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Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 21, 2007, 05:55:23 PM
CBarge2014-05-14 11:57:11
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 21, 2007, 05:59:11 PM
When she came home in August 2005 (above)
and as she sits today:
CBarge2007-09-21 23:01:46
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 21, 2007, 06:04:28 PM
Pics look decieving.All the hard work is in the rear portion of the car.All fabricated from scratch--no repro Cramaro panels here.
Ray and I are just a couple of amateurs having fun with an old C and all the toys...tools available at our disposal LOL.
The more obvious changes are coming....say tuned..
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on September 22, 2007, 11:48:00 AM
Rooking good Lea!!! You've come a loooooooong way baby!!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 23, 2007, 05:58:03 AM
Today is my first day of holidays and will be working on her feverioushly.
Last night I tested the sending unit hotrodnwillie donated to the BoaB.It can be soldered up to stop the leak.I used my ohm reader and it does work,so in theory my guage should read what's in the tank.
I have a lot to do in a short time,and the only way to do it is get my ass away from this pooter...
CBarge2007-09-23 10:59:34
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on September 23, 2007, 07:45:52 AM
One piece of advice
 
Drink less beer  LOL
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on September 24, 2007, 09:10:42 AM
Looks great Lea!, If anything maybe your not drinking enough beer!,
only one question , what the heck in a hotrodnwillie?. Mobby should
also bring HOT coffee lol.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on September 24, 2007, 10:04:43 AM
What a pile of junk (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 25, 2007, 05:33:40 AM
Here is a pile of junk..What a turd..
Actually it is my sister donor car,2 door
My good friend Shawn and I towed her back home.I bought it a few months back but until now had a way to get her home.
Look at that face,she knows she's doomed..
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 25, 2007, 05:39:04 AM
We left at 6 am,got stuck in Toronto's rush hour traffic arond 8-9 am.
Drove a while longer picked it up at 12.Left a half hour later and got home 5 pm.Had supper,a beer and started dismantling.
I could not wait! Even after dark I was still going! Jamie and Rusty popped in and I stopped around 8 pm.
This is what I achieved in a short time..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on September 25, 2007, 06:40:20 AM
Is that a green door I see? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 25, 2007, 06:13:23 PM
Yes.Someone in the past swapped a lot of parts on this car.The green car was parted out.Most of the green car is in the trunk!!
Today I continued to rape the beast of parts.
The crossover and middle pipe are in great shape.I will use them.Rebuilt brake booster.Nice windshield and front bumper.
Click on pic for enlargement:
CBarge2007-09-25 23:21:37
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 25, 2007, 06:20:54 PM
Car is a real turd interior and body wise.However mechanically,the car was kept up.Even the muffler and tailpipe is fairly new-it is still shiny!The gas tank has been treated and has a protective coating on it.
Even the brakes were functioning when I rolled it off the trailer!!
New parking brake cables ,new u-joints
CBarge2007-09-25 23:23:13
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on September 27, 2007, 12:04:01 PM
Geez Lea, that car is shot , but at least your getting some good parts
off of it so part of that car will live again. Hope everything
continues according to plan.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 27, 2007, 05:00:42 PM
Thanks,Potato.
Today I took a day off from everything to do nothing.
Here are pics of the rotted trunk in the Sister Donor Car..and when we picked her up.
 
CBarge2007-09-28 00:09:13
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 28, 2007, 12:08:07 PM
Well,she is now resting peacefully in a local yard.Got 50 bux back for what was left.I took home the rear axles.They are in good shape.
A moment of silence for a dearly de-parted-out C..
The last ride..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 28, 2007, 12:12:33 PM
She is not alone.In the yard is a '68 Poara 500 Canadian model 318/727 2.76 gears.Very basic car..
Other cars mentionable is a '57 Chebbie,'66 Toronado,and a slew of old Dodge trucks--some with big block powerplants.
.One of the employees is an old car nut and tends to hang on to the old schtuff. 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 28, 2007, 12:14:33 PM
Next on the list is to turn my attention back onto the BoaB itself.
I pretty much have everything I need at this point to keep me busy for the remainder of this year.
Stay tuned!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on September 28, 2007, 01:01:30 PM
Yeah
 
And let me be the first to ask.
 
IS IT DONE YET?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 28, 2007, 03:10:21 PM
LOL
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on September 29, 2007, 10:35:07 AM
Looking at the donor car , I'll say it again. Mopar rust is the worst
rust. At least the donor car gave you some good parts and saved you
some cash.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on September 29, 2007, 07:13:01 PM
i think sometimes we are all looking for a donor car. lol
well hope you find one.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 05, 2007, 08:55:57 PM
My pooter internet server is coming to fix the modem or router whatever.it conks out on me.
That got me off my butt and work on the car.
I cleaned up a section of the belly of the car to get ready for the tank.
I removed as much of the flash rust as possible.Epoxy primer was applied to bare metal and then semi gloss black paint.
Based on what I had seen on this car the whole belly is painted black from factory except the overspray on the sides from the rockers and 1/4 trunk extensions.I will try to reproduce this the best I can.
I could have gone nuts and detailed this area but nobody will see it once the tank is installed.
I also finished up the tail panel that is hidden behind the bumper.
Both are not not show quality but at least I know it is clean and rust free as well.

 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 05, 2007, 08:59:35 PM
I am gradually working my way to the front of the car in regards to the belly.Fuel line will be removed and replaced after the cleaning/painting.
The brake line is already installed but I was thinking about removing it for the belly scraping.
CBarge2007-10-06 02:00:30
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on October 05, 2007, 09:03:57 PM
nice to see some progress.keep up the good work man
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 05, 2007, 09:04:49 PM
Behind the scenes,the sending unit has been repaired.Cost? 40 bux for soldering and testing.IT WORKS!!
Nubers correct 383 26" rad is being repaired and recored locally.Cost? 325.00.OUCH! Still cheaper than a cooked 383...
The garage is a mess.Time to organize it again with all the parts I have laying about.
This weekend is the Canadian Thanksgiving long wekend.Plenty of work will get done on the car!
Stay tuned!
Thanks to all who have been following!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 06, 2007, 10:57:33 AM
We need to have another cleaning  party here
 
Mobby?  Mike?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on October 06, 2007, 01:30:37 PM
i didn't know you could have sending units fixed.
i do soldering myself i wonder if i could fix mine.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 06, 2007, 01:43:32 PM
Quote from: Foamy_302
i didn't know you could have sending units fixed.
Mine was leaking fuel around the feed tube right at the large round tab that fills the hole in the tank.It is a spot that does get soldered when built new.The solder went away from time and age.
It was resoldered and tested.Works.
I was just lucky,I guess.
I tried repairing the old sending unit prior to this this one.
It simply did not read.I took it apart and tried soldering the teenie tiny wires on the rheostat inside the unit.That attempt  failed and was tossed into the garbage can.
CBarge2007-10-06 18:44:16
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 07, 2007, 10:05:43 AM
Glad progress is going well on your BoaB, Can't wait till that C makes
it to Joisey!. Steve whenever you want to host this cleaning party I'll
be there and bring Mobby with me.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 07, 2007, 04:29:28 PM
Sunday..
I cleaned up some of the mess in the garage.I removed all the wiring from the parts car dash.It was amazing that car ran at all.Yeah,lots of globbed/burnt wires.The harness is junk.
I cleaned and undercoated the tank I got from Joisey's hotrodnwillie.
Now I am searching for the darn tank straps I hid away so I won't lose them.I hid them TOO well..(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 07, 2007, 04:43:57 PM
If you are trying to be correct, the tanks are supposed to be galvanized.  So Paint it silver
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 07, 2007, 04:48:45 PM
You're not done yet???
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 07, 2007, 05:06:18 PM
That is rubberized undercoating.I removed what was left of the factory undercoating.
She is going to be a cruiser.Not worried about how it looks underneath.I am not after a show trophy or a car show judge blessing.
I will try to emulate some factory schtuff.But some things have to be done to preserve the car due to our climate here.
Bottom line is I know it is clean and will not rust.
CBarge2007-10-07 22:07:20
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 07, 2007, 11:39:13 PM
LeaBurn, If your using rubberuszed undercoating does that mean that the
bottom of your car will have a thin layer of rubber on it to deflect
rust and other bad stuff that would eat away at the steel?, and how do
you go about applying that to rust effected areas?

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 08, 2007, 06:56:41 AM
Good question,Potatoe.
My rather long reply..
My answer is a lot of hard work.
I am cleaning the entire bottom of the car by removing all the factory undercoating.There is flash or surface rust trapped behind it that must be treated.Some of the factory undercoating is loose and moisture got trapped behind it .It must be cleaned to  bare metal  or until all the rust is gone.
I use a propane torch,scraper,coarse wire brush on my angle grinder,and the required safety gear-face shield,mask,gloves.
 I am doing it lying on my back underneath the car.
 
All of the rusted out areas of the floor and trunk have already be repaired.
I am about 1/4 the way to the front of the car.Still a ways to go.
It is hard work with all the dimples in the floor pan,all the nooks,crannies -anywhere moisture found a home from years of sitting outside.
Then epoxy primer will be applied to the bare metal.I will then emulate the factory overspray of body color,and copy where the undercoating was.
 
In the long run it will be worth it.
 
In short,removing all the undercoating and spraying epoxy primer will seal the floor pans from moisture.
The rubberized undercoating is added protection,noise reduction,and will look sorta "factory correct" since almost all cars sold in the "rust belt" were undercoated when new.
Thanks!
 
CBarge2007-10-08 12:04:56
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 08, 2007, 07:05:00 AM
Thats very interesting Leaburn, so the rubberized undercoating gets
sprayed over the epoxy. Sounds like all that hard work will help ensure
the car a long , second life. What is the name of the company that
makes the rubberized undercoating you are using?

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 08, 2007, 07:33:14 AM
I buy spray bomb rubberized undercoating.Not the cheap stuff either.
This is a $10 dollar can that has more rubber content compared to the el cheapo $4.00 can of road tar.
Made by a Canadian company,Dominion Sure Seal Ltd. of  Mississagua,Ontario.
In some areas of the car the epoxy will be painted over with body color,then undercoated to emulate a factory look.
Some areas of the floor pan from the factory was lucky to get any primer or paint

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 08, 2007, 10:37:13 AM
Thanks a lot Leaburn!, I have a feeling i might need some of that in the near future. Got to keep that rust away!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 08, 2007, 03:58:10 PM
Problem with that stuff is the gas washes it away if it spills or leaks.  Becomes Ugly in time.  But it is a good idea. . .
 
Sorry if I rained on your parade. . . .
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 08, 2007, 04:11:32 PM
Naw! Yer OK Steve! You did not rain on my parade.
I did actually had no silver paint!
Until today that is..
(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 08, 2007, 04:19:04 PM
Thanks,Potatoe.
I think when you find the right car your are gonna do just fine.
Anyhoo,back on topic,
While I was waiting the silver paint to dry,I bent up the vent lines for the tank.
The original lines worked but were crusty and dirty looking.
I tried to copy the originals the best I can.I even test fitted the larger one through the trunk to ensure a proper fit and length.
The real sharp bends I did using the handle of my bench vise.My pipe bender is an El crapo  dollar store version.Pretty close and yet will do just fine.

 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 08, 2007, 04:24:46 PM
I found the tank straps aong the stainless trim stashed away in the rear section of my garage.
They were heavily scabbed up .So I buffed them down to bare shiny metal and painted them.I also pulled the good filler neck from the 2-door's tank and painted it as well.
Once the tank was dry,I installed the filler neck gasket-also from the 2-door.Still in good shape-Heck it held 15 gallons inside the tank!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 08, 2007, 04:26:56 PM
Tomorrow I need to pick up the repaired sending unit,more undercoating,trunk spatter paint and black paint for the belly.
Cheers,everyone!
CBarge2007-10-08 21:27:21
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 09, 2007, 02:44:26 PM
Looks like your making excellent progress on the BoaB!, Hope your
Thanksgiving is going well too! Leaburn i dont remeber if you posted it
or not but what kind of engine is going in your BoaB?

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 09, 2007, 03:02:13 PM
The original 383 is still in the car and will be used.
Despite the car being apart,the engine still runs albeit needing a serious tune-up.
Funny now that I think of it,I was going to scrap the car.But after I got her running she talked to me..
Here is a vid from last summer..
CBarge2007-10-09 20:09:00
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 09, 2007, 03:13:12 PM
Quote from: CBarge
 
 
Chitty Chitty Chitty Chitty BANG BANG
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 10, 2007, 10:25:32 AM
That 383 sounds mean, definatley needs tuning. But not bad for having orginial plugs wires and points, takes a lickin...

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Johnny D. on October 10, 2007, 04:32:56 PM
Keeps on ticking...

I am the testimate that Ma built strong engines...
when you drive your 440 with three cyls out for a week in a 5000 lb car (while you get the coin to fix it). That is a strong unit...

Lea you'll have er' hummin like the 440 in no time!


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 12, 2007, 01:40:37 PM
Not to mention when the 74 ran for a greater portion of a afternoon
with no oil , and when we meaning I put oil in the engine steam came
from the block, how about that for tough fellas.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 17, 2007, 03:00:07 PM
Not much goin' on .Hoping to get back on it this weekend.
.Just keeping my eyes peeled for more parts.
I scored this part after a two year search.Such a common piece,but all of the ones I found were broken or wrong color.It is plastic and goes between the right side doors in a 4 door hardtop
This one is black and perfect! E-pay of course.
Cost? 40 bux..Cheap for an NOS part IMHO..

 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 17, 2007, 03:04:37 PM
Damned kids..I really need this to replace the one that was smashed off a generation ago..Dont bid against me,please I beg..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1968-69-70-71-72-73-CHRYSLER-DODGE-NOS-ANTENNA-MAST_W0QQitemZ220160580996QQihZ012QQcategoryZ33639QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1968-69-70-71-72-73-CHRYSLER-DODGE-NOS-ANTENNA-MAST_W0QQitemZ220160580996QQihZ012QQcategoryZ33639QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 17, 2007, 03:06:33 PM
I was hoping on getting this but it is waaay out of my budget.Some thing I cannot justify spending that much for such a tiny part.
I have an old one that will do..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-MOPAR-1967-CHRYSLER-ANTENNA-BEZEL-NUT_W0QQitemZ190162491863QQihZ009QQcategoryZ6763QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-MOPAR-1967-CHRYSLER-ANTENNA-BEZEL-NUT_W0QQitemZ190162491863QQihZ009QQcategoryZ6763QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on October 17, 2007, 03:09:40 PM
wow those are some pricey parts. is that the direct replacement antenna??? cuz Susan doesn't have the same one. hers has a big springy thing on it
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 17, 2007, 03:39:28 PM
The one I am bidding on is the correct one.
I would assume Susan's whip is aftermarket replacement.
I can get a cheap knock off as well,but when the opportunity arises I try to grab it..
Foamy,it is funny how people pick up on the "little" stuff. I noticed this at shows and cruise nights when my car got "dissected".
CBarge2007-10-17 20:40:20
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 17, 2007, 03:46:01 PM
And I almost bid against you just to break your chops. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
They're not "Damned Kids"  They're gold diggers
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on October 17, 2007, 03:52:12 PM
yea the little stuff seems to stick out.  lol it would really break your heart if you were out bid huh?? and yea i find alot of those little things as well. but when the little things are done things just look a whole lot better
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 17, 2007, 04:09:18 PM
The "Damned kids" are the one who ripped off the old antennae..
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 17, 2007, 04:12:51 PM
damned kids, being wreckless

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 20, 2007, 05:06:28 PM
Ray came into town today and we did some work on the car.
Ray welded up the pieces I fabricated for the tailpanel.Not pretty now but will be hard to detect after I am done detailing the trunk area

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 20, 2007, 05:08:46 PM
Yeah,there was once a decent size hole in here.Ray welded it up as well.In primer and new sealer applied..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 20, 2007, 05:10:47 PM
While Ray had the caulking gun out, he sealed up the right quarter panel. He tried to duplicate the factory ob as close as possible---messy!! LOL!!
It is now ready for me to finish priming,paint and undercoating...
CBarge2007-10-20 22:12:05
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 20, 2007, 05:15:55 PM
What did I do???
I was cleaning out the old sealer in the trunk.Most of it was either missing,already lifted ,or cracked up.From the rotted out rear window there was lots of water beating up on the old sealer.I found surface rust under most of it.I buffed it clean to get ready to re-do it.
It was all bare metal underneath--no paint-no primer! Make no wonder these cars rotted out in this area!!
Not a hard job,but might as well do it right..
CBarge2007-10-20 22:18:35
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on October 20, 2007, 05:19:49 PM
lookin nice. it seems to really be coming along.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 20, 2007, 05:21:30 PM
The belly is getting cleaned..
I managed to remove the old fuel line in one piece.I can now fabricate and copy a new one..

 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 20, 2007, 05:23:50 PM
My J bolts came in this week.Almost ready to hang the tank..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 20, 2007, 06:15:35 PM
I thought you said you'd be done today . . . Slacky (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
Gettin there.  Keep up the good work. 
 
Does Gerri help? *as Polaraco ducks a flying hammer* (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 20, 2007, 07:23:47 PM
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Gerri helps me turning out the lighs and pulling the plug when its time to go in the house...(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 21, 2007, 11:04:02 AM
Moving right along there Lea, good to see your making progress, good luck making a new fuel line, looks like a lot of fun.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 21, 2007, 05:35:52 PM
I like bending my own lines.It is MUCH cheaper than buying the repro lines ..They are made of the same steel,IMHO
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on October 21, 2007, 05:37:57 PM
it's always cheaper to do things yourself. thats the way i always chose
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 21, 2007, 05:42:26 PM
Even if you end up doing it twice!! (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on October 21, 2007, 05:49:45 PM
lol lets not get into doing things twice now. i had to tear that carb apart 3 times to get it running lol.
but hey doing it 5 times yourself is still cheaper that paying someone else
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 21, 2007, 06:16:11 PM
That depends on how much you spent on beer,smokes,or whatever you turn to when things don't go right!! LOL
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 21, 2007, 07:03:22 PM
Hey Lea what kinda pipe bender do you use to make your lines?

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 22, 2007, 02:10:56 AM
El cheapo Princess Auto "Made in China" jobbie..
It's not what you got-it's how you use it...(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 22, 2007, 09:29:03 AM
Hey whatever gets the job done.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 22, 2007, 11:47:44 AM
Is this where was say "Size doesn't matter"?
 
Actually mike, the lines I use you can shape in your hands.  Brake lines are so easy to do. . .
 
If you were copying a line, you tape one end together and just keep bending.  Every so often you tape again.  Use a coupler to join the next piece if needed.  NEVER use a compression fitting.  At tge end, you need to cut and flair as needed.
 
To do it really right, you should have a double flairing tool and tubing cutter
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 22, 2007, 12:05:35 PM
Alright , sounds simple enough except I am not really sure what a
double flairing tool is, maybe show me next time I'm up that way.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 22, 2007, 12:39:30 PM
It's also called an inverted flair.

To make an inverted flair it's a two step process.  Pretty easy to do, aftre you've done a few.

When you come up, I'll let you do one.  We're going to do that soon anyway. . .


BTW  Measure the Diameter of that fan for Hurst 1
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Herman on October 22, 2007, 11:47:34 PM
"flare" (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)



Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 23, 2007, 01:33:29 PM
[/QUOTE]
 
Pick Pick Pick
 
I'm in a hurry, as usual (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 23, 2007, 01:39:36 PM
Well I look foward to learning how to make a flare, somthing I've never done.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on October 23, 2007, 01:56:33 PM
it's honestly qutie easy once you've got the hang of it. kind of like riding a bike. but less painful to learn(sometimes)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 23, 2007, 05:59:17 PM
I'll be in good hands no worries.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 23, 2007, 05:59:47 PM
So getting back on topic Lea whats the newest piece of progress on the BoaB?

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 23, 2007, 06:20:13 PM
More dust collecting as of right now....Til the weekened...
CBarge2007-10-23 23:20:33
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 27, 2007, 05:32:04 PM
I was supposedly be in the garage doing things but I got a call my parts were in at Jack's in Clayton,NY.Just 45 minutes away across the border.
Despite the rain and gusty winds I am very happy .
I picked up my dual snorkel air cleaner.Correct for a 383 4 bbl C body car.Also I got my NOS center door pillar plastic trim piece to replace the broken original.SCORE!!!!!
CBarge2007-10-27 22:32:43
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 27, 2007, 05:34:42 PM
I could not wait to try it when I got home.
It looks awesome! With a glass bead blast,and new paint it will be eye candy when the hood gets opened...

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 27, 2007, 05:36:09 PM
It fits my New Yorker,but the pie tin does not..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 27, 2007, 05:38:21 PM
New Old Stock trim piece.Never used,but has some shelf wear and no box.
I was happy it was not broke from shipping.The seller did a good job packing it.
Note factory tag..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: azblackhemi on October 27, 2007, 05:40:30 PM
Where's the A/C compressor to fill the notch on the front of the air cleaner? Oh that's right you are in Canada not Arizona. You don't need A/C.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 27, 2007, 05:41:19 PM
TEST FIT!! LOL
I have heard of some NOS schtuff not being up to standards.I tried this piece and is a perfect fit.No warpage,all is good.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 27, 2007, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: azblackhemi
Where's the A/C compressor to fill the notch on the front of the air cleaner? Oh that's right you are in Canada not Arizona. You don't need A/C.
In Canuckville,we have WD-40
Windows Down at 40 MPH!!!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on October 27, 2007, 06:13:21 PM
Nice piece Lea!!! thats what I thought it was. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on October 27, 2007, 09:20:04 PM
Very nice air cleaner....I need one of those too....Snotty how much for yours???
 
And good score on the NOS interior piece....I remember looking at that one when it popped up on E-bay.   Glad someone from the board got it.
 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 28, 2007, 05:09:56 AM
Good Grief!
 
Now he's sleeping with the damned thing! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 29, 2007, 12:07:53 PM
One piece at a time.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on October 29, 2007, 03:19:10 PM
as long as he's sleeping with his parts and not mine i'm fine with it. whatever floats your boat huh??
BTW great job finding a good part
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 29, 2007, 03:27:29 PM
I'd rather sleep with the air-cleaner....(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) LOL!!
The blanket covers the BoaB's seats in the garage.At the spur of the moment it was a good place to take a pic,LOL
CBarge2007-10-29 19:27:54
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 29, 2007, 03:37:34 PM
Quote from: CBarge
 
.At the spur of the moment
 
I thought you were going to say somethig else.  Phew! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 29, 2007, 03:39:03 PM
LOL! Nobody's in the hot seat!
CBarge2007-10-29 19:53:13
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on October 29, 2007, 04:28:04 PM
WOW!!! Nice seats Lea!!! You lucky duck!!!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 29, 2007, 04:38:13 PM
Original seats no repairs needed,just need a good cleaning..
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on October 29, 2007, 04:49:43 PM
WOW. geez lea you get all the good luck. share it sometime will ya??
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on October 29, 2007, 04:51:15 PM
Elbow grease will do just fine on them puppies!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on November 10, 2007, 10:11:41 AM
Whats news on the BoaB Lea?

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 10, 2007, 10:52:52 AM
I was working on it today.It was a balmy 5 * Celcius in the garage.
Ray finished up welding the tail panel after I fabricated some pieces.he also fine ttuned the window channel.
Both are now finished.
When we get a warm day I will be in there.
At work we are in our snow tire change-over season.Busier than ever before.
Needless to say,I am exhausted after a busy day.Weeks go by and the garage door does not even get opened.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on November 10, 2007, 02:28:09 PM
Then the car is safe
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 10, 2007, 03:14:54 PM
Last year's utility bill pretty much broke me.
I am not going to run my heater this winter.
Now that the NY'er is stored away I am more relaxed and not worried about shuffling cars around.
I had set a goal of having the BoaB on its wheels by end of December.Not that I do not have to move the BoaB,she is going to remain on stands for the winter.
Maybe I can get in there on a warm day and get something done..
There is money in the budget for the remainder of this year to spend on the car.
I have to bail out the 26" rad I had recored,that's it.
Unless a smokin deal or part comes up I will try to grab it.
The dual snorkel air cleaner was an unplanned purchase but I am very happy with it.$80.00 WITH shipping!! Typically a 125.00+ E pay item.
When something big happens I will update.
CBarge2007-11-10 20:19:46
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on November 11, 2007, 09:01:33 AM
Sounds good Lea.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on November 18, 2007, 02:56:12 PM
Is it done YET?????
 
I could have built the Titanic out of Lego blocks and Velveeta three times by now.  aaaaaand stuff!
 
Put on yer parka and mukluks Lea and get to werk!  (and please don't ask about my new project...  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif))
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on November 18, 2007, 04:10:07 PM
Quote from: MoparMatt
  
 
We were gettin to that. . .   So since you brought it up. . . . .
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on November 19, 2007, 01:49:52 PM
It's not even home yet, heh heh heh!
 
Sorry folks, it aint' a C but it's at least a Mopar and for $300 I couldn't say no...
 
Now back to Cbarge's regularly scheduled hosiervision...  I wish to not hijack his thread, yet...
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on November 19, 2007, 04:25:58 PM
well Lea how goes the progress?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 19, 2007, 04:48:26 PM
Like molasses when it cooolld..slow..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on November 19, 2007, 09:49:56 PM
Molson takes over in the winter.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on November 20, 2007, 04:22:30 AM
lol at least you have a garage Lea. i have a gravel parking spot next to the house lol
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on November 20, 2007, 01:42:02 PM
BUT!...  Lea's garage is toooooo cooooooold.....  Mmmmmmmmm...
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/pat.jpg)
 
Just drink yer beer Lea...  save one (12-pack for me please....)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on November 20, 2007, 02:31:14 PM
Hahahahaha, Matt thats funny stuff, Lea saving beer I mean.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on November 25, 2007, 12:34:48 PM
Yeah!  I thought I could put away the suds...
 
Here's proof of what Lea can consume:
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/hosiers.jpg)
 
Look at all those emptys...  NOW!...  I'll bet you can't guess which one IS Lea...
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on November 25, 2007, 12:40:40 PM
Thats a funny picture. But we are going to get in trouble, so lets get
back on topic. Is the BoaB on hold till warmer weather Lea?

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on November 25, 2007, 12:57:15 PM
i believe he said it was but i could be wrong.
get any more parts Lea?


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 25, 2007, 02:36:17 PM
The work is on hold til spring.
But the thrill of the hunt for parts is ongoing.
I bailed out my radiator which has been ready for weeks.I just happened to have enough money to pick it up.$320.00 OUCH!
But it is worth it.Factory tanks were saved and all the numbers are there 2785 942 which I believe is correct for a C body 383 4 barrel car.
This by far has been the largest amount spent on one part to date.
However,I prefer maximum cooling to keep the 383 from overheating .Global warming and traffic is much heavier since the last time the Boab had seen an intersection - which was in 1974.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 25, 2007, 02:38:21 PM
Nice..Pats Rad did an excellent job.The top tank was bent badly.And the bottom tank was dented.It was a core I got for FREE!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on November 25, 2007, 03:01:54 PM
I still haven't heard it running
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on November 25, 2007, 03:57:42 PM
That radiator looks nice though!
 
The rest of the car...  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on November 25, 2007, 04:28:03 PM
Good Stuff Lea, glad to see your getting the parts in order.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 25, 2007, 04:36:34 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
I still haven't heard it running
Yes,you have..
And I sent you this last Christmas..Give this some time to load up...
CBarge2007-11-25 21:39:12
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on November 26, 2007, 05:16:38 AM
actually Lea? http://www.mymopar.com (http://www.mymopar.com)
says that this rad is for Hi-Altitudes and  A/c. but otherwise completely correct
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 08, 2007, 04:33:15 PM
Foamy you are right.Good score on finding that link!! Thanks! 
It is for 1967 C body.Right application  but just a year off.
No biggie.
I don't think the ABE guys would suspect a non -matching gumbers C body anyways.....(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif).
Yet it will work as I  would expect and still look factory correct to the general public.I have the correct  rad core support,fan shroud and clutch fan so nobody would notice if the car was modified.(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on December 08, 2007, 04:37:20 PM
good point there Lea. besides i hardly think your trying to make a Concours restoration either. little things like a year off count there

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 08, 2007, 04:38:21 PM
Allow me to bore you with my latest score.
Just a few pics--nothing more..
I like the thrill of the hunt and not parts hunting would not last.
So,here is my latest catch,an NOS C body AM radio 3 tier antennae mast...

CBarge2007-12-08 21:39:23
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on December 08, 2007, 04:39:46 PM
was that the one you got off of Epay?? a little bit ago???

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on December 08, 2007, 04:56:26 PM
Nice score Lea!  I remember a time when I had to cobble a radio mast on my '68 Polara with partz from a 1970!
 
It werked though(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
 
HOWEVER...
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/maytag.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 09, 2007, 11:03:42 AM
I am still missing some hardware to mount the antennae but I will get it when the time comes.I did have a straight single whip from a Dippy but in my heart,I know it would not be factory correct.It is on the outside of the car for all to see,so I wanted the right one..
Perfect fit,and my radio works great,too!!
Yes,James it is the one I won.
Jack Forkey had a TRW replacement but it had an arrow head  not the round ball tip.Different length too.
Every time I get another part I get excited.I know the car will come together and look great. 
I am buying NOS whenever I can.Only stuff I really need though and within reasonable budget costs.
Anything that is most obvious to the public has to be in top shape and in good condition
I have a lead on a front bumper still in wrapping...Half the cost of rechroming one of my cores..
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBTOX:IT&item=230170219416&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBTOX:IT&item=230170219416&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on December 09, 2007, 04:42:22 PM
Lea I saw those on e-bay as well....Can't go wrong for that price.
 
Mine are too nice to replace right now and new bumpers are not in my budget for the next few years.
 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on December 12, 2007, 06:59:13 PM
what all parts do you have left to "Aquire"??? just asking.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 12, 2007, 07:43:59 PM
Hhmmm,like a Christmas wish list...
I need..er would like..er want...
New headliner,vinyl top,better chromed bumpers,and dual exhaust and new carpet set and new headlights and trunk mat and ...and ..and..

 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 15, 2007, 06:00:24 PM
http://www.moparfins.com/pic/lea.avi (http://www.moparfins.com/pic/lea.avi)
CBarge2007-12-15 23:05:08
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on December 16, 2007, 06:59:31 AM
Found a way to heat the Garage Huh?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 16, 2007, 07:42:10 AM
Nope.Steve if you can remember,I sent it to you same time last year.
I was reviewing my thread and stumbled across it again.
I do not have it stored on my pooter-it was one of the things that was lost when this crate tok a dump this summer.
I am glad I found it and be able to share it with everyone.
(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on December 16, 2007, 08:14:14 AM
Eyes done good then Huh?
 
You missed the point!  Sheeesh
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on December 16, 2007, 03:15:44 PM
what is it exactally?????. i can't veiw it.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 16, 2007, 06:32:10 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Eyes done good then Huh?
 
I get it...use the car to heat the garage!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 27, 2008, 05:14:21 PM
I had to dig up this thread from the Crypt....
Here's a part that is well within the BoaB's budget:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=130191898496&_trksid=p3984.cWON.m313.lVI (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=130191898496&_trksid=p3984.cWON.m313.lVI)
$61.00 that is a steal for an original HP manifold!! The left side to boot--which is harder to find! Mosey had said he paid almost 2 Benjamins for his HP..Now the quest for the right side is on..
And..
I scored this NOS RF/ fender trim piece as well.Very hard to find in good shape.Most I had seen were broken from hitting schtuff....
A bit more than what I wanted to pay-but you cant beat NOS for trim.
CBarge2008-01-27 22:15:13
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on January 27, 2008, 06:52:25 PM
We must search e-bay for the same stuff....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
 
I saw both of those and thought about bidding on the fender trim, but mine are mint so I passed.
 
Good score on both!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 28, 2008, 01:56:27 AM
Both '68's of mine the r/f trim piece is busted,and the spares are badly pitted.
Some NOS schtuff is a once in lifetime chance,IMHO.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Robert F. Brogle on February 10, 2008, 02:45:51 PM
Ah Lea, the stuff I let you win! LOL!
 
I have 1 each of the front fender trims but since I figured you likely needed them for the BOAB, I let it roll. Good scores! 
 
What other trinkets are you looking for that I may have here? Email me.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 10, 2008, 03:49:06 PM
Thanks Rob! I forgot that you had a stash! LOL!
I will keep you in mind when I am stumped..
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 10, 2008, 07:38:04 PM
Another freebie!!
I now scored the right side HP manifold!!
Although not "correct" for a 68,it will work on the Boab.It still looks the same ..From a 73 440 Fury cop car in a yard in Brownsville ,NY
The flange is clocked at an angle but I am getting a new exhaust system eventually.
Gallahad the friend I am helping sell the '70 300 had it sitting in his barn for years.He was never planning on using it so...
CBarge2008-02-11 00:45:46
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 10, 2008, 07:40:17 PM
When the lefty shows up,I will get both blasted and planed.Then they will get coated .
When I get to that stage in the resto,they will go on with a new TTi system.
It will look factory to the general public.I am not really concerned if it is not "numbers matching"--as long as it fits,works and is pleasing to the eye I am happy..
For now,parts keep coming...
CBarge2008-02-11 00:44:05
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on February 11, 2008, 08:19:17 AM

And the Parts keep comming in, Spring can't come soon enough Lea!, good score on your parts.
Potatoe2008-02-11 13:19:31
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on February 11, 2008, 09:01:15 AM
nice score Lea. it's ok i can't wait until spring either.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 11, 2008, 10:25:59 AM
I want it
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 11, 2008, 03:01:27 PM
Steve,if I ever come across the "correct" 2806900 HP,I will give it to you.
I did locate three left side C body HP manifolds '67-'69
for a really good price..Want one? or all? PM me.
But no right ones.They were raped by the B body resto guys.
CBarge2008-02-11 20:05:14
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 14, 2008, 05:39:40 AM
We have a lot of snow acumilated over the past three weeks and more forcasted this weekend coming.
I am just waiting for spring so I can get back to work on the BoaB..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 14, 2008, 09:36:48 AM
You call that ALLOT of snow?  I envisioned feet!
 
Get out there and shovel Mary.  Stop whining. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on February 14, 2008, 10:40:39 AM
aaaaaaand... you call your homeland "THE GREAT WHITE NORTH"!
 
I have that much snow here for pity's sake...  excuses excuses (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 17, 2008, 06:57:25 PM
Found this gem of a score.NEW bumper for the BoaB!! SCORE!!
I was not looking for another bumper since I have three rear cores.
Buuuuuttt..It is a bolt on deal!! For 350.00 it is a deal compared to a quote of $800.00 to get my best core re-chromed.
A deal to me--but not to Gerri!! This part blows the budget out of whack--for a while anyways. My wallet needs a vacation and go on a diet after this purchase!! LOL!!
I took the plunge and dug a hole for myself.
Now Gerri wants to see results from the shower of parts--"That car better look as good as you say it will be with all the money you spent!"
The seller lives just a couple hours away from my sister's house.He will dropp the bumper there.I am hoping to go down during spring break to pic it up.
Or Sis will put it on the bus!! They will take it!! She has checked into it already,Just in case!!
Pics next page..
 
CBarge2008-02-17 23:58:56
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 17, 2008, 06:57:34 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/other%20stuff/bumper001.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 18, 2008, 09:31:06 AM
I skipped across the border to pick up the HP manifold.
Good day for travelling on this President's Day (Family Day here in Ontario).
There was a wait getting into the U.S. but cross back into Canuckville noooo problem with parts in the trunk!! 
The crossing guard asked what I was restoring,asked the cost/value of parts (I said 20 bux) gave me a greasy look and said "Final answer?"
Yes"
"Have a nice day!!"
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on February 18, 2008, 10:02:27 AM
The Bumper is Beautiful, really good score, you can't beat that with a stick!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 18, 2008, 10:03:44 AM
Thanks to Steve's Musclecars & Parts 479--632-0011
3107 N.Mountain Grove Road
Alma AR 72921
They went the extra mile packing the HP really,really well..
That sucker was NOT going to move during its travels!
CBarge2008-02-18 15:16:24
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 18, 2008, 10:09:46 AM
Here is my pair of HP's.If you do not include the 20 I spent in gas,total for the lot is $81.00.
I am going to get them cleaned and planed.That will cost about 40 bux at our machine shop that is associated with my work.
Still way below cost of what others had paid in the past .

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on February 18, 2008, 11:16:33 AM
Nice logs Lea (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)  GREAT score!  The bumper looks fantastic too!
 
