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Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 10, 2008, 03:33:05 PM
http://www.smethporthistory.org/kinzuacollapse.htm (http://www.smethporthistory.org/kinzuacollapse.htm)






 
Well worth the time...  It's sad, but however real. 
 
I rode the (steam) train across it twice in my life.  I walked across and beneath it many times with my father.  The Kinzua Viaduct was once billed as the Eighth Wonder of the World, when constructed in 1900...
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Steve on January 10, 2008, 05:06:34 PM
Matt. . .we were getting off subject, but it is a good topic of discussion.
 
Bob and I have visited one similar.  Paulins Kill Viaduct.  It's out by Bob's house on the PA border.  Minutes off Rt 80.  They're supposed to be revitalizing it as a commuter line.
 
Here's the google search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=paulins+kill+viaduct&btnG=Google+Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=paulins+kill+viaduct&btnG=Google+Search)
 
Here's one of the links
http://www.nynjctbotany.org/njrvtofc/paulinst.html (http://www.nynjctbotany.org/njrvtofc/paulinst.html)
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/feet.jpg)
 
POLARACO2008-01-10 22:15:10
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Bill Mounteer on January 10, 2008, 06:41:20 PM
Cool, I like train stuff.

BTW we got a few up here in the frozen north! Check this one.   (http://www.lethbridge.ca/home/Enjoying+Lethbridge/Picture+Gallery/Landmarks/High+Level+Bridge/High+Level+Bridge.htm)It's the longest and highest of its kind in the world.


Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on January 10, 2008, 07:08:16 PM
I love train stuff too!, I am into model trains since young. Also I
could be a conductor for NJ Transit since my friends father is pretty
high up, the opportunity is there! I visited a viaduct very similar
close to the Delaware water gap , boy was that creepy.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on January 10, 2008, 07:20:49 PM
Hey Matt what Happened to Conrail I thought they were a railroad giant.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Dan Cluley on January 10, 2008, 07:30:47 PM
Is that Paulins Kill Viaduct on the old Lackawanna?  It looks like the same style as the Tunkhannock Viaduct up by Scranton.  That one is HUGE.
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on January 10, 2008, 07:35:25 PM
Holy Crap Matt It just clicked I beleive thats the one i was at years
later it was in Weird NJ theres wild stuff in that Viaduct!, Its a
beautiful Structure, there was a man burried in concrete around the
middle of the span theres a grave and everything.


Potatoe2008-01-11 00:40:49
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Steve on January 11, 2008, 01:59:43 PM
The last time I was up there, I didn't see the one in Scranton.
It was owned by several railroads.  I believe Lackawanna was one of them.  Now it's New Jersey Transit.
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 12, 2008, 12:49:29 PM
They were Spuds...  they were (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif)   Conrail's last year of operation made thier stock holders VERY happy as it was a record year with record earnings.
 
Conrail was dissolved in 1998, with it's assets split between CSX transportation and Norfolk Southern.  The transition is ongoing ten years later.  I still see many Conrail-blue units in consists around the Altoona area.  Many ex-Conrail SD40-2s still wear it in helper service.  Blue or black, they all carry NS road numbers.
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 12, 2008, 04:07:22 PM
Starucca Viaduct...  I visited this with my family as a child and never forgot it.
 
http://www.lanesboropa.com/photos.html (http://www.lanesboropa.com/photos.html)
 
 
 
 
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 12, 2008, 04:11:44 PM
Here's a link to Erie RR's Tunkhannock (Nicholson) Viaduct...  GREAT pics!  I'm still learning it's history...  the last I knew it was still in use bt CSX and Amtrak!
 
http://www.newyorkrailroads.com/Nicholson/ (http://www.newyorkrailroads.com/Nicholson/)
 
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 12, 2008, 04:18:36 PM
The Kinzua Viaduct was over 300 feet tall and stretched a half mile.
 
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/aerial.jpg)
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/kinzua3.jpg)
 
 
MoparMatt2008-01-13 15:59:08
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 12, 2008, 04:22:41 PM
I personally like this picture, my father took it whilst looking through Kinzua's spans back in the 1980's.
 
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/kinzua4.jpg)
 
It's almost ghostlike, just as this bridge is today...
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Dan Cluley on January 12, 2008, 11:07:09 PM
Tunkhannock is about 10-15 miles North of Scranton.  I think the village right below the bridge makes it seem even larger than it already is.
 
Matt,  That picture from your father is really amazing. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)
 
I finally looked up Cassandra.  I think the closest I've been is Lilly.  Most trips we've followed the tracks to Cresson, but then 22 back to Pittsburgh.  Did go up through Indiana and Punxutawney to I-80 once.  I suspect that is a very scenic drive in the daytime, but after dark, those back roads are  not much fun for a flatlander.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif)
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on January 13, 2008, 10:44:13 AM
I passed under a viaduct that looked just like the Paulines Kill
Viaduct on 80 yesturday on my way back from Mt Pocono. The Paulines
Kill Viaduct is definatley the one i have visited is very impressive
and you almost get the feeling its watching you as you walk
away..Creepy.



Sweet Pictures Matt, Thanks for the Info on Conrail thats a bummer.



Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Steve on January 13, 2008, 11:41:51 AM
That's the same line P.  But there is allot more of it in the woods.  A very scenic ride that would be.  Wish I had a 4 wheeler
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 13, 2008, 12:42:40 PM
Hence the reason I should go to werk for a railroad.  Those guys get the greatest scenery in America! 
Kinzua was so remote it took an hour-long car ride to find it before it was declared a State Park in the early 1970's.  (I was almost born under that same bridge in 1971 thanks to one of my Dad's excursions.  Mom was 8.75 mos pregnant at the time and started having contractions.  The long forgotten road that passed underneath Kinzua was meant for a Forest Service Jeep, NOT a Buick!  VERY rougn...  I was born a few days later without complications and in a hospital (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif))
 
Cassandra is a great photo-op spot Dan!  The old PA-53 overpass is from the '20s and is barely wide enough for a U-Hual truck!  Being on it when a stack train goes underneath is a true rush!  This little park offers great views east and west and there are NO obstructions that one's viewfinder always picks up.  Westbounds are best shot in the PM and vice-versa.  Come for a visit and we'll tour!
 
I'm still researching the B&O's Allegheny River bridge crossing just east of Salamanca NY.  That line is still used by the Buffalo & Pittsburgh and runs parallel to the old Erie right of way (which crossed Kinzua 30 miles away in Mt. Jewitt, PA)  Salamanca had a railroad rivalry going on back in the day.  The Erie had a terminal on the west end and the B&O on the east (with a 360-degree roundhouse and three story brick bunkhouse).  B&O's bunkhouse is still used by the B&P as a crew change location, the Erie's terminal is just a train station museum with the original coaling towers still standing.
 
I'll dig out the pics...
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 13, 2008, 01:24:21 PM
Here's a pic of the train I last rode over Kinzua...
 
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/kinzuaviaduct7.jpg)
A Tangshan(China)-built Mikado class No.5Y58 at the north end of Kinzua Viaduct.
 
 
Kinzua in July of 2003:
 
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/kinzuaviaduct1.jpg)
You can clearly see the tornado's path just east of the structure.
 
 
Another view, from Bridgeview Cemetery several miles away in Mt Jewitt on the same roadtrip.
 
