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Title: Smog conversion
Post by: firedome on April 01, 2008, 05:15:39 AM
In line with the post about emissions requirments for old cars in CA
-  I've considered converting to propane - it's easy, car runs
better, oil stays clean forever, less contaminants in engines... and
the car emissions are much cleaner - might even get thru a Smog Check -
anyone done it? What's not to like???(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)

Title: Smog conversion
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 01, 2008, 03:28:14 PM
Our members across the pond in Europe (Sjak Brak) had done the propane conversions mainly due to the cost of gas over there.
Hope he chimes in about his conversion on his 440 Imp
Title: Smog conversion
Post by: Brian on April 01, 2008, 05:16:58 PM
I have a complete propane system in my shed I pulled off a SB mopar a few years ago...cost me $90 CDN.  Maybe I'll have to use it some day??
 
 
Title: Smog conversion
Post by: Snotty on April 02, 2008, 11:10:45 AM
Quote from: firedome
What's not to like???(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
 
The 50-100 gallon pressurized tank you have to mount in the trunk.  25% loss in milage.  Propane does not have the BTU of gasoline.
 
One final point.  In hte early 80's Carson City NV converted their cop cars to propane as a way to save money.  When two of them blew up they returned them all to gas.  This was a rare occasion, but it did happen.  Propane makes a great bomb when it goes.
 
There's three things not to like.
Title: Smog conversion
Post by: Matt Aker on April 02, 2008, 11:35:58 AM
All of the Schwan's food service trucks I have seen are motivated by LPG.  If one of those blew-up it would be raining ice cream and steaks!
 
What's not to like about that (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
Title: Smog conversion
Post by: firedome on April 02, 2008, 02:38:30 PM
Cars gas tanks blow up - ever heard of Pintos??? Propane is quite safe. Quite a few urility companies around here have fleets of them. Never heard of a problem. And yes, it has less specific energy (I'm a retired Chem techer, thanks) but range is not such a big deal with a collector car, at least for me. The engine likes it better, and that's major.
Title: Smog conversion
Post by: Matt Aker on April 02, 2008, 02:47:48 PM
They emit less Co. too, don't they?
 
If the space shuttle could burn LPG on lift-off there might NOT be a hole in the ozone layer...
Title: Smog conversion
Post by: firedome on April 02, 2008, 03:34:45 PM
Not only that, but less oxides of nitrogen and sulfur,  carbon monoxide and and dioxide, not to mention the really toxic and dangerous stuff like dihydrogen monoxide.
Title: Smog conversion
Post by: Snotty on April 02, 2008, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: firedome
Cars gas tanks blow up - ever heard of Pintos??? Propane is quite safe. Quite a few urility companies around here have fleets of them. Never heard of a problem. And yes, it has less specific energy (I'm a retired Chem techer, thanks) but range is not such a big deal with a collector car, at least for me. The engine likes it better, and that's major.
 
I said it happened twice and it was rare.  Gas tanks don't blow up, they ignite.  They only blow" in the movies.
 
It sounds like you're sold on the idea, so why ask for opinions?
Title: Smog conversion
Post by: firedome on April 03, 2008, 04:27:37 AM
Picky picky picky- "blow up" is just a convenient shorthand expression,
my point being valid nonetheless...actually, ignition is just the
triggerring event of the actual explosion, the compression or electric
spark intiated extremely rapid oxidaton of the vaporized volatile short
chain molecular components in the  liquid petroleum fractionation
column derived crude oil product that we call gasoline. Did many a
fractionation in Organic Chem lab....  "What's not to like" is a
rhetorical question. What I was asking specifically was "has anyone
done it?"... I'd like feedback on actual on the road use of propane in
a collector car from someone who's been there. I've heard reports on
improved engine performance, cleaner oil, etc.  There are millions
of propane vehicles in use, including virtually all forklifts used
indoors, specifically because their emissions are so clean as to not
cause a significant problem with indoor air, and the smog issue was the
original topic of the thread. I'm interested in lowering emission
products without adding cats.