Amherst eh?  Which bridge, Peace or Rainbow?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 18, 2008, 01:59:25 PM
Quote from: MoparMatt
Nice logs Lea (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)  GREAT score!  The bumper looks fantastic too!
 
Not sure.That is marked on the bumper in the pics.Maybe where the part got shipped to New Brunswick-dunno.I have yet to see it in person.It is still 14 hours drive away.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 18, 2008, 02:01:46 PM
What I saved on the logs will be blown on the proper hardware to mount them.DANG!
Year One sells the kit for under 100 bux..OUCH!
But that is a long way down the road.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on February 18, 2008, 02:33:45 PM
Nice Lea!!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on February 18, 2008, 03:02:21 PM
Nice piece of chrome Lea!  But 100 smackers for hardware to mount mainifolds??? you gotta be kiddin... yikes!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 18, 2008, 04:03:28 PM
Firedome...
http://www.yearone.com/serverfiles/fbshopmain2.asp?cat=A (http://www.yearone.com/serverfiles/fbshopmain2.asp?cat=A)
Yup.93.00 U.S. plus shipping
Type in part # HW672
CBarge2008-02-18 21:09:53
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on February 18, 2008, 04:11:11 PM
It's NO wonder your in the dawghaus Lea!  Gerri put you there...  If your hungry I'll send a spare plate of scrapple...  Shemp wont mind a single bit (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 18, 2008, 04:16:38 PM
You feedin my pal Dog Food?
 
*Yes. . .I know what Scrapple is*
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on February 18, 2008, 04:20:33 PM
It's only feeding, unless he eats it unassisted...
 
MoparMatt2008-02-18 21:22:24
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 18, 2008, 05:18:54 PM
Luckily,my cats do not eat table scraps..If they did they would starve to death-there usually are NONE.
So Shemp would snarl if I ate it all and nothing left for him!!!(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Robert F. Brogle on February 20, 2008, 03:05:35 PM
Lea,
 
Check on ebay, I think Mega Parts has them for $50-$55 a set.  I bought 2 sets last year and used one, now the other is to be used shortly.  I think their ebay name is dodgeboy.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 20, 2008, 03:19:41 PM
Thanks,Rob!!
Got it!!:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160153749366&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160153749366&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on February 21, 2008, 03:08:13 PM
Oh...  I almost forgot about the contraband, Lea!
 
This guy was here to talk to me today,  something aboot migrating Joisey C-partz...
 
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/mounty2.jpg)
 
Someone HORKED the dimmer switch from his patrol moose...  he wasn't too happy.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jimmy on February 21, 2008, 03:22:34 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Thanks,Rob!!
Got it!!:
 
   Watch that kit lea, not enough nuts. You need 2 deep ones and 3 shallow. that kit only has 3 sleeve nuts in total. The other 7 are held on with regular nutz. That kit is for da B body with the different l/s manifold I believe...
  
jimmyray682008-02-21 20:26:01
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on February 21, 2008, 03:28:53 PM
Thanks for the link Lea - wow, who'd a thunk those prices...!!



SCRAPPLE - Food Of the Gods!! I eat it at least twice a week! Yummm,
I'se from Bawlamer, home of the oyster (erster) , crabcakes, 
& RAPA Scrapple!  (actually its from Delaware).



Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 21, 2008, 03:39:28 PM
To wash down the scrapple how about some ....Snapple??
http://www.snapple.com/#page=home||Id^home^^Type^internal^^Action^gotoEnd (http://www.snapple.com/#page=home||IdhomeTypeinternalActiongotoEnd)^^
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 21, 2008, 04:25:00 PM
They used to say Pizza and Pepsi
 
But Scrapple and Snapple?  Yuk! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on February 22, 2008, 04:28:01 AM
Crispy Fried Scrapple, 1/4" thick, on toast with lots 'o real butter, and MILK!!! Then the blaaaaaack coffee, coffee, coffee!



Lea - isn't there some way you could make up an manifold attachment hardware set? I have some very clever machinst friends...









Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jimmy on February 22, 2008, 05:02:19 AM
   All the sleeve nuts for the VIP and the 300 were made by my world class machinist next door neighbor. I started with 5/8 x 7 bolts that I liberated from work. He cut off the threaded end, drilled out and tapped to 3/8 to capture the stud and then milled the 7/8 head to 9/16 and voila, free sleeve nuts...
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 28, 2008, 02:45:13 PM
I got the 301 intake and HP logs back from the machine shop.
The intake was hot-tanked and sandblasted.It is now free of years of carbon build up.I will paoint it when it gets warmer to do so.In the meantime it is in primer to keep it from flashing.
The HP logs came out absolutely beautiful.I had them planed for a good seal.They also were checked for cracks and are mint!!
I can picture the eye candy when the BoaB is done when I pop open the hood..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jimmy on February 28, 2008, 05:11:35 PM
   Those H/P are beautiful!!! So you got em planed for? I guess you are going for the factory metal on metal seal, nothing wrong with a set of fel-pro's squat between em and the heads for trouble free good measure. If you silicone the manifold to the turkey tin i'm gonna come up there and do way wit ya! You DO know what gasoline does to silicone don't ya???                                                                                                                                                            
 
   When I got the 300 I drained 8qts of "fluid" from the base on the first oil change. Tinkered with the carb for a few days and gave up on it, thought it was a total loss. After a couple of trips to the store with empties and I decided to yank the intake and investigate and low and behold, blue silicone all around the lifter bores from, you guessed it, the intake! $13 later (gasket on each side of the tin as recommended) you could balance a cigarette on the valve cover... 
 
   Is it done yet?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on March 01, 2008, 01:04:53 PM
Sweeeet lookin' logs Lea!  Yer going to have to change the fifth vin character to the letter H by the time she's finished!
 
That is, unless these guys find yer contraband stash FIRST!  Look out the window...
 
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/busted.jpg)
[color=#ff0000 size=1](Does anyone know what the standard issue sidearm is for the RCMP?  That holster looks to be made to fit a Colt .45 ACP.  Just curious...)[/color]
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 01, 2008, 02:45:00 PM
Jimmyray,I planed the logs "just in case".Took out the guessing about not knowing their history.I had warped logs burn out gaskets in the past.Not going to take any chances,and will have gaskets on hand.
I am very well aware about the turkey pan.I made sure about that when I rebuilt my 440 in the NY'er.Familiar territory,my friend.
Matt,She will stay a G.
H equipped ,but will stand true to her roots.
I am having fun with car.How many--or when was the last time you seen an H equipped 4 door??
I simply love the look of the dual snorkel and HP logs when you open  the hood.It is a childhood dream of mine that brings me back to Aunt Theresa's 300.
Like the parts hog I am,I will keep all the original parts and use them for door stops,wheel chocks,and oversize paper weights..LOL (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 06, 2008, 02:39:07 PM
The NOS parts I won on E-pray finally arrived after a lenghty tour of the U.S. and Customs office.These pieces attach to the end of the front fenders sorta like eyebrows. The script was never installed-same as the trim pieces.They are still in the Chrysler factory wrapping!! How cool is that?
I am very pleased with the condition and quality of the parts.
Thanks to Mat from NOS Only
All I have to do is make the rest of the car match!!!! LOL
http://stores.ebay.com/NOS-ONLY_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfclZ3QQfsubZQ2d33QQftidZ2QQtZkm (http://stores.ebay.com/NOS-ONLY_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfclZ3QQfsubZQ2d33QQftidZ2QQtZkm)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 06, 2008, 02:40:08 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_3601.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on March 13, 2008, 10:31:54 AM
them look sweet Lea. great find
 
 
 
IS IT DONE YET??? LOL
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on March 13, 2008, 05:01:01 PM
Quote from: CBarge
 
All I have to do is make the rest of the car match!!!! LOL
 
Yeah. . .All that zero mileage rust you're making will blend right in.
 
Is it done yet?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on March 13, 2008, 06:13:04 PM
Lea, I think you should change the name to BosB,Barge on Steve's Budget!! With all the NOS schtuff you've been scoring and the slightly used bumper!! I know it ain't on MY budget!!! I'm gonna start asking YOU for loans insteada Steve!!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 06, 2008, 06:57:10 PM
Spring is here!! FINALLY!!
I had a great weekend touring around getting more parts.
I got lots of odds and ends that has been on the back of my mind.
Now all my trim is complete--even when I count the schtuff I bought from Chris that is coming from Arizona via Steve's 300 that is being shipped.
I did my annual pilgrimage to National Moparts and cased his yard-LOL!!
I scored some cherry potmetal off a Southern '68 300 I desperately needed.
Ordered my new headliner.
Bought new rad cap,spring hose clamp kit,gas tank grommet,and the anti wobble power steering bracket.
Also got a sock for the sending unit I got last year in Joisey.
Bought all the detail stickers needed under the hood
I scabbed a 383 4bbl fuel line and complete carb/trans kickdown linkage.All for 340.00 CDN
But that was only Saturday...
Sunday I went to Jack  Forkey's for get new repro outside door handles,C body HP logs--again! and a replacement cop wheel for the Dippy All for 240.00 US
This week after work it is time to clean and organize the garage
Work will start soon!
CBarge2008-04-07 00:22:13
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 06, 2008, 07:04:55 PM
I also scored another right rear door for $50.00 that is in excellent shape and still wearing its factory paint--coincidently is ....MM1 Turbine Bronze! Less prep work,but I will have to swap out the NY window glass and trim.
The green door I started to strip and found a thick layer of bondo hiding some serious damage.I originally intended to use it but it is now considered for parts only.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 06, 2008, 07:16:30 PM
Nigel mentioned to me that he is following the thread and also commented that this project  is inspiring.he knows I am on a tight budget and he did treat me well during my Mopar mecca.
 
I had my heart set on the rear NOS door but turned out to be the other right side door.He says that being from the Rock I got my lefts and rights  mixed up! LOL!
Thanks Nigel! LOL
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 06, 2008, 07:23:10 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_IMG_3620.jpg) (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_3620.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on April 06, 2008, 08:03:59 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Nigel mentioned to me that he is following the thread and also commented that this project  is inspiring.he knows I am on a tight budget and he did treat me well during my Mopar mecca.
 
I had my heart set on the rear NOS door but turned out to be the other right side door.He says that being from the Rock I got my lefts and rights  mixed up! LOL!
 
Let's put a brick in your right hand and let you carry it aroound. . . .
 
NIGEL!!!. . . Keep him straight for me will ya?  I don't wanna have to kick his but when he comes down here (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
Just remember, I'm working on VOAB too
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on April 14, 2008, 01:21:05 PM
Gotta love the New parts haul...good job!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on April 14, 2008, 04:27:59 PM
Eat your heart out Weenburn
 
http://www.moparfins.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=259&PID=13352#13352 (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=259&PID=13352#13352)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 14, 2008, 05:37:29 PM
Bleh,I have the NY'er out now and took her for a spin.
I have been in the garage the past couple days after work.
I have organized all the new/NOS parts I had colloected over winter,boxed,marked and put away from harm's way.
I started to clean up the mess in there as well.
 
Very soon work will commence.....
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on April 20, 2008, 12:57:20 PM
GO, LEA, GO!!!   this is THE year, right?!  On the road again...
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on April 20, 2008, 01:50:30 PM
It AINT DONE YET??????
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

It's an inside joke for you new members.  For years now I have been saying "Is it Done YET?"
 
POLARACO2008-04-20 23:06:40
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on April 20, 2008, 03:12:12 PM
Man, I can't even do a wax job in less than 6 months!!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on April 20, 2008, 04:44:27 PM
Sounds like all you need now is time to put all this schtuff together
and get the BoaB rolling. Kudos to you Lea, can't wait till its done.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 20, 2008, 06:24:45 PM
...Some assembly required...
I cant wait ti get it done...Sheesh!
I must admit it is hard to get back into it after not working on it all winter..
I have been in the shop tinkering and the real work should commence vewwy soon..
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 26, 2008, 07:30:59 PM
Today I opend the garage doors and hunkered down cleaning up the aftermath of what looked like Heroshima in there.I could hardly walk in there with all the parts strewn all over the place. The car was a resting place for parts as well.
But after a few hours--and beers---the floor is nice and clean,parts put away,all the purdy schtuff in boxes are marked and properly stored.I cleared off the car so we could work on it,too.
After supper,I gathered up all my tools that were spread from here to kingdom come.I re-organized my tool box so I can at least find a wrench when I need one.
Tomorrow Ray will be here.
We are going to review what we need to finish from last year and set up a plan for this year.
I am hoping to really crack on it hard this year.With all the parts I had collected-and need to pick up-all we need to do is get to work.
Cheers!!
CBarge2008-04-27 00:32:41
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: azblackhemi on April 26, 2008, 08:03:40 PM
Sounds like tommorrow is opening day! A new season. Hopefully at the end of the season you'll win the World Series and have the BOAB finished. I appologize for the corny baseball metaphor but good luck on it Lea and if nothing else have a blast working on it.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: duane hussey on April 27, 2008, 07:50:14 AM
Ater reading the last couple of entries I don't feel too bad  about the fact that the 68 I bought has been sitting for toooo long
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on April 27, 2008, 12:07:40 PM
I dunno what his problem is. . . . I don't have a garage but I managed to spend some time on VOAB over the winter.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 27, 2008, 04:35:40 PM
I spent a whole day on the car.
Ray showed up around 10:30 AM and left about 3.I kept at it upuntil an hour ago.
Ray did a little bit of welding touching up a few spots that were overlooked. 
I finished up grinding down the trunk floor pan to get it ready to paint.
I then crawled underneath and picked up where I left off cleaning the underbelly of the beast.
We took a break and made a list that we must stick to.
Priority is to get the undercarriage finished while it is still up in the air.
1.Grind floor patched from underneath.Clean 'em up so they will not be as noticeable.
2.Chaulk seams in panels replaced.
3.soft-wire brush underbelly clean.
We agreed to leave the good undercoating alone.Just remove the loose flaky schtuff.
4.Any bare metal on the belly will get Epoxied.
5.Paint the outer edges of the belly body color
6.Undercoat the belly and inner wheel wells.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 27, 2008, 04:38:49 PM
Today I stopped afte #3 on our list.
I got as far as the door pillars when I was underneath the car.
Looks good.I did start from the rear where I left off last year.
Tomorrow I will continue removing the flaky undercoating.
I am hoping to get as far as the firewall.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on April 28, 2008, 03:41:05 AM
Are you scraping cold with a putty knife or using a heat gun to soften
the tar?  On mine I'm debating removing it all or just the loose
stuff... the perfectionist keeps saying "take it all off!"!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 28, 2008, 05:04:23 AM
I thought about that too.
I did remove all of it in the quarter panel extensions and wheel wells to check for any rust. 
The floor pans have been taken care of and most of the factory undercoating is in good shape.So,no need to remove all of it from there.Just freshen it up with new undercoating.
It is a lot of hard work-especially lying on your back.
I am using a coarse wire brush attachment on my air powered drill,angle die grinder with coarse buff pads,putty knife,small bal peen hammer,screwdriver and propane torch.
I wear a face mask,safety glasses,an old hat and old clothes.
Do what is needed and still have that "looks good" result
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on April 28, 2008, 06:23:13 AM
I found a heat gun on HI softens it up quick and then you can scrape it clean in one pass with the putty knife, in the areas that are pretty flat, at least for the tar/sound-deadener inside the trunk...Not the funnest work in the world that's for sure.  I'm afraid of any tar covering up rust I don't see coming back to haunt me...
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 03, 2008, 07:54:34 PM
Quote from: firedome
. I'm afraid of any tar covering up rust I don't see coming back to haunt me...
I agree.
One of the main reasons why I am stripping off as much as possible.There is rust under it after 40 years.I am prepping it and then it will be sealed off so no more rust while I own the car.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 03, 2008, 07:58:52 PM
From tonight.
I spent a few hours cleaning up the fllor pan--one area at a time.
Note where factory body color shows where the undercoating hels and rust where the undercoating fell off or was dried out and flaky.
I noticed that the hump had NO paint-just hard surface rust and the undercoating was sprayed with the drivetrain and lines already installed in the car.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 03, 2008, 08:05:05 PM
When I needed to be in an upright position,I took a break and practiced spraying trunk spatter.Not perfect,but another coat would not hurt.
Though not finished,I ran out of spatter paint.
Spot not painted is where I sat in the trunk..LOL
Tail panel looks good.You can hardly see the repairs we did to it.That makes me happy.
I used Plasti-cote #501 black/grey spatter over a semi-gloss black rust paint

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Tom Atkinson on May 04, 2008, 02:36:34 AM
This is cool cbarge.  Looks like a lot of fun.   On the air cleaner with double snorkle did all 383's have that? 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on May 04, 2008, 04:37:14 AM
You missed a spot
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on May 04, 2008, 04:59:20 AM
Looks great with that spatter done!  - do they make one in a
lighter grey color? Some that I've seen were pretty flat, with little
to no shine, I don't know what's kosher for a late '50s FL. 

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on May 04, 2008, 05:58:59 AM
You sat IN the trunk to paint it...  can you say
 
FUMES
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Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on May 04, 2008, 08:05:00 AM
Quote from: CBarge
 
Half a job. .[/b] .
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on May 04, 2008, 08:37:41 AM

Don't worry....the matt will cover it

Matt! get in there!

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Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on May 04, 2008, 03:26:28 PM
The last time I laid in a C-body trunk I was looking for leaks while dad sprayed the garden hose!  At least Lea would probably dump beer over the seams (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)  RIGHT????  Lea???  you there buddy??  It's dark in here and I'm thirsty...  LEA!!!!  HELP! (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 04, 2008, 03:54:14 PM
Huh? wha? Matt? Wassupp? LOL
Guys,I run my large fan running and the garage door open whenever I paint.I wear a mask-besides I amy be loopy from a few beers.
The trunk is not finished,Polaraco.I ran out of supplies and Canadian Tire is not open at 1 AM (except the gas bar).I said I was practising!! It will be rdone properly in one shot-trust me.
The spatter does seem a little dark.It should lighten up after a few coats.
I tried spraying it directly over grey primer and it was TOO light.Hence using black paint under the spatter to bring out the grey speckles.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 04, 2008, 04:04:04 PM
The spatter goes on last anyways.
When I prepped the trunk,I noticed that tha speckle was on top of the seam sealer.The seam sealer was on a coat of paint.
So,after giving the entire trunk  two coats of black paint I sealed the gaps.
(quick recap:Last fall I removed the sealer in the trunk area where water sat for years.I cleaned  up & removed any surface rust in the seams.)
From the factory,a brush was used to slather on the goopy schtuff.
I emulated the effect by using Mono chaulking ,a spreader and an old snow brush.I applied the MNono,then spread it evenly,and then gave it a light brushing to look like factory!!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 04, 2008, 04:05:33 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_3652.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 04, 2008, 04:11:45 PM
I have these two areas cleaned up the best I can.This is where a rotisserie would be handy.
Buffed clean to shiny bare metal and then a coat of epoxy primer.
I really need a spray gun with a hose/bottle set up.My gun is not the best for spraying when lying on your back.
Trust me,I filled a 5 gallon pail full of undercoating,rust,and dirt from here;

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 04, 2008, 04:18:03 PM
Inside of rear frame rails,and hump are done.
Loose undercoating removed,buffed bare metal and painted.
Not perfect but I know it will not rust.Brake line bracket will be removed and blasted.Right now it is holding the line up out of the way.


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 04, 2008, 04:20:32 PM
I use an old florescent light when underneath.Lights 'er up real nice.
Someday she will see all four tires back on the ground...

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 04, 2008, 04:55:30 PM
Quote from: MoparMatt
The last time I laid in a C-body trunk I was looking for leaks while dad sprayed the garden hose!  At least Lea would probably dump beer over the seams (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)  RIGHT????  Lea???  you there buddy??  It's dark in here and I'm thirsty...  LEA!!!!  HELP! (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif)
Me waste beer like that?? Only if you have a straw suck it up!!!
LOL
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Bill Mounteer on May 05, 2008, 09:54:30 AM

Quote from: CBarge
Huh? wha? Matt? Wassupp? LOL
Guys,I run my large fan running and the garage door open whenever I paint.I wear a mask-besides I amy be loopy from a few beers.
The trunk is not finished,Polaraco.I ran out of supplies and Canadian Tire is not open at 1 AM (except the gas bar).I said I was practising!! It will be rdone properly in one shot-trust me.
The spatter does seem a little dark.It should lighten up after a few coats.

Mine is about the same color and it was done with what is the correct OEM paint.

(http://members.shaw.ca/furywip/Images/B212%20Trunk%20and%20inside%20right%20quarter%20panel%20final.jpg)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on May 05, 2008, 09:59:51 AM
Quote from: CBarge
Quote from: MoparMatt
The last time I laid in a C-body trunk I was looking for leaks while dad sprayed the garden hose!  At least Lea would probably dump beer over the seams (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)  RIGHT????  Lea???  you there buddy??  It's dark in here and I'm thirsty...  LEA!!!!  HELP! (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif)
Me waste beer like that?? Only if you have a straw suck it up!!!
LOL
 
Thing will probably leak so much Matt would use a funnel.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 05, 2008, 05:21:36 PM
Well tonight I sealed her up real tight so no blood from a Joisey Mob job will leak!! LOL (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
Here is the other half of the job..(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 05, 2008, 05:25:07 PM
Underneath got painted tonight as well.
Enjoy..
It will be covered with undercoating.Trust me there is more paint and epoxy here compared to the thin layer of paint the factory applied..
I just love that MM1 Turbine Bronze..MMmmm

CBarge2008-05-06 07:18:43
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 05, 2008, 05:27:06 PM
I have some paint areas needing touching up with a brush where my gun could not reach.But that is for another day..
Cheers for now!!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on May 05, 2008, 07:56:19 PM
Well Done...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on May 06, 2008, 04:35:51 AM
You want to borrow my little touch up gun?  Much easier to manuver under there and you can make smaller batches.  It's a siphon so the cup is on the bottom too
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 10, 2008, 05:36:36 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Well tonight I sealed her up real tight so no blood from a Joisey Mob job will leak!! LOL (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
Here is the other half of the job..(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Here is a BEFORE pic...Taken in 2005 when I got her home..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/IMG_0202.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 10, 2008, 06:02:04 PM
Ok,sure it is darker than the original color.I can live with that.
Let's face it,the car will not be an "original unrestored survivor".
But at least I am enjoying what I am doing and also the car will be well preserved and still look great.
The trunk and belly will not be show car quality perfect.
I am emulating how the factory did it--which means there will be spots missed and/or splotches of paint or runs..LOL!
As a reminder,she was a sales bank car where she did not get the extra special attention like the ordered cars.
As I keep labouring away stripping the floor pans of its undercoating I am finding more and more clues on the quality  control back then-which was very little compared to toady's standards,IMO.
I am surprised she did not rust out completely since there is more bare metal hidden under the black goop.
I tested the undercoating I bought on a parts fender to see how it will cover.
I will need two coats of it to "look" factory.It is not exact,but again,the car wil be well protected.
I am almost done under there...I can't wait to install the gas tank and rear axle.
Cheers
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 17, 2008, 05:09:17 AM
Today is the first of three days I will be in the garage thrashing on the car.I must finish the bottom of the car in a week.
Why?
Next Sunday May 24,my buddy James will be here to help me freshen up the rear axle.New seals,service the bearings,and swap out the 2.76's for  2.94 gears.A little more city friendly and still cruise on the highway.
Once the axle is serviced,it and the gas tank,lines and all are going in.
I can put the front drums back on,bleed the brakes.
Then she can finally be back on her wheels after 3 years on axle stands.
I am pumped!! Can't wait!
Big changes are coming!!
CBarge2008-05-17 10:11:07
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Bill Mounteer on May 17, 2008, 09:45:36 AM
Does that mean if I bring some Alberta plates we can take her for a spin! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 17, 2008, 06:38:16 PM
With no exhaust and rear window out of it,we will not get very far...LOL
I had her running last week but she really needs a tune up,and fuel pump.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 17, 2008, 07:43:23 PM
It is the Canadian Victoria Day long weekend.
That means three days of beer and working on the BoaB..
I got the beer fridge in the garage stocked up and I put on my required safety gear..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 17, 2008, 07:46:33 PM
I put in a 12 hour day on the old girl.
I did not even sleep in this morning.I got up ,made breakfast and headed out to the garage just a itchin to get down and dirty.
I finished the driver's floor pan..
But there's more..
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 17, 2008, 07:50:25 PM
I then focused on the passenger side floor pan.
The factory undercoating had to go.Ditto for the coat hanger that has been there since 1974.
I cleaned up the welds from the patches Ray and I installed.
I then spray it with epoxy primer.
Before:
CBarge2008-05-18 01:01:47
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 17, 2008, 07:53:14 PM
During:
Don't let the factory undercoating fool you.
It does hold moisture in.
Result? surface rust under it;

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 17, 2008, 07:55:34 PM
I cleaned her up the best I can and then shot a coat of epoxy primer.
Tomorrow...paint.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 17, 2008, 07:59:45 PM
Not done working yet...
I still had some energy left (and beer) so I thought I could do something better than watch the primer dry..
So,I broke out the undercoating and did the rear wheel wells.
I could not bring myself to d o the rear half of the car...yet..
Stuff is messy and drips on my floor--not to mention hard to get out of your hair ..
It's late and I'm thirsty..UUrrp.
Til tomorrow..G'day,eh?
 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on May 18, 2008, 08:50:16 AM
lookin good Lea.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 18, 2008, 07:11:33 PM
Thanks,Foamy.
I was a bit lazy after yesterday's blitz on the Boab.
I spent some quality time with my wife.and then later on I ventured out into the garage.
In keeping with my goal to get her on tires,(the car..not the wife)
I buffed the drums clean in preparation for the sandblast booth.
I "unswedged" the front drums.I have a couple of good used righty hubs but one of the drums are junk..So I plan on making one out of two.They are already machined-ready to go..Just some assembly required.
I am hoping to use a friends sandblast cabinet-if he let's me.

CBarge2008-05-19 00:14:15
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 18, 2008, 07:19:14 PM
I have brandy new bearings and seals for the front drums.Plus I bought an extra set for the New Yorker.(Dang, that r/f bearing  is growling again.Screw it I bought two sets.)
For now,I jammed the old ones in just so I can get ready to move the car inside the garage.The new bearings and races will be installed before she sees any road time.


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 18, 2008, 07:20:56 PM
I finished the right side floor pan today as well.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 18, 2008, 07:25:38 PM
While thae paint was drying,I focused on a mechanical aspect that has been waiting to be done for a couple of years....the right side ball joint.It was toast.
I removed the factory install piece.It had the paint daubs on it and the broke- off zerk fitting.
Following Polaraco's advice,I did not crank down the torsion bar--as the FSM suggests.I simply supported the control arm with my jack..
CBarge2008-05-19 00:27:16
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 18, 2008, 07:31:26 PM
For now,I bolted on the Dippy's winter tires/rims after I installed the temporary drums..
The front is ready for brakes to get bled and adjusted.When the rear axle goes in,the brakes will be functioning.
It's been two years since she had tires on  the front..

CBarge2008-05-19 00:32:55
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 18, 2008, 07:35:03 PM
CBarge2008-05-19 00:36:42
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on May 18, 2008, 08:05:18 PM
Wow...full speed ahead...Looking good Leaburn!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Tom Atkinson on May 19, 2008, 04:18:29 AM
Looks great.   How do you drink beer with the safety mask? 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on May 19, 2008, 07:41:28 AM
through a straw of course. lol
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 19, 2008, 08:52:18 AM
Quote from: Chrysler300
Looks great.   How do you drink beer with the safety mask? 
Yes,a straw!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
I do take a break every now and then to striaghten up my back,then I have a cold one.I sit outside in  the fresh air in my backyard when it gets too dusty or too many paint fumes in the garage.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on May 19, 2008, 03:30:23 PM
IN  A  GADDA DA VIDA  HONEY....



PA-AINT FUMES ARE ALWAYS TRUUEEEE!
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) [color=#ffffff size=2]Boab's lookin' GREAT Lea![/color]
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on May 19, 2008, 03:41:29 PM
Beer through a straw?  What next?  Vodka and cookies?
 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 19, 2008, 05:35:28 PM
Interesting combo,Steve.I just might try that!! LOL
 
The gas tank is in!!
Using the tank hotroddnwillie donated and new J-hooks and the filler neck was from the sister donor car.
I also have a nice NOS gas cap that still has the warning tag on it.
The only two things here that belong to the Boab originally is the mat between the tank, and trunk and the straps.
I plumbed the new vent lines,too.
Tomorrow I will redo the main feed line (I kinked it) and get some fuel line and clamps.My El Cheapo line bender cannot do 5/16" line.So I will see if one of my guys at work are illing to borrow their bender.
CBarge2008-05-19 23:34:14
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 19, 2008, 05:39:38 PM
I asked a really good friend of mine for some advice.
James who will be helping me with the rear axle suggested to do everything necessary underneath and hang the rear end last.Even hang the tailpipe.Why not? the axle is outa the way-for now.
Even install the springs.His plan is to slide the axle in sideways and rest it on the springs.
Makes sense.
This way nothing is holding me back to get other things done. 
Any other opinions on this??
Thanks in advance
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Bill Mounteer on May 19, 2008, 09:36:21 PM
If you slide the axle in from the side after the tailpipes are hung,
will there be room between the spring and the tailpipe to clear the
differential?

Why not attach the springs finger tight and when it's time for the axle, undo the rear hangers to let the spring hang from the front hanger, then roll the axle in from behind and raise the springs back up. You'll need the hangers a little loose anyway when you install the axle so that you can get everything lined up before tightening the U bolts.

I'm thinking I might change my plan and do it this way as well.




Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on May 19, 2008, 10:03:04 PM
[/QUOTE]
 
Yup been there done that and Bills got it right...why lift and struggle trying to get the axle over the springs when you can balance it nicely on a floor jack and wheel it into place.
 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 20, 2008, 01:36:00 AM
Thanks for the input,guys.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
I agree .
For now,I will be using the single exhaust set up.
I will be getting the TTi duals when the slush fund allows.The HP logs will go on at the same time.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 20, 2008, 06:42:17 PM
Tonight I bent up the fuel line.Two hours later it is in!!
After two  attempts I had to cut and start over after bending it the wrong way.My 25 ft. roll was shrinking fast.
The third and last attempt was sucessful and it snapped in fitting like a glove!
I really impressed myself with the factory looking job I did.
All the clips,clamps,and hoses lined up perfectly.
7 bux of line,a borrowed bender and a couple beers.
Still cheaper than buying pre-bent lines plus shipping and having to tweak them for shipping damage anyways..
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 20, 2008, 07:21:39 PM
Thanks guys for the compliments!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif)
Sum pics of the fuel line,eh?

 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on May 20, 2008, 09:45:23 PM
Sweetness....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on May 21, 2008, 08:26:20 PM
Kudos to you Lea!, your really going to town on the ol/new girl, Keep chugging along!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on May 22, 2008, 10:24:47 AM
Sliding that axle in that way is a back breaker regardless.  Keep a floor jack handy with well oiled wheels  It will make life allot easier to get it over the other side.
 
I assume you have the carrier out of the housing?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 22, 2008, 03:04:22 PM
Nope.
We will be swapping out the 2.76 for 2.94 ratio.
The complete axle assembly will be going in afterwards.
As mentioned,I will be using the single exhaust set up for now.
We will slide the axle in through the left side.
CBarge2008-05-22 20:10:19
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on May 22, 2008, 03:13:25 PM
The 2.76 is not a bad idea in this day of soon to be $5 gas maybe?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 22, 2008, 03:48:19 PM
2.76 will eat the gaz cruising around town.
The 2.94's will help get 'er going at the lights a little better,and still be highway friendly.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 25, 2008, 04:02:44 PM
Pulled another 11 hour day in my garage today.
I was wired this morning and could not wait to get in there.
I was up at 7 and in the shop by 8.Gerri pulled me out in time for supper at 7PM.
I started clearing away the crap that has been burying the axle on my desk.I then removed all the brake parts off the axle.
James showed up as promised and we tore apart the axle--well he did as I observed and learned so I can do it on my own someday.
 
It has never been apart and still had the Chrysler service lube in it.
In a way this is a good thing since we know that the rear diff has never been monkeyed with.
The new axle seals are in,and I serviced the axle bearings which were in very good shape upon inspection.Just a bit of gear oil mixed in since the axle seals were toast.

 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 25, 2008, 04:05:38 PM
James brought a set of 2.94's that we swapped in.
The original 2.76's are shown in the pic.
Once the axle was all back together,I filled it with gear oil.
This is a messy job,but it had to be done.
It is a two man job handling this pig.
I had to hold it down often as Jame whacked everything loose.
Thanks to James for helping me out!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
CBarge2008-05-25 21:07:53
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 25, 2008, 04:16:07 PM
Now that the rear axle is serviced,I turned to other things.
I plumbed the brake lines and flex hose on the axle,finished the fuel & vent hoses underneath.
I gathered up all my hardware and installed the rear leaf springs,and tailpipe.
I still need some odd nuts and bolts before I tighten everything up.
For now,everything is just mocked in for test fitting.
I had this car apart for so long I forgot about the few little things that got broken or lost.Isn't that always the case?? LOL!!
Once I get the hardware I need she will have wheels in a couple days!! 
Why is it when you buy shocks they do not supply the wahsers to fit the bushing???(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)

 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 25, 2008, 04:17:16 PM
I also painted my drums in a "as cast" paint.Looks better than rust..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 25, 2008, 04:19:52 PM
Oh,dont worry,there is still plenty of room to slide the rear axle in sideways...
I have a way of doing it with tire dollies,trolley jack and one axle stand...
CBarge2008-05-28 23:44:01
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 28, 2008, 06:10:25 PM
As promised,the axle is in.
I did it by myself too!!
The way I did it was safe and no cuss words or harm was done to the installer.The hardest part was getting off the desk and onto the tire dolly.From there it was a cakewalk.
As seen in the pics to follow,if I drop the axle,it will fall on the leaf spring--not me.I also used the leaf springs as leverage as I slid the axle in.
Once I roll the axle up to the side of the car,I lift one end over the leaf spring.Then a second tire dolly is used under the outer backing plate to slide the axle in like butter.

CBarge2008-05-28 23:11:15
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 28, 2008, 06:14:43 PM
I support the pinion snubber with the trolley jack since the center section is the heaviest part.I put a jack stand on the tire dolly to raise the far end.Most of the weight is now on the leaf spring as I slide the axle in even further.


 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 28, 2008, 06:17:46 PM
From that point I simply tip the axle back a bit and over she goes.
I go to the other side and set it on the spring.Done!
Plenty of clearance inside with no snags.
No broken back,no busted finger or toes.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 28, 2008, 06:19:22 PM
I called it quits after that.I need my energy for work tomorrow.
Cant wait to get back on it to get it all buttoned up..
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on May 30, 2008, 08:33:14 PM
Nice going...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)...I'd probably not have come up with a solution like that...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
I can almost hear the pitter patter of tire tread already...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 31, 2008, 07:29:07 AM
Brian,the gestation time for an elephant is shorter than me creating my BoaB baby!! LOL (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Well,I will be in the garage if anybody is looking for me..
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 31, 2008, 01:50:10 PM
OK....Got all the brakes installed.drums on.
Parking brakes cables installed and adjusted.
Shocks are in.
All I need is an extra body to help bleed the brakes.
Then the tires can be put on.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 31, 2008, 05:57:53 PM
September 30th,2006 Before:

May 30th 2008 After:
CBarge2008-05-31 23:25:51
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 31, 2008, 06:06:29 PM
Yes,I am using Monroe shocks.Through my work I got them very cheap.The coil-overs I got from RBrogle will be installed on the New Yorker.With fresh leaf springs,I think the coil-overs would be harsh on the BoaB.
Maybe after some miles,I will install KYB's when the budget allows.
I found a volounteer for tomorrow to help me bleed the brakes.
Then I can get her off the axles stands afte almost three years on them.
Rusty was here when I put her up,and tomorrow he will be here to see her back on the ground.
I am so happy with the work done so far.Things are going smooth.
It pays to have the parts on standby ahead of the work.
I already filled my recyling box ust today only with all the cardboard from the boxes of parts that have been collected over the 2-3/4 years.Twenty months to be exact.
CBarge2008-05-31 23:26:48
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 31, 2008, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: CBarge
1.Grind floor patched from underneath.Clean 'em up so they will not be as noticeable.
2.Chaulk seams in panels replaced.
3.soft-wire brush underbelly clean.
We agreed to leave the good undercoating alone.Just remove the loose flaky schtuff.
4.Any bare metal on the belly will get Epoxied.
5.Paint the outer edges of the belly body color
Looking back at this quote,I have done what I set out to do and more.
With the exception of undercoating the belly.I am still not sure if I want to or not after all that work.It sure looks clean under there---for now.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on May 31, 2008, 06:43:25 PM
Why don't you bleed the brakes by yourself...I have done the wagon 3 times.. and many other vehicles with my "handy dandy do it yourself one man bleeding system.."
 