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/kinzuaviaduct8.jpg)
 
Disclaimer:
These pix are copyrighted by me and may only be horked if one really wishes to really hork em.  Better images are available via request, and stuff. (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
 
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Steve on January 13, 2008, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: MoparMatt
I was born a few days later without complications and in a hospital (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
 
 
Except he was dropped on his head. . .
 
There was a  line running throught he Deleware Water Gap.  Last I knew it was supposed to connect to Stroudsburgh, and run east, eventually ending in Newark, where the Path is used into the city.  But it seems to me it was changed and didn't run out of PA anymore.  It's probably because those Poconoers have a death wish the way they drive. . .   Anyway, the last I noticed, there was only one track running, with a bed for 3 or 4.  Last I saw there was freight cars on it.
 
I went up to the Scranton Train Museum, 20 years ago and was very disappointed.
 
I wish I had the time to chase this stuff. . .  Most of the REAL history in in the North and North east.  PA has a weath of it as North Jersey has.
 
POLARACO2008-01-13 18:50:57
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on January 13, 2008, 01:47:56 PM
Thought that was the same line Steve. Matt thats wild stuff man, I
would like to visit some of the see railroad museums in PA one day and
maybe take a ride on a steam engine. Too bad that bridge is now in
disrepair and mostly destroyed.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 13, 2008, 02:11:05 PM
http://www.gsmrrclub.org/HISTORY/history5i.html

My Great grandfather ran trains across this bridge many times....I found it by accident one day trying to find a McDonald's for lunch while at a resto shop up there. It just appeared out of nowhere! I climbed up a bank and took some of the white ballast the Lackawanna was famous for, and some shale that the whole mountain was created from.


Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 13, 2008, 02:24:43 PM
http://www.gsmrrclub.org/HISTORY/history5i.html (http://www.gsmrrclub.org/HISTORY/history5i.html)
 

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Robert F. Brogle on January 16, 2008, 04:22:27 PM
I FINALLY made it to Starrucca Viaduct in the Fall. It's very impressive.  The Lackawanna bridges are newer than Starrucca and built as a moderinization and grade elimination project by the Lackawanna RR in 1915.  This project eliminated many severe grades and gave the Lackawanna the shortest route of any carrier between NYC and Buffalo.  The portion between Binghampton and Scranton survives as part of the D&H division of the CP. NS and the Delaware-Lackawanna RR operate the rest in the area of the water gap and in upstate NY.  Conrail abandonedthe New Jersey segment (know as the cutoff or Lackawanna Cutoff) to prevent competition from obtaining it and diluting it's lucrative traffic base of chemicals and merchandise in to the metro area. 
 
NJ and PA want to rebuild it to host an NYC-Scranton Amtrak train as well as some commuer service.  The abandoned portion was removed in 1983.
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 20, 2008, 12:50:45 PM
We finally got to Cassandra today, not a great day for taking pix but it werked.  I left my ol' Nikon in the car and stayed with the digi as it was a thermometer-bustin' 8-degrees!
 
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/cass1.jpg)
 
 
Eastbound, up the grade, towards Cresson and the summit at Gallitzin and it's famed tunnels.
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/cass2.jpg)
 
 

Westbound, towards Portage, Johnstown and the Steel City.  It's an easy trek from here on out as the grade is in the engineer's mirror!
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/cass4.jpg)
 
 
 
The overpass was once PA 53.
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/cass5.jpg)
 
 
AAAAAND she's narrow!  Brad and I dueling cameras!  The bridge was once wider...
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/cass3.jpg)
 
 
The only action of the visit!
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/cass6.jpg)
 
 
I lucked out as it was a double stack!  Look at the amount of clearance or lack thereof!  That's less-than three feet! 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/cass7.jpg)
 
 
Don't fall Brad!
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/cass8.jpg)
 
 

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 20, 2008, 03:46:50 PM
Great pics Matt

BTW, yer nutz! 8 degrees outside, like we had, and you're out chasin trains!
as Polaraco says....

Sheesh!


Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Steve on January 20, 2008, 05:34:42 PM
No Pain. . No Gain
No Brain. . No Pain
 
POLARACO2008-01-20 22:35:18
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Sissy on January 22, 2008, 03:52:24 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
No Pain. . No Gain
No Brain. . No Pain
 
Good Shots. . . (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
 
Steve I have to agree with you all the way. I sat in the jeep i'm no dummy. When he got back in the jeep Matt said its cold out there.(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif)  I said no kiddin you dumb ------.
I even went as far to tell him if he had a brain he would be dangerous.  See !!!!!! (it's a man thing)
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 22, 2008, 05:58:40 AM
Let's call it determination.  Yes, it was miserable but I knew as soon as we would have driven off... (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)
 
Sundays are tough to predict until late in the day on the line.  Eastbound Amtrak is usually within a few minutes of schedule but frieghts are sporadic.
 
Let's not forget too, elemental factors are a tool in photography.  Had that last pic been taken in July, there would have been no snow blowing out from under that eastbound giving an indication of the speed needed to achieve the summit of the grade.  By the time that train reaches Gallitzin it'll be crawling at full throttle.
 
As far as "No Brain", after a few minutes in the warm car I could finally remember my last name once again.  The thawing process had begun (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif) and I achieved by goal!
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on January 22, 2008, 12:39:36 PM

Well worth the journey Matt, I am surrounded by rail lines here
Conrail/CSX/Northfolk&Southern just finished a new line right near
my house, now it looks like NJ Transit is about to add another line to
the Raritan Valley line.



There are now 2 frieght lines and there has always been 2 Passenger lines and they are right next to each other.



One day I'll see what kind of sweet shots I can get for you fellas, Not
to mention the Conrail/CSX/NS&Southern line right behind my house.


Potatoe2008-01-22 17:40:55
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: R. Dave Carr on January 29, 2008, 06:22:24 PM
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6876/sp83801by2.th.jpg) (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sp83801by2.jpg)      
 
 
 
 




Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 29, 2008, 08:57:06 PM

(http://img5.pictiger.com/ot/cc/472865e8dd672967eb004f278531d1cc.th.jpg) (http://just4shtuff.pictiger.com/images/11972355/)

(Click on image for larger view)

This is when the local train decided to hit a school bus in front of my shop......






just kiddin....it was set up as a fire dept. drill!


Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 30, 2008, 04:31:29 AM
Alco meets bus...  Let's hope what was learned from that exercise never has to be put into active use.  Something's missing, where's all of Polaraco's cars?
 
Perhaps one of the most interesting facets of railroad history is the pursuit of what WAS.  Here I live in a town where steel wheels haven't touched a rail head in over twenty-years.  Virtually everything is gone.  I've been trying to map the old PRR from here to the Pittsburgh Division since I moved here in 2005.  Much of the old grade still exists, albiet hard to trace in many locations.  My topo maps are a great aid, however I want to physically be there as to understand how the line got to it's location.
 
In Bakerton (just south of here) there once was a very large yard and loco/car servicing facility.  The PRR main ran through this location.  Coal trains were loaded and classified here.  At what was the yard there are only a few crumbling buildings and this
 
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/bakerton2.jpg)
 
According to a friend of mine, the four-track coaling tower lasted until the late '90s.
 
More to come...
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on January 30, 2008, 08:52:57 PM
Matt when did the PRR go out of buisness?

