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Title: 300C slipping
Post by: steve fogel on April 07, 2008, 11:59:42 AM
I noticed my 2005 300C was not engaging in drive when cold for some time.....then I got on the Freeway the other day and it went "Vroom" like it was in neutral but it was in drive.....the engine light came on and I took it to the shop......any idea what causes this?.....heck you can't even check the tranny fluid on those things.....there's no dipstick, dipstick !
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Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Matt Aker on April 07, 2008, 12:12:10 PM
If it's like a GM tranny coupled to a Northstar V-8 there is a fill hole (somewhere).  On the GM's you fill it to the hole's level and an internal pump maintains the proper fluid level in the valve body and torque convertor.
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Steve on April 07, 2008, 12:30:03 PM
I have a dripstick in my wifes Charger. . .  Dipstick

Title: 300C slipping
Post by: steve fogel on April 07, 2008, 01:04:17 PM
a "fillhole".??......whoa, I don't want to get into yer personal life, I just want to know what's wrong with my tranny......(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Matt Aker on April 07, 2008, 01:13:10 PM
Yer the one who called us a "dip-stick" (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)  Ye ask a question, Ye get an answer!
 
now looking-up dip-stick in Roget's Thesaurus and synonyms fer previously mentioned werd...
 
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Title: 300C slipping
Post by: steve fogel on April 07, 2008, 02:05:40 PM
I didn't call you a dipstick, dipstick, I called the people who didn't put a dipstick on the car dipsticks, you dipstick (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Steve on April 07, 2008, 03:26:53 PM
You keep that up and I'll dip-stick ya. . . Dip-stick (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
But you are right, what dip-stick decided to leave out a dip-stick.  Dip-stick
 
This is going nowhere fast. . . .(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)
 
Didn't you have a incident a few months ago with the shift cable on that?  Maybe it's loose or out of adjustment???
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Bill Mounteer on April 07, 2008, 05:49:15 PM
Never mind dip sticks and holes ...

 I'm still stuck on "not engaging in drive when cold".

What's that mean, less than 80 ? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)

Or maybe a cold snap all the way down to 75 ? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif)

Your oil cooler is probably working too well, put a piece of cardboard in front of it! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)


Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on April 07, 2008, 06:07:52 PM
Good one Bill!!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Stitcherbob on April 07, 2008, 06:22:29 PM
My dad's '08 Dodge Avenger had a similar problem a while ago. When you got in and started the car and left the driveway quickly, the car wouldn't shift out of first. It would return to normal if you pulled over, shut it off and waited a minute or 2 before starting again. Shifting thru the ranges had no effect on it.
We told the dealer about it after it happened a couple of times and they said they hadn't heard of any problems. The next day we got a recall notice on it! The computer needed to be re-programmed.
Maybe yours is a computer glitch as well.....

Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Johnny D. on April 07, 2008, 07:41:58 PM
new cars... i tell ya.




Title: 300C slipping
Post by: steve fogel on April 07, 2008, 07:51:37 PM
like how it slips when it's low on fluid......and the dipsticks at Chrysler said it was low on fluid and there's also a factory notice on the tranny valves.......shouldn't those morons check it when you have yer "12 point service"?........they just check the window washer fluid and pee in the bottle if it's low.......I'll bet those dunces didn't check it........yes, Polaraco, the shift cable broke a few months back.......see what happens when you buy the low priced Christ-ler instead of the BMW or Mercedes.......pure pot metal on the innards........
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: steve fogel on April 07, 2008, 07:53:22 PM
probably slipped until it got some fluid......those jit for brains idiots didn't check the level......probably riding around on a couple drops of fluid.......should have them replace the tranny before the 7/70 warranty expires.....
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Snotty on April 08, 2008, 09:46:12 AM
I was going to say it sounded like low fluid.  There are no leaks on your car, are there?  Did you ask them where, or how the fluid got low?
Keep your records in case you have to fight this.  The Dealers in Bakersfield are notorious for screwing customers over factory warrantees - all of them - Dodge, Chevy, Ford, even your precious BMW!  There's no competition in this town so there's no need to satisfy customers.
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Steve on April 08, 2008, 09:49:59 AM
I am not familiar with the transmissions on these new cars but I have to ask.
 
Is it possible you lost some fluid when they fixed the cable?  Maybe they didn't replentish it.
 