Click for larger image....
 
(http://img4.pictiger.com/8c8/14118296_th.jpg) (http://brianhansenbc.pictiger.com/albums/3620/14118296/)
thrashingcows2008-05-31 23:43:55
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 31, 2008, 06:51:05 PM
The master is filled up and all the bleeders are open for tonight so they can gravity bleed.
That is a good idea,Brian.I never thought about it.
Oh,well.Rusty is coming tomorrow.It would be nice to have a hand anyways when I am taking her off the axle stands.
Safety first.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 01, 2008, 02:47:15 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_3780.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mike on June 01, 2008, 02:49:25 PM
Awesome Job Lea!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif) You must feel like a proud parent! She looks great!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 01, 2008, 02:51:05 PM
She is sitting high in the rear with the freshly rebuilt rear suspension-not to mention no weight in the back and a guitted interior.
Brakes are bled and are functioning-so is the parking brake.
No driveshaft in since the motor/trans is coming out.
At least now I can focus on swapping sheetmetal and be able to move the car around when I have to.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 01, 2008, 02:54:11 PM
Remember those green doors I bought?
I started working on one last week and today gave it its first coat of MM1 on the inside parts.This is the left rear door.It is gutted and will be hung later this week.I am going to do as much as possible before they go on the car.
CBarge2008-06-01 19:56:02
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on June 01, 2008, 03:27:57 PM
Time for the Rustoleum and the roller  Eh?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Guests on June 01, 2008, 03:34:40 PM
AWESOME    (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 01, 2008, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Time for the Rustoleum and the roller  Eh?
Yep! R&B Autobody...Roller & Bondo!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Actually,I have two body guys who want to help.Tom across the street,(who loaned us his vintage spot welder) and Rusty my good buddy who owns the black 68 Imp and the bead roller and shrink/stretcher we borrowed.
Combined,they have a total of 50 years experience in autobody.
With their helpful hints and guidance,I will do as much as possible myself.To a point where they can pull the dents and do the bodywork.
Rusty wants to paint her.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Ken on June 01, 2008, 04:12:25 PM
Right on, Lea. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)  You must have felt quite proud to take those pics with the BOAB on it's own tires instead of stands...rightfully so.  Time for a cold one or two...or three...? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 01, 2008, 04:18:23 PM
UUrrp! Cheers! Mosey!! Eh?


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jimmy on June 01, 2008, 05:34:04 PM
   Love the choice of hubcaps, those heavy 15" jobbies look savage. Same as on the VIP and I also love the stance on that thing. Lookin good man...
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Robert F. Brogle on June 06, 2008, 04:38:58 PM
I can't share the enthusiasm for the hubcaps, but you're doing a hell of a job on the rest of the car Lea! I see that shiny MM1 paint and think that in a few years my 300 will look that good again. 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 06, 2008, 06:31:07 PM
The 15" are on temporarily.She is sitting on my Dippy's winter tires.
I still have to climb into the garage rafters and take down  the 14" steel wheels and 2157514 tires.
I will put the sexy Deluxe wheel covers on when she is completely done. No need to get them full of dust and overspray
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on June 06, 2008, 09:27:58 PM
Right on Lea!!  Looks much better on those round jacks stands....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 07, 2008, 10:30:00 AM
I drove to Lawrence's Garage to pick up a left tailpipe but I did not buy it after carefully lookng up the numbers. A couple bends looke dthat it will not fit.
The trip was not all lost after I mentioned to Lawrence about not being able to locate a tailpipe hanger..
"You mean this one??"
I was surprised that he had a NOS one!! Never used! It was a bit spendy but I really needed it.My old one was jerry-rigged for now.
I also pulled out some body plugs from a donor car in the field to replace the ones lost on my car.
 
 
CBarge2008-06-07 15:34:54
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 07, 2008, 10:32:54 AM
Funny thing is that they were made with old car tires.
Look carefully and you can see a letter from the sidewall.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on June 07, 2008, 08:35:08 PM
Cool!!!....The exhaust guy re-used my originals on the wagon, just with longer bolts to fit the 2 1/2 pipes.
 
Mmmmmm....N...O...S.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on June 08, 2008, 05:25:59 AM
Leaburn
The Left Front tire is flat   (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on June 08, 2008, 12:01:38 PM
lookin really good Lea. i'm proud to see her sittin good.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 08, 2008, 05:10:45 PM
Thanks!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on June 09, 2008, 02:46:38 PM
If only you could paint Lea!
 
I'd kidnap you in a heartbeat and put you to werk on my project!
 
Boab's lookin' FANTASTIC! (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on June 09, 2008, 04:03:37 PM
Don't get too close to it. . . .  He doesn't want you to see the beer cans he used. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 09, 2008, 05:57:36 PM
I do not drink from a beer can-I prefer bottle.You cannot make glass into patch panels.
So,far the majority of the work done on the BoaB was done from scratch.I choose the hard way of doing things..
I Combine this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Agq6UJvD8w&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Agq6UJvD8w&NR=1)
with several thousand of these:
And I get this:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/IMG_1364.jpg)
The easiest part was opening and drinking all those beer bottles!!

 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jason Goldsack on June 17, 2008, 07:56:32 AM

That is the funniest thing I have ever seen... LOL

I'm so glad the car sitting on it's own 4 feet again... (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)

1965Windsor3612008-06-17 12:56:52
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on June 17, 2008, 07:54:11 PM
at least something in the Patey garage can stand on it's own.......(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)

Leaburn's a "flex fuel" kinda guy


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 18, 2008, 01:38:54 AM
The only problem is the exhaust gases being expelled into the atmosphere!!! LOL!
PPPPFFFFFFFTTTTTT!!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on June 18, 2008, 04:06:08 AM
So that's where the pollution is coming from! The prevailing winds in Canada always fall on the East Coast!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 24, 2008, 05:49:34 PM
I had not done much on the car lately.I have been preoccupied with my mortgage renewal and all that comes with it!! My wife has been keeping me busy shopping for the bathroom and I just finished assemblying
 our brandy new BBQ.It was cheaper than the supplies!! LOL
So,out of my mad money I had to buy supplies to carry on with the body work.
Hoping to get back on it this weekend..
$400.00 dont go far in this schtuff...
CBarge2008-06-24 22:50:07
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on June 24, 2008, 06:18:18 PM
Using light weight body filler aint gonna help a thing (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 24, 2008, 06:35:30 PM
Our original prediction was four gallons!! Now we think we can get away just using one!!
Besides,everything looks good after a few beers!! LOL!!!! Urrrp.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on June 24, 2008, 07:06:06 PM
I meant the weight of it. . .sheeesh
 
Get it?  Light body filler on a heavy car?   ****sigh****
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 25, 2008, 12:36:26 AM
Ok..........now I get it!!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 30, 2008, 04:58:16 AM
Ray came to town Saturday and spent the day finishing up all the welding on the BoaB.
He needed his Mig back after its almost two year stay in my garage.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 30, 2008, 05:01:22 AM
The original decklid is toast.Completely blown out all across and the right corner where the "Chrysler" badge used to be is gone.
So,my replacement is in good shape except for a small area starting to blow out.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 30, 2008, 05:03:35 AM
Without touching the outer skin,I cut out the rot about 1/8" below the edge.Then it was treated with Phosphouric acid and rust convertor..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 30, 2008, 05:06:04 AM
Ray took over and finished the repair.
By far this is Ray's best work.
No filler--all metal

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 30, 2008, 05:08:01 AM
Nice straight edge,no damage to the outer skin.
Ready for prep and paint ,next.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 30, 2008, 05:17:58 AM
Sad to see the welder go,but it is a step ahead to the next phase of the car's restoration.
I cannot say in words how much Ray's contribution to the project means to me.And I cannot thank him enough.
I also had learned so much from him as well.
We have become good friends despite him moving an hour away from the city.
Thanks sooooo much Ray!! Oh,and thanks to his wife,Kerry for letting him spend so much time in my garage! LOL
Without him,the car would have been pop-riveted and Bondo'd together!! LOL
Ray will be popping in from time to time,but now it is Rusty's turn to let loose on the body work.!
I can prep the inner panels,but Rusty's expeertise will take over and I may even learn a few things along the way.
CBarge2008-06-30 10:18:53
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Robert F. Brogle on June 30, 2008, 05:39:47 PM
Note empty beer bottles on bench. It's that time of the year!
 
Looks great Lea!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on June 30, 2008, 06:45:04 PM
It's a step to being closer to the end.
 
Thanks Ray
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Bill Mounteer on July 09, 2008, 10:01:24 AM
Yes Ray's work is outstanding! I was very impressed with all the stuff I'd only seen pictures of, up close the metal work is as good as it gets.  The repairs around the bottom of the rear window is nothing short of amazing!

Leaburn,  I think you may  need to buy a couple of cows to keep Rusty filled up!  I've never seen anyone down a  whole steamboat  steak followed by a ton of salad and then still be first in line for desert! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)  If Rusty likes beer as much as beef, you'll need a new mortgage just to cover provisions. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 09, 2008, 01:54:39 PM
ROTFLOL!!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 09, 2008, 02:07:29 PM
It's been a while since I updated.
As y'all know,I had company during my time off from work.
Bill (Fury440) and his wife Sue stayed with us for a few days.
Ray was humbled by their praise.Little did he know how important this build is to others watching.
Even though Bill and Sue were on vacation,they wanted to see the car for themselves--even though it is not even finished!! That my friends is deep.
In appreciation for Rays work,I gave him a gift for all his hard work.I had a "Carbq" and presented his hard earnings amidst the crowd.He did not see it coming. A while back ,I asked Ray what he wanted for his '66 Fury.I got it at National Moparts and gave it to him.Proper heater hoses,ring clamps,and correct rad cap.
Thanks Ray for your hard work! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
CBarge2008-07-09 19:10:03
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 09, 2008, 02:13:56 PM
I had a moment in between everything to remove old seam sealer and replace it on the trunklid.Prepping it for paint
Sanded down,Epoxy primered,then sanded down smooth again.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_4174.jpg)
First coat of paint...

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 09, 2008, 02:16:16 PM
I just cannot get enough of this color!!
Ray's repair looks awesome--you cannot see it!! No filler!! (2nd pic)
CBarge2008-07-09 19:20:35
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 09, 2008, 02:19:12 PM
Upon closer inspection,the paint did not lay down the way I wanted it to.So,I am going to sand it again and lay down a couple more coats.All the bumps and ridges proved to be challenging to an amateur like myself.
Then I can re-install it back on the car.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 09, 2008, 02:25:39 PM
A few pics of last Friday's 'CarBBq"
BoaB stood for "Buffet on a Barge!!'

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 09, 2008, 02:28:06 PM
Grant,Ray,Bill,and Sue...
Ray's wife,Kerry,and my wife,Gerri...
CBarge2008-07-09 19:30:21
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 09, 2008, 02:32:58 PM
"Thanks for the cow!!!"
Rusty and girlfriend Lori...
I gave Rusty the crash sheets for his '68 Imp.
That's little Ava way in the back,Grant and Sherry's daughter. 
CBarge2008-07-09 19:33:53
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on July 09, 2008, 02:37:37 PM
I see BBOAB...  beer bottle on a barge...(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
On a serious note, that car's going to look fabulous Lea! (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)  The next time I plan a trip home to see my folks I just might factor in another four hours of driving time so I can come and see your (and Ray's) work for myself!
 
Would you be offended if I brought some watery American beer?  I'll share (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 09, 2008, 02:42:06 PM
I have been getting parts rather feverishly lately.
Some NOS,some repro and some that has to be new that you cannot re-use.new rubber parts for the doors,glass and trunk.
I also have gathered a healthy collection of literature as well.
Parts catalogue,crash sheets,Master tech carb tuning guide,etc.
My biggest score is a new trunk mat compliments to Nigel at National Moparts.
It was defective as the cuts in it for the spare tire mount were off  by three inches.A 65 dollar value for free!!.I can make it work.Besides the spare will hide the imperfections.Plus I have a plan for displaying my literature in the trunk during car shows.
CBarge2008-07-09 20:00:27
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 09, 2008, 03:08:35 PM
Overall,the total so far invested in the BoaB is just under 6 grand.
That does not include the cow Rusty ate,and all the beer Bill and I drank!!
LOLWhen you compare that to restoring any other A,B,or E Mopar,that is a drop in the bucket.
I have exceeded the value of the car,for sure.But I am doing it for love.When the BoaB working bees and myself are done,she will be a nice car.
All the people watching this thread have been an inspiration and I have pushed myself up to a new level to make this car the best I can ever achieve.
CBarge2008-07-09 20:11:05
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on July 09, 2008, 03:16:42 PM
Yer welcome Lea!  I admire your perserverance and determination for a worthy cause.  I really respect Gerri's patience too!
 
God Bless you my friend!  We will drink beer together soon!  (I wanna' meet you in person)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Bill Mounteer on July 09, 2008, 05:52:11 PM


Quote from: CBarge
Overall,the total so far invested in the BoaB is just under 6 grand.
That does not include the cow Rusty ate,and all the beer Bill and I drank!!... snip

You got off easy, we only drank about 4 dozen, it took 22 dozen just to get my garage cleaned up - and I'm not even finished yet! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)  Garage cleaning is really very dry work!

BTW, you need to move to a civilized province and get away from those bottles, they take up too much space in the frig and the extra weight can easily lead to beer elbow! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif)

Give me picture upload privilege and I'll show how little space 11 24's take up in a garage!


Fury4402008-07-09 22:53:23
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 10, 2008, 02:01:40 AM
go ahead!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on July 10, 2008, 03:50:39 AM
This is why I love this place! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on July 10, 2008, 04:02:39 AM
"Here's to alcohol....the cause of, and answer to, all of life's problems!"

Homer Simpson


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on July 10, 2008, 05:19:52 AM
Bill?  You can't upload pictures?????
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Bill Mounteer on July 10, 2008, 09:03:10 AM

Quote from: POLARACO
Bill?  You can't upload pictures?????

Works now - sort of?  Yesterday it told me I didn't have enough privilege and I think Leaburn solved that problem.   On this go around it rejected the picture because it was 105 Kb,  so I reduced the resolution and brought it down below the 100 Kb ceiling  but it still wouldn't accept it because it thought it wasn't a jpg.  After a little head scratching I renamed the file from  beer.jpg  to beer.JPG  and it worked.  The system doesn't appear to like lower case extensions.

Anyhow, as I said, a real good garage cleaning takes a lot of suds or as we call it "prairie lube'  !  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/25/beer.JPG)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on July 10, 2008, 11:41:22 AM
Awesome Bill (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)

That's what I call emergency preparedness!  What do you mix the 7-up with?



Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Bill Mounteer on July 10, 2008, 01:34:18 PM

Awesome Bill (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)

That's what I call emergency preparedness!  What do you mix the 7-up with?


[/QUOTE]

Canadian Club of course!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)  Note case on the floor to the right of my beer tower. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Maybe that's why my car progress is slow, too many distractions. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley14.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on July 11, 2008, 04:43:46 AM
Down here, we call that our Hurricane Preparedness Kit...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 11, 2008, 06:51:44 PM
Ok,UUurrrrp.back on topic here...
As mentioned before,the paint on the trunklid did not turn out the I wanted it.
After seeking expert advice,I discovered I mixed the paint incorrectly-too much reducer and not enough hardener.
The result was a terrible finish-too much orange peel,cracking in paint and so soft you can scrape it off with your fingernail---days after I did it.I had to wet sand it since it started to ball up in the sandpaper...
CBarge2008-07-11 23:53:48
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 11, 2008, 06:55:46 PM
All sanded and ready for a third coat--done correctly.
Wet sanding is a lot of hard work.Even more so than fabricating metal,IMO..
CBarge2008-07-11 23:56:12
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 11, 2008, 06:59:10 PM
Mirror finish.Much better now.
I am no expert at all.It takes practice,lots of trial and error along the way.I am impressed on how it turned out tonight.
I could have saved myself the extra work and truoble if had seeked advice before mixing the paint.
However,wet sanding between coats made me a believer in a deep shiny finish!
Note the reflection of the roof rafters in the trunklid!!!
CBarge2008-07-12 00:01:13
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Dan Cluley on July 11, 2008, 07:33:27 PM
Looks great.  What kind of equipment are you using to spray with?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 11, 2008, 08:21:45 PM
El Cheapo 50 dollar spray gun,Sears 33 gallon 6 HP compressor.I have a regulator on the gun set at 45 PSI
The paint products are Omni which is a division of PPG.
I do not have a proper paint booth.I hose down my floor to keep dust down in my garage.
I make sure the garage is well ventilated and I use a charcoal dust & particle mask.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on July 12, 2008, 04:55:38 AM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/roller.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on July 12, 2008, 06:53:06 AM
At the resto shop I started at, we would prep and prime the undersides of lids, door jambs etc and lightly sand for paint. Then the body color went on, followed by masking of the jambs. The lids went on a padded sawhorse and had their topsides masked off. We painted the areas with clear IMRON from DuPont (now you would use a catalysed clearcoat enamel) so the jambs and undersides of the lids were glossy and didn't need to be buffed out. Jambs were masked up to the edge of the quarter....a natural break off point. The outside paint was buffed so there was no visible line between the two areas.
It is a neat way to make those areas tough and get away with less work!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 13, 2008, 06:07:19 PM
Thanks for the tip,Bob!!
Hey,Bloss man,page 37..How much more can your server handle????????
Today I started prepping the replacement r/r doors.Yep plural.
Turns out the first r/r door is full of bondo and was hit hard  sometime in the past.
Not feasable to repair.However it garnered real nice guts that I will be re-using.
Thick,thick bondo..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 13, 2008, 06:13:03 PM
I had to remove the guts since my second replacement r/r door was from a New Yorker that was power equipped and had some parts already missing.
However,it needs little prepping.I simply grinded down the tabs for the NYer trim.Clean and reseal the door bottom.Treated it with Phospouric acid and Rust convertor then seam sealed it.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_4220.jpg)
CBarge2008-07-13 23:17:18
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 13, 2008, 06:15:40 PM
Here you can compare the original door that has the dimples for the power door lock solenoid.The replacement door has the holes that need to be filled.
Luckily,I did score the solenoid from this door and it works!! Goody! I can now replace the bummed one in my New Yorker.

 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on July 13, 2008, 07:11:53 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/roller.jpg)
 
Leaburns blowing pictures up her so fast he's steam rolling right past all the fun we're making of him
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 15, 2008, 06:33:24 PM
Tonight I removed the rotten right rear door
.This thing is toast...
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_4237.jpg)
And I hung the nice door!!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 15, 2008, 06:39:04 PM
Still need to fine tune it to match the lines,but the gaps on this car are horrible to begin with.
What you see is as good as it gets.
It opens/closes like butter.The old door was hit hard and never did shut right.
CBarge2008-07-15 23:41:58
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 15, 2008, 06:45:00 PM
She looks better already  with one new(er) door on.
This is a big step forward and I am getting excited.
Gradually working my towards the front of the car.
The r/f door will stay on the car .It does not need any repairs.
As strange that is since every other body panel on this car was not left unscathed.
Next is  the r/f fender..
Stay tuned!
CBarge2008-07-15 23:47:49
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on July 16, 2008, 03:56:08 AM
Quote from: CBarge
Still need to fine tune it to match the lines,but the gaps on this car are horrible to begin with.
 
Looks "factory original" to me. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
Great job.  I love watching the progress.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on July 16, 2008, 04:34:14 AM
Notice the 5 pound hammer.  I haven't had one of those out yet on VOAB. 
 
Lea and I were talking the other night.  He said he's going to leave the car finish the way it is so he can identify it in the parking lots.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on July 16, 2008, 03:08:52 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: POLARACO
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/roller.jpg)
 
 
I'm thinking one of those deep-lap rollers.  You know, the ones that leave a textured 1/4" surface on whatever is painted.  (Hides lots of bad plaster (BONDO) werk too...)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on July 16, 2008, 03:14:19 PM
NEVER underestimate...
 
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/bondo.jpg)
 
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Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on July 16, 2008, 04:32:41 PM
Quote from: MoparMatt
Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: POLARACO
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/roller.jpg)
 
 
 
Yeah  there you go.  Fill, Prime, Paint and sound proof all in one step!  Doesn't matter, you'll know how many beers he had by how the coats are applied.  LOL
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Dan Cluley on July 16, 2008, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
 
Right.  Cause the extra 2 feet of body length sticking out beyond the rest of the cars isn't going to be obvious enough?(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Bill Mounteer on July 16, 2008, 08:51:10 PM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on July 17, 2008, 05:31:50 AM
2 feet???  Try 3 1/2 next to a Honda (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on July 17, 2008, 06:37:12 AM
In a parking lot, it'll be as easy to find as this
 
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/muttscutts.jpg)
 
Same surface texture, just not as soft and fluffy (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 17, 2008, 07:07:43 AM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Tom Atkinson on July 18, 2008, 12:41:09 AM
That's dumb. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 18, 2008, 06:09:43 PM
Its been a while since my last update.
I do admit I am not working on the car as much as I would prefer.
However,I have been doing little bits at a time between renovations,car shows and driving Miss Daisy around (aka my wife).
I removed the door and had Rusty welded in the holes in the door.
I then cleaned,sanded and painted the inside edges.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_4224.jpg)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 18, 2008, 06:13:01 PM
I had some help last weekend to swap my hood.
It is in very good shape and came with a hood pad.Same color as the car which is a big plus.
I have the hood aligned and made notes of the gaps for future reference.It will come off later to be cleaned,painted and detailed.

 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 18, 2008, 06:15:40 PM
The old hood is junk and unsafe .
It is literally in two pieces.It separated from the inner bracing and rusted through in most spots.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 18, 2008, 06:21:34 PM
If I am not in the garage,I am on the road collecting my boxes in NY state,or visiting other wrecking yards.
I got my big box of new rubber products from Restoration Specialties.
They are,as far as I know,theonly company ytah has product available for C body 4 door hardtops.
Window felts,cowl to hood seal,hood to rad yoke and my favorite is the weather strip for the 4 door hardtop.
It was pricey but well worth themoney.
Excellent fit,easy installation.No more whistling !!
Plus I scored a NOS exhaust hanger and NOS wiper switch still in box..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 18, 2008, 06:28:15 PM
The weatherstrip does not come with any hardware,so re-use your old schtuff including the metal bracket at the end of the C pillar...
I did a test fit on the BoaB and it is a quality product.
IN fact I will be buying another set for my New Yorker.
http://www.restorationspecialties.com/ (http://www.restorationspecialties.com/)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 18, 2008, 06:30:36 PM
With the replacement hood fitted,I started to rip her apart.
Drained the fluids,removed the rad,grille,hood latch support,wire harness,and rad core support..

 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 18, 2008, 06:32:50 PM
I have been bagging and tagging all the schtuf that I know will either get lost or forgotten.
For the few extra minutes it takes,it will save  a lot of time later down the road..
The original 22" rad showed sign of long term sitting.Sludge halfway up the lower rad hose inlet..
CBarge2008-08-18 23:45:05
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 18, 2008, 06:35:40 PM
I had to test fit my 26" rad core support that Mosey donated to the BoaB.
Fits like a glove.
It will get sandblasted, painted and detailed.
THANKS MOSEY!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 18, 2008, 06:38:46 PM
I have an engine stand and cherry picker on standby.
Motor will come out to get some TLC and then clean/detail the firewall.
All that will be done after my Mecca to Joisey..
CBarge2008-09-01 01:24:54
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 18, 2008, 06:39:24 PM
For now toodle-oo and see yall in September!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 31, 2008, 08:29:11 PM
First of all,I would like to dedicate my updates today to Jim Dawson. (Furyman67) Tom's Dad.
He always enjoyed this thread.
Tom,he may not here with us today,but he is watching..
CBarge2008-09-01 14:48:47
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 31, 2008, 08:33:29 PM
Well,after making a "technical" call to the Bloss,I got the motor and trans out.
It help when you take out all  the bolts out of the trans crossmember!!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 31, 2008, 08:37:10 PM
It is much easier removing both motor and trans out together.
here,I used a car dolly to support the trans after breaking it away from the motor.This is the first time the two have ever been apart since assembled new forty years ago...
CBarge2008-09-01 01:37:52
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 31, 2008, 08:40:32 PM
Once  the trans is outa da way,I put the motor on an engine stand.
Folks don't cheap out on this part.Mopar big blocks are heavy and can bend an el cheapo stand.I know,I did it before.
Here she is in her grungy,grimey glory..

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 31, 2008, 08:45:26 PM
The plans are to clean up the motor,replace all the oil seals and freeze plugs.,degreae and paint.
Install the 4bbl upgrade schtuff.
The trans will have to sit for a while til I can afford to get it  freshened up.Meanwhile I have a really good B/RB-727 out of a 77 NYB that works great.Plus it has the more modern 3-2 kickdown for better fuel economy. 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 31, 2008, 08:50:31 PM
I checked the gumbers and verified that yes inded it is the matching #'s drivetrain for the BoaB.
The car has a scheduled build date of A03-October 3,1967
Motor was cast September 15,1967.
Trans was built roughly around the same time.
Typical  build  time for a sales bank car.

CBarge2008-09-01 15:48:59
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 31, 2008, 08:55:30 PM
I do have a couple of frost plugs rotten,and the left motor mount is broken.
Mobby??????
I have my work cut out for me,eh?
Plus I will be detailing the firewall area.
Luckily,The BoaB's firewall is very basic and should not be too hard to do compared to my Barge's A/C firewall spaghetti mess.
Here are the official BEFORE pics.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 31, 2008, 08:59:03 PM
I will not be pulling the booster since now that my brakes are working .It will get cleaned, painted and masked off before I do the firewall.
I did pull out all the electrical and the wiper motor will be pulled.
Fenders and bumper too.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on September 01, 2008, 05:49:00 AM
She's coming together nicely Lea!  Or is that coming apart (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)
 
I really like the trick photography, blurring the exposures to mimick yer vision after all those beers!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on September 01, 2008, 06:34:30 AM
Putting it together is the trick. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
He doesn't own a hot wrench so the car is safe. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 


POLARACO2008-09-01 11:35:42
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on September 01, 2008, 02:05:21 PM
Quote from: CBarge
The plans are to clean up the motor,replace all the oil seals and freeze plugs.,degreae and paint.
Install the 4bbl upgrade schtuff.
 
What??? No new rod and main berrings goin in? Just my .02. take it for what its worth.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 06, 2008, 07:46:20 PM
R,we will be taking a peek at them,no worries.Any sign of wear,yes they will have to be done.If it looks good we will button her up.
****************************************************
Today I spent from 10 AM to 5PM cleaning shop.It was a mess after yanking out the drivetrain.
So bad that I could not function properly--we all have been there,I would assume.
I actually pulled the BoaB outside to get the shop the way I wanted it.
Here,she is knocking on my back door!! LOL

  
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 06, 2008, 07:52:50 PM
All the crap on the floor was relocated,swept,shampoo,scrub and pressure rinsed the floor..
Squeaky clean.Floor soap was horked..er..compliments of work

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 06, 2008, 07:56:55 PM
Since I had the pressure washer out,I shampooed the engine bay and knocked out all the loose crud and grease..
It's amazing that after all this time some inpection marks survuved.
Overall she is in good shape.With some detailing here she will be a sharp looking car..

 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 06, 2008, 08:02:17 PM
After everything dried,I yoinked the front fenders off.No fighting either.Just a lot of tree crap from where she sat for alomost 20 years.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 06, 2008, 08:06:51 PM
Which led me into cleaning out the vents.
The left one had an old nest from some critter.the right one was plugged full of pine tree needles.
Using a blow gun and a rubber hose,I blew it all out both from the cowl area and the vents themselves.Luckily I did not find any rust out in these areas.Good shape.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 06, 2008, 08:11:32 PM
Before..
After:
Well,I am pooped and out of beer.Time to get some rest.
Tomorrow,the firewall...
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jason Goldsack on September 07, 2008, 03:42:52 AM
WOW.. if you get a month behind on watching this thread... you can count on an hour to catch up.. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley23.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: R. Dave Carr on September 07, 2008, 06:44:59 PM
Oh, but to have the skills Lea posesses.....  Lea, do you think it will be running by the end of the work season?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 07, 2008, 06:53:33 PM
No predictions at this point.I am hoping to get as much done as possible before winter comes.
My friends are thinking another year of work is ahead of me still...
Even more if I keep tearing her apart...
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: R. Dave Carr on September 07, 2008, 06:55:30 PM
Well, even if it's not, you have a lot to be poud of with this car.  My hat is off to you.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on September 08, 2008, 09:14:35 AM
well lea. you sure have done a great job so far. congrats
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 11, 2008, 03:27:44 PM
Thanks Foamy.
I had Wednesday off so I sorted out all the trim parts.As part of cleaning out the garage.
Turns out I have three of everything-til now.
Since I got the trim from Chris (Azblackhemi) all the rest is garbage.
The Arizona weather treated the trim very nicely and will shine brightly after a buffing,annd will be installed when the BoaB is finished..
Chris,Thanks,Man!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
In return Chris gets to hoard some wagon specific and other miselaneous parts I sent..
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 11, 2008, 03:33:40 PM
I also removed the heater box assembly.Good thing I did-even though I did not really feel like doing so.
It was full of tree crap.Plus the heater core did not leak,but the question is will it after my new carpet is installed??
 After doing so much this far,I am not taking any chances.
I pulled  the core and a spare and sent them out to be checked.
I completely cleaned out the box,lubed the rusty points,and set it aside to wait for he heatercore.
With everything except the booster off the firewall,it has been sanded down,removed any rust,and all nuts,bolts,etc are soaking in the Ultra One Rust remover.
To make things a little easier,the frame and booster will be painted first.
When dry,it will be easier to cover it with blankets,etc when I paint the firewall.
No pics tonight,and that's it for now.
 
CBarge2008-09-11 20:35:36
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 11, 2008, 04:42:00 PM
Quote from: CBarge
No pics tonight,and that's it for now. 
 
Heck.  I'm exhausted just reading about all the work you're accomplishing.... (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 18, 2008, 04:11:58 PM
Well a week later I have the frame painted.
Rusty came and collected the scrap.
Firewall is next to get the treatment

 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on September 20, 2008, 05:26:12 AM
You missed a spot!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 20, 2008, 01:42:18 PM
Quote from: MoparMatt
You missed a spot!
Just like factory!! In a rush as the car went down the line..(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on September 20, 2008, 07:47:01 PM
That's where he set his beer can down and painted around it........

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 21, 2008, 04:55:24 PM
LOL!! Funny Bob--and so true!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Well,Rusty showed up to set up my new $18.00 touch up spray gun.
After that he painted the firewall for me.
Fisrt was two coats of two-stage primer and two coat of the lovely MM! paint.
MMMmm I love that color.
Looks sharp.Especially with the fresh black front frame contrasting it.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 21, 2008, 04:59:03 PM
The black Tremclad paint cost 11.00,mineral spirits were $4.00.
The MM1 paint was 18.00,gun was $18.00.

CBarge2008-09-21 22:01:04
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on September 22, 2008, 06:58:36 AM
Quote from: CBarge
The MM1 paint was 18.00 
 
What brand of paint are you spraying?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on September 22, 2008, 08:51:47 AM
Hey Lea
 
You missed a spot  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 22, 2008, 03:27:48 PM
Quote from: MoparMatt
Quote from: CBarge
The MM1 paint was 18.00 
 
That was a pint of urethane single stage by Omni which is PPG
8-4-1 mixture.
Good enough for the edging,inner fenders,firewall and door jambs.
My two-stage primer cost waaay more than that.
I will be spending $$$ on really good base/clear for the main paint job of the body.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 22, 2008, 03:40:46 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Hey Lea
 
Well,not me--Rusty!! He put in a few runs for good measure to make it look factory as well!! LOL!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Honestly more got painted than what the factory did.It got more attention to detail than any line worker could do on a moving line.
Not for looks but more for protection.The lower half of the firewall was either bare metal or black primer which was rusting.It was treated to a good cleaning,rust convertor,primer and paint.
My goal here was to preserve,and to look good--even if it is not "factory correct".
By the time the engine and fenders are back in place most of this will not be seen anyways.

 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on September 22, 2008, 03:52:13 PM
I've mixed plenty of PPG and Omni!  I hope it's not Omni AE...  wont hold it's luster fer long.  AE is good fer Caterpillars...
 
Otherwise, when's the party?  Siss tried to toss an old mop the other day!...  GOOOOOD coverage with that.
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/roller.jpg)
 
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Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Robert Rottman on October 11, 2008, 05:23:54 PM
Loooooking Goooood Lea...You do pretty nice work....even if there's a few 2.5" dia. bare spots here and there...Don't ya have a bench fer yer beer? furyfever2008-10-11 22:25:17
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 15, 2008, 06:57:06 PM
Well,folks.Winter is coming soon.
I have been off this week getting things ready for the inevitable.
I have been working on the car feverishly but the temperatures are dropping low at night so no more painting till spring.
I have done a mock-up on the car by installing my used fenders,trunk lid,and rear doors.I put tire back on it,cleared the garage and pushed her to one side to make room for Rusty's Imperial which will be stored here this winter.
Like last winter,no work will be done on the car to avoid any high heating costs.
No worries,I will be here lurching.Plus I have to focus on the Canadian Distributor deal in the works with Ultra One.
 
For now she is hibernating under a car cover and on tire dollies waiting for spring.
I also stowed away the C Barge New Yorker.
 
I would like to thank everyone for watching this thread,and Steve for letting me share my experiences,his hospitality and most of all friendship.Thank you.
More than like likely I will start a new thread in the new year to keep things simple.
This is not the end,only a beer break!!
Se ya's when it thaws!!
 
 
CBarge2008-10-15 23:58:53
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: R. Dave Carr on October 15, 2008, 07:02:45 PM
You've earned a rest Lea.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 16, 2008, 01:51:51 AM
Fantastic job, Lea.  You pound out more work in a week that I could in a year!
 
Winter up there has it's good and bad points I guess.
The bad is that you have to put the project aside for a while.
The good is, they'll be filming another season of Ice Road Truckers for me...  .(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on October 16, 2008, 03:04:53 PM
Wow Lea already???
I'm gonna call my Mopar buddies here in MI and see if the cruise in is still going on this Friday and Saturday night. Its gonna start getting cold at night though.
But I really admire you and all the work you've done on the "BoaB" this year!!!!
You are a true inspiration to us all!!!!  Thanks for sharing all the great photos this year!!!!  
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on December 24, 2008, 09:33:27 AM
(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/grd.gif)(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/grd.gif)(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/grd.gif)(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/grd.gif)(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/grd.gif)(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/grd.gif) 
 
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POLARACO2008-12-24 14:35:17
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on December 24, 2008, 11:49:11 AM
Steve:  Playing with our new toys, are we????
 
(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/evilgrin/evilgrin0039.gif)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 24, 2008, 12:34:56 PM
Well,It is Christmas Eve and the big brown truck just showed up with a bunch of NOS goodies for the BoaB.
I got a new credit card just before Christmas so I am racking it up!!
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 24, 2008, 06:06:36 PM
Big score is NOS 3 speed wiper motor.$124.99--still cheaper than the 300 quoted for replating my original one. Also for 24.99 I scored the trim piece for the right fender skirt still in wrapper. NOS rubber bumper/fender filler,NOS p.brake booster check valve.NOS gas cap.Repro heater hose kit and proper repro ballast resistor,And cool vintage key chain tag
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/Dec2008003.jpg)
Rare  as NOS,I scored these taillight surround end pieces $100.00 but where can you find good ones??  Made of potmetal,all mine are badly crazed or pitted...Novelty original oil can..dated 68-A 
CBarge2008-12-24 23:25:57
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 24, 2008, 06:34:22 PM
The blueprint book has lots of good info.
But it is just a bunch of photcopies slapped together.
Buyer beware!! Ebay seller Motalk426
A ten year old can do a better job copying the pages!
Dollar store binder,paper 4.95.
Charge $100.00.
He sold the same info to two other people!
I am in the wrong business.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250339106008&viewitem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250339106008&viewitem)=
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on December 25, 2008, 03:34:38 AM
Quote from: CBarge
The blueprint book has lots of good info.
But it is just a bunch of photcopies slapped together...
I think you're being a tad too harsh on this guy, Lea.
I go by the motto, "If it's the only one in the world, it's the cheapest one in the world".
Personally, a complete set of the engineering drawings, I would find invaluable.  How often do you see that?  I would kill for a set for the Formals...
 