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 31, 2008, 06:36:29 AM
Well, the PRR didn't really go out of business in so much, but they did fall into some very poor financial times.
 
In 1968 PRR, New York Central, and New Haven merged together to form the Penn Central System.  It was the largest corporate merger in history.  Those three class one carriers were all once mighty giants, however the decline in passenger business and the increasing amount of goods shipped by truck sucked the life's blood from them each.
 
This wasn't enough to fix the problem as the same issues plagued the PC until it went into receivership.  It was then that the government stepped in and created Conrail from the PC, along with several other ailing eastern roads in 1976.
 
Here's a Conrail family tree so to speak
 
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/heritage.jpg)
 
MoparMatt2008-01-31 11:40:19
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: R. Dave Carr on January 31, 2008, 06:56:06 AM
Matt, what line is that you were reffering to as being pulled up?
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 31, 2008, 07:06:21 AM
Quote from: carrman
Matt, what line is that you were reffering to as being pulled up?
 


Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: R. Dave Carr on January 31, 2008, 07:34:38 AM
I knew it was Pennsy, just wondering what it was called, and when it was pulled.
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Steve on January 31, 2008, 10:02:51 AM
ConRail
 
More Like Con Job.  I read an article how they get subsities from Uncle Sammy.  Those bean counters and ignorant politicians make the Rail Roads what they are today.  Railroads could easily kick butt if they wanted too.  But that would mean the exec's would have to work for a living.
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on January 31, 2008, 10:03:59 AM
According to my lousy maps it was known as the PRR Susquehanna Extension Branch.  Officially it ran from Bradley Junction to Cherry Tree.  It was abandoned in the mid 1980s.
 
MoparMatt2008-01-31 15:25:44
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: R. Dave Carr on January 31, 2008, 10:14:59 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
ConRail
 
 
 
Conrail did get subsidies in the early years.  Created out of the ashes of the Northeastern bankrupts, Conrail was able to shed thousands of excess employees to federally funded retirement, and rid itself of thousands of miles of uneeded track, where as the predecessor companies were not able to.  CR turned the corner in the mid 80's, becoming quite profitable under the guidance of L. Stanley Crane.  Profitable enough that both the Norfolk Southern and CSX sparred over it several times beofre coming up with the plan that split it between the 2 companies.
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on February 05, 2008, 01:39:35 PM
Thats interesting Stuff fellas, damn shame what happened to this
countries railways. At least Union Pacific and Santa Fe are still
kicking on the west coast.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Steve on February 05, 2008, 02:47:56 PM
Funny this is running whan it is.  This just appeared in todays paper right in my home town.
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/loco1.jpg)
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/loco2.jpg)
 
 
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 05, 2008, 03:50:04 PM
I knew Earle Gil Sr. ! His wife used to do my mom's hair. I spent many, many times playing driving in my dad's 1966 NewYorker in the Gil's parking lot waiting for mom to come out.
He had lots of railroad memorabilia in his backyard, including a full height signal tower. It was a iron stand with a semaphore signal paddle on top. He was nice and was the driving force for that museum in Whippany. Earle died just last year....

BTW, the Morristown and Erie is the line that runs past my shop and staged that train/bus accident drill...

Cool find Steve!


Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Steve on February 05, 2008, 06:00:39 PM
That's right next to AIC Bob. . . Nest time you run down there for me. . . .
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on February 06, 2008, 12:49:41 PM
Steve I would like to read that article, safe it for me please.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on February 06, 2008, 02:43:43 PM
DITTO!  What Spuds said...
 
I'd like to do some research on that engine.
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Steve on February 06, 2008, 04:31:03 PM
It's covered in tomato sauce and orange peels now.
 
Here it is on line
http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008802050329 (http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008802050329)
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on February 07, 2008, 07:55:58 PM
My aunt used to own a pizzaria with my uncle in Hackensack and there
was a place that used to restore old locomotives really close to her
restaurant. There was a locomotive that they took over there that
reminded of the one in the article. Every New Years eve they would blow
all the old steam whisles! it was pretty awsome idk if that place is
still there.

     Even better behind her old apartment was a
frieght line and everyone in awhile you would spot a Lackawana engine
rolling by!



Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on March 10, 2008, 02:07:14 PM
En'route to Erie on Friday I got lucky (from the photographing train buff's standpoint (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)).
 
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/mftrain1.jpg)
 
This steel trestle spans PA-36 just before US-219 in Mahaffey, PA.  According to my old maps this was once the PRR's branch to two coal mines in northern Cambria and NE Indiana counties.  I do not know the branches name.  This trestle dates from the turn of the century as far as I could decipher from it's construction.  It is nearly .25 miles long!  This R J Corman train was powered by four GP-38-2 locomotives, the lead unit being freshly repainted in thier nice maroon and white paint scheme.  The power was leading approximately 80 loaded hoppers.
 
 
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/mftrain2.jpg)
 
This cottage resides next to the highway and is used for picture scale purposes.  (it looks to get flooded a lot too...  ) 
 
MoparMatt2008-03-10 18:08:55
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Steve on March 10, 2008, 03:18:53 PM
Off to a power plant so you could post this. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
 
Nice shot.  Next time be quicker. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
Looked pretty balmy there
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on March 10, 2008, 04:18:07 PM
It wasn't really balmy...  It was freezing rain, nearly snow on Friday afternoon ahead of the storm.  I didn't take any other camera.  I take better care of my film cameras than that... 
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on March 17, 2008, 03:24:51 PM


See Below.


Potatoe2008-03-17 19:30:05
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on March 17, 2008, 03:27:43 PM


(http://www.iinet.com/%7Eenglishriver/LewisClarkColumbiaRiver/Images06/SP4449_excursion_train_at_wind_river_2006.jpg)



Thats one sweet Steam Engine!!, All aboard!!!!






Potatoe2008-03-17 19:28:48
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: R. Dave Carr on March 17, 2008, 03:35:14 PM
Been in the cab at Brooklyn, OR roundhouse where she's kept, talked with Doyle Mc Cormick, the man who restored her and runs her, numerous times.   Little known fact, 4449 has a control box on board so she can run diesels behind her when needed.  GM's Electromotive Division even made her a builders plate attached to the control unit. 
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on March 17, 2008, 03:50:10 PM
Thats pretty awsome Dave!!, Quick question though what does the builders plate do? It really is a beautiful Steam Locomotive.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: R. Dave Carr on March 17, 2008, 03:53:28 PM
It's the data plate for the locomotive.  The ironic thing is EMD has always been a diesel builder, and for them to do a builders plate for a steamer......
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Matt Aker on March 17, 2008, 05:16:51 PM
Remember that the SP GS4's were built at the end of the steam era, let alone the steam SUPER-POWER era.  I live in Pennsy land and there are but a few examples left.  At least the Nickle Plate preserved a few Lima Berkshires
 
Doyle McComick did a heck of a job on this locomotive!  It's been showcased in many forms over the past few years.  It was dressed as a WWII "War Baby" for a while...  BEAUTIFUL ENGINE!
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Post by: Mike on March 18, 2008, 12:55:38 PM
Its always been a childhood dream of mine to be behind the firebox and be the engineer of a awsome steam locomotive like that.

