually I did see some already but I found that they were quite expensive as well (on e-bay). Obviously, I can't get it for this weekend so I think I'll just hook the hoses straight up to the heater core for now to get the antifreeze in it for the winter.
furyfever2011-10-21 14:36:53

General Tech / 1958 DeSoto heater core leak?
« on: October 21, 2011, 07:18:37 AM »
Thanks for all your thoughts on this guys. I appreciate it. I was confused about the thermostat probe too. This is a non-AC car by the way. The curly coil at the end goes in the heater core box. I guess it overrides the setting on the manual controls when the engine coolant reaches steady state temp? At least...That's what a guy at work said when he looked at it.  I still don't quite get it though because the heater control valve seems to be normally open...(I can blow through the valve until I push the valve lever which is what the slide bar would do as I push the slide bar towards "warmer")  This would shut the flow of hot coolant off to the heater core and wouldn't cooler air be blown in then?  Maybe that's when the thermostat kicks in and opens and closes the valve with small adjustments...I don't know. My pea brain was fried too many times when I was young and dumb I guess....
Anyways...second and more important thought that I hope I can get an answer to...because I want to get the proper mix of antifreeze in the car this weekend and button the car up for the winter. Couldn't I just put in a 5/8" OD brass on/off valve from the hardware store in line to the heater core for now until I decide on what to do with this original valve? Then next spring...I could leave the flow ON to get heat in the car and when summer comes I could shut it OFF? It wouldn't hurt anything to totally shut it off  would it? I know that's what the original valve does...but I'm thinking the original valve may never shut off ALL flow...It wouldn't put a strain on the water pump would it?...or create leaks elsewhere?
Thanks, Bob

General Tech / 1958 DeSoto heater core leak?
« on: October 19, 2011, 04:26:58 PM »
Quote from: thrashingcows
Can you post a pic of the valve...maybe someone can find an aftermarket unit that would work?

This is a robertshaw valve. I'll have to call NAPA to see if they can get a rebuild kit for it. I did notice that once I mess with it though JC Restoration won't accept it as a core.

General Tech / 1958 DeSoto heater core leak?
« on: October 19, 2011, 10:31:58 AM »
Quote from: dana44
Is it leaking along a seam that could be soldered to seal it or would that be an impossibility?
No...It looks like it's leaking from the backside of the valve...The copper tubes look good- no holes or cracks. I'm thinking there's an old, cracked or worn seal/o-ring/washer inside of the valve.
furyfever2011-10-19 15:44:22

General Tech / 1958 DeSoto heater core leak?
« on: October 19, 2011, 09:08:16 AM »
I finally got some time last night to pull the heater control valve out of the car. At first glance, the valve mechanism seemed to work well...I blew into the inlet and worked the valve lever and it shut off almost all of the flow of air. I though it was in good shape except for the copper nipples. They were bent up a bit and initially I thought "well...that's why it's leaking". I was able to straighten them out very nicely so I brought it to work today to pressure test it....but it leaked like a sieve from the backside. So I guess I'll need to get this one rebulit or find a a similar one that will work. I saw a guy that rebuilds them on the net...JC Auto Restoration, Inc. Looks like this one will be $145.00.
furyfever2011-10-19 14:13:29

General Tech / 1958 DeSoto heater core leak?
« on: October 07, 2011, 04:30:26 PM »
Thanks Roger...I appreciate the kind words. After looking on e-bay for a heater control valve they look very pricey...They're anywhere from $200-400.00. Not me...not now 
Has anyone improvised in a way like this before? Couldn't I just put an inline shutoff (from the local hardware store) and then go directly to the heater core with the hose?...In the summer shut the flow off and in the fall turn the flow back on (when I want heat)? I'd just have to go under the hood to turn the heat on...Then just the heater control (slide bar) in the car wouldn't be operational. The stock heater control valve just shuts off the flow right?...and it's hooked up to the slide bar on the heater control I presume... 

General Tech / 1958 DeSoto heater core leak?
« on: October 06, 2011, 05:09:50 PM »
Thanks guys I really appreciate all the feedback. I'm glad to know that the connection at the firewall (top left) is a heater control valve and not a heater core. The heater core is obviously in the long horizontal plenum behind the air cleaner then. Thanks Snotty...the photo you posted is very similar to my 58 DeSoto. I hope heater control valves are available! At least I can keep it bypassed until I find one...
Thanks guys are  Here's a couple of photos for you to enjoy.

furyfever2011-11-22 11:29:35

General Tech / 1958 DeSoto heater core leak?
« on: October 06, 2011, 04:19:00 AM »
My DeSoto Firesweep started leaking from the heater hose connection at the firewall last night. Thankfully it leaked down the outside of the firewall onto the ground....not into the interior (floor). The upper nipple must have a crack/rot hole in it. Anyways, I wound up bypassing it with a piece of copper pipe to connect it to the water pump return and had no leaks thereafter. Here's the heater hose route...From water pump to connection at firewall into heater core (under dashboard)....out from inner heater core to big horizontal plenum in engine bay (behind air cleaner) with attached blower. Out from this horizontal plenum back to water pump. My question is: Are there 2 heater cores?...and why would that be? Has anyone removed the heater core under the dash? Is it difficult?

Thanks, Bob

General Mopar Discussions / Waygun wins new wheels
« on: September 21, 2011, 04:30:57 AM »
Quote from: furyfever
What a shame Leaburn...That piece of glass looks to be in the side of the tread....not actually the sidewall...Can't it be patched from the inside and saved? least for a spare?

Ignorring me = nice way of saying "what a stupid question"?

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