PS: I would also love to see you vast archives someday that you seem to have amassed.  Must be a reference utopia. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Butch Houghton on December 25, 2008, 04:20:09 AM
Lea,  You've just fallen into the same trap I did when I did the Fury.....You find I little NOS piece & then another & another.....

Sure is fun though! In the end it all makes the car that much nicer.

Butch


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 25, 2008, 06:56:29 AM
Thanks,Butch.
I think what happened to me is going to shows and observing the high quality restored C's (they are out there!) and observing unrestored survivor cars.
My New Yorker is a nice car but not as nice as the ones I observed.
The Newport will be a better looking car than the New Yorker.
When I see an oppourtunity to make the BoaB a better car I will take it.All the necessary electrical upgrades have been done to ensure reliability,for example.
Hours of block sanding does make a difference in the finished product--that I learned the hard way-- and was very pleased with the outcome.(trunklid)
Basically,half assed job wont do and I done a few of those on the New Yorker.(Painted the inner fenders/rad core but not the firewall)
Detailing the BoaB's firewall did not cost all that much money--just some time to actually do the work.
I am at the $8,000.00 mark on the BoaB and that is nothing compared to a E body resto that can go up to 70 grand or more.
Forecast will be 10-12 thousand when finished.(I say that now but we will see..)
That is a far cary from my original prediction of 3 grand back in 2006!!
If I stuck to the 3 grand budget the car would be half-assed,IMO.
I would not be happy with half-assed.
It is a hobby not an investment.
I am not competing against anybody but myself.
 
I cannot thank you all enough for your support in this.
Building friendships is priceless.
I am thankful to have met some of you and hoping to meet more.
Merry Christmas!! and a Happy New Year!!
CBarge2008-12-25 11:57:29
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 25, 2008, 08:43:46 AM
Quote from: Commando1
Just a teaser...
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget002.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 25, 2008, 08:48:38 AM
Here is a link to the rare December 1968 Impact magazine.
According to my sources,Impact was geared to the dealers to upsell services and products.
The magazine was usually left in the waiting area for customers to see.
http://www.moparfins.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1986 (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1986) 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 11, 2009, 01:47:08 PM
January 2009..HHmm,this will be my fourth year owning the car and third year working on it.
This is the year she will be done.
For know I am focusing on some little stuff I can do while the snow is on the ground and the garage is a deep freeze preserving 800 SQ.FT of 1968 Chryslers
I am sending out the number's matching alternator to get rebuilt along with the starter (it has a broken tooth-but works great).They will be cleaned/detailed while they are out.I never took them apart and not about to either.Leave that to my well respected local rebuilder Astro Alternator and Electrical.(We use them through my work so I will get "my Price!")
I decided that the condition of original tranny is unknown.It did work when parked---back in 1974.It did go in gear here in my shop,but I am not taking any chances.
Transmissions Unlimited here will freshen it up in their slow time for 400.00 cheap.I plan upgrading one step up in cam and torque convertor anyways.I do not want to take it out twice.
I started buying parts for the motor to prepare it to get  refreshed as well.
Sure it runs but it needs to be torn down and inspected after such a long slumber .But that will happen when the warmer temperatures come.
So,I am puttering around doing little things that can be done inside the house without getting chewed at by my wife (TWANG!)
I scored a complete set of NOS taillight lenses and I rebuilt the tail light assemblies.
 
CBarge2009-01-11 19:27:42
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 11, 2009, 01:54:34 PM
Many thanks to Chris (Azblackhemi) for sending me the nice Arizona assemblies.
And Steve for holding the parts until I got down to Joisey in August.
My original ones were badly corroded,pitted and the reflector inside the housing was peeling.Toast.
Here is the Arizona one before resto.
Note faded lense and black inserts,but chrome is nice driver condition.
CBarge2009-01-11 19:20:31
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 11, 2009, 01:55:52 PM
I thought you eskimos like the cold weather! Is it done yet?????? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jason Goldsack on January 11, 2009, 01:57:05 PM
I'm running the 383 Magnum cam in my 361 and I am very happy with it... with the Points, M-1 Dual Plane and AVS with the 2.76 gears I got 16 MPG...




Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 11, 2009, 01:58:13 PM
First thing is take it all apart and give it a bath to wash away the Arizona desert,LOL!
Gaskets were not reusable and crumbled. (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget006-2.jpg)
The inside of the housing is MINT
CBarge2009-01-11 19:29:44
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 11, 2009, 02:03:07 PM
The housings were set aside after they were cleaned.
I focused on what is much more visible--the trim around the lenses.
With some elbow grease,polish,toothbrush and rags..Oh..and ..uh Beer! LOL
CBarge2009-01-11 19:03:28
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 11, 2009, 02:05:23 PM
Here is where the time gets well used up.
Taping.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget020.jpg)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 11, 2009, 02:10:17 PM
ALthough an airbrush is preferred,I used  rattle can flat black.
Trick here is to paint light--not heavy.
Then remove the tape before the paint dries.
If you let it dry,use an X-acto knife and cut along the edge of the tape so the it will not lift the paint with it. 
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget022.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget023.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 11, 2009, 02:13:12 PM
Faded lenses  at top,NOS below them.
See the difference?
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget008-1.jpg)
BTW,I have a spare pair of gaskets if anybody wants them.All four lenses came with a gasket and I used only two.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 11, 2009, 02:15:07 PM
The finished product of love,LOL.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget024.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 11, 2009, 02:17:47 PM
BEFORE:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget004-3.jpg)
AFTER:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget026.jpg)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 11, 2009, 02:23:49 PM
So,with the refreshed tail lights,NOS trim,and rechromed rear bumper ,the BoaB will have a nice rear end!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Man, they really do pop.
I can't wait to see this thing done.
With all the parts I have been gathering,assembly should be swift.
CBarge2009-01-18 23:47:50
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on January 11, 2009, 02:44:13 PM
Flappin yer gums aint gonna (http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/grd.gif) (http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/grd.gif) (http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/grd.gif) (http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/grd.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Tom Dawson on January 11, 2009, 05:32:53 PM
Great work
Tom
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 11, 2009, 09:57:59 PM
I'm voting this as #1 thread.  I love all the step-by-step pictures.  And I admire your patience.  Damn.  I get tired watching you work.  I gotta go get a beer now.....
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 12, 2009, 02:23:59 AM
Thanks,gentleman! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley14.gif)
That's a "wrap" for now until I find something else to do..(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget043.jpg)
CBarge2009-01-18 23:35:14
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 18, 2009, 06:29:46 PM
here is the right side
BEFORE:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget001-4.jpg)
AFTER;
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget041.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 18, 2009, 06:42:05 PM
My buddy Jack in Clayton,NY has a pile of NORS wiper refills lying around.14,16 and 18 inch refills.
BTW if anybody needs some PM me I can get a bunch real cheap.
I grabbed a pair for the BoaB.
The local Canadian tire used to carry refills for the old Anco "Red Button" but no longer anymore..
I will recondition the wiper arms and these are the finishing touch.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget045.jpg)
 
CBarge2009-01-18 23:43:10
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Robert Rottman on January 19, 2009, 06:44:52 AM
Very nice work there Lea...Man...You have A LOT of patience my friend. Love the way you document all the steps too. Very useful information for everyone! Thanks..
Bob
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 24, 2009, 06:35:34 PM
Remember those fugly double bladed wipers?? and in color!! (Eeewww)
Many C's get their stainless blades tossed in favor of cheap plastic one.Sometimes refills are just not available.
Regardless,neither one looks right on a C,IMHO.
CBarge2009-01-24 23:36:10
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 24, 2009, 06:39:13 PM
Luckily,the BoaB still had her original blades and arms.It was obvious that the refills were never changed since new and the car was last driven in 1974.They are just plain filthy and a good clean/detailing is in order.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget049.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 24, 2009, 06:41:57 PM
I love these old frames since they are so easy to take apart and re-assemble.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget051.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 24, 2009, 06:45:50 PM
With a little elbow grease,I polish up the parts.Stainless is so forgiving.Be sure to clean  the backside (which you will see when driving!) as well as the part everyone sees.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget054.jpg)
Clean one on top,dirty one below it:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget058.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 24, 2009, 06:50:20 PM
Once they are all cleaned up,I replace the refills.
Looking sharp and ready to install.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget057.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 25, 2009, 02:36:17 AM
You're absolutely right.  The only blades that look right are the SS ones.  Glad to see that you took the effort in such a small but important detail.  Two thumbs up!!!!
(And yes, I cringe every time I look at my flat black plastic aftermarket crappies).


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on January 25, 2009, 10:26:26 AM
My '66 NYer had the stainless Trico's with the concave foil added to the leading edge of the wiper's frame.  They were designed to catch the wind and press the wiper firmly against the glass.  Those saw many a refill over the years that I owned that car...
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on January 25, 2009, 01:59:20 PM
Mine will blind me on a sunny day!!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Robert Rottman on January 26, 2009, 06:17:23 AM
Man o Man.....You're gonna be winning some trophies with this creampuff!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif) 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on January 26, 2009, 06:30:40 AM
Wait until you see the roller set up he has for the paint job
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 26, 2009, 07:06:46 AM
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Paint-Roller (http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Paint-Roller)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Robert Rottman on January 26, 2009, 08:05:55 AM
(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/hehe.gif)(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/hehe.gif)(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/hehe.gif)How does Gerrie like you using her kitchen as resto. shop?(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/hehe.gif)(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/hehe.gif)(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/hehe.gif)
 
furyfever2009-01-26 13:18:49
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on January 26, 2009, 10:51:21 AM
Quote from: furyfever
Man o Man.....You're gonna be winning some trophies with this creampuff!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif) 
 
Gerri will eat it
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 26, 2009, 03:18:36 PM
I am building the car for me.If I do or do not get any trophies,so what.
The friends I made and people I met  and supported me on this project are priceless.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on January 26, 2009, 03:20:03 PM
Oh yer priceless OK (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Matt Aker on January 26, 2009, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: furyfever
Man o Man.....You're gonna be winning some trophies with this creampuff!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif) 
 
 
Pass the salt EH!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 26, 2009, 05:39:27 PM
More like sprinkles..
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 05:33:02 PM
New month and a new chapter in the restoration.
I have been  crossing the border so often now that the guard are asking
"Is it done yet?" (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

I gatherd up more literature and parts this trip.
I now have a complete set of guages to build me a new cluster with working clock and the RTE electronic 5 volt limiter.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 05:41:01 PM
So here here is my rebuild of the BoaB's cluster.
Actually a core I had laying around.I know for a fact the guages do not work that are in the car.I also tested these two clusters.One fuel guage works and that's it.The 5 volt limiter is junk since it pegged the fuel guage.I only had a jumper wire on it and was quickly removed before toasting the guage. All the needles were faded with the exception of the gear selector,oddly enough.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget062.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 05:43:25 PM
As usual the first step is teardown.
The faded needles are more obvious..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget070.jpg)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 05:47:45 PM
With years of dirt and grime,a good old fashioned bath is in order.
Then using toothpaste to buff out any light scratches caused by rubbing the dry dust across the lense (we all do it )
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget077.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget071.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 05:50:02 PM
Here's a "tip" on how to clean dust & dirt out of the bulb diffusers..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget079.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 05:55:28 PM
After cleaning the lense,it was still dirty--on the inside.
The car that had this probably seen a number of dirt roads.
This warranted removing the lense from the metal frame that bolts to the cluster housing.The lense is held on only by plastic molded tips.I had to use my Dremel to grind them off.How to put it together will be shown later.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget074.jpg)
 
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 05:58:44 PM
Since the metal frame is opened up,the black backgound needed freshening up to match the new guages.
I cleaned up the lense once again inside and out while the flat black was drying.
 (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget075.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 06:03:11 PM
Here are the NOS guages,speedo (New  not rolled back),and a clock I had refurbished a couple years ago.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget064.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget083.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 06:07:08 PM
Once all the guages were in I installed the RTE limiter.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget076.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget086.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 06:09:58 PM
I used a glue gun to re-attach the lense onto the metal frame.
Some spots required three hands.Vice Grips will work just right.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget085.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 06:14:23 PM
Here are two good reasons to bypass the ammeter guage.
The pen is pointing to the solder that was overheated and is gradually disappearing.The second suffered a meltdown and the studs melted the plastic body.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget081.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 06:18:10 PM
Here it is all clean,painted and purdy.
The NOS knob for the clock is icing on the cake.
CBarge2009-02-01 23:19:32
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 06:21:29 PM
BEFORE:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget059.jpg)
AFTER:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget087.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 06:26:02 PM
I wrapped it up to protect all that hard work
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget093.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2009, 06:30:25 PM
The 5 volt limiter is junk.A very thin metal wire that burns out easily.It is wrapped around a thin bimetal tang and is like a set of contact points.
When the guages get full 12 volts,they are permanently damaged.
This is the reason I spent the 50 bux on the electronic limiter--to protect my NOS guages.
This one was junk so I opened it up for giggles.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget094.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 02, 2009, 01:08:02 PM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

All in all,it took me roughly 4 hours off and on to do the job.
Not only does it look sharp,I know that it will function properly.
 
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Post by: Ken on February 02, 2009, 01:10:52 PM

Nice work, Lea! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
OT, can you recommend some place where I can get the seal for the rear quarter window of a fasttop?  Mine are toasty and leak pretty bad when I go through a car wash or major down pour (the latter hasn't happened YET (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)).

Moesy2009-02-02 18:11:05
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 02, 2009, 01:29:41 PM
The fastops have the rear window glued in--no weatherstripping.
Chances are the glass wil have to come out and repair any rust damage under it.
I will be using the urethane that glass shops use to re-install the glass.The black goop that you can buy at autoparts stores that sell bodyshop supplies,etc. Comes in caulking tubes.
Hope this helps.
CBarge2009-02-02 18:31:01
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Post by: Ken on February 02, 2009, 01:38:13 PM

Uh,meant the window glass that is behind the doors on the side. 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/13/Chaz-August-07-2008_001.jpg)
I can pull the strip at the leading edge of the glass out of the channel right now!
The pieces I got from Bernbaum's are wrong (too short length-wise, and they have an "L", whereas the strips I'm trying to replace don't).


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Post by: Robert Rottman on February 02, 2009, 05:14:50 PM
You know Leaburn....Your posts are just filled with valuable information. Thanks for taking the time to do this.  I never knew that toothpaste takes the fine scratches out of the gauges clear plastic cover. Thanks...I appreciate it.
Bob
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 02, 2009, 05:41:34 PM
Moesy PM sent
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Post by: Brian on February 02, 2009, 09:56:39 PM
Quote from: furyfever
You know Leaburn....Your posts are just filled with valuable information. Thanks for taking the time to do this.  I never knew that toothpaste takes the fine scratches out of the gauges clear plastic cover. Thanks...I appreciate it.
 
Oh sure cheap old tooth paste..(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)..I use mothers mag wheel polish first on the lenses, if they have serious scratches...like exterior lenses usually do... then hit them with mother plastic cleaner and polish.
 
Looking good Lea....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 03, 2009, 02:13:45 AM
Quote from: thrashingcows
Oh sure cheap old tooth paste..(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif).. 
Hey! I am on a budget!!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
The Mother's products can run up to ten bux a jar.
Colgate? 69 cents!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley14.gif)
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Post by: firedome on February 03, 2009, 03:36:38 AM
3M also makes a scratch remover for clear plastic that may work well... I've had great luck with their products...

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 12, 2009, 03:57:03 PM
I did some research on the dealership that sold the BoaB new and has been closed for only four years.
The owner is nowhere to be found and probably any information on the car is lost.
The reason I pursued it was to get another dealer tag.
I went to plan B
At my work we have a guy we hire to do lettering in and around the shop.
A little high strung but very well talented.
I do not know which is shorter,his attention span,memory, or his patience.
But he does excellent work.
I cut out the dealer tag from the trunklid and gave it to him to reproduce one for me.
I wanted it so to show that it is a part of the car's history.A fine detail like that does stand out.
It was in pretty rough shape and he could not use his scanner to copy it.He ended up doing it by hand.
Not cheap,but awesome.Plus I have copies for anyone else.
I know he can do any dealer tag.
I am not the only one that is crazy about the finer details.
Take a look at his work.
This is what he had to work with:
 (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/BargeonaBudget046.jpg)
This is what he made from it:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/BargeonaBudget100.jpg)
CBarge2009-02-12 21:20:24
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 12, 2009, 04:01:37 PM

Damn he's ggod.  Looks like it was done on a computor.

GREAT job.
And your attention to the details is mind boggling. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)

Commando12009-02-12 21:03:06
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 12, 2009, 04:18:22 PM
The draft was done by hand,then he did the rest on his pooter.
He kept the files,etc so he can do more.
CBarge2009-02-12 21:19:12
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Post by: firedome on February 14, 2009, 08:10:23 AM
That is outstanding!! You are right, the small stuff like that is what
sets really exceptional cars apart... so Lea,  are you aiming for
Hershey with this thing now?  It's that age old problem, you start
a resto job and then find out you're just tempermentally unable 
do it half-a_sed!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 14, 2009, 08:27:36 AM
I did halfass before and not going that route this time.
She's a 1:1 scale model kit but with a difference--I will be able to drive it!
I am doing it for myself and sure I will go to shows--but for fun and to share it with everybody and see their reactions.
If I do not get a trophy that's fine--I am not in it to compete.
I am in competition with myself and no one else. 
All  the things I did not do --or was not confident doing-on the New Yorker,I am doing to the BoaB.Pushing myself and "the envelope" so to speak.
The support and praise I get sharing it with everyone here on the web only pushes me more to finish this car the way  I want it.
It is the friends I have made here here that drives me,realizing a childhood dream--restoring my favorite car-- a 68 Chrysler.
We all feed off each other's enthusiasm and inspiration.
For that,thanks y'all. 
**
This car will change how people will look at four door cars.
From "Nice car" (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif) and go look at the next car
To "Holy s**t! That is awesome! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif) that makes them stop and look.
 
 
Gotta go...Geri is boitchin about the NOS parts falling out of the bedroom closet...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
CBarge2009-02-14 13:38:35
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 16, 2009, 01:56:51 PM
Here are pics of a trick I read in Mopar Action.
This applies to any Mopar that has an external voltage regulator.
First go to Autozone and get a VR706 soild state elctronic voltage regulator.
Cost? 25 bux
 (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget101.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 16, 2009, 01:58:09 PM
Pop the plain shiny cap off and reveal the technotronics...
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget102.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 16, 2009, 01:59:57 PM
Your old original cover fits right onto the body of the new one...
I used a NOS cover...
 (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget103.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 16, 2009, 02:03:13 PM
POOF! done!!
Plus no more spikes or headlights dimming.As you already know I did t he MAD conversion on the car as one of the very first things I did to the car back in 2005.
This regulator will compliment the wiring upgrades.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget104.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 16, 2009, 02:16:38 PM
While I am on the topic of electrical upgrades,I purchased a new alternator.
Sure,nothing wrong with the one that car is equipped with--except it is rated only for 35 amps and it is very old so it is a ticking time bomb until it quits.
Also a dirty gungy part will clash with a freshly painted/detailed underhood area.
I bought the Powermaster "roundback" alternator.
Looks correct and has double the amps ratings.
I can run the higher output headlamps and even a nice modern stereo if I want to..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget106.jpg)
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Post by: Bill Mounteer on February 16, 2009, 05:13:52 PM


Quote from: CBarge
POOF! done!!
Plus no more spikes or headlights dimming.As you already know I did t he MAD conversion on the car as one of the very first things I did to the car back in 2005.
This regulator will compliment the wiring upgrades.

Did you know the cover is sealed to the base with thermally and electrically conductive silicone?  It must conduct electricity so that the cover will protect against electrical noise screwing up radio reception. It must conduct heat so the cover can help dissipate heat and keep the circuit cool. Finally it must seal around the cover to keep moisture out. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif)
Fury4402009-02-16 22:15:41
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Post by: Brian on February 16, 2009, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Once all the guages were in I installed the RTE limiter.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget076.jpg)
 
So who did you get this regulator through??   Was it RTE??
 
I want tot do this as well as the VR706 regulator AND the MAD wiring upgrade on the wagoon.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 16, 2009, 06:07:32 PM
Bill,I have some Permatex "Right Stuff" I will use to reseal it.
The NOS cover still has its cork gasket as well.
I left out that little detail since most of us are "hands on" and a little common sense should come naturally.(OK,OK, I forgot!!)
CBarge2009-02-16 23:17:51
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 16, 2009, 06:16:45 PM
Brian,I bought my limiter from Vans Auto.
http://www.vansauto.com/ (http://www.vansauto.com/)
Sad to say,RTE went belly up.Too bad since they offered some really trick schtuff.
http://rt-eng.com/mediawiki/index.php/RTE_E_Body_Limiter (http://rt-eng.com/mediawiki/index.php/RTE_E_Body_Limiter)
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Post by: Robert F. Brogle on February 19, 2009, 01:49:28 PM
The New Yorker needs one of those limiters. I can't get the gas guage to read right and that's the last item that needs to be changed. Why can't the '68 Chrysler dash be like the '68 Plymouth dash?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 15, 2009, 07:23:19 AM
This weekend Rusty and I started working in the garage.Basically getting the Imp and Barge out of storage to make room in ordr to work.
Earlier this winter I aquired a used forced air furnace.we gutted one corner next to my chimney and moved it there.Nights are still cold here and the heat when running will keep the shop at a steady temp.Very important when doing body work,IMO.
The back garage where I store the NYer will be a mini paint booth for the body panels (fenders,hood trunk,etc).I can keep the garge door to it open and the little man door shut so no dust will go in the main garage. 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 15, 2009, 07:23:50 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget114.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 15, 2009, 07:25:06 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget117.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 15, 2009, 07:27:19 AM
If you are wondering what that big metal door is,it is a smoker for meats and fish.My garage was built with a chimney.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget119.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 15, 2009, 07:38:17 AM
We will have to get more supplies to finish  the furnace install.
Plenty of room in the back garage to work with the car outa there..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget121.jpg)
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Post by: Steve on March 15, 2009, 07:59:54 AM
[color=#ff0000 size=7]HEEEEEEEEEEET[/color]
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Post by: Stitcherbob on March 15, 2009, 08:50:49 AM

Quote from: CBarge
If you are wondering what that big metal door is,it is a smoker for meats and fish.My garage was built with a chimney.


That's where he gets rid of the bodies.....

"that's not herbal tea your drinking....that's Herb!"

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Post by: Bill Mounteer on March 15, 2009, 10:23:50 AM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif)   Heat! Wow! I envy!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif)


Is that a gas or oil furnace?  If it's gas, you might, with a bit of fiddling install it inside the smoker. Probably have to lose the smoker door.

Very, very nice looking furnace!
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)








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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 15, 2009, 10:42:52 AM
Oil burner,Bill.High effeciency one to boot.It was in a hair salon that converted to natural gas.It worked just fine when pulled. 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Bill Mounteer on March 15, 2009, 03:49:47 PM
Well now you can recycle your own oil!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

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Post by: Ken on March 15, 2009, 04:08:13 PM
Hey! Lea, you'v got the same airfilter housing assembly mounted on your wall that I've got on Chaz...kewl! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

I'll never think of Lea the same now that I've seen what's in his garage...for some reason "The Silence of the Lambs" comes to mind..."It rubs the lotion on the body or it gets the hose" (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif)


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Post by: Robert Rottman on March 16, 2009, 06:00:16 AM
Holy Cow Lea.....That will be the hot setup! (no pun intended) I would absolutely love to have heat out in my barn...just the thought of all the insulating makes me ill though. That will be excellent!! Its good to see photos of your setup...NICE!!
Bob
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 24, 2009, 04:01:48 PM
Dropped the number's matching trans off at Larry's Transmission here in town last week..He is highly recommended by other classic car enthusiasts here.
Larry is an olf pfft who's been around transmissions for over 40 years.
He is a one man shop-so nobody can screw things up .
He knows a few tricks to make a trans work behind whatever engine/car combo you have.
Turns out someone was in there before and some repairs were done.Previous owner did hammer on this thing--like he told me.
Rear sprag is toast.Ditto reverse/low band,front drum,and clutches.
 
So it is a complete rebuild--with a few tweaks.The BoaB is a heavy car with cruiser 2.94 gears.Larry is going to match the convertor to the cam and gears I am using,do a few tricks to the valve body for firm shifts--yet not harsh.Toss the accumulator spring,increase line pressure,etc.Trans-go kit.Add the 3-2 part throttle kickdown valve (68 727's did not have it-except /6 trannies)
By far this has been a budget buster---$1450.00!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif)
But that is with quality parts-none of the cheap Chinese crap.
I wanted to pick up my trans and go elsewhere--
But he had it all apart on the bench and it is too late to bail (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
Sure I had trannies redone elsewhere cheaper-but one always leaked,and another did not last long.
You get what you pay for in some cases,IMO.
Larry ensured me with his lifelong experience that my tranny will outlast me.
No leaks,smooth shifts when babying the pedal and firm crisp shifts when I wanna mash it.He factored in the HP upgrades to the 383 and car's heavy weight.
He showed me where other shops make shortcuts to keep costs down.
He does it his way--the right way.
That I like--Even for a few extra bux.
Oh,well.I'm building my first new car--that happens to be 41 years old.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/300atJacks001.jpg)
 
 
CBarge2009-03-24 20:05:06
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Post by: Stitcherbob on March 24, 2009, 04:05:14 PM

oofaa.....Dippy 4 sale now just to pay for the trans?(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif)
stitcherbob2009-03-24 20:05:35
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 24, 2009, 04:09:24 PM
YUP.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
Even though it went into gear the few times I moved the car,Larry said if I did a service on it and drove it,it would grenade itself.
I looked at the parts and what he said made sense.
The valve body is so full of sludge it would not shift properly.
Yes there were shavings in the pan,too.
Well,I am not surprised--just sticker shocked.
I know the car will look awesome--it has to be reliable as well. 
CBarge2009-03-24 20:15:01
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Post by: Brian on March 24, 2009, 04:18:36 PM
Well like you said sometimes it worth it to pay a bit more now then to get the "cheap" deal and end up having to redo it again in a few years.
 
When I had the dual exhaust done on the wagon I probably paid more then most would have but the quality of the work was top notch and the place came highly recommended by the muscle car and hotrod crowd.  And it was a local owned small buisness so at least I knew my money waould stay in the community.
 
 
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Post by: Steve on March 24, 2009, 04:47:01 PM
Geee  and I had a real good tranny for you from a 68 too
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 25, 2009, 02:26:44 AM

Quote from: POLARACO
Geee  and I had a real good tranny for you from a 68 too
(http://www.tnalafireworks.com/images/ballbuster.jpg)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Robert Rottman on March 25, 2009, 12:38:58 PM
Change your project's name to: BWOAB
 
That will solve any future issues that "pop up" (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) What else you gonna do with your money anyways? (Don't let Gerri see that) Really though...$1400-1500.00 to rebuild a tranny sounds about right!...and if he's as good as you say...it sounds like a deal. You will have a Newport rocketship at the end of your foot! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)
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Post by: Steve on March 25, 2009, 12:41:31 PM
No Bob
 
WOBOAB
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Post by: Steve on March 25, 2009, 12:42:16 PM
[/QUOTE]
 
I do!  I DO! Have a 68 trans from a new Yorker with 68,000 miles on it and it was taken care of.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 25, 2009, 01:08:16 PM


Quote from: POLARACO
No Bob
 


WOEIZWEEBEE





stitcherbob2009-03-25 17:08:30
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Post by: Steve on March 25, 2009, 04:23:29 PM
It's more like (and I'll do a Glenn here)
 
IspenttoomuchbecauseIwantedtoo.
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 25, 2009, 05:46:22 PM
More like listening to my neighbour who makes 100K a year..(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 25, 2009, 08:27:22 PM
what's 100K in non-metric units?

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Post by: glen cyr on March 25, 2009, 08:50:53 PM
100K is $100,000 Canadian Dollars,...which converted to US dollars @81 pennies on the dollar,..minus the FEE's they charge us @ the Banks,...well...it = about $50.00 US,......or enough to buy us a Double/Double at Tim Horton's and a 24 of Molsons...EH.!!!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) 

Glen owatajrkiam2009-03-26 00:52:40
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 30, 2009, 05:20:50 PM
Things have been busy here .
Since March I have been told by my DR that I am type 2 Diabetes,high blood pressure,high cholesterol.
PHOOEY!
After changing my diet,exercise,and cut down the beer intake,I had lost 11 pounds and got the BP down to normal.
I have been experimenting with what foods jack up my sugar level,etc.
Sugar levels are usually around 6.7 on average.Diabetic? I have friends who are diabetic and hover around 17 or higher.
Anyhoo.
My house has been busy as well.I have my Mom and her patient staying here.
Add to that my 15 year old nephew is here foe the summer
Needless to say, my day starts AFTER I leave my work.
That pretty much wrote off any spare time for the BoaB.
Until-now.
My holidays are here and I will put my nephew to work.
We cleared the garage and got the BoaB on tire dollies and pushed her away from the wall .
My Dippy is getting a well deserved rest since I brought the Hemi C home.She will be back in action when the snow flies.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget122.jpg)
 
 
 
 
 
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 30, 2009, 05:23:38 PM
Finally bailed out my transmission.Took a while but it is home,rebuilt and ready to install.
Looks purdy,too
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget124.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 30, 2009, 05:26:02 PM
Now that my "swamper" can cut the grass,do  the garbage,etc.I can focus on  the sheetmetal that needs to be stripped,primed,painted.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget123.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 30, 2009, 05:28:07 PM
The motor is next to go under the knife--soon.
just waiting for the right time to open her up.
I have all the seals and gaskets.We will find out if needs anything else after the guts are exumed.
 (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget127-1.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 30, 2009, 05:29:58 PM
I have been itchy like a happy customer after a night at the brothel,so I will be doing more work and updating more often.
Cheers! 
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Post by: Brian on June 30, 2009, 09:17:11 PM
Was there any issue with the motor before?  I thought it ran pretty well didn't it?
 
I would just clean it up, re gasket adn seal it and drop it back in...heck the 440 in the wagon is un rebuilt and probably ahs close to 100K miles on it and it runs like a champ.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 02, 2009, 07:07:14 AM
Just want to open her up just in case we do find any surprises.I am going to change all gaskets and freeze plugs.
Yes it ran well,but I do plan on putting some miles on the car and want to be reliable.
Just pull one rod cap,one main bearing cap for inspection when we have the oil pan off.I am doing a windage tray ,so two birds killed off with one stone.
 
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 02, 2009, 05:52:24 PM
A little bit of gasoline and the undercoating residue is gone..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget135.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 02, 2009, 05:56:17 PM
FYI,Chrysler did paint half of the inner fenders black in 1968.
The outer portion that you cannot see is black--and so is the part that is directly against the firewall.(which I already had stripped.This is where most of the rust would appear.) 
Note the shiny gloss black.Ths is directly behind the wheel lip of the right fender.
CBarge2009-07-02 22:58:57
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 02, 2009, 06:01:29 PM
Even though you will not really see it,here is the finished outer half if the inner fender.
Rust convertor,and Tremclad gloss black rust paint.(Rustoleum in the U.S.)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget134.jpg)
 
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 02, 2009, 06:05:15 PM
Stripped cleeeeeen
Still have to clean some small spots before epoxy primer.
This part will be more show quality since it will get seen under the hood.Amazingly,I found no rust out.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget133.jpg)
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Post by: Steve on July 02, 2009, 06:40:59 PM
The rust converter you are talking about. . .Is that the Brown Primer they have?
 
That is the stuff that's like Iron
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 04, 2009, 07:20:57 PM
Made by Rust Check and in spray bombs.Turns bare metal black with a paintable surface.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 04, 2009, 07:23:24 PM
Spent today finishing the right side inner fender.
I ran out of paint and will have to do a second coat Monday when I get more.
Looks purdy and sad to say it will get coverd up in undercoating -at least the outside of it.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget136.jpg)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 13, 2009, 03:04:10 PM
I stripped the 26" rad core support this past weekend.
No rot out--just surface rust from where the battery leaked  years ago.This part was donated to me by Mosey
The original 22" core will be hung on the wall for now.
A big thanks to Rusty who did the painting.
Before:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget150.jpg)
Stripped:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget151.jpg)
Primed & painted:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget157.jpg)
All that's left is to paint the black out facing the grille.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget155.jpg)
 
CBarge2009-07-13 22:38:59
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 13, 2009, 03:11:11 PM
The fender I painted was messed up.
After Rusty inspected it,I sanded it down smooth to the primer.
He repainted it and was to his satisfaction.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget146.jpg)
Rusty's work:
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget154.jpg)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 13, 2009, 03:14:54 PM
The original left fender did appear to be in good shape....
That is until I separate the two halves and it is blown out at the seam.
Typical since this is where battery acid,salt,sand gets stuck and eats between the two layers of metal.The rot was over 6 inches down the edge and around the mounting holes--not worth fixing,IMHO>
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget142.jpg)
CBarge2009-07-13 21:16:16
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 13, 2009, 03:22:00 PM
So I turned to the spares I had.More surface rust and pitting,but not rotten.The paint is so thin,that's why it flashed up.
Once again,I did  the prep,and left the painting to the professional --my buddy Rusty,LOL 
Painted better than the factory ever did.. 
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget143.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget156.jpg)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 13, 2009, 04:10:06 PM
All the hardware removed from the fenders,and rad core,were soaked in the Ultra One solution.
I bought this parts washer real cheap and the Ultra One works better when it is in motion.
 Old new hardware in old new fenders..Heh heh
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget144.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Ken on July 13, 2009, 05:21:48 PM
Hey, I recognize that radiator yoke! Glad you're able to put it to good use finally (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 27, 2009, 03:54:59 PM
Here it is upside down and black out treatment..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/familyandfriends052.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 27, 2009, 03:58:53 PM
This may be overkill,but only for the good..
I used seam sealer between the two layers of inner fenders to help keep moisture out of  between them.Thus reducing the chance of rust-out.Ditto the gaps at the bolts.
Next is the new control arm splash shields,and rubberized undercoating.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/familyandfriends051.jpg)
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Post by: Steve on July 27, 2009, 07:47:07 PM
Here's the 64 dollar question
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ready?
 
 
 
 
 
 
Is it done yet?
 
Lookin good
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on July 31, 2009, 12:20:49 PM
Looking Good...Hey Leaburn can you get that Ultra-one up here in the great white north or did you have to crotch that jug across the border.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 31, 2009, 03:36:09 PM
Quote from: thrashingcows
Looking Good...Hey Leaburn can you get that Ultra-one up here in the great white north or did you have to crotch that jug across the border.
On my last visit to Joisey,I ran it across the border in the trunk of the New Yorker in moonshine jugs..
CBarge2009-07-31 20:39:26
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Post by: Steve on August 01, 2009, 03:08:41 PM
He drank it
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Post by: Brian on August 01, 2009, 04:22:47 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
He drank it

 
Ahhh...That's why it has the yellowish tint to it...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 23, 2009, 06:42:02 PM
With the front clip ready to install,I wanted to get into the 383 and freshen it up,and install in the car before the clip goes on.
Well,it is surprising that the motor ran at all.
The rust found in the water jackets is something like was pulled from the Titanic..Notice the heater hose hole plugged solid..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget174.jpg)
CBarge2009-08-23 23:42:26
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 23, 2009, 06:44:45 PM
So I investigate even further.
Not good.
Only a hot tank can clean this crap out..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget180.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 23, 2009, 06:48:18 PM
I knocked out the freeze plugs..I found a sludgey coolant green and black...
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget184.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget190.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 23, 2009, 06:50:09 PM
Coolant looks more like oil..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget183.jpg)
I hope the block is not cracked.Magnaflux is not an option--it is a requirement.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 23, 2009, 06:53:11 PM
Well,I then flushed the crap (literally no pun intended) out of the block,first with the garden hose and then pressure washer.
Big chunks of crap came out.Notice how much is on my garage floor--and that is only half of it!!
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget191.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget192.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 23, 2009, 06:56:59 PM
I pulled the intake off and noted the famous insulation between it and  the turkey pan.
Somehow there is water in the valley.Possibly from years of sitting in the freeze and thaw..Or a head gasket going maybe?
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget176.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget177.jpg)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 23, 2009, 07:00:28 PM
The cam is OK,but some lobes are showing wear.
Not bad for 62,000 miles.
I was planning on swapping a Comp Cam 268H anyways..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget179.jpg)
 
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 23, 2009, 07:04:07 PM
MY biggest shock is the amount of sludge in the oil pan.
Keep in mind the car sat for 31 years and then I get it running.
It is amazing I did not lock up the damn thing.
The oil pick-up was UNDER the sludge and the screen was PLUGGED solid.
Remember way back in the beginning  I had to POKE the oil drain plug hole to do an oil change? Well here's why..
CBarge2009-08-24 00:12:25
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 23, 2009, 07:07:31 PM
Well,I am out of beer,time and energy.
But one can dream..
Just for giggles I mocked up my 301 4bbl intake,HP logs,750 Eddy,and dual snorkel air cleaner with the correct HP valve covers.
Notice that the factory fuel pump was installed and then engine was painted.That came up after I pressure washed the engine.
Looks like a complete teardown is needed to fix the oiling and cooling problems.
This motor is going to be sumptuos--sumptuos opening her up might as well hone,re-ring and new bearings (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)
CBarge2009-08-24 00:16:18
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on August 24, 2009, 02:30:32 AM
 
 
Someone wasn't thinking with his dipstick, Jimmy...
 