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Post by: Matt Aker on March 18, 2008, 01:01:24 PM
Mine too P!  I've ridden aboard a couple EMD's but they're just not the same by a long shot.
Regarding that SP GS4...  Remember the flik Tough Guys?  Doyle had a cameo as the locomotive's engineer right as Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas hijacked the train and took it to Mexico!
Great movie!
 
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Post by: Steve on March 18, 2008, 04:00:33 PM
Many Many Moons ago, My Dad replaced the old wood burner box with 2 oil burners.  The did a heck of a job on the flats, but the old engineer that drove it kept throttling it to heat up the wheels an sucked the flames off the burners. They later made some flu changes to prevent that and made some draft changes.  After that it would run up to 30 MPH on the flats and 20 on some steep hills.
 
That was back in the early 60's.  I got to ride with dad on the maiden trip with the new rig.  Don't know where the locomotive went. . It may still be parked at the museum in the next town from ours.
 
Memories
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Post by: Mike on March 18, 2008, 04:37:12 PM
Thats interesting Steve, I wonder what classification Steam engine it was.

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Post by: Mike on March 18, 2008, 04:43:05 PM
Hey Matt!!!! we should take to the RAILROAD MUSEUM OF PENNSYLVANIA one day! I was just on their website and what a collection they have.

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Post by: Mike on March 18, 2008, 05:01:51 PM


(http://www.jefflubchanskycpa.com/CR2233STRSBGPA-AP17-4D83.jpg)



This one goes out to Matt, there ya go buddy!


Potatoe2008-03-18 21:06:14
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Post by: R. Dave Carr on March 18, 2008, 05:07:59 PM
Ah, the GP30.  The only time GM's styling department had a hand in the design of a production freight locomotive.
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Post by: Mike on March 18, 2008, 05:27:46 PM
    Dave, growing up with tracks right behind my house, all we used to see
was GP30'S-40'S- and 50'S. Man what a rumble they cause on the ground
when 1-4 are pulling over 100 cars!. We were crazy little kids and were
always playing by / on / walking on the tracks. But it was always a
Blue Conrail engine when I was a kid.
 




     Then one day I noticed that there werent anymore Blue engines
around, everyonce in awhile you see one if your lucky, a surviving
GP30-40 or switcher. As Matt had mentioned it was like around 98? that
Conrail was no more Major bummer I missed out on the great railroad
days of old when it was New York Central VS Pennsylvania Railroad
competeing.

 



   In Jersey city there is an Old PRR station where railcars
used to be loaded on to railcar barges and taken over to NYC before the
Hudson tunnels where built. In fact theres and awsome book written
about it. Its called Pennsylvania Station the Gilded Age. I wrote down
the author I have to find it, I started reading it and it was really
good. I have to go buy it as I was reading it in the store one day in
Seattle. When I find the author I'll post it for youse guys.


Potatoe2008-03-18 21:28:14
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Post by: Matt Aker on March 18, 2008, 05:28:11 PM
I'm up for the tour!  Thanks gang, Dave and Spuds!  I'm wondering what that GP30's road number was when originally purchased by the PRR.  30's are RARE, only made in 1964!
 
Call Me!  We'll do the Pennsy tour!
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Post by: R. Dave Carr on March 18, 2008, 05:30:31 PM
Buddy of mine owned 5 ex Chessie GP30's, and 2 ex PRR GP35's.  Most have been sold now though, but he still has one GP30, and both GP35's.
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Post by: Matt Aker on March 18, 2008, 05:34:41 PM
It's not strange that simple passions run a parallel line!  You and I need to get together Dave!
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Post by: Mike on March 18, 2008, 05:34:45 PM
Man I need my own Railroad. It will still be the PRR lol!

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Post by: Matt Aker on March 18, 2008, 05:44:03 PM
P...  You and I were BOTH born too late!  But we can try like HELL!
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Post by: Mike on March 18, 2008, 05:47:13 PM
We sure can Matt!, I got a friend whose dad works for NJ Transit, see if I can't pull some strings!

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Post by: Stitcherbob on March 18, 2008, 08:31:07 PM
Too bad all of my Railroad Museum of PA pictures were all taken on 35mm Tater.....I have several years worth around here somewhere.....before and after they built the new addition.

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Post by: firedome on March 19, 2008, 08:00:46 AM
When Conrail was liquidated in '98, the CEO,  David LeVan, who was
a Gettysburg College grad, went back home to help the College in a
number of projects, and opened up Battlefield Harley- Davidson, one of
the biggest H-D dealers in the US! - it's really something!! My
daughter was at the college at the time, and lots of publicity was
given. Conrail was extremely successful under LeVan's leadership, as is
CSX today... signed,  an old B & O fan. RA


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Post by: Mike on March 19, 2008, 12:44:45 PM
So David LeVan runs CSX today? What the crap does CSX stand for anyway?

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Post by: R. Dave Carr on March 19, 2008, 12:45:42 PM
Chessie Seaboard.
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Post by: Mike on March 19, 2008, 12:53:08 PM
Thanks Dave, So I knew that at one time Chessie as its own company did
it consolidate or merge to form CSX or is it still its own company?

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Post by: R. Dave Carr on March 19, 2008, 12:57:30 PM
CSX was the merger of the Seaboard Coast Line and Chessie System, both of which were the products of mergers.
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Post by: Mike on March 19, 2008, 12:59:24 PM
Your right on today Dave! Thanks again for answering my questions.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)

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Post by: R. Dave Carr on March 19, 2008, 01:04:15 PM
Trains have been a life long hobby of mine.  I moderate a couple of Yahoo railroad related mailing lists, I'm president of our local model railroad club, and I write product reviews for "Model Railroad News".  You can say I'm a bit into it......(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
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Post by: firedome on March 19, 2008, 02:06:58 PM
No, Dave LeVan retired to Gettysburg, grew a ponytail and rides
Harley's from his dealership, after he arranged the sale of ConRail. He
was also Pres. of the Board of Trustees of Gettysburg College. ConRail
was formed from the remains of the Penn Central and NY Central. CSX was
run by John Snow until he went to work as Treasury Secretary in
2002(?)... CSX was the Chessie System, which itself was formed from a
merger of the B & O, Baltimore & Ohio, the country's oldest
railroad (see "Tom Thumb") and the C & O,  Chesapeake and
Ohio, back around the '70s. I think the Norfolk Southern was in there
too...my wife's Mom & Uncle both worked for the B & O in
Baltimore back in the '40s to '60s.



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Post by: R. Dave Carr on March 19, 2008, 02:10:52 PM
Instead of Norfolk Southern, think Western Maryland.  The original NS went into the Southern.  Conrail was comprised of the Erie Lackawanna, Central of New Jersey,  Lehigh and Hudson River, Lehigh Valley, the Reading, and Penn Central.  These lines were all bankrupt and bleeding at the formation of Conrail on April Fools Day 1976.  Penn Central was the core of the new Conrail system.  Penn Central itself had been formed by the merger of old rivals New York Central, and the Pennsylvania, with the New York, New Haven, and Hartford forced onto the PC by the ICC in 1969.carrman2008-03-19 18:20:49
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Post by: Matt Aker on March 19, 2008, 02:23:25 PM
(http://moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/heritage.jpg)
 





MoparMatt2008-03-19 18:25:23
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Post by: R. Dave Carr on March 19, 2008, 02:25:18 PM
Well I knew all of the major components of CR off the top of my head....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
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Post by: Matt Aker on March 19, 2008, 02:30:36 PM
I figured if anyone did it would be you Dave (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)  I just wish I could find comparable heritage charts for CSX Transportation and NS Corp.
 