That doesn't have a vacuum module on it like the GM's had.  Does it???
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: steve fogel on April 08, 2008, 03:58:06 PM
Low fluid level - Cause: Leaking at Plug adapter/Guide Bushing Connector, replace connector.....this had a factory dealer notice
Valve Body Failure found gear ratio error and trans temp error-removed valve body and cleaning 3/4 shift valves and bore
 
Translation:   The piece of crap ain't runnin' right, and it'll cost $700 to fix it !!
 
that was under warranty but I had the 30k service too........
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Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Steve on April 08, 2008, 04:10:19 PM
OK  I missed something.
 
You are saying there was a factory TSP on some sort of a leaking O-Ring and you didn't know it?  So the trans leaked out over time leaving you hanging.  They had to remove the valve body and clean something because the computer says so?  Then charge you $700.00?
 
Question.  Why didn't they see the leak when they replaced the shift cable a few months ago?  If it were leaking more severely, you would have seen spots, so I have to say it was leaking when you took it in for the cable.
 
I'll bet you'd like to contaminate one of those peoples samples so they would be put through hell. . . .(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)  Imagine.  The tech who worked on your car has a blood test.  You get the sample.  Instead of being anemic, you tell him he has jungle rot.  That causes him to go through extensive, expensive, treatments which put him through hell!  When the truth comes out all you have to say is:  Sorry  "Out of Warranty".
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again.  There are mechanics and then there are mechanics.
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: steve fogel on April 08, 2008, 08:30:25 PM
Yer assuming these so called "mechanics" have something other than fresh bovine manure between their ears......not so......yes, they should have told me about the slow leak warning in the factory notice.......the $700 was fer a bunch of other crap, plugs, flush and what not.......they didn't charge for the tranny up yer fanny or it wouldn't have been $950.....more BS (Bovine Scatology) from our fine friends in the car repair industry......
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: steve fogel on April 08, 2008, 08:34:47 PM
heck they charge $700 out here just to have you pull yer car into the service bay so they can laugh at it......then the REAL charges begin
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Snotty on April 09, 2008, 09:04:15 AM
Yes, Bakersfield Chrysler sucks!  Can you take the car to Haddad Dodge?  Their service department is much better and your warrantee should be good there as well.  It's worth a shot.
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on April 09, 2008, 01:32:18 PM
My Dadhadda Chrysler!!! Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk!!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
ardog2008-04-09 18:34:31
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: steve fogel on April 09, 2008, 03:46:23 PM
I heard Haddad is merging with Bakersfield Shysters so they can combine forces to rip off the average Joe(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: steve fogel on April 09, 2008, 03:49:54 PM
Yes, one time my lower trim came loose because I cut a right turn tight and hit an 8 inch high curb......I ordered a new trim piece and the guy said, "you want to put it on, or have us do it"......I said, "well can you do it"?........the guy walked out, snapped it on (took 10 seconds).....when I went back inside, he tacked $10 onto the bill !.........Flog damn sockstuffing morons !
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Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Steve on April 09, 2008, 03:56:45 PM
Only in California
 
Nontopic, but related
This morning I decided to drive my truck, which hasn't been mooved in 2 weeks.  $48,000 truck mind you. I hit the key, dead.  I mean dead dead.  I mean Fogel type of dead.  Jump started it, thinking I left something on and checked.  Nothing.  But the pooter is supposed to turn that stuff off anyway.  Got back in the cab and found the check engine light.
 
Long story short. . .called the dealer. . ."Sure Steve.  When do you want to come in?  Tomorrow morning or Friday?  While we have it, we have those warranty panels for your dash and there is a new flash for your computer too."
 
Now that is service!
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Snotty on April 10, 2008, 09:40:50 AM
Quote from: ardog
My Dadhadda Chrysler!!! Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk!!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
 
Good one Arlen!
 
Yeah, Haddad is an Arabic name.  One September 11 and 12, 2001, he closed the store and blocked the entrances with used trucks.  John Haddad was very afraid of reprisals for the attack on the WTC.
 
Fogel, I did not know there was a merger in the works.  That's really too bad.  HAddad's service used to be terrible, but got much better when thney moved to the Auto Mall.  I would hate to see this merger as Bak. Chrysler's service is, as I said, dreadful!
 