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Fxfjqk5LDqY/SZzMmqn-S-I/AAAAAAAAAWA/5YF7n2Qf7eg/s320/think+with+your+dipstick.jpg)
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Post by: Robert Rottman on August 24, 2009, 06:38:14 AM
Holy great big gobs of greasy grimey gopher guts Batman! You really have your doctorate in FLUSHING there Leaburn! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif) She be beautiful when you (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif) 
 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: glen cyr on August 24, 2009, 01:11:10 PM
Quote from: CBarge
I knocked out the freeze plugs..I found a sludgey coolant green and black...
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget184.jpg)
Well........you could turn it into this to make a little more spending money to put into the engine! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/26/GQSBUDCAU1YEHLCAPFTBJWCANPERCLCA32ZWF5CAC6XIFZCAAWA4LICAQAYLMTCAJ27IV4CAVW2BO5CA1ZE40QCAXJD1C4CA6HUQ5YCAL7OF71CAHBI5MCCAUFKA62CA986BLFCA53UBYDCAN6ETO1CAX47KHW.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on August 24, 2009, 02:43:55 PM
Wow that is some crazy sludge!!  I agree a tear down is in order...maybe a hot tank of the block too?
 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 24, 2009, 03:01:18 PM
Yup.Hot tank date is in order.
What you cannot see is what can bite you in the butt.
After this discovery,I can understand the threads about  overheating and the rad/heater core.water pumps been replaced.
 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on August 24, 2009, 03:34:51 PM
That sludge isn't from over heating though. . .Most likely it's from neglect and using cheap oil .
 
POLARACO2009-08-24 20:35:24
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 24, 2009, 04:18:38 PM
That I know.
It did not overheat when it was running.In fact the motor ran very well.
The coolant crap is from years sitting dormant.
It is best to take care of problems before they happen-- instead of just jamming the motor in the car and drive the pee out of it--it certainly would not last,IMHO>
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on August 25, 2009, 05:37:57 AM
I'd agree a complete take apart is wise - don't like the look of that
grey sludge... I'd expect to see possible journal/bearing wear. Fixable
at least. 383s are tougher than 440s in my experience.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 25, 2009, 07:22:24 AM
Tonight,James, my engine guy,will inspect the bottom end.
We will see how it goes.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jason Goldsack on August 29, 2009, 03:44:43 AM
I would suggest the high volume oil pump..  The one in my 400 have served me well for 12 years.. and I know it will always get oil and lots of it.

I run the M-1 Dual plane with great results on the 361.. look identical to the 383 magnum intake.  I run the 383 magnum cam.. and still got 16 mpg all the way to the nationals.

Good info.. once I get a nice garage to work in.. the Windsor will get a good repaint and cleaning too.


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Post by: Steve on August 29, 2009, 06:21:58 AM
Let me correct that
 
high pressure, high volume.  They make them now too
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on August 29, 2009, 06:53:14 AM
That's right.. the one in my 400 is at 85 to 90 psi at idea.. and don't think of starting the engine with the valve covers off... WOW..




Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on August 29, 2009, 07:14:01 AM
It's pretty ugly. . .   Stand back!
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Post by: Rich on August 29, 2009, 07:46:12 PM

Quote from: firedome
I'd agree a complete take apart is wise - don't like the look of that
grey sludge... I'd expect to see possible journal/bearing wear. Fixable
at least. 383s are tougher than 440s in my experience.

I agree: the 383 and 400 have a very good rod length to stroke ratio. This gives much less side loading and far less bore wear. That's why you can often just hone the 383 block and reuse it, where the 440's almost always have to be bored out .020-.030.  The 383's smaller main bearings have a slower bearing speed and so are less prone to getting spun at high rpms.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jason Goldsack on August 30, 2009, 04:41:12 AM
Good time to build a 452 stroker...That would look stock.. and make that C FLY...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley27.gif)
Do you have a 440 crank to slide in there?


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 30, 2009, 11:57:50 AM
Car is going to be a cruiser.
So just a basic refreshening on the menu.
Remember, I am supposed to be on a budget.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jason Goldsack on August 30, 2009, 12:17:49 PM
I know.. but wouldn't that be fun? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

So basically just a hone and re-ring? Will you bother to check the bore taper or just put it back together?


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 30, 2009, 01:41:13 PM
Hot tank
Magnaflux check for cracks
Polish crank
Hone cylinders
new rings,bearings
upgrade cam
new timing chain
New water pump,fuel pump,oil pump & pick up
Lash valves,new oil seals,new valve springs
I also have a bunch of NOS to go in the engine bay that will show really well.
My rebuild may run between 1500.00 to 2500.00 depending on what is needed.
Will see when I get it down to machine shop. 
Basically it will not see over 5 grand RPM so a basic rebuild should be fine.---Besides it was running before I tore into it.
 
CBarge2009-08-30 18:42:46
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on August 30, 2009, 02:03:14 PM
Very true.. My 361 had 93 000 miles and just needed a re-ring.. and now has 115 000 and still runs great

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on August 31, 2009, 05:54:05 AM
Quote from: CBarge
Hot tank
Magnaflux check for cracks
Polish crank...
 
I don't think that Polish crank will be a good idea. 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 31, 2009, 07:22:14 AM
Polish sausauge??
CBarge2009-08-31 12:23:13
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jason Goldsack on August 31, 2009, 08:28:20 AM
I always think you should micro-polish the crank and chamfer the oil holes just to make sure there will always be good oil to the bearings.




Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Rich on September 01, 2009, 08:30:50 PM

Quote from: CBarge
Hot tank
Magnaflux check for cracks
Polish crank
Hone cylinders
new rings,bearings
upgrade cam
new timing chain
New water pump,fuel pump,oil pump & pick up
Lash valves,new oil seals,new valve springs
I also have a bunch of NOS to go in the engine bay that will show really well.
My rebuild may run between 1500.00 to 2500.00 depending on what is needed.
Will see when I get it down to machine shop. 
Basically it will not see over 5 grand RPM so a basic rebuild should be fine.---Besides it was running before I tore into it.
 

Sounds like a good inexpensive rebuild-- 383's will run a long time with a simple job like that.  However, I'd replace those old rod bolts with new ARP ones - the stock bolts don't like being re-torqued and can easily get over stretched and fail. Cheap insurance.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 02, 2009, 07:21:58 AM
Thanks for the tip,Krautmaster.
I will put ARP rod bolts on my list.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 02, 2009, 07:51:31 AM
I'm not making the same mistake twice.
All new ARP main, rod, and head bolts on the 440-WOB II
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: glen cyr on September 02, 2009, 09:21:58 AM
Follow the instructions very carefully on you're rod bolts! Even though i did not have a bolt stretch gauge to go by,...you can get the desired stretch by torquing,loosening and retorqing 3 times! Mine has cap screws but i'm sure the reg. bolts should be the same. Follow this to a T.!!!!

Glen
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on September 02, 2009, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: owatajrkiam
Follow the instructions very carefully on you're rod bolts! Even though i did not have a bolt stretch gauge to go by,...you can get the desired stretch by torquing,loosening and retorqing 3 times! Mine has cap screws but i'm sure the reg. bolts should be the same. Follow this to a T.!!!!

Glen
 
Good advice Glenn
 
Although, I have not done it in a while. . .  Polaraco was done once and on it's way (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 03, 2009, 04:29:46 PM
Here's what I found after pulling the heads...
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget200.jpg)
What you guys think??
35 years of sitting,with oil in the cylinders,then ran for short times.
 
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 03, 2009, 04:31:29 PM
Looky at the heads.Not bad..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget202.jpg)
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on September 03, 2009, 04:39:33 PM
Time for a boil I think.... ( i still think a nice set of Edelbrocks would look nice on that block..LOL)

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Post by: Jason Goldsack on September 03, 2009, 04:50:13 PM
What are the castings on those heads?

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Post by: Steve on September 03, 2009, 05:45:27 PM
You better get a roundness gauge.  Anythng more than 10 and consider boring it
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 03, 2009, 05:57:49 PM
Original 906 heads.Rebuilt in 1973 nd had only 1,100 miles on them.
PO claims he burnt a valve,or bent a valve..
Look closely at cyl #1 and you will see the valve hit the piston.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget201-1.jpg)
 
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Post by: Rich on September 06, 2009, 08:11:06 PM
No worries, just smooth the dent up a bit so there are no sharp or high areas, otherwise it will create a hot spot that will cause detonation /dieseling.

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 13, 2009, 03:33:09 PM
With some help from Steve this weekend we tore down the 383 to bare block.
CBarge2009-09-13 20:38:23
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 13, 2009, 04:00:34 PM
The pistons came out with needing a ridge reamer.That's a good sign.
Just a deglaze,honing and hopefully the machine shop does not find anything major.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget206.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 13, 2009, 04:02:26 PM
MY good neighbour Tom let me borrow his cherry picker while Steve was here.
I took advantage and loaded my car up for parts for the machine shop...block,crank,and properly dispose of the old fluids.
CBarge2009-09-13 21:03:18
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Post by: Rich on September 13, 2009, 07:15:24 PM

The block looks great.  I can see the #1 main bearing shell in the pics and it looks good too, so how did the crank journals look?
krautmaster2009-09-14 00:16:41
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 14, 2009, 01:12:46 AM
(http://i29.tinypic.com/263izon.jpg)
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on September 14, 2009, 02:49:58 AM
^---- Now that's funny right there.. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 14, 2009, 04:19:08 PM
Quote from: krautmaster
The block looks great.  I can see the #1 main bearing shell in the pics and it looks good too, so how did the crank journals look?
Not bad at all.
Should get away with a polish.There was no sludge on the oil chamfer holes.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 20, 2009, 04:32:10 PM
Such a nice day today I pulled out my parts cleaner and worked outside.
I degreased a bunch of parts that will need blasting and paint.
I also tore apart the p.s.pump to get it ready for the retro fit brackets,NOS reservoir and cap.Plus clean out the sludge stuck in the oil pickup.
CBarge2009-09-20 21:33:16
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 20, 2009, 04:35:28 PM
I dissassembled the distributor and cleaned it up too.
I broke one of the clips and it kept fighting me to the bitter end.Luckily I had spares and they are soaking in Ultra One.
When it goes back together,it will have Pertronix conversion kit,new vacuum advance,and a tan cap.
CBarge2009-09-20 21:39:13
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 20, 2009, 04:37:01 PM
Under the 41 years of crud,and oil,the dizzy showed a clue that it was installed (along with the fuel pump) when the engine got painted.
CBarge2009-09-20 21:37:30
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 20, 2009, 04:41:28 PM
I cleaned up the tops of the pistons.
No damage found,just usual wear and I smoothed out the dent on t he one piston fom a dropped valve.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget218.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 20, 2009, 04:44:56 PM
The fan has minor flash rust and cleaned up well.Next step is soak it in Ultra One.
There was some debate whether it was not the correct one or not.A member (ahem) claimed it should have a four blade fan-not a seven blade.
Part # 2483225 I checked the Parts Catalogue and confirmed that it is correct one for a 383 Newport without air conditioning.
I will re-use this fan instead of going with a 5 blade with a clutch.
CBarge2009-09-20 21:47:10
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 20, 2009, 04:49:03 PM
Chrysler knew how bright line workers can be, and stamped "ENGINE SIDE" on the fan....
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget215.jpg)
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Post by: Steve on September 20, 2009, 04:51:19 PM
Interesting.  Any one I've seen had a 4 blade in it.  Must be a canuck thing
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 20, 2009, 05:31:11 PM
Well I do have the "CHRYCO PARTS CATALOGUE"
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 21, 2009, 03:17:43 AM
I'm looking at my fan also.  I'm wondering: how do I find out if it's balanced or not? 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on September 21, 2009, 11:55:52 AM
Quote from: Commando1
I'm looking at my fan also.  I'm wondering: how do I find out if it's balanced or not? 


 
I fit's eating water pumps at a furious rate I'd say it's not balanced.
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Post by: glen cyr on September 21, 2009, 12:12:51 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Chrysler knew how bright line workers can be, and stamped "ENGINE SIDE" on the fan....
Here's a pic of a "NEW" fan from MP! What wrong with this picture? Quality control my A$$!!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/26/MPfan3.jpg)
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Post by: Steve on September 21, 2009, 12:31:38 PM
Got yer self a pusher there Huh?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 21, 2009, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: thrashingcows
Quote from: Commando1
I'm looking at my fan also.  I'm wondering: how do I find out if it's balanced or not? 


 

Wise guy. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
 
My engine is disassembled.  I wanna check it before I re-install it...
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Post by: Tom Dawson on September 22, 2009, 07:41:28 AM
Quote from: owatajrkiam
Quote from: CBarge
Chrysler knew how bright line workers can be, and stamped "ENGINE SIDE" on the fan....
Here's a pic of a "NEW" fan from MP! What wrong with this picture? Quality control my A$$!!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/26/MPfan3.jpg)
That is because Juan only had a 3rd grade education-can't read English and can not follow
picture diagrams(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
furyman672009-09-22 12:41:55
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 22, 2009, 09:44:43 AM
Am I missing something here? (http://www.massmopar.com/yabb/Smilies/idontknow.gif)
 
 
Quote
...What's wrong with this picture...
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/26/MPfan3.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on September 22, 2009, 11:16:31 AM
Yeah. . .  The fan is backwards.  The flats should be out
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 22, 2009, 01:23:46 PM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Post by: Stitcherbob on September 22, 2009, 03:36:29 PM
serpentine belt drives run backward....could that be a REALLY NEW fan?

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Post by: Steve on September 22, 2009, 04:01:57 PM
Not always. . .it depends on the routing
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Post by: glen cyr on September 22, 2009, 04:38:41 PM
It was the 5 blade MP P4120758 viscous fan pkg. Someone put the paint marking on the wrong side! I wonder how many slipped by that idiot?  That's why it's important to check everything and not take for granted something new in the box is 100% correct as some of these parts (most of these parts) are made (OK,then.....ALL of these parts) offshore or south of the US and these guy's are in a hurry to collect the $7.50 they made for the WHOLE DAY and sit in their thatch huts and laugh about how they are.................We'll i better quit now as my blood pressure just peaked!!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/26/3ma3pb3o05Qc5Pe5R499m05ef95c8b2c91341.jpg)
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Post by: Steve on September 23, 2009, 01:44:49 PM
Well I finally got this out of the camers.  There's a skit about the 360 and I was goofing on Stan (As usual)
 
Speakers on
 
http://www.moparfins.com/d/leaburns.mpg (http://www.moparfins.com/d/leaburns.mpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 23, 2009, 04:16:09 PM
I think Stanley already knows what the inside of an engine looks like. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on September 23, 2009, 04:28:56 PM
do you have 7 or 8 cylinders?
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Post by: firedome on September 24, 2009, 04:10:23 AM
Seems like your typical resto... multiply the expected cost by 3... then add on a zero!

Was "budget" defined?!  If so, it was blown by long ago!



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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 24, 2009, 04:59:28 PM
Well,that is true.
Since its inception,I compared my "budget" to the cost of restoring a B or E body car.
With what I have into it,I am still lower than compared to a 'Cuda,or a GTX,or Charger,for example.
I have exceeded the value of the car the first year of spending money.
But this build is not about money or how better looking my car can be against another in a car show.
I am not after a trophy.
This build is much more than that.
I am living a dream of restoring one of my favorite cars of my childhood.
It is how much work I can do myself--and also with lots of help from friends without having to hire a shop to do ALL the work.  
It is about restoring a car that has little or no support in regards to reproduction sheetmetal and/or parts.
Not many catalogues on rubber parts or trim for this car either. 
I like the challenge --the thrill of the hunt.
It is about the people you meet,friends you make.
People have been inspired by following this thread.
At the same time,the praise and influence I recieve from others inspire me to keep working on a car that has no real collector value yet it will be the nicest 4 door hardtop I will ever do.
I do not know everything.
I am a good listener and take constructive critism and solid advice equally.
I want to thank everybody who has been following and this forum has always been good to me.
Barge on a Budget  today means it is on a budget--it gets what I can afford after everything els is taken care of,LOL!!
CBarge2009-09-25 22:20:51
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Post by: Steve on September 24, 2009, 05:04:58 PM
I'll ditto that!


My 62 Chryslers are my dreams too.  I am glad I was a small piece of the Barge Lea.  After all, you've contributed to a couple of mine. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
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Post by: firedome on September 25, 2009, 03:35:17 AM
I couldn't agree more - I was just yankin' yer chain Leaburn! :-)
  I too prefer underdogs - hence my love of station wagons (had 4
Fusey wagons and a '57 Plym) and 4 drs (too many to count!)...  My
DeSoto bottom-of-the-line 4 dr hardtop was the model I'd been looking
for for 25 years, and the current search is for a solid '70/71 Fury III
4 dr sedan... not mainstream choices! WHO in their right mind would
restore a fuselage Four door?  Have to do it myself for love and
lack of $$. Well, it's all about the nostalgia, my daily driver for 5
years, my son came home from the hospital in a green one (of course),
and it was the best car I've ever owned!!  BTW I may have
something to report in that vein later on today - News at 11!



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Post by: firedome on September 25, 2009, 03:37:25 AM
Back to topic (sorry) - Lea there is a '67 and '68 in that yard nearby me if there's something you're missing yet.

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 25, 2009, 05:19:28 PM
Thanks,Firedome.
I currently have enough parts to support both 68's that I have.
I need to get my passport in gear so I can cross the border.
But I am always lurching.
When scrap was high,I grabbed as much as possible before the cars got crushed.
Then I found E-bay-and maxed out credit cards as a result!! LOL (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 27, 2009, 09:30:48 AM
OK,I had time to take apart the heads.
All looks well to the naked eye yet I am not sure what to look for.
Some of the valves were very tight to pull out.Some fell out.
 (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget222.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 27, 2009, 09:34:51 AM
My neighbour Tom was kind to let me borrow his friends valve spring tool.Made the job quick and easy.Had them tore apart in less than an hour.I ziplock bagged each cylinder for further/closer inspection
I used a magnet to get the keepers out and none got lost.
The springs were strong but I am not taking any chances and they will be replaced with Comp springs.The oil umbrellas were hard as a rock and also get replaced.
The heads have to get hot tanked due to the crap in the water jackets.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget223.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 27, 2009, 09:36:53 AM
I did not see any damage to the valves yet.
Lots of carbon build up from short runs or a rich mixture.
The surface rust is from where I pressure washed everything before the teardown.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget225.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 27, 2009, 09:38:01 AM
Anyways,I got time to spare and back into the boat house...er garage to clean up more schtuff.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 27, 2009, 09:49:40 AM
You're doing your own heads?  I'd like to see lots of pics on this.  I have my heads sent out but the next time I'd like to do them.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 27, 2009, 10:07:56 AM
As mentioned before,they were rebuilt shortly before the car got parked.He burnt/dropped a valve(s) and had them done in 1973 and drove the car for 1100 miles .
35 years later I get it running.
I am basically stripping them for the hotank, clean them up and re-assemble.
The seats show no signs of damage.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget227.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on September 27, 2009, 03:53:19 PM
Lap the valves anyway
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on September 27, 2009, 03:54:31 PM
I would get a full valve job with a backcut on the valves. 

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Post by: Stitcherbob on September 27, 2009, 05:29:05 PM
Any car who's heads are apart would benefit from a 3 angle valve job. We did a mild port job and a  5 angle valve job on my Studebaker....just because we had the different size stones at our disposal.....

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 27, 2009, 05:32:17 PM
With some intake cleaner,old brush and a plastic disc on my angle grinder I got this head cleaned up.
CBarge2009-09-27 22:32:45
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 27, 2009, 05:33:32 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Lap the valves anyway
Explain that to me,pardon my ignorance.
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Post by: Stitcherbob on September 27, 2009, 05:39:15 PM

Do a valve job yourself with this:

http://www.newayts.com.au/seatguiderest.htm (http://www.newayts.com.au/seatguiderest.htm)

stitcherbob2009-09-27 22:40:07
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Post by: Steve on September 27, 2009, 06:05:31 PM
Too suffisticated Bob. . .  Not knocking it though. . .
 
POLARACO2009-09-27 23:11:58
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Post by: Stitcherbob on September 27, 2009, 06:49:11 PM

I thought it was interesting what was said:

"Grinding
            valve seats with stones is a messy process and relies heavily on the
            finesse of the operator. Because the surface of a stone is constantly
            changing as it works, it cannot create a truly flat surface which
            encourages the ineffectual process of lapping. Carbide on the other
            hand, does not change as it works, and so there is no need for lapping."

 I heard the base kit was about $250....better than paying a machine shop to do it...

Since I own a vintage Snap On valve grinding machine, I would still have to lap the valves into place, but starting with perfect seats is a plus...

stitcherbob2009-09-27 23:50:54
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Post by: Steve on September 27, 2009, 07:56:31 PM
It's definitely a better way. . I don't dispute that. . . .
 
But for what he wants, I had the answer.  Besides, he wants to do this himself and learn.  He can't get into too much trouble this way. . .
 
Regular old tooth paste might work too.  But it's got to be the regular cheap one.  No minty breath required. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on September 27, 2009, 09:27:03 PM
Chinese melamine-flavored toothpaste? With extra mercury (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

I prefer the oil-based compound, spray it away with brake cleaner when done


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Post by: Jason Goldsack on September 28, 2009, 02:48:48 AM
I only lap by hand with the wooden tool. I personally don't trust myself that i wouldn't remove too much material with a drill

This would be a great time to check the heads for flatness. Have the machine shop do this.

A back cut valve is worth almost 30 percent increase in air flow even at low lift.

Even though this isn't a race engine, the three angle valve job plus back cut valve would really help the the old C to move around. Since they are off and apart, this is the best time for the work to be done.

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/116_0612_valve_angle/photo_09.html (http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/116_0612_valve_angle/photo_09.html)



Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on September 28, 2009, 05:53:38 AM
Think you can still get compound, maybe at Snyder's Model A or the like, my uncle still gets it and does his own.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on September 28, 2009, 06:57:44 AM
even though my can of NAPA Balkamp compound is 20 years old, I'm sure you can still get it there

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on September 28, 2009, 07:29:48 AM
It's available, but you have to order it in most stores now.
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 28, 2009, 09:33:01 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VALVE-GRINDING-%26-LAPPING-COMPOUND-2219_W0QQitemZ120348280224QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VALVE-GRINDING-%26-LAPPING-COMPOUND-2219_W0QQitemZ120348280224QQcmdZViewItem)
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Post by: Steve on September 28, 2009, 10:29:59 AM
There you go Lea. . . .
 
Thanks Stan. . .Never thought about E Gay
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 28, 2009, 02:40:23 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
There you go Lea. . . .
 
E bay is Stan's other mistress...where he spends lots of time and money....LOL
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 28, 2009, 03:15:24 PM
Interesting.I think this valve lappiing business deserves its own thread.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 28, 2009, 03:22:54 PM
Anyways...
Just for reference,the fuel pump was installed prior to engine paint.
 (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget239.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 28, 2009, 03:25:20 PM
With a ScotchBrite pad,I cleaned up the distributor housing before re-assembly.
After I got it as close to as new I gave it a coat of clear laquer.
Clean and not too shiny as polished aluminum.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget228.jpg) 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 28, 2009, 03:28:22 PM
Now for the assembly.
Pertronix kit,Accel cap and rotor and a new vacuum advance..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget233.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget235.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget238.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 28, 2009, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Quote from: POLARACO
There you go Lea. . . .
 
E bay is Stan's other mistress...where he spends lots of time and money....LOL

Said the man who got screwed on the Offy intake for his flathead....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 28, 2009, 04:11:12 PM
Before Ultra one..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget232.jpg)
After Ultra One..Just needs a fresh coat of paint...
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget234.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 28, 2009, 04:14:33 PM
After 35 years of not running,rust  gets into all kinds of wierd places--like the grooves in the pulleys.
What? no sandblasting cabinet?
Just use the ol' bench grinder....
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget229.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget231.jpg)

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 28, 2009, 04:18:13 PM
One of my other favorite budget tools is this old Weider weight turntable I bought for a few bux at a local Goodwill store.
Not sure of its intended use.But...
Great  for applying even coats of paint--just turn and spray..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget237.jpg)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 29, 2009, 03:41:04 AM
Question, sir: Why did you use Ultra One on the the brackets and the bench wheel on the pullies?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 29, 2009, 07:20:58 AM
The rust on the pullies was pretty heavy and besides the belts will run on them.
I will be running NOS belts so I want to ensure a smooth ......groove.
The pulleys will look purdy for a little while for pictures,and then not exactly in a high visiblity are after the engine is re-installed.
Groovy? eh?
CBarge2009-09-29 12:23:24
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Post by: Steve on September 29, 2009, 07:22:39 AM
Should have U1'd them forst. . .then brush them
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 29, 2009, 07:25:15 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Should have U1'd them forst. . .then brush them
Did that with the alternator brackets,and dizzy clips.
Still love the schtuff.
 
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Post by: Stitcherbob on September 29, 2009, 04:06:49 PM
While talking with Dwight one day, he admitted the Ultra One is a niche product....he said it wouldn't replace Redi-Strip and wasn't for every situation, but when you need to remove rust without hurting chrome, paint, aluminum trim, mechanical and electrical components, this was the best stuff to use. And he said to use other methods to remove heavy scale that would just waste the U1 before you got any good results. Glassbeading or wirebrushing most of the rust off before soaking was his suggestion.

I told the resto shop about U1 when they got the 1911 Olds Limited engine block to unstick (was in a flood and every piston, rod and valve part was rusted solid) and it worked great! I have soaked electrical parts in it and old Lionel train locos with good results.
I soaked complete carbs in it before disassembly....distributors too.

This is what I  use for de-rusting:
1- Ultra One for mechanical assemblies, electrical, delicate stuff and light sheetmetal rust (in door skin seams it's perfect)
2- sandblasting  for heavy metal and sheetmetal (hold gun at 60-180 degrees to the surface to prevent warping)
3- glassbeading for items too delicate for sandblasting
4- a 5 gallon bucket (with lid) with 1 gallon DuPont 5717S metal prep mixed with 4 gallons water. I soak sturdy metal objects in this and not only does it de-rust, it phosphate coats the pieces, perfect for painting or plating. This bucket will last a loooong time and allows you to save the Ultra One for special stuff.


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 02, 2009, 06:10:00 PM
I painted the pulleys today..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget245.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 02, 2009, 06:11:03 PM
Then I got after the power steering pump.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget242.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 02, 2009, 06:14:17 PM
I will be replacing the old style crap brackets that keeps wobbling and the belt loose to the newer aftermarket brackets.
Also my NOS reservoir and vented cap.
CBarge2009-10-02 23:15:02
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 02, 2009, 06:20:04 PM
I used a new O-ring and sealed it with Permatex "Right Stuff"
http://www.permatex.com/products/Automotive/automotive_gasketing/gasket_makers/auto_Permatex_the_Right_Stuff_Gasket_Maker.htm (http://www.permatex.com/products/Automotive/automotive_gasketing/gasket_makers/auto_Permatex_the_Right_Stuff_Gasket_Maker.htm)
Now it looks all purdy and ready to install.
All I need is a motor to attach it to...
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget247.jpg)
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 03, 2009, 02:50:11 AM
NOS resevoir and cap.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) 
Man, the stuff you find.... (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
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Post by: firedome on October 03, 2009, 05:14:51 AM

That car is gonna be amazin' - I can't wait to see it in person one a these days!



Lea - did you know pix on the 2006 BOAB thread on CBDD are no longer
there? It said they were moved or deleted when I went back to see it
again from the start?

firedome2009-10-03 10:20:00
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 03, 2009, 01:32:05 PM
Firedome,the pics from 2006 got deleted.I had pooter problems in the past and I had to make room in the memory bank.
Luckily I saved the pics onto a CD.
I never had the chance to restore the uploads and the thread is locked down,so I cannot upload them again.
CBarge2009-10-03 18:32:30
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Post by: Steve on October 03, 2009, 03:07:48 PM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 03, 2009, 05:33:29 PM
Thanks,Steve.
Your visit got me moving again.
that and being frustrated waiting on others got me to take matters into my own hands.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 03, 2009, 05:42:17 PM
I hear you have to do that anyway (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 04, 2009, 09:04:58 AM
Quote from: Commando1
NOS resevoir and cap.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) 
Don't want to brag..But..
I scored NOS 1968 Fender Mount Turn signals.
Newport and New Yorker  only..
I paid 125.00 for the pair (shown right) but that is better than getting hosed for rotten ones for 25.00 (shown left) 
The little details is what's going to make this car POP!
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget253.jpg)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 04, 2009, 09:20:26 AM
OH,and I also scored a half dozen original vintage floor mats-the ones that are corrogated almost cardboard-like paper.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget255.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 04, 2009, 09:22:31 AM
After soaking the fuel line (from pump to filter) in U1 for a few days,I cleaned it up and shot coat some clear laquer.
CBarge2009-10-04 14:25:10
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 04, 2009, 09:27:38 AM
While the U1 is out,I threw in the turkey pan hold-down bars and shield.
Basically,I am doing one zip-loc bag at a time to avoid any confusion.
Pull a bag,in it goes.Then when cleaned up,back in the bag and stored in a box.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget248.jpg)
CBarge2009-10-04 14:30:49
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 04, 2009, 09:32:47 AM
The battery tray was U1 last year.
Whatever paint is left got stripped with Circa 1850 paint stripper.
From there it gets cleaned up and painted Turbine Bronze
CBarge2009-10-04 14:33:54
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 04, 2009, 09:35:28 AM
My valve springs came in.Perfect timing too.The heads are being hot tanked and the lapping compound is on its way.
The heads should be ready before the rest of the engine.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget252.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 04, 2009, 09:40:22 AM
Back to the boat house for more work.
Later...
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 04, 2009, 12:21:11 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Back to the boat house for more work.
Dude, you're making me look positively lazy...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 04, 2009, 02:59:49 PM
I bought a bag of glass bead for 9.99 and a blast gun for 14.99 and blasted a few parts where the U1 and the bench grinder can't do.
I did it outside but ran out of glass before I could get all of it done.
Not to mention I need to buy a sandblast suit.
That schtuff hurts!! It gets into everything--even with goggles,mask,shop coat and gloves.
I would love to have a blasting cabinet
Also my compressor is not heavy enough to keep up.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget-4.jpg)
CBarge2009-10-04 20:02:13
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Post by: Steve on October 04, 2009, 03:48:55 PM
Get a passport and bring 'em down!  I have both
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 10, 2009, 02:55:40 PM
Did a bit more painting today..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget258.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jason Goldsack on October 10, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
Sweet.. not too many nice days up here so you have to paint while you can.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 10, 2009, 03:05:20 PM
Yep...I have all next week off so I am winterizing my property and put away the Barge ands 300C.
Lots of space juggling will be going on in my garage and hopefully a bit of space left to work in.
My furnace works great in the garage and I am hoping to be out there from time to time during the hibernating months
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jason Goldsack on October 10, 2009, 03:06:58 PM
I wish I could... I don't have a garage and have to go and sit in the Windsor once and a while and go vroom vroom.. just to feel better.




Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on October 11, 2009, 05:06:31 AM
Lea, I just spread out a big tarp and blast away, then collect it and start all over again...

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on October 11, 2009, 07:12:29 AM
I also have garage heat, but the problem is so much resto involves huge
dust/dirt generating activities: painting, sandblasting or grinding
which makes breathing difficult in a pretty small enclosed space &
makes a huge mess, not to mention blowing the place up by painting with
the propane heater going...!  so I prefer to do all of that
outside, which gives me only 1/2 the year :-(

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 11, 2009, 07:49:07 AM
I have a heated garage in the winter, too.  MMmmmmm....   (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
(http://local4traffic.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/palm-trees.jpg)
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Post by: Steve on October 11, 2009, 01:17:12 PM
Instigator
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Post by: firedome on October 11, 2009, 01:47:09 PM
Prevaricator.

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Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 12, 2009, 12:59:48 AM
Quote from: firedome
Prevaricator.
I had to look that up.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Post by: firedome on October 12, 2009, 01:54:11 AM

Sorry about that, so did I... afterwards - and I was close - I actually meant
"Provocateur" e.g. to provoke-  well, ok, so after a few too many
beers, the retreival sysytem doesn't work so good. sometimes just good
enough to be dangerous. 
firedome2009-10-12 07:08:22
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Post by: firedome on October 12, 2009, 03:57:59 PM
And sorry to divert the thread... what's next to work on thru the long
dark winter? Space constraints in the standard house garage can make
things challenging.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 12, 2009, 04:09:46 PM
Yep you said it.
Check out my newest thread concerning garage space..
http://www.moparfins.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2820 (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2820)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on October 13, 2009, 05:04:29 AM
I'm thinking of going out the back wall of my 2 car and can almost
double it in size, if the town will let me go to 3 ft of my back
property line... could you expand within your yard? ... or... there's
always UP!  Then at least you could store everything possible in
an upstairs space to open up more actual working space downstairs...
here I have to move a car out to get enough space to work on the other
one, impossible in winter with snow on the ground.



Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 16, 2009, 05:48:52 PM
Got to do a little bit tonight.
Earlier this week,I soaked the licence plate light frame in U1
This  was disgusting....Someone even installed the lense incorrectly and water got into the socket.The lense was not sealed against the gasket.Bulb fell out in two pieces.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget266.jpg)
CBarge2009-10-16 23:01:06
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 16, 2009, 05:50:48 PM
Like I said,it took a week of soaking to clean it up.That includes the rinse and brush in between.
I used the bench grinder on the tabs for a good ground.
A repop lense adds to the freshness..
Note the lense is drawed tight behind the frame making a water tight seal against the new seal.
CBarge2009-10-16 22:59:08
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 16, 2009, 05:53:16 PM
I plugged in my battery charger to test the bulb--and it works!!
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget267.jpg)
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Post by: firedome on October 17, 2009, 03:30:34 AM

Dang, that was pretty pitted! U1 did that without any grinding? Did you paint it?

I gotta try that stuff!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

firedome2009-10-17 08:31:06
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on October 17, 2009, 03:39:38 AM
WOW..

Maybe you should clear coat it to protect it in the future?


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Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 17, 2009, 04:07:11 AM
Incredible before and after (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 17, 2009, 07:35:10 AM
I have a small parts washer and I run the pump while the part is soaking.U1 works better when it is moving.
I pull out the part,rinse it and use a small brush to remove any loose rust.Then it goes back into the washer.
It did take all week to get from POS to OMG
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 17, 2009, 07:51:28 AM
Quote from: CBarge
I plugged in my battery charger to test the bulb--and it works!!
 
He's probably still there staring at the light 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on October 17, 2009, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: CBarge
I plugged in my battery charger to test the bulb--and it works!!
 


 
Like a moth to the flame...someone go over there and unplug that or he'll never get back to work.
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Post by: Dan Cluley on October 17, 2009, 10:36:40 PM
Maybe if you close the garage door it goes out like a fridge?(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
We lit up Ardog's whole instrument cluster with a model train power supply.  There's just something nice about the warm glow of 12volt bulbs.
 
 
That U1 is impressive stuff. 
 