It's all NS and R J Corman around here.  Corman is getting big however.  With the increasing comeback of the coal industry they are a shiny new penny in the eyes of investors.
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Post by: Mike on March 20, 2008, 02:10:37 PM
Maybe ALCO should start building steam engines again. The only problem is the tree huggers would cry too much.

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Post by: Matt Aker on March 20, 2008, 02:19:19 PM
If my memory stands correct there was a steam locomotive design proposed as late as the early '80s.  The designer was Ross Rowland (some of you should know that name) and it was based on a 4-8-4 wheel arrangement and could meet the EPA requirements of that time.  I don't recall if was a coal or oil burning design however.  I need to dig out the TRAINS magazine... 
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Post by: R. Dave Carr on March 20, 2008, 02:22:06 PM
The ACE 3000.

http://www.trainweb.org/tusp/ult.html (http://www.trainweb.org/tusp/ult.html)
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Post by: Matt Aker on March 20, 2008, 02:25:11 PM
Thanks Dave!  You just saved me a trip to the attic (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)
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Post by: Mike on March 20, 2008, 02:29:34 PM
Very Interesting article!! Which railroad was C & O?. The ACE 3000
looks like a diesel locomotive with a steam engines bottom attached. It
just dosent look the same, but would still be an awsome idea! They have
the technology available these days to make burning coal really clean
and efficient. I think steam deserves another chance!

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Post by: Matt Aker on March 20, 2008, 02:49:28 PM
Chesapeake and Ohio.  Chessie System and CSX came later.
 
C&O 614 (Lima-built 4-8-4 cir. 1948) is kept in Port Jervis, NJ. awaiting a few repairs so she can return to excursion service.  Ross Rowland spearheaded her restoration too.
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Post by: Steve on March 20, 2008, 03:50:03 PM
Quote from: carrman
The ACE 3000.

 
Wish you knew that much about electronic ignitions on a Mopar. . . (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
That was a great site Dave.  Thanks (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
 
Several days ago I mentioned my Dad put a couple of oil burners in a steam engine.  I happened to be down by the museum today and looked over the yard.  There used to be a Locomotive there with some vintage cars.  Now all I found was one Diesel electric there.  I'll try to find out where the Loco went and what it was.  It had 3 big wheels on it.  That's all I remember.
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Post by: Mike on March 20, 2008, 03:51:10 PM
Is the 614 still in active grunt work service. It said in the article
she was used to see how a steam engine would work in the extreme
conditons in West Virginia, as a basis of testing for the ACE 3000.

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Post by: R. Dave Carr on March 20, 2008, 03:54:42 PM
I've been playing with Mopars for less than a year.....  I've been playing with trains for over 30!  Wonder why I know more about trains......(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
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Post by: Steve on March 20, 2008, 04:01:48 PM
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Boy Sensitive. 
 
Then you'll catch on fast to Mopars.  They're more powerful than a locomotive. . . Or is that you. . . .  No you leep tall buildings.  Or is that Matt.  Whos the guy with the red cape?  Oh that's Bob! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)
 
POLARACO2008-03-20 20:02:38
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Post by: Mike on March 20, 2008, 05:12:25 PM

I want to Drive this "Big Boy" king of the Rails!



(http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/excurs/graphics/my3985.jpg)



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Post by: Mike on March 27, 2008, 04:57:39 PM
The Big Boy was a serious locomotive. The southern Pacific seams to be
one of the lucky old companies who was able to stick it out and
continue on.

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Post by: Matt Aker on March 27, 2008, 05:16:15 PM
Sorry P.  That is a UP challenger 4-6-6-4.  A very impressive steam engine regardless.  The last I checked there were NO Big-Boys on the active restoration lists.  The 5000's were the ultimate in steam power, however the C&O Allegheny-class 2-6-6-6 was bigger and heavier.
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Post by: Guests on March 27, 2008, 05:30:12 PM
BIG BOY GREENBAY WI. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/14/up40171.jpg)supersled2008-03-27 21:31:35
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Post by: Mike on March 27, 2008, 05:42:51 PM



(http://www.steamlocomotive.com/bigboy/4019a.jpg)

Heres one at work.

Heres a sweet website that has all sorts of great information about the UP Big Boy.

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/bigboy/ (http://www.steamlocomotive.com/bigboy/)


Potatoe2008-03-27 21:50:18
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Post by: Mike on April 25, 2008, 04:24:45 PM
Hey Matt, what line is MLW or what was that locomotive that Bob caught while taking a picture of Big Red.

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Post by: Dan Cluley on April 26, 2008, 02:27:46 AM
ALCO (American Locomotive COmpany) built steam engines, and then diesels in Schenectady NY until 1969.
 
MLW (Montreal Locomotive Works) was a canadian company that built engines using Alco designs (with some modifications for the Canadian market)
Production there continued into the '80s?  
At some point they were bought by Bombardier (the snowmobile people)
 
 
 
The other major diesel builders are GE (General Electric) and EMD (until a couple of years ago the Electromotive Division of General Motors)  Now independently owned and building engines in London Ontario.
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Post by: Mike on April 26, 2008, 05:31:26 PM
Thanks for the Info Dan! I knew ALCO was the American Locomotive
Company. GE makes awesome stuff. Didnt really know much about EMD guess
GM sold em out to save cash.

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Post by: Mike on May 30, 2008, 09:56:04 AM
Hey Matt!, Summer is here and we need to do some serious planning to
get this trip underway. Wees got trains to look at and trouble to get
into.

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Post by: Matt Aker on May 30, 2008, 12:00:20 PM
Heh heh heh (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
If we get into too much trouble Siss will clunk us both (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif)    After spending so much time at Siss' mum's house I can estimate about 4 to 6 trains per hour on that artery during the week.  Weekend traffic is lighter and rather unpredictable.
 
 
PM me yer phone numbers and I'll try to call ya tonight or later tomorrow.
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Post by: Mike on October 23, 2008, 01:27:54 PM
Hey Matt, what was the time period of the Penn Central, the Mid 60's?

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Post by: R. Dave Carr on October 23, 2008, 01:32:59 PM
I are not Matt, but the PC lasted from 1968 until April Fools Day 1976.
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Post by: Mike on October 23, 2008, 02:09:50 PM
Thats okay Dave! Thanks for answering my question. I thought it ended when the Gvt made Amtrack in 1971.

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Post by: R. Dave Carr on October 23, 2008, 02:34:53 PM
No, all Amtrak did was releive the railroads of their passenger obligations.  Conrail's formation in 1976 was what erased the PC, LV, L&HR, Reading, CNJ, and EL. 
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Post by: Mike on October 23, 2008, 02:41:39 PM
Okay Dave, that makes sense. And Conrail lasted untill 1997 right.

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Post by: R. Dave Carr on October 23, 2008, 02:42:38 PM
Right, that's when it was split between NS and CSX.
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Post by: Mike on October 23, 2008, 02:47:26 PM
At least i was right on the ball with that. I'm going to be doing a
research project on Pennsy locomotives. Basically it is going to be
from Steam to the use of Electric locomotives like the GG1.