It's not as bad as Jim Burke Ford, however!  Don't know if that's something to celebrate or cry over?
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Snotty on April 10, 2008, 09:46:57 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Only in California
 
Nontopic, but related
This morning I decided to drive my truck, which hasn't been mooved in 2 weeks.  $48,000 truck mind you. I hit the key, dead.  I mean dead dead.  I mean Fogel type of dead.  Jump started it, thinking I left something on and checked.  Nothing.  But the pooter is supposed to turn that stuff off anyway.  Got back in the cab and found the check engine light.
 
Long story short. . .called the dealer. . ."Sure Steve.  When do you want to come in?  Tomorrow morning or Friday?  While we have it, we have those warranty panels for your dash and there is a new flash for your computer too."
 
 
I agree, Steve.  However, service like that can be found in California.  It is very good in LA and Sacto.  I don't know about Fresno, but have heard horror stories about service in The City.  (S.F. to you non-Californians.)  It can also be found in the smaller towns.  Many of my church members that are farmers buy their cars in Tulare and Visalia and take their cars there for service.  In Bakersfield many people drive to Taft.  These small towns need the work and offer great service to get it.  Bakersfield??  They figure of you want to drive to Taft go ahead!  Otherwise they have you over a barrel!
 
It's really too bad.
 
By the way, the last new car I bought was the Stratus in '95 and I bought it in Ventura.  Why?  They treated me like a customer and made great price offers.  Bakersfield dealers?  Don't get me started!!!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Mike on April 14, 2008, 09:52:41 AM
The GM dealers around here arent too great either, they have given my
poor father the run around several times. Dad hates to go to the dealer
and avoids going at all costs those turkey's call themselves
techincians yet I doubt they know the meaning of the word.

Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Steve on April 14, 2008, 04:39:16 PM
Unfortunately P, It's that way all over.  All the car companies have that problem.  The good mechanics don't work for a dealer because a dealer pays so crappy.
It amazes me how they think.  It's an ongoing problem, they know it, but yet they won't pay to get good help.POLARACO2008-04-14 21:40:23
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Bill Mounteer on April 14, 2008, 05:37:48 PM

Quote from: Potatoe
The GM dealers around here arent too great either, they have given my
poor father the run around several times. Dad hates to go to the dealer
and avoids going at all costs those turkey's call themselves
techincians yet I doubt they know the meaning of the word.

Ditto with Ford. My '95 Crown Vic came with free oil and filter changes for as long as I own the car. On my first oil change, the "extras" were over $100. That was my last Ford oil change.

Thirteen years later, my youngest daughter now drives the car with the registration is still in my name.  Couple of  months ago she found the free oil change card in the glove box and thinking "great free oil", she hit the dealer. The service guy gave her a hard time and tried to convince her she'd have to pay, however he eventually realized that when my daughter is thinking "free oil" she means to get "free oil"! 

In the end they tried to bill her $50 for some BS warranty inspection. She departed telling them the warranty expired 10 years ago and that she didn't order any stupid inspection and that she won't pay anything for a free oil change and that she thinks they are all a bunch of crooks and that she will never buy a Ford product!

Knowing her as I do, Ford has seen the last of her. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif).

Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Tom Dawson on May 23, 2008, 10:26:04 AM
Here is a typical problem for the 300C, the transmission (which is German)
has an electric plug that goes into the trans on the passenger
side front above the pan-this stupid Idea LEAKS ALL THE TIME, the fix
is replacing the connector with a new one that has revised seals,
take a peek under the car and if you see red fluid dripping under it
on the passenger side-then you need a new plug.
  Tom
I have seen a ton of these when I worked for the dealership
Title: 300C slipping
Post by: Bill Mounteer on May 23, 2008, 02:43:11 PM
A good warranty story.

A friend was hauling his boat out of the water at Little Shuswap lake, off the beaten track and  about 10 Km from Chase BC. His Jeep hauled the boat out OK and he shut it off while he put the tie downs on his boat. When he tried to restart the Jeep, it was dead.

So he hauls out his Cell phone and calls  the Chrysler 800 number on the window sticker for road side service and within an hour a flat-bed truck shows up and hauls his Jeep into Kamloops, BC, about 70 Km away. They fixed what ever the problem was and delivered his Jeep back to the lake on the flat-bed the following morning.  No Charge!

Now that I call service!

Made me feel pretty good since my Jeep also has a full bumper to bumper warranty with road side for 7 years! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

It might make a difference in the service you get if you initialize the request using the 800 number rather than just driving into the dealer.