Do you have another winters worth of little indoor projects planned?
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 18, 2009, 09:41:20 AM
Yes,Dan lots in store for the winter now that I have a heated garage.
Steve is letting me borrow his front end rebuild tools so I can get that done.
Plus the engine block and related parts are ready for pick-up.Engine assembly is also on the menu.
Once the front end is rebuilt,motor and trans go in then line up all the body panels and install the front clip.
Yeah,lots to do..
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 18, 2009, 09:53:35 AM
Today,Ray came into the city to finish up a welding job.
The front frame stub had some blowout and needed repairing.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget287.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 18, 2009, 09:56:14 AM
Basically,it rusted between the bumper brackets and ate through the frame.
Luckily,the reinforcements behind the frame was in good shape.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget289.jpg)
CBarge2009-10-18 14:56:48
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 18, 2009, 09:58:24 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget293.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 18, 2009, 10:02:18 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget294.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget295.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 18, 2009, 10:07:23 AM
18 guage steel was used and Ray used flux core wire with no gas and had the MIG cranked.
Heavy metal in  the frame,LOL
Here is  the right side.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget291.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget292.jpg)
CBarge2009-10-18 15:10:02
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 18, 2009, 11:49:41 AM
That's what I call major surgery...
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 20, 2009, 04:31:56 PM
Even though I had done little work to the car itself,I fel that I am getting things done.
Today,I picked up the polished crank and parts that needed hot tanking.
Plus a good friend dropped off the 14x6 steel wheels and front brake drums I gave him this summer to get sandblasted.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget298.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget299.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 20, 2009, 04:33:22 PM
The water pump housing came out much better than anticipated.
Remember the junk in  this?
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget301.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jason Goldsack on October 20, 2009, 04:34:16 PM
WOW.. that came out really nice

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 20, 2009, 04:36:28 PM
Thanks,Jason! Actually Thank Engines Extra.
The oil pan also cleaned up real well.No more sludge.
It will get a quick shot of primer to keep the flash at bay.
Engine will get painted properly when fully assembled.
CBarge2009-10-20 21:37:15
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on October 20, 2009, 04:45:00 PM
What was the reason for the number stamped in the pan.. was it just part of a part number?

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 20, 2009, 04:51:35 PM
Thursday I have a day off from work and will be bring the 383 home.
It did not need to be bored.
Money saved by re-using original pistons.
Crank came out very nice with chamfered oil holes,and a polish-so standard bearings have been ordered. 
That is good news-and keeps the cost of the rebuild low.
Cylinder #4 had the most wear,but with new moly rings it will be fine.
The brass bushing for the distributor shaft was replaced and so were the cam bearings.Oil holes are lined up perfect.
Being an employee of the same company that owns the machine shop,I got good pricing.
Total parts (rings,bearings,freeze plugs for the heads,etc.)
will be 386.00
Machine labour will be 3 hours or 150.00
Cam kit cost 325.00
Valve springs 100.00
Engine gasket kit 40.00
So all total roughly 1000.00
CBarge2009-10-20 21:52:35
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 20, 2009, 04:56:25 PM
Now the heads....
They do not need any major machine work.
Shawn and Karl at the machine shop were impressed with the condition of the heads in general.
But the sludge in the water jackets was terrible.
So an extended dip in the hot tank and some blasting was needed.
They will get planed,remove the broken studs and clean them up.
I gave them the valves to throw in the tank and also check the valve guides.
I get them back Thursday as well.
CBarge2009-10-20 21:59:26
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Post by: 300rag on October 20, 2009, 05:50:00 PM
Quote from: CBarge






 
 
STANLEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
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Post by: Steve on October 20, 2009, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: 300Rag
Quote from: CBarge






 
 
 
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I almost got roped into doing the bottom end next week for him.
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 21, 2009, 03:15:53 AM
You're an (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif)hole, Hobby....
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 21, 2009, 07:00:07 AM
You finally discovered my real name huh? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 21, 2009, 07:10:16 AM
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Post by: Steve on October 21, 2009, 07:32:00 AM
leaburn
 
75 pages . . . I'm not going to say it
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Post by: Stitcherbob on October 21, 2009, 11:08:48 AM
"War & Peace & C Bodies"

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 21, 2009, 04:16:21 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
leaburn
 

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Is it done yet?????
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Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 22, 2009, 05:22:29 PM
Picked up the engine,heads and parts today...
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget310.jpg)
Some assembly required..
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 22, 2009, 05:34:12 PM
It was a good thing I brought in the valves.A few worn out exhaust valve guides had to be fixed.
Other than that everything is ready to be assembled.
Cant wait I am excited.
 
Staaaannnnlleeeee!!  (http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wrench.gif) (http://javascript:void%280%29)(http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nervous.gif) (http://javascript:void%280%29)  (http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif) (http://javascript:void%280%29)(http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif) (http://javascript:void%280%29)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 22, 2009, 08:12:28 PM
So does that mean I have to bring my tools?  Or can I just relax after breaking my back with that boat anchor you have me bringing? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on October 23, 2009, 03:19:38 AM
Purdy!  Nothing like a nice clean start. 

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 23, 2009, 03:23:34 AM
Quote from: CBarge
Staaaannnnlleeeee!!  (http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wrench.gif) (http://javascript:void%280%29)(http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nervous.gif) (http://javascript:void%280%29)  (http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif) (http://javascript:void%280%29)(http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif) (http://javascript:void%280%29)
Yes????????????
 
Lea, I'm going to show you the neatest little tool you'll ever have in your toolbox.
Absolutely invaluable if the intake manifold is still on and you want to extract or install the distributer gear properly aligned.
 
 
You'll need:
Aprox. 18" of PVC pipe
(1) PVC pipe union
(1) 8" ty-wrap
(http://i34.tinypic.com/2edtb3t.jpg)
 
Make a small chamfer at one end of the pipe
(http://i33.tinypic.com/nc0f4h.jpg)
 
Lay the ty-wrap onto the chamfer
(http://i37.tinypic.com/o5cmlg.jpg)
 
Install the union
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2ns1l43.jpg)
 
Insert the dizzy gear into the union.  It's a 'jam' fit.
Align the slot on the dizzy with the ty-wrap. 
(http://i34.tinypic.com/1zlx1xg.jpg)
 
The best distributer gear installation tool in the world and
it cost next to nothing.
Commando12009-10-23 09:47:30
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 23, 2009, 04:28:22 AM
Quote from: CBarge

 
.and if you don't use all new bolts...
(http://i33.tinypic.com/24103ye.jpg)
 
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Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 23, 2009, 06:30:28 PM
Quote from: Commando1
Quote from: CBarge

 
.and if you don't use all new bolts...
 
STAAAANNLEEE!!
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget313.jpg)
CBarge2009-10-23 23:30:51
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 23, 2009, 06:34:34 PM
Seriously,Stan,thanks for the tip.
Steve and I was talking about how to index the shaft to cylinder #1 for the dizzy.I will be doing it with the intake/heads off.
 
 After viewing the carnage from your RV 440 there no question about using new bolts.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 23, 2009, 06:38:02 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
So does that mean I have to bring my tools?  Or can I just relax after breaking my back with that boat anchor you have me bringing? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
....If you are volunteering..Besides you took it apart..Heh Heh
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Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 23, 2009, 06:42:42 PM
Ugh
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 23, 2009, 06:54:59 PM

Well,at least I can put something together...LOL (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley27.gif)
I have new heater hose nipples,NOS Hot/Cold temp sending unit,NORS thermostat housing and a slightly used water pump.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget314.jpg)
 
CBarge2009-10-23 23:55:19
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 23, 2009, 06:56:53 PM
The heads are purdy..I will have them put together this weekend.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget319.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 26, 2009, 04:43:21 PM
Did some more work yesterday.
I primed and painted things that were sand blasted.
Gloss black on the rims,and Duplicolor cast iron paint on the front drums.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget327.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 26, 2009, 04:50:00 PM
The oil pan and timing cover are in primer to protect them,and will get painted when the engine is finally assembled.
I got inspired by a TV show and "detailed" the water pump housing.
I used my Dremel tool and angle grinder to remove any casting lines and extra flash.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget323.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 26, 2009, 04:51:10 PM
Looks good here.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget324.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 26, 2009, 04:55:05 PM
Water pump and stat housing installed.
Primed and a thin coat of paint.
Final coat when it is all assembled
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget325.jpg)
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Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on October 26, 2009, 06:41:21 PM
But will it run?(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 01, 2009, 02:31:45 PM
No pics,but I spent most of my spar etime this weekend cleaning up every nut and bolt pertaining to engine assembly.
I soaked them in my parts cleaner,and if they are rusty soaked afterwards in the Ultra One.
After that,I cleaned up the threads on the bolts.Some had a fair bit of rust/dirt built up and I want no risk of cross threading,or false torque settings.
I do have new ARP bolts for the rods,mains,and heads.
All the zip-lock bags I used during dismantling now have shiny clean hardware in them.
I did one bag at a time so not to get anything mixed up.
I also removed the piston rings today.The compression rings were stuck and all the rings on #7 were stuck and badly carboned up.
For now I have the pistons soaking on my parts cleaner to make cleaning of  the grooves easier.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on November 01, 2009, 04:14:58 PM
Did you leave the rods in the pistons or did you disassemble them?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 01, 2009, 06:25:46 PM
Rods are still with the pistons.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 05, 2009, 01:29:12 PM
Went to Roblin's Garage today to get a NOS fuel pump.
30 bux for a Carter still in the box.No Chinese pump here.
 (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget330.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 05, 2009, 01:34:57 PM
When I got there,he was busy with another customer.
Gerri and I had to wait for a while.
I used my time just looking around.The place is a living car parts museum.
Eventually Lawrence got to me and I managed to get one of these cool parts boxes off of him after I spotted it..
He had to empty it out before I took it!! LOL!!
You dont see these often and not in this good shape!!
 (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget332.jpg) 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 05, 2009, 01:36:50 PM
I also scored these J14Y plugs in a Chrysler Parts box .
Complete with ten plugs,sticker and warranty cars (prolly expired by now,LOL)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget338.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on November 05, 2009, 02:35:59 PM
Don't let Mitchell  know about'em....
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on November 05, 2009, 04:23:43 PM
We've had bad luck with NOS or very old fuel pumps (like at Kanters)....the diaphragms dry out on the shelf

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on November 05, 2009, 05:06:44 PM
That's because allot of Kanters inventory is a buyout of a buyout of a buyout and then not stored correctly.  He has buildings loaded with junk and just keeps buying more.  He rapes you for the latest in Hong Cong, grinding and repainting parts to hide their origan.  And Snotty wants to know why I don't like him.
 
I have no idea how that man can sleep at night. . .  Well at least he hasn't stuffed any boats in trees of painted any old cop cars with "Mind Control" on them. . .   I think he got the message after the last head on he did with me.
 
POLARACO2009-11-05 22:07:36
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on November 06, 2009, 03:57:18 AM
Lea I just got a brand new fuel pump from NAPA that looks identical and is "Made in USA". Also a metal can fuel filter.



Not a big fan of Champion plugs, we had a lot of trouble with them in outboards at the marina. I swear by NGK. 



Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 06, 2009, 01:45:50 PM
I use NGK in my cars.
The NOS ones are just conversation pieces.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on November 06, 2009, 08:03:51 PM
Nice scores Leaburn!!
 
Hey Lea I swear I saw the BOAB yesterday while driving around doing my deliveries...Wish I'd had my camera handy as we passed oppisite directions in slow rush hour traffic.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
It was a 68 Newprt 4dr...same color exterior, interior, 14" with the same hubcaps.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on November 07, 2009, 05:33:15 AM
NGK's don't impress me
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on November 07, 2009, 06:11:37 AM
There's other good plugs, but 2 strokes are very hard on plugs, we
stocked 5 brands and had far better reliability and fewer returns with
NGKs than any other brand... I'd prefer to put a good  'merican
plug in my Mopars, but going by experience, never had a problem with
NGK.. however, your mileage may vary!



Lea do BB's use J-14Y?  Tommy may still have some on the shelf at
Eriksen Marine, there's lots of old obsolete ACs and Champions in
original cases like that in the back of Parts Dept. Lots of old
inboards used Mopar V-8s, my old CC Cavalier (RIP) had twin 318s. Damn
they sounded good! Bwaa Ba Ba Ba Bwaa Ba Ba Ba. Some bigger Chris's had
413s and 440s, but not since the early '70s...everything's pretty much
GM, Ford, and Volvo now, mostly GM, and more I/Os than inboards, and
I/Os suck to work on!!! Anyhow if you need more vintage plugs I'll look
next time I'm there.



Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 07, 2009, 07:21:46 AM
Yes.In my 68 and 69 Parts catalogue,big blocks did use J14Y
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on November 07, 2009, 01:47:36 PM
When I was a counterman at the NAPA in 1985, I was edumakated on sparking plugs....we sold Champs, AC, NGK, and Motorcraft. Maybe one other I can't recall. I didn't like the thought of putting NGKs in my original Imperial, but was convinced to do so by my co-workers. They work better and last longer in my big blocks than all those others. Not sure about today's fancy plugs with all their extree ground electrodes and 'spensive metals......sure look purty tho........

BTW, Bosch Platinums.....I put 4 in my Turbo GLH and they didn't work right....still have them ....all clean and waiting to go on Ebay perhaps.....


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on November 07, 2009, 02:07:11 PM
I've had bad luck with Bosch Plats in my super-annuated 240s and 900 Turbo too. 'Spensive and overrated methinks.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 10, 2009, 03:31:21 PM
Not much going on.
Work has been super busy and I am exhausted when I get home.
Besides there is change in the air and I have a job interview tomorrow.
Keep y'all posted.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Rich on November 10, 2009, 06:23:27 PM

Quote from: firedome
I've had bad luck with Bosch Plats in my super-annuated 240s and 900 Turbo too. 'Spensive and overrated methinks.

Bosch Platinum plugs have been in my '02 Neon for over 75K and still work well. I use them in my '68 Newport too and they run nice...... and I hate changing the plugs on motors with HP manifolds, (especially #7) so I use plugs that last a good long time.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 16, 2009, 05:15:20 PM
Ok.I have been quiet here lately.
I cleaned up the original pistons..
As I opened the box of piston rings and followed the instructions,I measured the ring gap down in the cylinder walls.
 
Something is not right.
I have too much gap and I am out of spec.
Gap should be .013 to .023.
I have .030
 
What to do?
First I called upon my neighbour Tom Kane.
Then rang up Steve for more advice.
Then get Barry Acker here for a third opinion.
(Barry had built more B/RB's I can count)
The conclusion?
Sure anybody can screw an old motor together and run..
But It will have lots of blowby and will be an oil burner.
The condition of the cylinder bores are OK --if you want to sell the car/motor after it is slapped together.
I will want to keep the car and after all the work,I do not want to pull the motor after a fresh paint job..
So...it needs to be bored .030 over to be absolutley perfect and ensure reliability.
Problem?
383 pistons are NOT cheap.
Sure as always I was trying to keep costs down--and the machine shop was doing just that.
But in this case,going cheap may have bit me in the butt if I did not catch this now.. 
Time to shop for new pistons and spend more money at a machine shop...
<SIGH>
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
 
CBarge2009-11-16 22:21:17
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on November 16, 2009, 05:22:47 PM
Ahh man that sucks....well good thing you decided to measure things up properly before assembly.
 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jason Goldsack on November 16, 2009, 05:56:57 PM
How about finding a set of standard 400 pistons and have it bored to that spec? Someone must have some 400 pistons kicking around.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on November 17, 2009, 03:15:08 AM
Quote from: CBarge
Time to shop for new pistons and spend more money at a machine shop...
<SIGH>
 
I feel your pain, bro.
If it's any consolation, I did all your homework for you already (440-WOB).
Short of a miracle of finding a new set that's .030 over from someone that has them hanging around (highly unlikely) and , of course, not using used ones (egads!!) the absolutely cheapest, and I do mean cheapest set of pistons anywhere are the Mopar Performance P4529425 - Mopar Performance Cast Pistons from Summitt.  300 bucks shipped.
Personally, I went a few bucks more with the Speed-Pro.
 
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DCC-4529425/ (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DCC-4529425/)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on November 17, 2009, 04:15:54 AM


That's a bummer, but it's only the way to do it.

I just had the same dilemmna with the 'Sweep, I was gonna patch the
floors with sheet metal, but reluctantly decided to go the extra mile
and get R-Car reproduction floor panels:  $$$$$, and I really
couldn't afford it right now, but I know down the road that I'll be
glad I did it right. You will too! The BOAB is gonna be righteous!!!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)


firedome2009-11-17 09:22:30
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on November 17, 2009, 05:25:17 AM
Quote from: CBarge
But in this case,going cheap may have bit me in the butt if I did not catch this now..  

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif)
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Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on November 17, 2009, 08:55:15 AM
Quote from: 1965Windsor361
How about finding a set of standard 400 pistons and have it bored to that spec? Someone must have some 400 pistons kicking around.
 
The problem with that is the location of the wrist pins.  He has zero deck clearence.
 
Oh Well!  I mentioned to have the cylinders bore gauged when he had them honed.  But the putze at the machine shop didn't even bother to cut the ridges off, telling Lea they were fine.
 
Piston hunting here we go.  It sucks, but it's the best coarse of action.  All the people he consulted said the same things and made the same reccomendations.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on November 17, 2009, 10:39:39 AM
Maybe I now understand why the 383 rebuild I had done a few years back cost so much.  I had it bored .30 over new pistons, bearings and suck.  Just a stock rebuild.  Cost a small fortune.  Guess it was the cost of the pistoms that probably sent it through the roof.
 
Feel for you Lea, but you'll be glad you went this route in the long run.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on November 17, 2009, 10:42:23 AM
Gotta remember, they don't sell 383 pistons by the 100,000 at a clip so they are going to be expensive.  That and gouging
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on November 17, 2009, 11:55:14 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Gotta remember, they don't sell 383 pistons by the 100,000 at a clip so they are going to be expensive.  That and gouging
You didn't read my reply.  $35 is cheap for any piston...
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on November 17, 2009, 01:47:39 PM
No. . .I'm ignoring you
 
Lea 
 
You need to check and see if the engine had cast or forged pistons.  If it had cast, it will be less than forged.  If you switch them, you need to have the rotating hardware balanced.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 17, 2009, 05:17:32 PM
Yup on the balancing.
More money but it has to be done.
There is no end..(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on November 17, 2009, 05:24:45 PM
I would have it balanced anyway.  Smoother engine, parts last longer, better MPG and power
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Tom Dawson on November 17, 2009, 05:42:56 PM

Quote from: POLARACO
I would have it balanced anyway.  Smoother engine, parts last longer, better MPG and power
I agree with Stevo here Lea.
Tom

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Rich on November 18, 2009, 08:49:46 PM

Quote from: 1965Windsor361
How about finding a set of standard 400 pistons and have it bored to that spec? Someone must have some 400 pistons kicking around.

The 400 pistons at 4.34" stock are too big for the 383's 4.25" bore, and the wrist pins are in the wrong place (you would have very low compression).  I used a set of KB's that are 9.7:1 from Mancini for $335.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 19, 2009, 05:45:38 AM
Update.
As mentioned in my piston shopping thread I will hand  the motor over to Bullet Engines.
http://www.bullet.on.ca/index.html (http://www.bullet.on.ca/index.html)
They will order the pistons and bore the block,hot tank (again),and balance the motor.
More than likely I will let them put the thing together since I have no confidence in myself and other shops to screw this lump together.
 
The first machine shop did not do anything wrong.They were trying to help me save money.
But the block needs more work and they should have said something.
I was happy that my cost was way under when I brought the 383 home.
I have $1350.00 in the motor so far.
Now I have to rub the Jeanie lamp for an extra;
Boring will be 350.00 plus hot tank.
Pistons are ..CHA-CHING 450.00
Balancing and other incedentals will ring up maybe another 200.00.
So another grand or so.
My 440 cost me 2500.00 back in 2004.  
So,the 383 cost will be about the same or a bit more.
 
It just goes to show being ahead a few bux really does not mean you really are that much better off .
I will get her done once--and once right.
I would like to thank Steve,Tom Kane,Barry Acker,and all others here for their opinions and advice.
I just got word today I start my new job so the Boab will be on hold for a while and I will let Bullet take care of the motor for me. 
With my new job I will be able to save up and afford to finish the BoaB.
This month has been a rollercoaster and I need a break.
 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 15, 2009, 04:54:14 PM
Since things are on hold in the shop,I have been enjoying my new laptop and lurching E bay for anything for my car.
Our good friend Ed (ednos) is sending me two NOS tailpanel trim pieces.
I also got in today this rare little gem-the r/f fender trim piece for thee BoaB.1968 Newport Custom only
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Picture0002.jpg)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 15, 2009, 04:57:23 PM
I have a few more things coming---including my new information to get my passport so I can cross  the border.
The new job is doing good.Pay is good.I am also home at a decent hour to boot.
Cheers for now.
(http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/XMasTruck.gif) (http://javascript:void%280%29)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 09, 2010, 11:27:33 AM
I CAN CROSS THE BORDER!!
YEEHAAWW!!
CBarge2010-01-09 16:28:51
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 09, 2010, 11:35:39 AM
Did my paperwork yesterday and had schtuff sittin' down at Jack's and was anxious to try it out.
I am  back in business!!! 
Nice day for a drive..Roads were clear and dry,but it was bloddy cold.
No line ups at the border either.Paperwork checked out finee and after 6 months not being able to be on American soil,it was good to do my C body contra ban runs again,LOL!!
Jack was happy to see me and showed me the changes he made around his place.
He also showed me some NOS C body radios he has for sale.
I loaded up my stuff and headed back to Canuckville..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_5702.jpg)
 
CBarge2010-01-09 16:37:43
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 09, 2010, 11:44:30 AM
 SCORE!!
[color=#cccccc size=1]Got this pair of NIB bendix 11 X 2 3/4 front drums.[/color]
[color=#cccccc size=1]I will use them for the safety inspection,and shows.I have a good driving set I got from Thrashingcows that will see the road on a regular basis.[/color]
 
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_5704.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 09, 2010, 11:48:19 AM
Got these shocks fpr 44.99.Good deal.
this was the brand that was on the BoaB when I bought it.
Though not correct NOS,it will be right for the car as it looked back in 1973.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_5706.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 09, 2010, 11:53:52 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_5708.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_10901.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 09, 2010, 12:01:32 PM
I am very proud of this next find.
New Old Stock wiper arms, ANCO blades AND refills.
Refills have the correct three ribs on the rubber and has the part number molded on the edge.
Blades are mint and the red button is really,really red--not faded.
Wiper arms are show quality.Never been installed ensures good contact to the glass since the springs are tight.
Yeah,I did do a lot of work to the old ones,cleaning,detailing,etc.
But nothing beats NOS!! LOL!! (It is an addiction..to NOS,eh?)
 (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_5705.jpg)
 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on January 09, 2010, 02:02:04 PM
Looks like some nice scores you got there Leaburn!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
 
I'm glad you'll be putting those drums I sent you to good use.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Ken on January 09, 2010, 02:56:44 PM

 SCORE!!
[color="#cccccc" size="1"]Got this pair of NIB bendix 11 X 2 3/4 front drums.[/color]
[color="#cccccc" size="1"]I will use them for the safety inspection,and shows.I have a good driving set I got from Thrashingcows that will see the road on a regular basis.[/color]
 
[/QUOTE]

Jeez Lea, I woulda GIVEN you my old front drum for FREE if I knew you were looking for those.  Too late now.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on January 09, 2010, 03:30:49 PM
Pssst  Pssst
 
POLARACO2010-01-09 20:31:03
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on January 09, 2010, 03:40:56 PM
GREAT FIND!!! and good ol' Merican made... don't get better than that! WELCOME HOME!!





Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 09, 2010, 08:43:43 PM
Mosey,I went through three used sets that were no good before I got the set from Brian.
At the time,Brian just got his car inspected for the road and the brakes passed.
Then  he did the disc conversion and no longer needed the front drum set up.
So,we made a deal.
The NOS one just happen to pop up and for 118.00 for the pair I could not resist. 
I have lost count on how much NOS I have for this car.
It is probably the most one has ever seen on one C body..
NOS can be addicting--Heck I found Brian a NOS tailgate trim panel for his wagon!!
I am always lurching for parts.
Adding fuel to the fire is my new job has outside internet access..so now I lurch at work when things are quiet..lol
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on January 10, 2010, 04:33:42 AM
There's some NOS stuff I'd lke for the 71 F3 - are you looking only on
ebay, or are there any other good sources (besides the Mitchells of the
world).

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 10, 2010, 08:23:02 AM
E bay mostly,but I do get e mails and PM's from other people who are watching the BoaB.
Combining the viewing numbers here and other sites,I am approaching 6 digits.
On Moparts,people see I am into C body and get messages there.
So,the "network" is working for me and I use it to help others here too!!
Pay itt forward..When I first started people helped me.
I found stuff for members here.
I will keep an eye out for your 71 Fury schtuff.
What you need??
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on January 10, 2010, 11:28:02 AM
I only have a few things laying around for the 71.  I have to find it first.  But I have the tail lights
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on January 10, 2010, 12:02:08 PM
I dont care if they are NOS shocks I wouldn't be caught dead with any ac delco crap on MY Mopar!!!!! but I suppose Canada is a free country too. You can do what you want. The wiper blades are cool though!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 10, 2010, 01:28:32 PM
modern shocks painted black are just fine....technology in gas shocks has to have made some strides in 42 years......

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on January 10, 2010, 02:45:22 PM
Lea - Steve found tail light s and wheel covers for me, I'd like to
find NOS parts for front end etc, the regular wear type parts, and a
trunk lock bezel!

This is going to be a driver, so I don't need to get all too fancy with it!

Actually I've heard that the Pleasurizers were supposed to be pretty good aftermarket shocks...

firedome2010-01-10 19:46:51
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on January 10, 2010, 03:50:26 PM
Yeah. . .I know where they are now.  In the nose of my trailer which is packed solid.  But I may have a second set in the storage locker
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 28, 2010, 01:54:52 AM
Rob of Bullet Engines came by last light and we loaded up the 383.
Not going to be cheap--but it will get done right unlike the last shop that made money just for the sake of making money.
I decided to upgrade the original 906 heads with hardened valve seats,stainless valves,and a full on performance massage on the them since they are there.
 
To keep costs down,I still have to assemble the motor.
 
Rob will bore out the block,replace the pistons,square deck the block,resize the rods,balance and blueprint the rotating mass.
http://www.bullet.on.ca/ (http://www.bullet.on.ca/)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 28, 2010, 02:53:39 AM
Quote from: CBarge
Not going to be cheap--
 
First there was 440-WOB.
Coming soon, THE SEQUEL: Son of 440: 383-WOB!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 28, 2010, 10:25:17 AM
Heh..at least my motor is getting fixed right the first time BEFORE ASSEMBLY  so it will not blow up.LOL (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)CBarge2010-01-28 15:25:57
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on January 28, 2010, 11:26:12 AM
I guess I better put the net over the house to catch those pistons
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 28, 2010, 04:00:15 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Heh..at least my motor is getting fixed right the first time BEFORE ASSEMBLY  so it will not blow up.LOL

Dohhhhhh.......(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Tom Dawson on January 30, 2010, 06:27:32 PM
Stan they will never let u forget that(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Tom


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 31, 2010, 04:57:03 AM
I was a man about it.  I 'fessed up right away that I screwed up.   Didn't lay blame on  anything.  Took it on the chin, got back on my bike, and made things rright.  Very honerable on my part, don'tcha think?
And I'll just sit back and wait for Lea to fire up that 383, for Steve to fire up that magnum, and.... (http://www.massmopar.com/yabb/Smilies/whistling.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 31, 2010, 07:25:52 AM


"And I'll just sit back and wait for Lea to fire up that 383, for Steve to fire up that magnum, and.... (http://www.massmopar.com/yabb/Smilies/whistling.gif)"


(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/10/KABLOOEY.JPG)

stitcherbob2010-01-31 15:22:07
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 31, 2010, 12:20:55 PM
Well,finally my buddy Rusty got back to me and took my fenders to get them prepped and painted.
Hoping to afford paint this weekend to finish them
Hood,trunk lid,and both rear doors will be next.
The plan is shoot them in single stage and clear.
Once they are on the car,we wet sand and re clear them.
 
I got to get my ass in gear now.
The front end has to be rebuilt before anything else gets assembled.
 
Motor is in the machine shop...
Bodypanels getting done..
Good to get back to work on it. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
 
CBarge2010-01-31 17:29:23
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 01, 2010, 04:30:33 AM
Make sure you stamp some identification on those suckahs.
 
(http://i47.tinypic.com/zsn3ew.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2010, 08:51:20 AM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif) 
CBarge2010-02-01 14:00:06
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 01, 2010, 08:58:53 AM
Tomorrow i will post up some pics of the engine.
It has been bored over and looks great.
CBarge2010-02-01 13:59:08
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on February 01, 2010, 03:21:29 PM
WTF!!!!??? He's more than a frickin crook!  He's finally taken
total leave of his senses!!!!!! There's no Newport CAR worth much more
than 9500, even the woody....!!!!!!!!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 01, 2010, 05:31:35 PM
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Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 02, 2010, 03:20:55 AM
Uh, guys.  It's a photochop using Lea's fenders.................(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) Commando12010-02-02 08:22:41
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 02, 2010, 06:40:45 AM
Quote from: Commando1
Uh, guys.  It's a photochop using Lea's fenders.................(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)

You have way too much time on your hands or are suffering from sun stroke. . .
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jason Goldsack on February 02, 2010, 06:45:38 AM
That is way too funny...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 02, 2010, 03:45:09 PM
Went to Bullet today.
I had to bring a few things they asked for to do their job.
Torque convertor so they can balance the crank,and the camshaft to fit the cam bearings.
The rods were resized,and weighed.
The weights bolted onto the crank simulates the weight of the rods and pistons.
 
Weight had to be taken off the front,and some was added to the rear.
The crank was out enough to cause concern,and I am glad they found the problem before I started assembly.
 Bullet has the Dominator computerized balancer which was especially built for them.
Normally,it  sees duty on high RPM,high dollar racing boat engines pushing 900+ HP.
So,a street 383 in a C body cruiser is no problem..
Thanks to Rob and Steve of Bullet for allowing me to take the pics in the machine shop area.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/crankbalancerdisplay.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/crankonbalancer.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/TheDominator.jpg)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 02, 2010, 03:51:37 PM
The block came out beautifully.
40 over bore,and 10 thousandth off the deck.
The availability of 383 pistons is very limited and in order to maintain a decent compression ratio,the decking was necessary.
The original 906 heads have a 88cc combustion chamber,so we will be around 9 or 9.2:1
I can run on pump gas,and our focus on where to make power is in the heads with the cam I chose.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/boremachine.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/383bored40over.jpg)
CBarge2010-02-02 21:19:23
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 02, 2010, 03:57:12 PM
Before machine shop #1...How they never did the ridge ream,or not measure the bores is inexcusable.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget200.jpg)
After machine shop #1..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget308.jpg)
CBarge2010-02-02 20:59:35
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 02, 2010, 04:10:34 PM
Here are my bores after Bullet's finishing.
This is where Bullet really shines,it is the by far the best in the world.
Rob even shipped out a 900HP race boat motor to the Middle East!!
 
This is called the 820 plateau.
A $650.00 CK-10 stone set is used on their Sunnen  bore and honing machine to achieve this racing engine quality for perfectly round bores and super smooth with good cross hatch pattern...  
CBarge2010-02-02 21:20:27
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 02, 2010, 04:27:38 PM
Here,one of the heads getting hardened valve seats installed.
Stainless valves with a back-cut will follow.Proper retainers and new keepers are coming as well.
Plus a little massaging in the bowls.
They have been planed already.
So,with the block's deck planed,custom length pushrods are inevitable.
I will port match the gaskets after they come home.
As mentioned,making this porker flow is going to make a difference.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/hardenedseats.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 02, 2010, 05:00:11 PM
Heh
 
I'll match those pictures.  I have to go get my motor this week.
 
Are you going to port those heads, like I did,  before you assemble them?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: AJ on February 02, 2010, 07:43:07 PM
Lookin' GOOD!
 
How much it costya? (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 03, 2010, 01:25:14 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
 

YUP.
Compression ratio will be tricky,so port matching will be key to making power.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 03, 2010, 03:29:58 AM
You're doing an incredible job on that engine, Lea.  You have gone waaaaaaaaaaaay beyond what I only did.  I have no doubt now that the pistons will stay safely in their holes.  Great work!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on February 03, 2010, 04:52:33 AM

Nice to see a 4 DOOR get the Royal treatment for a change!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)


firedome2010-02-03 09:53:15
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on February 05, 2010, 09:39:30 PM

Quote from: Commando1
You're doing an incredible job on that engine, Lea.  You have gone waaaaaaaaaaaay beyond what I only did.  I have no doubt now that the pistons will stay safely in their holes.  Great work!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

As long as the cam stays in one piece.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 06, 2010, 06:32:23 AM
Quote from: CBarge
Quote from: POLARACO
 

YUP.


 
Do you need the porting tools?  I'm almost done with them here.  I can send them up.  That's 2 ya' owe me.  LOL


 
I am hoping to polish the exhaust ports this weekend and lap the valves. 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 06, 2010, 01:14:03 PM
Ok  Show Off. . . . (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/d/5.91.jpg)
 
Nice cross hatching
 


POLARACO2010-02-06 18:14:33
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 06, 2010, 05:21:25 PM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley22.gif)
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 06, 2010, 05:54:21 PM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Hey Lea
 
Some pointers.  Too bad that's not a 360.  I could show you some nice $17.00 pistons.  LOL
 
http://www.moparfins.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3069&PN=2 (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3069&PN=2)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 18, 2010, 01:35:20 PM
I visited the shop today for a progress report.
Trying to achieve a decent compression ratio,I ordered a Felpro 39 thick head gasket set .
The pistons are on the rods and are nice flat tops by Mahle that sit a little bit down in the hole.
Check out the nice thick compression ring groove..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/flattoppiston.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 18, 2010, 01:40:50 PM
Here,the ARP main bolts are installed,cam bearings are in as well.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/arpboltsinstalled.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 18, 2010, 01:50:19 PM
Now,A couple things that really bites.
First,my bad,I did not hand Rob the new ARP rod bolts not knowing any different.
They cannot use them since the rods have been resized,and the crank has been balanced with the old factory rod bolts.
The new rod bolts will throw out the balance.
Crap.
Rob assures that the factory rod bolts will be fine since it is not a race motor.
 
Secondly,the idiots at the other shop sold me the wrong main bearings.
(I never ever should have went there in the first place.)
Steve at Bullet opened them up and they are the small journal mains--I need large journal mains.
Got a set coming.
Plus,to maintain a good compression ratio,I ordered thinner than stock head gaskets from Felpro. 39 thou thickness is going on.
So I have for sale a set of ARP rod bolts,and a set of Clevite small journal B/RB main bearings....
I have no idea what the total cost will be but it will be done right. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 18, 2010, 02:25:55 PM
Sell those rod bolts to Stan (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Changing the rob bolts will not change the balance as long as they all weigh the same.

The ARP main studs were a waste on that motor.  New bolts would have been more than enough


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 18, 2010, 03:05:35 PM
[/QUOTE]
Even better PM me his addy,he will get an early Xmas gift,LOL!!
As for the main studs,I never opened the box so I thought I was getting bolts.
CBarge2010-02-18 20:08:33
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 18, 2010, 03:49:37 PM
If you're giving them away, I have a 440 to build. . . .

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Guests on February 18, 2010, 06:05:21 PM
Agree, the few grams added to the journal weight will not throw the balance off, it is still probably within half the amount allowed by factory specs.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: glen cyr on February 18, 2010, 06:10:18 PM
I have a different view on using the original bolts that were on the rods for MANY MANY cycles. I would find it more important to use a NEW fastener instead of OLD fasteners to save for a few grams in balancing. Those few grams (equally distributed i may add) add or subtract a miniscule of the bobweight of the complete rotating assembly and that all adds up to SQUAT!!!!!. Thats the difference between each builder and is one of the reasons i trust NO ONE. NO matter what your machinist says,...a few grams will not shake your engine to death. Mopar engines were known to have some of the worst factory balance jobs on the planet,so any improvement you make here is going to be a giant leap forward. I've ran 13 to 1 pistons in 340's and cooked a few pistons here and there and just slapped new ones in without balancing the engine again and the engines ran fine (7,200+ rpms) with no vibrations that i could tell and years ago some pistons were like 575 grams and some 600. The new forged Diamonds i just got were within 3-4 grams of each other. I would not hesitate one minute throwing in those ARP's.  Anyways here's an interesting read on the ARP fasteners using the torque wrench method instead of the bolt stretch tool.
I applied this method to my 7/16" capscrews and main studs on my 418"er.