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Post by: Mike on October 24, 2008, 12:31:41 PM
(http://www.trainweb.org/railpix/miscpix/Prr-ar60.jpg)
 
Theres a Blast from the Past Ladies and Gentlemen.
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Post by: Mike on October 25, 2008, 06:08:28 AM
(http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_sp4449c.jpg)
 
Here ya go Matt and Dave, here's a sweet shot.
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Post by: Matt Aker on October 25, 2008, 11:23:17 AM
Ah, SP's GS-4 No. 4449!  In "Freedom Train" colors too...  She's a beautiful engine no matter what she wears.  She even looked good as an all-black warbaby! 
 
Thank You to Doyle McCormick (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 25, 2008, 11:49:24 AM
Quote from: MoparMatt
Ah, SP's GS-4 No. 4449!  In "Freedom Train" colors too... 
 
I knew that...
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Post by: Mike on November 06, 2008, 04:32:26 PM

Here's a good video, the follow up is located on the right hand side with the other videos, Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4SuiSURDyQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4SuiSURDyQ&feature=related)
Potatoe2008-11-06 21:33:04
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Post by: Stitcherbob on November 06, 2008, 05:24:27 PM

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Post by: Mike on November 07, 2008, 12:15:51 PM
  Well Bob, The UP def had a bunch of heavy hitters in their steam line up. Some of the best consisted of the 800 series 4-8-4's and the noted challenger class, and of course the Big Boys which helped during the war and were powerful giants that worker the West and Mid-West.
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Post by: Matt Aker on November 08, 2008, 06:39:43 AM
My favorite steam locomotive is this one
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/prr5477.jpeg)
 
The PRR rostered more than 420 K4s Pacific's, and it's service life lasted for nearly forty years.  The first K4s was built in 1914, but in 1917 the PRR and Baldwin went to work creating the balance of the fleet.  PRR officials called it " The Standard Passenger Locomotive of the World"!
 
The K4s' were bumped from their prestigious position of pulling PRR's crack trains briefly in the mid-1940's by the all new duplex-drive T-1 4-4-4-4.  The T-1's were handsome and fast, however they proved to be a mechanical nightmare and expensive to maintain.  Their service life was short, and PRR diverted back to the trusty K4s' and it's new EMD and Alco diesel cab units.
 
Today only two K4s locomotives survive.  No. 3750 is on static display at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania and No. 1361 is somewhere between Steamtown and Altoona, partially disassembled.  There is hope the 1361 will steam again, but the project lacks funding.  (I have a great story about the 1361 and why it was chosen as the park engine for Horseshoe Curve's visitor's center.  It was told to me by a former PRR employee.  I'll save it for later though (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif))
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Post by: Mike on November 08, 2008, 09:25:27 AM
  Matt, I was just going to bring up the K4S! What a great engine she was too! It was used on the PRR's express train The Broadway Limited to compete with the NYC'S 20TH Century Express. 1361 Ran for a little bit in the early 80's After being restored, And then was taken out of service again.
Potatoe2008-11-08 14:29:55
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Post by: Mike on November 08, 2008, 09:47:03 AM
(http://www.webcircle.com/users/cobrandt/k4s1361_BW.jpg)


 
 Just For you Matt!
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Post by: Ron on November 08, 2008, 12:50:10 PM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/178/6200.jpg)
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Post by: R. Dave Carr on November 08, 2008, 01:57:18 PM
Broadway Limited.
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Post by: Matt Aker on November 09, 2008, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: supersledx
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/178/6200.jpg)
 
Neat pic Ron, the only one of it's kind too!  The PRR S2 class was a steam turbine, built by Baldwin in 1944 and retired in 1949.  It was a stellar performer at speeds exceeding 100 mph but a glutton for coal and water at lower speeds, hence it's short service life.
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Post by: Robert Rottman on November 13, 2008, 01:03:54 PM
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/biggreenfury/NewYorktrip017.jpg)
Thanks for starting this thread Matt. I too love trains. Has anyone here been to Steamtown in Scranton, PA? I really enjoyed it....here's the Big Boy! 
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Post by: Matt Aker on November 13, 2008, 01:50:55 PM
Your welcome Bob, however Steve started it from a thread that went astray a few months back.  General Urko NEVER sleeps!
 
There has been some speculation for years that a 4000-series Big Boy might be restored to operating condition.  UP saved several of them and it's been a question of which one is in the best preserverd condition.  I'm sure that funding is an issue too, but in this day of government bail-outs what better reason to blow a few bucks!
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Post by: Matt Aker on November 13, 2008, 03:08:38 PM
This is rather sad, but worth mentioning.  Look at this article from Johnstown's newspaper.
 
http://www.tribune-democrat.com/archivesearch/local_story_314234512.html (http://www.tribune-democrat.com/archivesearch/local_story_314234512.html)
 
One-less surviving tower on the Pittburgh Division.  I never visited this one...
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Post by: Mike on November 15, 2008, 07:47:13 AM
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=206686&nseq=3 (http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=206686&nseq=3)
This would Not post as a picture, but its a really nice picture of 1361, Enjoy!
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on November 15, 2008, 08:03:49 AM
Although I'm not knowledgeable about trains and stuff, I never get tired of seeing the pictures.  Love'em.  Thanks.

I am into the Streamliners, esp. the Art Deco trains, though.  Any fans here?

 
(http://www.louisvilleartdeco.com/feature/Transportation/Trains/NYC20thCenturyLtdLocomotive.jpeg)
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Post by: Matt Aker on November 15, 2008, 08:31:49 AM
I'd love to see a Dreyfuss-styled J3A Hudson in person...  then again I'd like to have a shot of bourbon with John Wayne too! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif)
 
Virtually all of the streamlined steam locomotives lost their shrouding prior to or during WWII.  The exceptions were the as-built engines like the N&W J-class 4-8-4's and the Q1, Q2 and T1 PRR duplex drive locos.
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on November 15, 2008, 08:47:10 AM
Quote from: MoparMatt
...a Dreyfuss-styled J3A Hudson...
 ...the N&W J-class 4-8-4's..
...the Q1, Q2 and T1 PRR duplex drive locos...
 
Um, yah. 
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
I have to wait for "The Dummies Guide to Streamliners" to come out. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
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Post by: Matt Aker on November 15, 2008, 08:52:13 AM
This website is very informative and easy to navigate
 
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/streamlined/scrapped/ (http://www.steamlocomotive.com/streamlined/scrapped/)
 
I forgot about the S1, that thing was HUGE!
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stan Paralikis on November 15, 2008, 08:56:06 AM
How did I live before google?  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
(http://sbiii.com/bwrkapix/t3shrkcf.jpg)
 
(http://www.lakemichigantile.com/jclass%20484small.gif)
 
(http://www.trainartisan.com/TrainArtisan/baseimages/TrainArtisan_AmClassics_20th_century.jpg)
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on November 22, 2008, 05:48:00 AM



http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/ (http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/)
Potatoe2008-11-22 10:49:12
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Post by: Mike on November 25, 2008, 12:58:47 PM
(http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/k45399.jpg)

Why Does this K4s look different from the others? Which one of our railroad fans knows the answer.



Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: R. Dave Carr on November 25, 2008, 01:03:05 PM
Poppet valves.
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on November 25, 2008, 01:22:55 PM
You Are correct Sir! Want to take a guess when this picture was taken?