Using a Torque Wrench
If the stretch method cannot be used in a particular installation, and the fasteners must be installed by torque alone, there are certain factors that should be taken into account. ARP research has verified the following “rules” pertaining to use of a torque wrench:
1. The friction factor changes from one application to the next. That is, the friction is at its highest value when the fastener is first tightened. Each additional time the fastener is torqued and loosened, this value gets smaller. Eventually the friction levels out and becomes constant for all following repetitions. Therefore, new fasteners should be tightened and loosened through several cycles before applying final torque. The number of times depends on the lubricant. For all situations where ARP lubricants are used, five cycles are required before final torquing.
2. The lubricant used is the main factor in determining friction, and therefore, the torque for a particular installation. Motor oil is a commonly used lubricant because of it’s ready availability. If less friction is desired in order to install the fasteners with less torque, special low friction lubricants are available. With special lubes, the required torque can be reduced as much as 20 to 30 percent. It is important to keep in mind that the reverse is also true. If the torque value has been specified for a particular fastener on the basis of low friction lube, installing the fastener with motor oil will result in insufficient preload; the torque has to be increased to compensate for the extra friction caused by the motor oil.
3. Surface finish is also important. For example, black oxide behaves differently than a polished fastener. It is therefore important to observe the torque recommendations supplied with each fastener.
NOTE: It is possible for even the most expensive of torque wrenches to lose accuracy. We have seen fluctuations of as much as ten (10) foot pounds of torque from wrench to wrench. Please have your torque wrench checked periodically for accuracy.

Glen
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 19, 2010, 03:03:21 AM
Quote from: owatajrkiam
Please have your torque wrench checked periodically for accuracy.


I will not lie about this:  Mine is a Harbor Freight wrench that I bought used for 10 bucks.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Guests on February 19, 2010, 05:46:04 AM
And it is pretty simple to check the accuracy yourself with a vice to hold the wrench square end in, and a known set of weights that you can hand on the handle, dial indicator turned to the amount of weight to see how accurate it is. If it clicks when you let all the weight onto the center of the mass where you put your hand to tighten a bolt/nut with for accuracy, then do a few extra checks up and down the dial scale one pound at a time to make sure fifty pounds is fifty pounds, not 40 or 53pounds. If it is way off, might think of getting another one (they are cheap these days), or simply verify where the click is prior to torquing for accuracy.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 19, 2010, 05:47:24 AM
Quote from: dana44
Agree, the few grams added to the journal weight will not throw the balance off, it is still probably within half the amount allowed by factory specs.
So,should I install the new ARP's then?
CBarge2010-02-19 10:53:34
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 19, 2010, 08:33:11 AM
Quote from: CBarge
So,should I install the new ARP's then?
Honestly, had you not bought them, I would almost guarantee the originals would have done fine.  After all, I doubt BOAB will be driven hard and to the limits. ( I mean, you're not Mobby for Pete's sakes. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) )
But you got them.  You have them.  I'd use them to make myself feel better.  Just remember, you have to re-hone the rods again.  
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 19, 2010, 09:06:05 AM

Quote from: CBarge
Quote from: dana44
Agree, the few grams added to the journal weight will not throw the balance off, it is still probably within half the amount allowed by factory specs.
So,should I install the new ARP's then?

Damned kids.

What did we say?

Put them in!  It's not going to make a difference that you will ever feel.

Glen
I never did any of that, never had one come apart either. . .But I'm never too old to learn.  (shadap Stan)  Good Info and thanks.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: glen cyr on February 19, 2010, 10:24:37 AM
Quote from: CBarge
Quote from: dana44
Agree, the few grams added to the journal weight will not throw the balance off, it is still probably within half the amount allowed by factory specs.
So,should I install the new ARP's then?
  Lea,...just remember,...this is YOUR engine and if you feel (which i would do) those ARP bolts are gonna go in,..then tell them to do it and if they don't,.....pack it up and tell them they are FIRED!
 
Glenald Trump
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 19, 2010, 11:13:47 AM
(http://6.7cummins.com/images/smilies/stupid.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 19, 2010, 11:26:06 AM
Spoke to Rob today,he was in to get brakes done.
We talked about it and they are going in.
I spent the money on them,and I am paying them to do the work.
An oversight on my part.I just have to pay a little extra for setting thing up.
it took me three months to bail out the tranny at 1400.00 last year
...I wonder how long it will take to bail out the motor...$$$$$$$$$$$ (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif)
CBarge2010-02-19 16:41:26
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Guests on February 19, 2010, 11:30:32 AM
It is your call, but here is the way to determine your decision. Factory is within 1.0-1.5 OUNCES (28 grams to an ounce), so measure how much two stock rod bolts and nuts are compared to two ARP bolts and nuts are, then make the call.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 19, 2010, 11:41:00 AM
They are going to do just that--compare them.
It is good everybody is on the same wave length.. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 19, 2010, 02:44:23 PM
Quote from: CBarge
...I wonder how long it will take to bail out the motor...$$$$$$$$$$$ (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif)
I've hardly put a dent into the $$$ on my credit card from 440/WOB-II.
Take solace we all know exactly what you're talking about.
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on February 19, 2010, 03:08:08 PM
1 to 1.5 ounces?  Whoa... 

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Guests on February 19, 2010, 06:42:12 PM
Yeah, factory components can be way out to lunch, which is why they basically had the small blocks with redlines at 4500rpm for a while, whereas take one and balance it all stock, there is an amazing amount of extra power that all the sudden "jumps out of nowhere". This number is a general collection of the plus and minus for each part, added up, which has been known to happen, being several grams on the crank, bearing shells, rod bolts and nuts, rods, piston pins, piston rings and piston itself. As polaraco noticed with marking the head gasket ring to the head, valve position compared to amount of core shift in the combustion chamber before machining, one side may have zero clearance to the combustion chamber, another one be .030 on a neighboring cylinder.
 
dana442010-02-19 23:43:40
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 09, 2010, 03:22:19 PM
Well,the BoaB's shortblock is assembled.
 (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_5806.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 09, 2010, 03:23:24 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_5807.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 09, 2010, 03:24:21 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_5808.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 09, 2010, 03:25:04 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_5809.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 09, 2010, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: dana44
It is your call, but here is the way to determine your decision. Factory is within 1.0-1.5 OUNCES (28 grams to an ounce), so measure how much two stock rod bolts and nuts are compared to two ARP bolts and nuts are, then make the call.
The result is only 2 grams more per cylinder.
So total of  only 16 grams added to the bottom end.
Rebalancing the crank was not needed.
The rods were resized again to use the ARP rod bolts.
Everything went well and assembly proved to be a successful and smooth process.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: AJ on March 09, 2010, 03:35:46 PM
VERY NICE. :)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 09, 2010, 03:47:10 PM
Heads are going on this week and the pushrod measurement is next.
We need to calculate that now the deck has been shaved ten thou.,and heads have .05 to .07 thou off just from being cleaned up.
Steve,Bullet did do a "performance job" on the 906 heads that included smoothing out the ports,and opened up the bowls .
It was a sensyouwas job.
Since-you-was doing the hardened seats,do the bowls,and ports.
 
All I have to do is port match the gaskets,intake and exhaust manifolds.
CBarge2010-03-09 20:47:27
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on March 09, 2010, 05:01:22 PM
You don't want a performance job Lea.  You want the intake and combustion Chanbers to be rough a bit.
 
PM Dana and have him explain.  You want your intake ports and combustion chambers to look just like mine for a street machine.  All that is useless on the street.  How many times will that motor see 5 grand?
 
POLARACO2010-03-09 22:02:35
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 09, 2010, 05:22:06 PM
So.  How much are you into this motor for?
I need to know so that I can stop kicking myself finally for... well, ya know....
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Guests on March 09, 2010, 07:50:56 PM
 (http://www.burrs4less.com/pages/Krazy_Kut_Burrs.html)(http://www.burrs4less.com/images/products/102-34204.gif)
 
This is the perfect burr cutter for everything that is other than aluminum. It leaves this perfect surface that keeps fuel/air from touching the surface of the head and ports and combustion chamber touch-ups, like rounding of sharp edges so they gently go out to the head gasket edge as marked(904s are open chamber to begin with, but do have a machined edge around the combustion chamber itself). It helps the engine accept higher compression and reduces pinging because of hotspots (predetonation is a sharp edge that remains hot enough to ignite fuel/air before it is even compressed, getting rid of the sharp edges reduces this issue), and when it comes to running high compression on cheap 87 octane, I'm your guy (12.3:1 on 87 octane without a ping, and an increase of 4mpg over stock engine).
 
Oh, and the aluminum burr cutter just has wider grooves so as not to get packed with aluminum so easily, and besides, porting isn't a race. As far as a set of heads that have been polished with sandpaper rolls for a "performance touchup", fine for racing, not so hot for the street, they like to puddle fuel from the air, so all you have to do is pull the valves and gently run the burr over the surface to change the texture. The surface prevents loading up at idle, heads will be just about as clean as a set of 1000mile stock heads after 100,000miles (as I have observed from my own teardowns in the past), and if you take it above the 5000rpm range, you will not be able to tell the difference between a polished set and a burr ported set of heads (physical flow numbers is 3-5cfm less than the sand rolled polished heads, and no seat dyno can tell the difference, but from idle to 3500rpm the burr ported head surface will be smoother and more consistent over the polished heads). Any more questions, feel free to ask.
Ed
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on March 09, 2010, 08:04:19 PM
Quote from: Commando1
So.  How much are you into this motor for?
I need to know so that I can stop kicking myself finally for... well, ya know....

You asking me?
 
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on March 09, 2010, 08:07:49 PM
Quote from: dana44
(http://www.burrs4less.com/pages/Krazy_Kut_Burrs.html)(http://www.burrs4less.com/images/products/102-34204.gif)
 
This is the perfect burr cutter for everything that is other than aluminum. It leaves this perfect surface that keeps fuel/air from touching the surface of the head and ports and combustion chamber touch-ups, like rounding of sharp edges so they gently go out to the head gasket edge as marked(904s are open chamber to begin with, but do have a machined edge around the combustion chamber itself). It helps the engine accept higher compression and reduces pinging because of hotspots (predetonation is a sharp edge that remains hot enough to ignite fuel/air before it is even compressed, getting rid of the sharp edges reduces this issue), and when it comes to running high compression on cheap 87 octane, I'm your guy (12.3:1 on 87 octane without a ping, and an increase of 4mpg over stock engine).
 
Oh, and the aluminum burr cutter just has wider grooves so as not to get packed with aluminum so easily, and besides, porting isn't a race. As far as a set of heads that have been polished with sandpaper rolls for a "performance touchup", fine for racing, not so hot for the street, they like to puddle fuel from the air, so all you have to do is pull the valves and gently run the burr over the surface to change the texture. The surface prevents loading up at idle, heads will be just about as clean as a set of 1000mile stock heads after 100,000miles (as I have observed from my own teardowns in the past), and if you take it above the 5000rpm range, you will not be able to tell the difference between a polished set and a burr ported set of heads (physical flow numbers is 3-5cfm less than the sand rolled polished heads, and no seat dyno can tell the difference, but from idle to 3500rpm the burr ported head surface will be smoother and more consistent over the polished heads). Any more questions, feel free to ask.


 
I dunno Ed. . .We try to father them, teach them what we know, Nurcher them and this is what we get.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
Well Lea, it's not too late, so I guess I better send up the tools.  Don't put the heads on yet and go look at my post.  Get some pics up of what they did so Ed and I can get you fixed up the right way.
 
POLARACO2010-03-10 01:08:56
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 10, 2010, 02:40:59 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: Commando1
So.  How much are you into this motor for?

You asking me? 
No, Lea, stupid.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Guests on March 10, 2010, 07:03:48 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: dana44
(http://www.burrs4less.com/pages/Krazy_Kut_Burrs.html)(http://www.burrs4less.com/images/products/102-34204.gif)
 
This is the perfect burr cutter for everything that is other than aluminum. It leaves this perfect surface that keeps fuel/air from touching the surface of the head and ports and combustion chamber touch-ups, like rounding of sharp edges so they gently go out to the head gasket edge as marked(904s are open chamber to begin with, but do have a machined edge around the combustion chamber itself). It helps the engine accept higher compression and reduces pinging because of hotspots (predetonation is a sharp edge that remains hot enough to ignite fuel/air before it is even compressed, getting rid of the sharp edges reduces this issue), and when it comes to running high compression on cheap 87 octane, I'm your guy (12.3:1 on 87 octane without a ping, and an increase of 4mpg over stock engine).
 
Oh, and the aluminum burr cutter just has wider grooves so as not to get packed with aluminum so easily, and besides, porting isn't a race. As far as a set of heads that have been polished with sandpaper rolls for a "performance touchup", fine for racing, not so hot for the street, they like to puddle fuel from the air, so all you have to do is pull the valves and gently run the burr over the surface to change the texture. The surface prevents loading up at idle, heads will be just about as clean as a set of 1000mile stock heads after 100,000miles (as I have observed from my own teardowns in the past), and if you take it above the 5000rpm range, you will not be able to tell the difference between a polished set and a burr ported set of heads (physical flow numbers is 3-5cfm less than the sand rolled polished heads, and no seat dyno can tell the difference, but from idle to 3500rpm the burr ported head surface will be smoother and more consistent over the polished heads). Any more questions, feel free to ask.


 
I dunno Ed. . .We try to father them, teach them what we know, Nurcher them and this is what we get.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
Well Lea, it's not too late, so I guess I better send up the tools.  Don't put the heads on yet and go look at my post.  Get some pics up of what they did so Ed and I can get you fixed up the right way.
 


Steve, I sure am glad to hear that, I think I gave you pictures of it back when we started woring in tandem. I was taught, and the two of us learned a few things, way back in 1978, so 32 years of porting, a small town with about two dozen hotrod muscle cars to use as our test platforms, SBC, BBC, SBF, BOP and Mopars from 392s, flatheads (2) and everything in between, we figured out what was efficient and what wasn't. We copared what we did to what other professionals did (had a couple examples to compare), and when feasible, we had a second engine built using their components with our porting and such to have actual comparisons. How about this: There were a couple big block Chevy kids that put their 396/427 engines on the highschool dyno and made some good power. A kid with a 67 Mustang 289 came into my mentor's shop, so he ported the heads, punched the larger valves, streetable .475ish lift cam, sent the kid to the high school dyno. This shop teacher said porting didn't do anything, a waste of money. Later in the week, the highschool shop teacher is chewing my mentor out because the little 289 blew up the dyno (I had forgotten about that).(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) Think porting isn't efficient, think again. Not to brag too much but I can improve any factory or aftermarket design, including all but a few that have been done by others. That all but a few is the early Hemi combustion chambers, the ports are the only place for improvement, so there is a physical limit there. The new Hemi has tons of room for improvement, I estimate around 60-70hp in the combustion chamber itself.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on March 11, 2010, 04:59:15 AM
No, I had the tools before we met.  I was trying to order more of them that's all
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 16, 2010, 03:31:27 PM
Ok..It's been a while...A lot has been going on around here and no time to fiddle with the BoaB.
Drama at work...nephew keeps me busy,plus I am involved in Theo's project Bluebird the 70 Newport convertible.
 
Rusty took on the Bluebird and she is at Rusty's shop where my fenders have been sitting since February.
So I am over there when he is there.So the juices are starting to flow again and get back into the groove to work on the BoaB
With his professional advice and guidance,I am learning the ropes in bodywork...Which I really suck at.
I started sanding the R/F fender down today..
CBarge2010-05-16 20:43:43
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 22, 2010, 05:52:39 PM
The 383...now 391 is home.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01570.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01571.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 22, 2010, 06:07:42 PM
Had top play with it after work yesterday.
Used up my leftover Mopar paint,and need another can.
Looks purdy.but time will tell how well 5 grand runs..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01573.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: 300rag on June 22, 2010, 06:22:52 PM
Bet you can already hear it running(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley27.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on June 22, 2010, 06:37:29 PM
First sound out of it, [color=#cc9900 size=7]BURP! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)[/color]
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on June 22, 2010, 06:37:57 PM
Oh I gotta bring up the old classic.
 
Is it done yet?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on June 23, 2010, 02:28:42 AM
I think Steve wants you to send him that oil pan...
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on June 23, 2010, 05:54:36 AM
Not now I don't.  It's the wrong color.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 13, 2010, 06:56:53 PM
Did some detailing and assembly this week after work.. note NOS oil filer cap that still has  the dealer shipping tag on it
 (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget127.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01772.jpg)
CBarge2010-08-15 19:43:20
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 13, 2010, 07:02:43 PM
Note NOS hot/cold light sender,NOS belt with part number.
New repop heater hose fittings.Tan cap (Accel cheapie looks like factory original)
The bolt for the alt bracket was blue originally ,showing that it was on the engine when painted,removed and re-installed with the bracket.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget172.jpg)
CBarge2010-08-15 19:38:31
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 13, 2010, 07:09:56 PM
Based on the engine removal and teardown,the original fuel pump had engine paintt on it,so I painted the fuel pump on the engine.
I have to fab a new line to the fuel filter since the pump outlet is in a different angle compared to the original.The original line sticks out too far and does not line up with my factory original 4bbl steel fuel line.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01762.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 13, 2010, 07:23:05 PM
Schumacher poly-lock mounts,roundback alternator.
Wire looms,oil dipstick, and heat shields installed.
Note ARP headboltss have smaller heads to them compared to stock.
I need spark plugs <sigh>
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01763.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 13, 2010, 07:27:28 PM
Got some insulation wrapped in foil and installed a correct 301 casting 4bbl intake.
Note NOS oil sending unit.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01757.jpg)
CBarge2010-08-14 00:27:52
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 13, 2010, 07:35:38 PM
Original fan bolts were soaked in Ultra one and cleaned up.
All the cleaning I did makes a difference.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01761.jpg)
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 13, 2010, 07:39:40 PM
Looks purdy....
Much different than this,eh?
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BargeonaBudget173.jpg)
CBarge2010-08-15 19:46:47
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on August 14, 2010, 04:15:03 PM
But does it run?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 14, 2010, 05:01:35 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
But does it run?
It don't need to....I am building a 1:1 scale model kit ... (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif) LOL!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Stan Paralikis on August 15, 2010, 02:51:35 AM
Is this a "reference" engine?
Absolutely gorgeous.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Jason Goldsack on August 15, 2010, 03:33:57 AM
Are those the HP manifolds I need to find for my 65? Where they factory on your car or just something you added?

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 15, 2010, 08:58:46 AM
I added them to my engine.
They are correct for C body HP cars.
They will fit on your 65.
Need a set??
PM me.My buddy Jack may have a set..(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Tom Dawson on August 15, 2010, 10:45:15 AM

Quote from: CBarge
Quote from: POLARACO
But does it run?
It don't need to....I am building a 1:1 scale model kit ... (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif) LOL!

 The engine or the car Lea(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)



Tom

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on August 15, 2010, 11:38:09 AM
They're Just there for the pictures  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 15, 2010, 01:05:35 PM
Ok,here are pics of the HP logs before and after POR15 paint job..
Tomorrow I will check on them after they are dry..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01784.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01785.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 15, 2010, 01:06:58 PM
Quote from: furyman67
Quote from: CBarge
Quote from: POLARACO
But does it run?
Both..since neither one runs at this point and time.........(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on August 15, 2010, 03:36:27 PM
See?  I told you they were on there for the pictures. . .
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 06, 2010, 04:53:40 PM
Tore into the front end after having Steve's tools for over a year.
Doing one side at a time since I never did this before.
I removed the left torsion bar,both upper and lower control arms ,sway bar,shock and strut rod.
I beleive my strut rod is bent.Should I replace it?
CBarge2010-09-06 21:55:59
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 06, 2010, 04:58:48 PM
I used the specail tool Steve loaned to me to pull the old control arm bushing out.
It was not loose,but was swelled and rotten on the edges..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bushing.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 06, 2010, 05:00:44 PM
Oh,the carnage..But easy to do with no sheetmetal or engine in the way.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01805.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 06, 2010, 05:04:24 PM
Since the brakes were completely redone,I did not want to disconnect the brake hose and bleed the brakes again.
So,I removed the backing plate from the knuckle and let it sit on the frame.
A little more work,but it gave me a chance to clean up the knuckle.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01808.jpg)
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Post by: Steve on September 06, 2010, 06:04:53 PM
Sigh
 
It's not done yet
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Post by: Brian on September 06, 2010, 07:06:10 PM
Bent strut rod...yup you should replace them.  You will need a rod from another 65-68 C-body, the slab side and fusey cars use different rods...you may remember how I know....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

I think I saw new ones from Just suspension, or some such company?


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Post by: Steve on September 07, 2010, 05:53:06 AM
Yes I believe it was Just Suspension that had them
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 07, 2010, 01:23:43 PM
Anybody have any good used strut rods??

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Post by: Steve on September 07, 2010, 02:02:28 PM
Now you ask. . .  Although I don't think the Plyme will work.  They're gone now.  Check Chris out
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Post by: azblackhemi on September 07, 2010, 05:08:11 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Anybody have any good used strut rods??
I'm sure I do on something 65-68 sitting back there. In fact I probably have about 7 or 8 pairs. Let me now if you want to pay shipping from way Out West.
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 07, 2010, 05:27:36 PM
Quote from: azblackhemi
Quote from: CBarge
Anybody have any good used strut rods??
I'm sure I do on something 65-68 sitting back there. In fact I probably have about 7 or 8 pairs. Let me now if you want to pay shipping from way Out West.
Ship them to the Joisey Mob boss's house.
I plan on going there to deliver a set of road wheels for the  "plucked chicken"
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Post by: Steve on September 07, 2010, 07:24:45 PM
Chris and I are on it for ya.  You can pay me the shipping.  Trade a set of wheels LOL
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 08, 2010, 07:25:49 PM
DEAL!

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 08, 2010, 07:28:00 PM
Got the NOS bushings pressed in today,and also got the pesky sleeve out of the lowerr control arm.
Real bugger to get out and this is what's left of it..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01816.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 08, 2010, 07:29:30 PM
Thanks to David who sold most of his NOS parts,the bushings fit perfect!!
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01814.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 08, 2010, 07:31:45 PM
I got home and started back on the car.
Cleaned up the parts,some paint and installed a NOS shock (well,a delco one anyways.)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01810.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 08, 2010, 07:34:50 PM
Taking other members advise,I will replace the upper ball joint with the control arm installed.Just have to wait for the new one to show up.
The steering knuckle cleaned up really well.
Luckily,the foam gasket is in excellent condition.it came off in one piece and will get re-used.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01813.jpg)
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 09, 2010, 03:03:34 AM


Quote from: CBarge

I sell repops of those....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Commando12010-09-09 08:03:46
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Post by: Steve on September 09, 2010, 06:23:47 AM
You missed a spot.
 
Do yourself a favor.  Get a few cans of that eastwood frame rust converter/sealer and spray the crap outa that subframe and your box frame.
 
That has to be one of the best products ever made by them.  I'll take you up to the 68 so you can see it
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Post by: Brian on September 10, 2010, 10:06:47 PM
When I did my lower control arm bushings I got the outer shells out with a hacksaw blade.  Just cut down the middle, took about 15 minutes, and then when it was almost through gave the shell a tap with a small chisel and it split down the cut and curled inwards and out it slid.

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Post by: Steve on September 11, 2010, 07:25:35 AM
Dremmel tool works too
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Post by: Robert F. Brogle on October 14, 2010, 04:58:27 PM
Funny Lea, you and I are doing front ends at the same time.  I mentioned in a previous post that I'm converting the '68 Ny'er to disc brakes. I decided to replace the entire front end at the same time.  I have a friend that works for the railroad and he took the arms to work and pressed the busings for me there.  Nice to have a big press.  Pics soon.
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Post by: Ken on October 15, 2010, 11:44:42 PM
Hey Lea or Fearless Leader, either one of you have a spare set of splash shields from your slab cars? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif)

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Post by: Steve on October 16, 2010, 07:26:17 AM
Not here Mosey.  I need 2 sets.
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 07, 2010, 04:06:38 PM
Been having too much fun with the Waygun lately.
It is being used as a parts chaser for sure,LOL!!
 
I finally got a good pair of strut rods from Jack Forkey today!! FOR FREE!!
So this week or the next I hope to finish the front end.
Plus I picked up some more trim for the waygun.
Oh and a booster for Johnn66NY
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/waygun/DSC02021.jpg)
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on November 07, 2010, 04:10:49 PM
Man.. that wagon is cool!!!

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 02, 2010, 06:32:04 PM
SCORE!!
Got this one year only AM/FM Thumbwheel from a Docker
CHEAP!!
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC02044.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 02, 2010, 06:38:34 PM
So cheap,I cannot reveal the price!!
I had to cross the border to get it,but that even saved me more money in shipping.
The plastic gear on the volume button was stripped,and the selector buttonss were stuck.
So,I tore it apart and fixed it.
Luckily,I had a spare AM radio that does not work,but the thumbwheel buttons are the same as the AM/FM--at least on the left anyways.
While it was opened up,I used contact cleaner and Q tips and cleaned up as much as I could.
I removed the face plate and dial lense and cleaned them too.

 
These radios are very hard to find--in any condition.
She was rough,but now looks great.
Does it work?
I will find out this weekend.
CBarge2010-12-02 23:42:19
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 02, 2010, 06:45:05 PM
Oh,and my strut bar bushing came in--and the sleeves were included.
So,next on the to ddo list is finish the front end rebuild,then set the motor/trans in.
I am getting itchy,and i need  the room.That motor take up a  chunk of space in the shop being out of the car.
 
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Post by: Steve on December 02, 2010, 07:23:54 PM
Lea  FYI
 
Rustoleum makes an irredecent orange that is almost exactly the color of those pointers.  Bet you didn't notice that in Polaraco, It's that close.
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Post by: firedome on December 03, 2010, 08:54:27 AM
Testers makes that red-orange enamel in little model paint bottles too.





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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 20, 2011, 04:17:49 PM
Here we are into the third month of 2011 and I am finally getting the bug to work in the garage.Got the furnace running and cleaned up the dump from this past winter's misadventures.
Basically,all winter I did use the garage for doing repairs on the waygn,but left it in a mess.
I got her all cleaned up and work hass commenced on the BoaB.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/Picture0020.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 20, 2011, 04:28:30 PM
I now have all  the front end parts I need.
It took some time,but I waited for the right deal to pop up and grabbed it when i had the money.
The left lower ball joint was OK,but it made sense to replace it now.
Not cheap,but got it cheaper than the right one by almost 50 bux less on E bay..
 
Outer tie rods and sleeves are NOS,idler arm,strut bar bushings, and inner tie rods are NORS Moog parts.All for 65 bux!!
Many thanks to my buddy Jack  Forkey who hates selling C body stuff,LOL!!
 
Either way,I got all my quality parts at a fraction of the cost of a total rebuild kit made in China.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/Picture0019.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 20, 2011, 04:30:30 PM
I also scored this cheap sway bar kit.
I cut the old original welded one off and the replacement makes intallation easy with the clamp,nut/bolt clamping design.
Should the bushings ever wear out,replacing them will be made easy.
CBarge2011-03-20 20:33:57
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 20, 2011, 04:35:37 PM
I cleaned up the sway bar connection to the strut bar.
Hoping to finish up the left side this week.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/Picture0022.jpg)
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Post by: Brian on March 20, 2011, 08:42:02 PM
I like that strut bar set-up!!  I cut and drilled out the originals so I could put in the new bushings, then bolt them shut again.  But that looks like a much better set-up...where did you find those?  Not that my big Firmfeel bar needs anything....Just curious.




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Post by: Steve on March 20, 2011, 09:39:30 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Lea  FYI
 

Yeah I had a bottle of that, but the floescent orange shows up better.  I found out in a pinch and was pleased with it, so i kept going with it.
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Post by: Steve on March 20, 2011, 09:40:29 PM
Oh goodie. . . I get my tools back.  LOL
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Post by: firedome on March 21, 2011, 05:24:50 AM
Lea do you know a source for US made front end parts for Fusey 70/71 Furys?

That's going to be the world's best 68 Newpie when done!
Every detail restored.


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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 21, 2011, 08:20:29 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Oh goodie. . . I get my tools back.  LOL
Still got to do the right side yet..
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Post by: Steve on March 21, 2011, 02:24:55 PM
It's not done yet?
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Post by: Steve on March 21, 2011, 02:27:01 PM
[/QUOTE]

www.Justsuspension.com (http://www.Justsuspension.com)   maybe justsuspensions  I forget
 
I LOVE his bushings.   They are twice as much as anyone elses, but are real good
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 22, 2011, 05:10:07 PM
Couple stumbling blocks today.
The outer tie rods I bought are too long.They fit my new sleeves,but even with the threads all the way in,they stick out by 2 inches.One was actually boxed wrong and is left hand thread--it is an inner tie rod.Called Jack whom I bought them and he will exhange for the correct ones.But that will not be until next weekend.
Crap.
So,I moved on to other things.
With the new lower ball joint and front brake assembly installed,I proceeded to search the well hidden torsion bar boot--the one I put away so I won't lose it....You know how that goes.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Found it and slid it on the torsion bar....damn thing split wide open on me.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)
Double crap.
Well I will have to search for more parts tomorrow.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
I want to finish up the left side before ripping apart the right side.
 
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 22, 2011, 05:25:03 PM
[/QUOTE]
Thanks for  the compliment!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
 
There are a couple good ones out there,but I choose not to buy a whole complete kit .Mainly for financial reasons,and some kits use questionable quality parts.
 
I buy a piece here,another there when the slush funds have slush to spend.
Besides,I am in no hurry.
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Post by: Steve on March 22, 2011, 07:06:19 PM
So you aren't done yet. . .
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on March 23, 2011, 04:02:23 AM

I cleaned up the sway bar connection to the strut bar.
Hoping to finish up the left side this week.
[/QUOTE]

I had no idea that the sway bar attached to the strut rod. That just seems like  the worst place for it to attach. The load transferred to it would cause the bar to deflect . I wonder why they didn't attach it by some other means to the lower control arm.

Looks like a poor design to me..and inefficient. The sway bar is only as effective as the mounting points.

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Post by: Steve on March 23, 2011, 09:14:59 AM
That's why they didn't work well Jason.  Connecting to the lower was done in B Bodies.  I agree it's not the best way. 



 
I did find a way to make the sway more functional in Polaraco.  I shortened the frame links and raised the bar.  I think I brought them up about 2".  Don't know if that can be done on the 60's or not.
 
The formals are bolted to the frame like the B Bodies were.  The last time I was under a Formal, I noted it was identicle to the Fusie, with just the modifications to the sway and lower control arms.  What that means is, a formal sub could go into a Fusie with the upper control arms..  There's one way I can upgrade the front end completely in polaraco. . . .  But dash first.
 
Using the best bushings you can get helps too.  I still like the ones from Justsuspensions.  They are the cats meow and give you a nice firm ride.  One of these days, I'll do the uppers.
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 23, 2011, 03:38:43 PM
The poor design probably explains how and why the strut bars get bent.
Even the FMJ body cars did the same thing--sway bars on the strut bar.
CBarge2011-03-23 19:41:42
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 23, 2011, 03:42:55 PM
Pic of the new left lower ball joint installed and  the drum brake assembkly back on the car.
CBarge2011-03-23 19:45:10
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 23, 2011, 03:51:28 PM
In this pic,the left tie  rod is the factory original.
The right one is an NOS one--but it is too long.
Probably for a truck--but does have the 11/16" shaft like a C body.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/tierods.jpg)
 
I scored the proper ones from Lawrence Roblin.Going there Saturday.Plus send back the wrong ones to Jack.
 
 
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 23, 2011, 03:53:27 PM
As mentioned,I did as much with what I got.
I installed the new inner tie rod and new sleeve.
I made sure I counted the same amount of threads.
Now waiting for the outers
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/newsleeve.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 23, 2011, 03:56:24 PM
I found brand new torsion bar boots on e-pay.
Heres the one I ripped trying to install it.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/rippedboot.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 23, 2011, 07:19:23 PM
Quote from: 1965Windsor361
Quote from: CBarge
I cleaned up the sway bar connection to the strut bar.
Hoping to finish up the left side this week.
I am a dumbass.I should have checked my old pics  and shop manual for reference installing the sway bar.
Why?
I put the damn thing in upside down...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)
Cripes...I am more rusty than the car in that respect.
Looky here....Good thing is... it is only finger tight.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/IMG_4515.jpg)
CBarge2011-03-23 23:21:21
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Post by: Steve on March 23, 2011, 08:04:03 PM
Huh. . .  I didn;t even see that.  clamps go up.
 
Probably would work better LOL
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Post by: Brian on March 26, 2011, 12:25:22 PM

Quote from: 1965Windsor361
I cleaned up the sway bar connection to the strut bar.
Hoping to finish up the left side this week.

I had no idea that the sway bar attached to the strut rod. That just seems like  the worst place for it to attach. The load transferred to it would cause the bar to deflect . I wonder why they didn't attach it by some other means to the lower control arm.

Looks like a poor design to me..and inefficient. The sway bar is only as effective as the mounting points.
[/QUOTE]

When I redid my front end on the wagon I had a recurring squeak and clunk front the front end.  I finally tracked it down to the front sway bar links.  This was the final straw to make me call up FirmFeel for one of their bars.  One of the best upgrades I think I've made on the car.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/68%20TC%20wagon/PICT0493.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/68%20TC%20wagon/PICT0495.jpg)


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Post by: Jason Goldsack on March 26, 2011, 03:59:19 PM
Now that's a sway bar ......!!

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Post by: Steve on March 26, 2011, 08:58:12 PM
That's the right way of doing it
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Post by: R. Dave Carr on March 26, 2011, 09:00:00 PM
Lea, just out of curiousity, why didn't you go with disc brakes?
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on March 27, 2011, 05:02:36 AM
I think it's because its a restoration and it was to be how it was from the factory..

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 27, 2011, 03:29:36 PM
I never had any problem with the drum brakes in the past.
Quality shoes and keep them adjusted properly and they stop on a dime.
I only experienced brake fade twice in the New Yorker when fooling around.That was enough for me.
I know their limitations and know not to overdrive them.
 I got used to driving drum brake cars.
Translation:Plan your stops.LOL.
Brian; I was considering the sway bar upgrade,but it is not in the budget right now.
Once I get the car on the road,I may reconsider it.
 
 
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Post by: Brian on March 27, 2011, 03:35:01 PM

Brian; I was considering the sway bar upgrade,but it is not in the budget right now.
Once I get the car on the road,I may reconsider it.
 
[/QUOTE]

Well that's what I did too....There not cheap, but worth every penny IMO...and this coming from a penny pincher....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

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Post by: firedome on March 27, 2011, 03:45:02 PM
I grew up in the era when all cars had drums and often manual drums...
my first car was a 63 Ford Country Sedan  352 V8 9 passenger
wagon, not exactly light, with manual drums.  As Lea said, if you
had good quality shoes and maintain it right, it stops just fine. 

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 27, 2011, 04:56:56 PM
Yesterday I got the correct outer tie rods and finished up the left side.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2014.jpg)


CBarge2011-03-27 21:59:49
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 27, 2011, 05:03:24 PM
I started more carnage on the right side.
The right side proved to be more stuborn compared to the easy disassembly of the left side.
First,I could not remove tension from the torsion bar--the anchor bolt was siezed.
So,supporting the lower control arm,removing the shock,and front strut bar bolt,I knocked out the upper ball joint.
This can be dangerous if not paying attention.
CBarge2011-03-27 22:04:33
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 27, 2011, 05:06:23 PM
When the upper ball joint broke loose,the car jumped a good few inches--enough to get up off the axle stands.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2002.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2003.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 27, 2011, 05:08:31 PM
I stripped off as much as possible before removing the lower control arm.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2005.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 27, 2011, 05:09:59 PM
The next snag was breaking loose the lower control arm nut.
Using my johnson bar and an old bumper jack i got it to move..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2004.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 27, 2011, 05:13:55 PM
Much to my chagrin,all I was doing was twisting the shaft inside the control arm.
The nut did not break loose.
The control arm bushing was shot anyways
After an hour fighting with it,I pulled the control arm off the car.
The shaft was still attached to the car..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2011.jpg)
 
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 27, 2011, 05:15:08 PM
Using a pipe wrench and my bumper jack set up,I got the shaft out.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2010.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 27, 2011, 05:18:16 PM
The strut bar was bent,and was removed still attached to the lower control arm.
I was going to replace it.
I jammed it in my bench vice and used my impact to remove the nut.
I guess I over tightened my bench vice since it broke--and broke good.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2008.jpg)
 
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 27, 2011, 05:23:07 PM
Here's  the spindle before I clean & detail it.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2016.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 27, 2011, 05:24:49 PM
Old and new idler arms
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2013.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 27, 2011, 05:28:29 PM
I measured up the new tie rods and sleeve as close as possible and installed on the right side..Along with the new idler arm. 
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2012.jpg)
CBarge2011-03-27 22:32:39
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 27, 2011, 05:40:55 PM
Since I do not have torches at home,I will send out both upper control arms to replace the upper ball joints,plus re re the right lower control arm's bushing.
I was not successful breaking them loose--even with my friend's ball joint socket.
Then I will clean and detail them afterwards.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2006.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 27, 2011, 05:43:03 PM
So,for now,I will clean and detail as much as possible while the controls arms get done.
Here's a couple of pics just for fun.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2018.jpg)
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Post by: Brian on March 27, 2011, 05:59:04 PM
Wow BOAB sure is putting up a fight...and breaking your vice too.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

I had to use my buddies 700 FtLbs MAC impact gun to get my upper BJ out.


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Post by: Bob Schaefer on March 28, 2011, 03:45:47 AM
All I can say is, these pics are awesome. The one other area on my wagon, besides the body, that I know I need to tackle, will be that front end. These pics and your steps go a long way toward A) Showing how things should look, and B) Letting me know that it's harder to do than just taking it apart and putting it back together. I see alot of what I'll need at Firm Feel. They seem to be one of the few that has packages and parts for C's.
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Post by: firedome on March 28, 2011, 04:21:54 AM

Good ol' Chinee cast iron. Still can't beat a Wilton vice, find one at a yard sale for $15.
firedome2011-03-28 09:22:28
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Post by: Brian on March 28, 2011, 01:51:02 PM

Quote from: firedome
Good ol' Chinee cast iron. Still can't beat a Wilton vice, find one at a yard sale for $15.

I don't know what brand mine is...it's big and heavy...my 95 year old neighbor, George, dug it out from under his bench and gave it to me.  I've had it tight enough that when I was pulling on those upper BJ's I actually ripped the bench right out of that wall!!  The vise was fine BTW...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 01, 2011, 05:50:03 PM
Thanks to Tucker,one of our mechanics at my work,he got the new upper ball joints,and the control arm bushings pressed in.
They were a real PITA to do and much more stubborn compared to the left side.
We also managed to remove the bent strut bar from the LCA.
Time to clean 'em up,make them look purdy, and install.
CAN'T WAIT!!
CBarge2011-04-01 23:21:04
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Post by: Steve on April 01, 2011, 07:05:35 PM
Lea

I gave you the bushing tools.  The upper tools are so easy.  In and out.  No pressing at all
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Post by: Guests on April 01, 2011, 07:25:52 PM
You talking about a jack screw?
 
Watching the news right now ( a little off topic) and my mayor is getting into the imminent domain arena with the old downtown area to clear all the old buildings out and put in condominiums. City is already 65percent rental housing because a person can't do anything in this HOA run city as it is. For the record, Naitonal City is not an HOA, but the mayor used to run the building department and he has done some expansion rules (as in no expansion, or maximum amounts per property), and right now, highest city sales tax in the state, spends all the money on putting divider planters between the lanes, a skateboard park,  but gosh darn if I don't have to wear out the front end of my cars to avoid potholes. He was just put on record that an old gun store (which used to be next to the Pussycat Theater), was given to the Boys youth club for the city useage, so on the record, as they are in court right now over iminent domain fights, said the Boys youth club can stay where they are as long as they want. Gotta love pictures, right Steve?
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Post by: Brian on April 01, 2011, 08:27:19 PM

Lea

I gave you the bushing tools.  The upper tools are so easy.  In and out.  No pressing at all[/QUOTE]

The upper control arm bushing actually go In...and out...easier wit a big bench vice and a couple big sockets...and don't forget the lube.

I did the ones on the wagon with the "proper tool" and it was a bit of a pain.  When I did the ones on the UCA on the ram I had the old ones out and new ones in in probably 15 minutes tops with the vice.

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 02, 2011, 04:49:50 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Lea

I gave you the bushing tools.  The upper tools are so easy.  In and out.  No pressing at all
Yes,thanks,Steve.I did use them.
BTW,along with those tools,you loaned me the torsion bar removal tool--not the ball joint socket so you thought.
 
The lowers I did pull out myself with the tools,but they separated and were very,very stubborn to remove what was left.
So,with the tools,and the parts,Tucker at my shop finished what I started.

As mentioned,the upper ball joints also were impossible to do in my shop.
He did the upper bushings since he was working on the control arms anyways as a goodwill gesture. 
Remember I broke my bench vice at home,eh??
CBarge2011-04-02 09:52:50
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 02, 2011, 05:01:20 AM
I must have cussed at my bench vice several time this week as I needed to use it and forgot it was broken.
So used to using it and you realize how much a pain it is not to have it.
Gotta wait for payday to buy another.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2008.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on April 02, 2011, 07:06:10 AM
Quote from: CBarge
Quote from: POLARACO
Lea

I gave you the bushing tools.  The upper tools are so easy.  In and out.  No pressing at all
Yes,thanks,Steve.I did use them.
BTW,along with those tools,you loaned me the torsion bar removal tool--not the ball joint socket so you thought.
 
The lowers I did pull out myself with the tools,but they separated and were very,very stubborn to remove what was left.
So,with the tools,and the parts,Tucker at my shop finished what I started.

As mentioned,the upper ball joints also were impossible to do in my shop.
He did the upper bushings since he was working on the control arms anyways as a goodwill gesture. 
Remember I broke my bench vice at home,eh??

 
 
Sorry  It was a bad day
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 02, 2011, 07:14:52 PM
I put in a full day today on the car.
The weather was nice enough today to work with the garage door open.
I got the left side all put together,and torsion bar installed.
Note NOS front brake drum..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2011-1.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 02, 2011, 07:16:31 PM
I put the parts out in the sun after they got cleaned up and painted..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2002-1.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 02, 2011, 07:25:48 PM
I had to tackle the stubborn right shock that was stuck in the car.
With no torches,i had to be creative.
Using my cutting disc,I chopped the hell out of the nut.
Then with a pipe wrench and a ratchet wrench,it came out--but it fought me all the way.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2005-1.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2006-1.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 02, 2011, 07:27:54 PM
Same shock going in that came out..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2007.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 02, 2011, 07:37:51 PM
Remember that the torsion bar adjuster bolt was siezed??
I was bummed when I failed to break it loose.
I set it aside for the time being and kept on the right side
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2012-1.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 02, 2011, 07:42:31 PM
I got everything except the LCA installed.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2009-1.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 02, 2011, 07:53:54 PM
Just as I was going to pack it in and call it a day,my buddy Jamie dropped by looking for advice....but turned him into my vice--bench vice that is!!LOL!!
I used my propane torch,bumper jack on a ratchet and PB blaster to break loose my torsion bar anchor..
Thanks Jamie!!
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2019-1.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 02, 2011, 07:55:33 PM
Tomorrow,finish up the front end,and get her back on tires.
Engine & trans install is next.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on April 02, 2011, 08:07:31 PM
I told you to heat it and cool it  heat it and cool it.
 
I've had to be creative in my younger years too.  An old timer back then told me about that and it worked.  Good Job
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on April 03, 2011, 05:12:59 AM

Quote from: POLARACO
I told you to heat it and cool it  heat it and cool it.
 

Now we look for advice from an old timer.. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 10, 2011, 04:59:08 PM
I put in another day today.
I cleaned and painted the sway bar before itgot installed forthe last time.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2003-2.jpg)
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Post by: Steve on April 10, 2011, 05:09:13 PM
Quote from: 1965Windsor361
Quote from: POLARACO
I told you to heat it and cool it  heat it and cool it.
 


 
 
Speak up sonny.   I can't here you
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 10, 2011, 05:11:11 PM
Installed the right lower control arm and replacement used strut bar.
Then installed the torsion bar.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2004-1.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 10, 2011, 05:20:29 PM
New drum silencer springs. on  front drums.
Swapped in RH thread studs.
No mor LH ones if I want to install chrome lug nuts with wheels down the road.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2007-1.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 10, 2011, 05:26:03 PM
Tires back on...
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2012-2.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2011-2.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 10, 2011, 05:27:15 PM
Back on the ground...torsion bars not cranked yet..
can you say lowrider??
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2013-2.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 10, 2011, 05:29:41 PM
I am very happy with the progress.
You can see me smiling on the inside..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2018-2.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 10, 2011, 05:33:48 PM
Jamie helped me get the tranny out from under my bench and rolled the motor out.
Next on the list..
I will be putting them together this week.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/frontendrebuild2010-2.jpg)
CBarge2011-04-10 22:34:55
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Post by: Guests on April 10, 2011, 05:42:35 PM
I like the gold motor mounts. Really sets off the tourquise green paint!
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 10, 2011, 06:22:02 PM
For what the Schumacher Poly-Loc mounts cost,they may as well be made with gold.

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Post by: Steve on April 10, 2011, 07:15:27 PM
That's no ;ir.  I just bought a pair for Polaraco.
 
DON'T YOU LOOK CUTE IN THAT TECHNITIONS GET UP.  lol
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on April 11, 2011, 02:45:30 AM
How does that silencer ring actually work?

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Post by: Brian on April 11, 2011, 07:00:10 AM

Quote from: 1965Windsor361
How does that silencer ring actually work?

I thought those were to help dissipate heat from the drum?

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Post by: Steve on April 11, 2011, 11:22:04 AM
Quote from: 1965Windsor361
How does that silencer ring actually work?


 
It is supposed to reduce the harmonics created by friction.  Can't say I ever noticed any difference
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on April 11, 2011, 12:42:06 PM
ya.. not quite sure when they were discontinued but they are on my '65

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Post by: Steve on April 11, 2011, 12:47:35 PM
70 with the advent of Disc Brakes
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on April 11, 2011, 02:14:43 PM
Was that the last year for drums on the front of a C? 1970?

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Post by: Steve on April 11, 2011, 04:52:43 PM
I think so, not sure.  Every 71 I ever saw had discs.  71 and 72 used those expensive rotors.
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 11, 2011, 05:42:48 PM
1973 was the first year for power disc brakes standard equipment all across  the board except /6 valiants and darts,according to my 1973 literature.
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Post by: Steve on April 11, 2011, 06:39:58 PM
That's the first OFFICIAL printing of that.  But it was very heavily ordered where possible

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 12, 2011, 01:59:23 AM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif)


The motor and trans are now one unit.
I used loctite on the flexplate and torque convertor bolts
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/Boabengineinstall001.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 12, 2011, 02:03:02 AM
I needed my chairs,so I put her down on a work mat with the cranee still taking the majority of  the load.
I also installed a new tranny mount.
Waygun has to sit outside until I am done using her bay.
CBarge2011-04-12 07:03:53
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 12, 2011, 02:06:18 AM
Cleaned up the trans mount crossmember get ready forr paint.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/Boabengineinstall007.jpg)
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on April 12, 2011, 02:53:51 AM
How the heck did you get that tranny case so clean? Tell me your secret..

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Post by: Steve on April 12, 2011, 06:51:06 AM
dish washer
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Post by: Steve on April 12, 2011, 06:53:32 AM
Hey WeeBee.  No wonder you are taking so long.  You spend too much time taking pictures!  LOL
 
Keep going.  Looks good
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Post by: Brian on April 12, 2011, 07:28:05 AM

Quote from: 1965Windsor361
How the heck did you get that tranny case so clean? Tell me your secret..

Looks like paint to me.

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 12, 2011, 01:43:48 PM
Painted by the tranny shop two years ago when I had it rebuilt.
The pics do not show how much dust and dirt built up on it from being under my bench,though even covered up by my old lumberjacket--which I can now wear again.LOL
 
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Post by: Steve on April 13, 2011, 07:06:10 AM
Gaurantreed not to Crack, chip or peel
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 15, 2011, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Gaurantreed not to Crack, chip or peel
like yer false teeth,LOL!!
CBarge2011-04-15 22:44:45
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 15, 2011, 05:46:35 PM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif)
I cleaned up all  the bolts for the tranny crossmember and painted the crossmember.
I ordered a few parts and waiting for them to come in on Monday at my shop.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/Boabengineinstall001-1.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 17, 2011, 12:13:08 PM
I pushed the car into position...Getting closer to the the big day putting it in.
Going corner to corner takes up most of the shop,but it will make the job easier.
 (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/Boabengineinstall003-1.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/Boabengineinstall004.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 17, 2011, 12:20:30 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/Boabengineinstall001-2.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 17, 2011, 12:23:39 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/Boabengineinstall005-1.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 17, 2011, 12:35:35 PM
The lo-po logs are only temporary to break in the motor and untill I can afford the dual exhaust.
I still have some things to do before she is in her final resting place.
-install spark plugs
-install torque convertor inspection cover
-install 4 bbl kickdown linkage
-install trans cooler lines
-install starter
-install carburetor and related lines,fuel filter.
 
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Post by: Steve on April 17, 2011, 01:44:58 PM


[color=#ff0033" size="7" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]IS IT DONE YET?[/color]
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Post by: Brian on April 18, 2011, 03:34:51 PM
Well you got a plate on the front...so you gonna take it for a drive?.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 18, 2011, 05:19:17 PM
Quote from: thrashingcows
Well you got a plate on the front...so you gonna take it for a drive?.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Yeah..that reminds me.
I bought the car and it is still registered in the previous owner's father's name.
The father has been dead for years.Plus the car was last registered in 1973.
I still have the 1973 title which is good-I checked with MTO  already. 
Ontario MTO has no record of this car being registered at all since they purged all the old unregistered files back on the 80's.
The Waygun does trace back to new since it has been registered annually,so its files have been kept in the database.
So,in order to transfer the BoaB into my name, I have to get a signed affadavit stating  the owner has passed and I bought the car from the estate.
When I do the transfer,I will be using my C BARGE plates.
 
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Post by: Steve on April 18, 2011, 05:28:42 PM



[color=#ff0033" size="7" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]IS IT DONE YET?[/color]
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Post by: Brian on April 19, 2011, 07:03:29 AM

Quote from: POLARACO


[color=#ff0033" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="7]IS IT DONE YET?[/color]

Again......Think Steve has the Half-heimers....he only forgets half the stuff he's already done....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

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Post by: Steve on April 19, 2011, 03:14:54 PM


It's all a blur now. . . .  Come to think of it, everything is a blur these days
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on April 19, 2011, 04:10:11 PM

Quote from: POLARACO

It's all a blur now. . . .  Come to think of it, everything is a blur these days

So that's why the wreck happened... (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

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Post by: Steve on April 19, 2011, 04:58:52 PM


Basically
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 23, 2011, 06:57:43 PM
The motor is now in.
Had a old woman of a time to get anything to line up properly.
The trans crossmember was not fun.
It is amazing how much pressure the torsion bars put ton the anchors to the point where I had to jack the crossmember into place almost lifting the car off the floor.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/Boabengineinstall001-3.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 23, 2011, 07:04:52 PM
The new Schumacher motor mounts needed some tweaking to fit--especially the left side.
I had to remove the mount and bracket AFTER I dropped the engine in place.
Not impressed especially dropping serious coin on them.
The biscuit had to be twisted by 1/8 an inch to get the bolt through.That required grinding off the nub off the biscuit to twist it to fit.
One ear was bottoming out against the frame,so it too had to be ground down to allow the mount to rest onto the frame. 
I did a test fit with the engine hoist taking the wieght as I checked the fit numerous times before bolting it in for good.
With the engione resting on the frame the bolts would not go through.With a little help with the hoist,they went in.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/Boabengineinstall003-2.jpg)
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 23, 2011, 07:07:45 PM
Tow casualties.
I burnt my arm on my trouble light,now I got water blisters there.
Secondly,I scratched  the firewall dropping in the motor.
No big whoop.
Cat can lick my wounds,and I can touch up the firewall.
CBarge2011-04-24 00:08:00
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 23, 2011, 07:11:19 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/Boabengineinstall005-2.jpg)
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Post by: Steve on April 23, 2011, 07:38:58 PM


What did you do the rest of the day?   Better get crackin. . . .  I'm building up some steam?
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 23, 2011, 07:46:39 PM
Hey,I spent 6 hours in the shop getting that thing to line up.

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Post by: Steve on April 23, 2011, 07:50:03 PM


Watch for my next thread.  I'll teach you the tricks
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Post by: Guests on April 23, 2011, 08:19:31 PM
Granted some are easier than others, most of what I just read sounds like normal stuff, including the firewall dent. Heck, if you don't get at least one of those per car with an engine install, you just aren't trying hard enough!
 
All kidding aside, she looks great........and what Steve said.
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Post by: Steve on April 23, 2011, 08:23:37 PM


When I have a fresh paint job, I throw towels over the back of the motor
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Post by: Jason Goldsack on April 24, 2011, 04:20:07 AM
How the heck did you scratch the firewall.. you put the engine straight in?

I like that colour if I pull my 361 I think it is gonna be blue when it goes back in.. I could care less if it's correct.. it is just a great looking colour..




Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 24, 2011, 06:00:14 AM
A link of chain was poking out and hit the firewall when I was pushing it in.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on April 24, 2011, 08:45:59 AM

Quote from: POLARACO

It's all a blur now. . . .  Come to think of it, everything is a blur these days

Then you better get your eyes checked.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Anyway...looking Good Leaburn. 

Sorry to hear that those schumacher mounts didn't go in as easily as they should.  When I dropped the 440 into the wagon and it was resting full weight...the bolts slid in and I was able to tighten them with my fingers!!  This was the only car that has ever happened on.  Usually it's bars, jacks, loosen and tighten bolts...etc.



Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on April 24, 2011, 01:49:14 PM

Quote from: thrashingcows
   Then you better get your eyes checked.....  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Blind in one eye and can't see out of the other
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 24, 2011, 05:46:51 PM
".....Usually it's bars, jacks, loosen and tighten bolts...etc."
Yep.Exactly.
I now remember I also had to fight with the 440 in the New Yorker back on 2004 as well with the Magnum mount--also a Schumacher product that has since been discontinued.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: azblackhemi on April 24, 2011, 06:11:19 PM
Hey Lea, who's the young guy manning the cherry picker in that last picture?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 25, 2011, 02:28:01 AM
Me,dammit,LOL (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 25, 2011, 02:54:27 PM
here is a simple pic of what was going on..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/DSC01766-1.jpg)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on April 25, 2011, 03:30:13 PM



Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 25, 2011, 04:46:30 PM
I DID.
The last pic was just a simpler way explaining the motor mount quandry.
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on April 25, 2011, 05:52:30 PM


It's also easier to roll the car than the hoist in your case.  That's why I use the trailer
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 25, 2011, 06:12:35 PM
My floor is so smooth I had to keep the crane  and the car from rolling.
Both had wheel chocks,LOL!!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Guests on April 25, 2011, 07:08:36 PM
Ahhhh, part of the reason why they say, install all the bolts hand tightened before tightening any of them up. If the engine block bolts had been loose enough to twist things around, it may have been easier to install. It happens to all of us one time or another, don't let it get to you.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: LulaCici on July 06, 2011, 06:39:18 PM
Rooking good Lea!!! You've come a loooooooong way baby!!!







Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on July 06, 2011, 07:50:18 PM


Advertising is forbidden
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 07, 2011, 07:35:19 AM
Dunno who that is...
Then again i invited several people from the car shows i went to so far this summer..who knows??
I will PM them and find out ...
 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on July 07, 2011, 07:59:57 AM


Looks like Spam
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Bob Schaefer on July 09, 2011, 10:54:47 AM


Bob
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on July 09, 2011, 01:39:02 PM


 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on January 21, 2013, 09:23:04 PM
Leaburn has been quite busy trying to keep his head above water.  I think I may take a ride up there this summer and help him move forward.  Maybe if he can scrape up the moey for the paint, I'll throw some paint on it for him.
 
I have plenty to do on the Blue Diamond.  But not much spending left.  allot of the chrome work is done and paid for and I have enough materials to finish the paint inside and out.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on January 22, 2013, 09:17:10 AM
Ya, been missing Lea being here on the thread like he used to
be...shame about the situation.  Wish I had some parts or
something that'd be useful to help on the BOAB project.  That car
MUST be finished!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 16, 2013, 07:43:27 AM
It is good to be BACK!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on December 16, 2013, 02:20:35 PM
Does this mean you have internet now?
Elaine has been asking about you
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: azblackhemi on December 16, 2013, 06:40:00 PM
A Leaburn sighting! Great news. Hope they become a common thing again!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on December 16, 2013, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: azblackhemi
A Leaburn sighting! Great news. Hope they become a common thing again!

I agree...Good to see you back Leaburn...We've missed you!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: James Brown Jr, on December 17, 2013, 01:28:05 AM
Glad to see you back Lea.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 17, 2013, 12:57:23 PM
No 'net at home. Lurching during lunch on my ole laptop wherever I can get Wi-Fi.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Bob on December 17, 2013, 01:01:17 PM
Hey CBarge, are you on Moparts
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on December 17, 2013, 03:49:51 PM
Quote from: CBarge
No 'net at home. Lurching during lunch on my ole laptop wherever I can get Wi-Fi.

Sit outside the Timmies....they usually have free WiFi....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on December 18, 2013, 06:24:13 AM
Good to HAVE you back Leaburn... wasn't the same around here without you!
Will be great to see progress on her again.

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 18, 2013, 07:12:27 AM
Thanks guys!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 28, 2013, 03:16:44 AM
With the crazy weather we had experienced on top of the holidays,work has yet to start.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: azblackhemi on December 28, 2013, 04:20:43 AM
You know the phrase, Git'er done!!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 28, 2013, 09:24:05 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudget019_zps5ba1592b.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudget019_zps5ba1592b.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on December 28, 2013, 09:33:56 AM
Seems like YEARS since we saw that... well it has been! LOL...will be fun to watch the new progress!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on December 28, 2013, 02:55:16 PM
Now he has to find all the parts  
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on December 28, 2013, 04:38:09 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Now he has to find all the parts  

And remember where he put them....I have spent hours wandering around trying to find stuff!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on December 29, 2013, 01:29:09 PM
LOL  Me too.  I can't wait to staert on the 300H.  It's been in a basket for 12 years now
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: dana44 on December 29, 2013, 04:52:54 PM
Well, got you beat on that. The Triumph has been moved once from its original resting place disassembled and placed into another corner for 18 years now.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Mark on December 30, 2013, 03:37:11 AM

And welcome back Lea!!!!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 30, 2013, 12:27:03 PM
Yes I am. mostly lurching here and the C body dry dock.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 30, 2013, 12:53:35 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudgetdec2013002_zpsd21add0e.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudgetdec2013002_zpsd21add0e.jpg.html)CBarge2013-12-30 18:06:21
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 30, 2013, 12:57:45 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudgetdec2013008_zps5a1d37fe.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudgetdec2013008_zps5a1d37fe.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 30, 2013, 01:00:41 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudgetdec2013006_zpsa5040b8c.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudgetdec2013006_zpsa5040b8c.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 30, 2013, 01:05:25 PM
 (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudgetdec2013010_zpseb43c8d7.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudgetdec2013010_zpseb43c8d7.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 30, 2013, 01:09:13 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudgetdec2013004_zps96cf9e7e.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudgetdec2013004_zps96cf9e7e.jpg.html)CBarge2014-01-03 11:58:25
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 30, 2013, 01:10:02 PM
Happy new Year as well!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on December 31, 2013, 05:10:38 AM
Nice!  Really movin' along..will she be the same red as from the factory?

Seeing pics of actual work hopefully will motivate me to get off the buttski and get something done, if only it'd warm up some!  Happy New Year!


Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Bob on December 31, 2013, 09:09:25 AM
Quote from: CBarge
Quote from: DodgeAddict
Hey CBarge, are you on Moparts
Yes I am. mostly lurching here and the C body dry dock.

Well, you know me as BulletBob there if you didn't recognize my Imperial
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: dana44 on December 31, 2013, 01:12:43 PM
Good job, lots of labor in body work. Ask Chris, he loves that stuff!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: azblackhemi on December 31, 2013, 04:21:18 PM
You got that right Ed!!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on December 31, 2013, 05:00:32 PM
120 grit on a DA makes short order of that.  You don't have enough air for a DA.  You'd need 2 pumps.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Brian on December 31, 2013, 05:19:51 PM
Like the progress...where do you get your Epoxy primer?

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 02, 2014, 07:05:22 AM
Being in the auto service industries does have some benefits and access to schtuff the general public have no access to.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on January 02, 2014, 11:11:58 AM
Actually  You can get that from any autobody paint supply
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 03, 2014, 06:48:02 AM
Yes, however up here in Canuckville certain things are not available to Mr. Joe Public.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 03, 2014, 07:07:33 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudgetdec2013006_zps47108dd4.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudgetdec2013006_zps47108dd4.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 03, 2014, 07:18:18 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudgetdec2013003_zpsc7abd254.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudgetdec2013003_zpsc7abd254.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 03, 2014, 07:26:35 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudgetdec2013007_zps351f507c.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudgetdec2013007_zps351f507c.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: dana44 on January 03, 2014, 09:32:50 AM
Looking real good. Keep it up, lots to do still, but it will keep you out of trouble, right?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 03, 2014, 12:45:57 PM
Trouble finds me--she is my wife,lol!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on January 03, 2014, 02:12:15 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Trouble finds me--she is my wife,lol!


(http://api.ning.com/files/lizO7wR5e-O19zg*8WuZ7JfFWcIq5J9ufg57RXRKupGJOzfXgUkKJId9PI0NBLYtGz-c-d8RtTfWw2wKxfY94DSfB598xxEG/SchultzHogansHeroes.jpgwidth=350&height=405)



Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 22, 2014, 02:04:49 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_leaburnspics027_zps32e4b301.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/leaburnspics027_zps32e4b301.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 22, 2014, 02:06:49 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_leaburnspics036_zpsfda27d0a.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/leaburnspics036_zpsfda27d0a.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 22, 2014, 02:11:23 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_leaburnspics033_zps549f6720.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/leaburnspics033_zps549f6720.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 23, 2014, 08:13:40 AM
Now come down here and put the diamond together.  Last time I looked, there was a 2" thick Ice coating in there
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 23, 2014, 08:15:43 AM
Get somethng on the inside of those patched before they rust
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: dana44 on February 23, 2014, 02:02:53 PM
So everyone finally thawed out enough to at least do some progress posting? Gets pretty lonely checking 20 times a day and a week of nobody posting anything. Glad to see there are a few guys alive out there besides me!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on February 25, 2014, 04:28:34 AM
Glad to see the BOAB project moving again!  When I look back to the beginning it's hard to believe it was that long ago!!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 25, 2014, 07:30:39 AM
CBarge2014-02-25 12:47:15
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 25, 2014, 12:59:59 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_BoaB2014013_zpsd34b6ae9.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BoaB2014013_zpsd34b6ae9.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 25, 2014, 01:03:26 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_BoaB2014022_zps7c30a621.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BoaB2014022_zps7c30a621.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 25, 2014, 01:05:14 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_BoaB2014020_zps6b6ca209.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BoaB2014020_zps6b6ca209.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on February 25, 2014, 01:19:14 PM
He's pretty good with a couple of gallons of AllMetal and some news paper.   LOL
JK  Looks good Lea
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: dana44 on February 25, 2014, 06:26:38 PM
Looking good.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 18, 2014, 08:29:38 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_BoaB2014025_zps8f68eb86.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BoaB2014025_zps8f68eb86.jpg.html)CBarge2014-03-18 18:05:41
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 18, 2014, 08:32:44 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_BoaB2014026_zps2747c9e9.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BoaB2014026_zps2747c9e9.jpg.html)
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Post by: dana44 on March 18, 2014, 11:47:27 AM
Yep, and a majority ends up on the floor when done correctly. Good job, she looks great so far.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 18, 2014, 01:45:20 PM
CBarge2014-03-18 17:56:01
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 18, 2014, 01:58:56 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_BoaB2014034_zpsf0b44f28.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BoaB2014034_zpsf0b44f28.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 18, 2014, 02:01:01 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_BoaB2014035_zpsf6bb0ce1.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BoaB2014035_zpsf6bb0ce1.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 18, 2014, 02:14:32 PM

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 18, 2014, 02:20:11 PM
CBarge2014-03-18 18:25:51
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 18, 2014, 02:24:14 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_BoaB2014032_zpsa4c1e550.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BoaB2014032_zpsa4c1e550.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 18, 2014, 02:28:26 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_BoaB2014033_zps55914895.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/BoaB2014033_zps55914895.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on March 18, 2014, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Quote from: POLARACO
Get somethng on the inside of those patched before they rust
Yessiirr!

We canucks know rust! We now have our own canuckian version of POR-15
It is called DOM-16! Short for "dominion",eh?
Once she is in high build,I will treat the doors with the schtuff!

http://www.dominionsureseal.com/




BP BLASTER!    I had to google it.  Sheeesh

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on March 19, 2014, 06:17:36 AM
She's gonna be sweet - I'll stand behind what I said years ago when you were getting started, this will be the finest '68 Newport 4 dr hrdtp in exi$tence!

My next door neighbor got a new '68  Newport 4 dr seedan about this time of year in the Spring of '68, it was Lime Green Metallic with a matching green brocade cloth upholstery, 383 2 bbl, and I can still remember the new car smell when I sat in it for the first time with my friend Dennis, the neighbor's son. It was a gorgeous car, imo it was the best looking Chrysler since the '65s, and I've loved that particular year ever since... can't wait to see this one when she's done!



Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 24, 2014, 02:02:27 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudgetmarch2014009_zps147bf051.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudgetmarch2014009_zps147bf051.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 24, 2014, 02:03:37 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudgetmarch2014002_zps586a7fc1.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudgetmarch2014002_zps586a7fc1.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 24, 2014, 02:13:34 PM

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 24, 2014, 02:17:45 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudgetmarch2014001_zps4c004e18.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudgetmarch2014001_zps4c004e18.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 24, 2014, 02:20:42 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudgetmarch2014008_zps4f493746.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudgetmarch2014008_zps4f493746.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 24, 2014, 02:23:02 PM
Hopefully we can finish the driver's door, epoxy it, treat the inside of all doors and eventually in high build!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on March 25, 2014, 06:48:51 AM
I've always liked body work better than mechanical work... the rule of thumb I use for hardener (I use CUZ bondo) is a golf ball sized lump of putty to about the diameter of the lump's worth of hardener in a straight line, about 1 1/2" I guess. Usually works pretty well. I like it to start setting up within 3-4 minutes.  sounds like you have a good instructor  there Lea!

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: azblackhemi on March 25, 2014, 08:08:03 AM
I wish I thought of it sooner to turn you on to the primer I'm now using. It's both an Epoxy direct to metal and very high build with absolutely no shrinkage. has saved me a lot of time and money by making the whole priming thing one step. It was developed by a local Hot rod builder out here. I resisted trying it for a long time because I thought it was too good to be true, one primer that had excellent adhesion to bare metal and great filling quality's. Well now I'm kicking myself in the butt for not using it sooner.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on March 25, 2014, 02:05:06 PM
Thanks fro sharing that Chris.  What's the name of this stuff and where can the rest of us get it?
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: azblackhemi on March 25, 2014, 06:51:05 PM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/30/Christmas_201320140325_01.JPG)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 26, 2014, 08:07:17 AM
Most bodymen do not like change,lol!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: azblackhemi on March 26, 2014, 09:05:08 AM
I don't blame him for not wanting to switch in the middle of a job but he should give it a try on the next one. Saves a lot of time and money.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 02, 2014, 07:21:25 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudgetmarch2014014_zps1222e649.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudgetmarch2014014_zps1222e649.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 02, 2014, 07:26:44 AM
 CBarge2014-04-02 12:35:48
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 02, 2014, 07:32:15 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_bargeonabudgetmarch2014018_zpsfb170b1b.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/bargeonabudgetmarch2014018_zpsfb170b1b.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: dana44 on April 02, 2014, 08:20:05 AM
Looks good. Gives one the perspective of why body work and paint jobs are not cheap. Thanks for walking us through this whole process you are going through, eye-opening to say the least.
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Post by: Steve on April 02, 2014, 09:02:46 AM
I hate to bring up this sore point.  I know you get annoyed when I bring it up, but I need to as this anyway.  It's been a long time and I am delibrately making you read to get to the point.  Is it done yet?  LOL
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Post by: firedome on April 03, 2014, 07:56:33 AM
Body & paint work is easy... it's the doing it well part that's hard!
I've done quite a bit and never satisfied with how it comes out.
I have a great deal of respect for those who are good.
Takes years of experience and hard earned knowledge.
Chris for sure, and looks like Tom's in that category too.

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Post by: Brian on April 04, 2014, 06:42:13 PM
Wow looking good.  Sure coming along.  Thanks for sharing the progress.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)

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Post by: Bill Mounteer on April 05, 2014, 01:52:05 PM
Wow Leaburn, what a fantastic job!  The rate you guys are moving you are going to be shopping for plates this summer. 
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 08, 2014, 07:36:13 AM
I have already decided to get the same plate number the car left off with back in 1974. Yes,this car has been OFF the road for 40 years!!
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 09, 2014, 07:41:31 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_boabapril2014012_zps2108bea8.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/boabapril2014012_zps2108bea8.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 09, 2014, 07:48:10 AM

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 09, 2014, 07:49:31 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/th_boabapril2014020_zps3b5ff983.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/boabapril2014020_zps3b5ff983.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 09, 2014, 07:53:00 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_boabapril2014043_zps9d012910.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/boabapril2014043_zps9d012910.jpg.html)
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Post by: firedome on April 10, 2014, 04:52:47 AM
Nice work!!  The creased and highly sculptural lines on these bodies makes then so unique in styling, it's important to make them crisp like that to look right.

Will it go back to the same red color?

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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 11, 2014, 01:13:08 PM
Black top, black interior....sharp.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on April 11, 2014, 03:27:08 PM
How about a set of those turbine headlights?  Nice custom look
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 14, 2014, 07:20:53 AM

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 14, 2014, 07:42:45 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_boabapril2014008_zps8c07becb.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/boabapril2014008_zps8c07becb.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on April 14, 2014, 04:00:51 PM
You want something that will weep into the cracks and crevices.  Back when I was a wee one, they used to squirt oil in all the hidden places.  Used oil stuck better and lasted longer.  Back then it was like crude oil.  LOL
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 15, 2014, 06:50:17 AM

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 15, 2014, 06:53:22 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_boabapril2014014_zpsb1ab0baa.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/boabapril2014014_zpsb1ab0baa.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: firedome on April 15, 2014, 07:11:35 AM
Used oil might stick good but it's not great for rust proofing as it has acid in it from blowby.

I've used Por15, expensive but effective, and has to be used up when opened, as noted. Works best on metal with some "tooth", not so well on clean bare new metal.
 

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on April 15, 2014, 01:27:54 PM
I'm just saying what we did in the 50's.  You should know that
My Dad did my Moms 48 Olds in 53 or so.  He traded it in 64 for a Fury.  Had to squirt oil in the cylinders to get it started
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Post by: R. Dave Carr on April 17, 2014, 09:04:29 AM
That looks like it might be a major time suck.
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Post by: dana44 on April 18, 2014, 05:19:51 PM
Yep, chrome/stainless vibrate rubs against the metal and wears it out. Sucks, but what about lead or lead substitute so it doesn't do the same thing? These are horrible locations to replace metal what with all the welding and grinding. 
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Post by: Steve on April 18, 2014, 06:02:48 PM
You're going to want to put in new molding clips.  Trust me
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Post by: dana44 on April 19, 2014, 11:12:21 AM
Here's a trick that might help later down the road. I have seen trim that had a piece of thin black rubber attached to the edge so it rests against the body panel, prevents rubbing, the dust getting in between and collecting (moisture settles and eats away on flat spots on the bottoms and rusts), and can keep it from rattling, too. You can usually go to a auto glass shop and find clips cheaper than the resto stores.
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Post by: R. Dave Carr on April 19, 2014, 09:16:16 PM
Was watching a few episodes of "Boyd Coddington is a Richard" on Velocity tonight, and noticed a Mustang they were working on had the same type of rust holes.  They cleaned them up, and brazed them closed.  Food for thought.
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on April 20, 2014, 07:38:58 PM
Problem with brazing is warpage
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: R. Dave Carr on April 20, 2014, 08:03:49 PM
Ah ok, of that I was not aware!
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 22, 2014, 06:55:27 AM
Pics to come..soon
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Post by: Steve on April 22, 2014, 08:03:51 AM
Good news
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Post by: dana44 on April 23, 2014, 05:31:01 PM
Definitely good news. Mig welders are an amazing advancement in technology, glad they invented it for us!
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Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 14, 2014, 07:15:10 AM

Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 14, 2014, 07:22:59 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/th_boabapril2014012_zps85438404.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/68Cbarge/media/Barge%20On%20A%20Budget/boabapril2014012_zps85438404.jpg.html)
Title: Barge on Budget 2014 Bit of a lull.
Post by: Steve on May 14, 2014, 03:09:19 PM
So it's not done yet
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Post by: firedome on May 15, 2014, 04:56:38 AM
Glad there was no permanent eye damage Lea!
Your body work looks very professional.
I'm not very good at it,  but I enjoy it more than mechanical work.
Wish my cars ('58 and '64) were as far along as yours, luckily the body work needed is minimal, neither car runs yet, however hoping to get at least one on the road this year. Seem to have less energy every year, but your saga of sticking to working on your '68 is inspiring!