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: R. Dave Carr on November 25, 2008, 01:25:26 PM
Back during the depression, because the everything was in black and white because the country was so poor we coudln't afford color.......(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stitcherbob on November 25, 2008, 05:04:57 PM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif)


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Post by: Mike on January 10, 2009, 09:22:04 PM

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Okay Rail Fans I have written a paper about the GG1 and the Penny's Electrification around 1935 any who would like to read it pleasePM me.
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Ron on January 11, 2009, 11:53:55 AM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/178/Copy_of_Northern.jpg)
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on January 11, 2009, 12:10:41 PM
Wow Ron, what is that a 4-10-4 what Railroad did that beast operate under?

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Post by: Ron on January 11, 2009, 01:35:45 PM
Texas class 2-10-4 Santa Fe   (Thanks Matt Man )supersledx2009-01-12 15:10:58
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Post by: Matt Aker on January 12, 2009, 01:10:16 PM
I did a little research last night and found that locomotive to be the AT&SF 5017 which is a Baldwin-built.  The Santa Fe had 37 examples of this class, with the 5017 being on display at the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay sans it's jacketing.
 
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/texas/atsf.shtml (http://www.steamlocomotive.com/texas/atsf.shtml)
 
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/atsf5017.jpg)
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on January 12, 2009, 04:15:01 PM

Ahh the good ol Santa Fe, one of the great railroads in America. Its a shame that engine dosent have its jacket over the back of the fire box/ boiler.
Potatoe2009-01-12 21:15:16
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Post by: Mike on January 12, 2009, 09:10:00 PM
(http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/%7Esmithbf/BFSpages/PRR/prr6200.jpg)


Okay Rail fans who can tell me what is different about this PRR engine, Matt, Ron, Dave? anyone else who cares to participate


Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 13, 2009, 05:51:57 AM
Steam Turbine drive



Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 13, 2009, 07:21:11 AM
Yah.  That's it.  I knew that.... (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif)

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Tom Atkinson on January 13, 2009, 10:26:07 AM
My Father says he use to get to ride once and awhile on the big beasts N&W put out in Virginia.  His grandfather was an engineer (not driver kind) for them.  He lived in Victoria.  He has a book on the rail road and man did they put out some heavy iron horse's.  Who knows what the the N&W stand for?   Bonus points if you can tell the two biggest things N&W was known for.
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on January 13, 2009, 11:13:55 AM
Norfolk and Western, thats about all i have.

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Post by: Matt Aker on January 13, 2009, 02:28:09 PM
The Norfolk and Western was a coal hauler, but iron ore was also a big commodity.  I'd be willing to bet that there was a little home-distilled shine exchanged at station stops too (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Nice S2 6-8-6 PRR turbine P.  It was the only one ever built, except the Lionel examples...
 
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 13, 2009, 08:49:00 PM
The 2 biggest things I think they were noted for were:

1- they held onto steam longer than any railroad
2- O. Winston Link made them famous with his photography

84% of their passenger miles were run with  2-6-6-4, 4-8-4, and 2-8-8-2 locomotives.


Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Tom Atkinson on January 14, 2009, 04:48:28 AM
Good call.  I was going with they held onto/were last to use steam.  They were noted for being the most efficent in it's use. If I recall correctly they wapped it up around 1959.
 
The other was they put out the largest engine in terms of pulling ability.  I forget what the correct term is but I read they were at like 116,000 vs the next guy at 97,000.
 
I did not know about the the photographer but makes sense as I've seen a ton of very neat and nice pic's of which most were N&W.
 
That's it for my knowledge of them.
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Post by: glen cyr on January 14, 2009, 05:12:35 PM
Here's some info on a locomotive my ole' man drove as he was an engineer for the CNR!. It is now totally restored,...along with, locomotive,coal car,baggage car and caboose in my home town.  http://www.nextlibrary.com/cgi-local/dublincard.cgi?TPL=../html/tbpl/archive/archivedublin.html&Key='40773' (http://www.nextlibrary.com/cgi-local/dublincard.cgi?TPL=../html/tbpl/archive/archivedublin.html&Key=40773)  It was the only job he had in his life, as he started shoveling coal when he was 17!. We would ride from Rainy River to Atikokan,Ont.(150 miles) in the 2nd units (diesel /electric) and get dropped off at my aunt's house who lived right beside the tracks,..then we would jump on a week or so later and head back home!. Can't do that now as you would surely be fired,but back then when i was a kid it was awesome!
 
Glen
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Post by: Stitcherbob on January 14, 2009, 08:18:38 PM
Here is the man:

http://www.linkmuseum.org/ (http://www.linkmuseum.org/)

http://linkmuseum.pastperfect-online.com/37479cgi/mweb.exe?request=random (http://linkmuseum.pastperfect-online.com/37479cgi/mweb.exe?request=random)





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Post by: Mike on January 25, 2009, 07:50:55 PM

[TUBE]N97Q2-KdgVE&feature=related[/TUBE]

North East Corridor, lots of old Rolling stock from the PRR and PC goooood stuff, Enjoy!! On an end note this video is suppose to cover a time span from 1967 till 2007 but I don't think it gets past the early 80's

Potatoe2009-01-26 20:21:37
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Post by: Stitcherbob on January 25, 2009, 08:11:25 PM
P you sly dog! You knew that if you avert your eyes from the trains for a sec,  at 0:40 there were a couple of C bodys in the parking lot....didn't cha?(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on January 26, 2009, 12:07:21 PM
Well Bob, Guilty as charged. It was the best of both worlds.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif)

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Post by: Mike on January 26, 2009, 03:49:40 PM

[TUBE]D01OjEDN2jg[/TUBE]

No way to Run a Railroad

[TUBE]VrrhQCcjd-8&feature=related[/TUBE]

There's about 4 more of these I'll let yooose guys look at these two first.
My past semester and the current one have really sparked an interests in the PC for as well as doing Additional PRR research, Anywho enjoy!




Potatoe2009-01-26 21:54:34
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Post by: Mike on January 28, 2009, 06:41:59 PM
If you looked at the Video I posted on the Northeast Corridor, it looked very similar to that today with the bad weather. Either way its def something to experience.

Matt get your Hosier Butt to Joisey so I can give you the dime tour of the route!


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Post by: 300rag on January 30, 2009, 05:38:33 PM
OK Matt, name that locomotive
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/37/Buried_Plow.JPG)
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: 300rag on January 30, 2009, 05:39:38 PM
Here's a little help
 
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/37/Final_Push.JPG)
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Post by: R. Dave Carr on January 30, 2009, 08:46:08 PM
Looks like a couple of SD40-2's pushing a wedge plow.
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Post by: Stitcherbob on January 30, 2009, 08:53:54 PM

Quote from: 300Rag
OK Matt, name that locomotive
 

I'll name him "Ray"......because he can see about as good as Ray Charles(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)

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Post by: Matt Aker on January 31, 2009, 06:43:26 AM
Great pix Peter!  (and I thought I had too much snow...)
 
If I were to guess, I'd say that is a variant of the Russell Snowplow.  They were built in Ridgeway, PA, not far from my home town (the factory buildings are still there).
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/61/russell_plow.jpg)
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Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on January 31, 2009, 06:58:12 AM
Looks like Mi with all that snow!!ardog2009-01-31 11:58:37
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Post by: Robert Rottman on January 31, 2009, 09:59:33 AM
Here's some family photos that I found tucked away..had some time to scan them and thought I 'd share them with you train watchers. Sorry...They're a bit blurry...must have been taken with one of my Dad's old Kodak cameras. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
 (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/biggreenfury/S5001858.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/biggreenfury/S5001863.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/biggreenfury/S5001869.jpg)
Before I was born...Here's my Mom, Dad sister and brother posing in front of the 4-6-2 Hemlock Central steam locomotive. This sure looks like a local photo...Hemlock is here in upstate NY...odd that there's an orange tree at left??
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/biggreenfury/S5001871.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/biggreenfury/S5001872.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/biggreenfury/S5001873.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/biggreenfury/S5001874.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/biggreenfury/S5001875.jpg)
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/biggreenfury/S5001876.jpg)
furyfever2009-01-31 16:43:07
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Post by: Mike on January 31, 2009, 11:35:09 AM
Those are Awesome Pictures!, I like that Tuscan Red GG1, Those Steam locomotives are absolutely Priceless. 

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Post by: Steve on January 31, 2009, 12:29:29 PM
Lemme see you do that to your Vert (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on February 01, 2009, 12:12:54 PM
I saw a GP 40-2 the other day on the Corridor. I have to take the Camera to the station one day when I get time, meaning the summer.

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Post by: Mike on February 01, 2009, 12:31:18 PM

(http://www.online-isp.com/%7Ercraig/GP40-2SKohart.jpg)

This one of NJ Transits oldest work Horses they operate a few of these. One was built for Penn Central back in 1968. They've been modified out the Ying yang!! But damnit they still go strong!!! ###############################################






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Post by: Steve on February 01, 2009, 03:26:47 PM
I happened to trip over this site while I was looking for an "Outragious Car"
 
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/no/diesel/Di3/pix.html (http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/no/diesel/Di3/pix.html)
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on February 01, 2009, 06:57:32 PM
A lot of those Locomotives look like American E and F class Diesels.

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Post by: firedome on February 02, 2009, 05:43:55 AM
I always liked the GM ElectroMotive E/F diesels best of any diesel engine - they were everywhere when I was a kid!  Wish I hadn't sold my 1957 Lionel F-7 Santa Fe... But I really want a 'early '50s NYC version!
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Post by: Mike on February 02, 2009, 05:23:47 PM

Ah the NYC used them all they way into the Penn Central days. Then most were sold to smaller independent shortlines and interurban expresses, some are still in use today. Those engines had great styling and kinda reminded my of the streamlined Steamers of old.
Potatoe2009-02-02 22:24:00
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 05, 2009, 06:12:15 AM
(http://englishrussia.com/images/soviet_turbo_jet_train/6.jpg)


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Post by: R. Dave Carr on February 05, 2009, 06:19:35 AM
New York Central hung a pair of J57 jet engines on a RDC car for hi speed testing in Ohio......
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Steve on February 05, 2009, 12:17:50 PM
Quote from: carrman
New York Central hung a pair of J57 jet engines on a RDC car for hi speed testing in Ohio......
 
Can you imagine the noise from that thing?
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: R. Dave Carr on February 05, 2009, 12:27:07 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: carrman
New York Central hung a pair of J57 jet engines on a RDC car for hi speed testing in Ohio......
 
 
 
http://cgi.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150279041708#ebayphotohosting (http://cgi.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150279041708#ebayphotohosting)
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Post by: R. Dave Carr on February 05, 2009, 12:30:11 PM
http://jalopnik.com/359202/new-york-centrals-m+497-jet-powered-train (http://jalopnik.com/359202/new-york-centrals-m+497-jet-powered-train)
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 05, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
This is something close to my heart.  This is the Canton Viaduct which was near ny house when I lived in New England.  The Canton (MA) Viaduct was modelled after a similiar viaduct in Russia.  These are the only t0wo of this design in the world.  I must have gone under it a zillion times...

About 10 years ago they had to rebuild it and it cost about 4X the estimate because the powers that be insisted it be historically correct.  Good for them.  It was worth it, I think.

(http://74.8.145.20/mhd/images/hbridges/id102.jpg)

(http://www.cantonviaduct.us/pics/index/Canton%20Viaduct.jpg)

(http://www.town.canton.ma.us/hist_comm/images/Viaduct.jpg)


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Post by: Stitcherbob on February 05, 2009, 08:05:20 PM

Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: carrman
New York Central hung a pair of J57 jet engines on a RDC car for hi speed testing in Ohio......
 


WHAT???(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 05, 2009, 08:12:52 PM

This is near to my house (and heart)

The Paulinskill Viaduct in Blairstown, NJ

(http://history.gsmrrclub.org/cutoffimages/PaulinskillOld1-s.jpg)

http://www.weirdnj.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=98&Itemid=28 (http://www.weirdnj.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=98&Itemid=28)

http://history.gsmrrclub.org/history5i.html (http://history.gsmrrclub.org/history5i.html)

http://history.gsmrrclub.org/history5j.html (http://history.gsmrrclub.org/history5j.html)


Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on February 06, 2009, 05:34:17 AM
That looks like a Pennsy engine going across that Viaduct! Hmmm Looks like it has a bellpair fire box, (someone correct my spelling)

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: R. Dave Carr on February 06, 2009, 05:36:25 AM
Quote from: Potatoe
That looks like a Pennsy engine going across that Viaduct! Hmmm Looks like it has a bellpair fire box, (someone correct my spelling)
 
No, looks like a Lackawanna 4-8-4 to me...
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Dan Cluley on February 06, 2009, 10:18:24 PM
Quote from: Potatoe
That looks like a Pennsy engine going across that Viaduct! Hmmm Looks like it has a bellpair fire box, (someone correct my spelling)
 
 
Like Carman says, it should be Lackawanna.  I think that is the shadow of the smoke making it look squared off like a belpaire.
 
 
D Cluley2009-02-07 03:23:53
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on February 07, 2009, 12:18:17 PM
Dan, I can go to Metuchen, Edison, New Brunswick, Those are the closest stations which I normally visit. Some time I go to Metro Park which is also in Edison but a little bit further up the line but not by much.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on February 07, 2009, 09:18:30 PM

Dan, If you Pm me your E-mail address I'll send you my paper on the GG1 and the Electrification of the PRR in the 1930's.
Potatoe2009-02-09 22:34:24
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Post by: Mike on February 10, 2009, 01:52:46 PM
(http://kc.pennsyrr.com/art/images/1937.jpeg)

Ah Now this is a sweet Picture!!!! Hey Matt!! Notice those coal shovels look like the ones in that video you showed to us!
PENNSY POWER FOREVER!!! ###################################

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Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 10, 2009, 04:19:25 PM
Wow.  I'd love to have that hanging on the wall over my desk.
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Steve on February 10, 2009, 04:52:56 PM
Quote from: Commando1
Wow.  I'd love to have that hanging on the wall over my desk.
 
Right next to the Iron Gut Beer sign
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on February 10, 2009, 07:54:35 PM

Quote from: Commando1
Wow.  I'd love to have that hanging on the wall over my desk.

You said it Stan, Can't beat a picture of good old fashioned Pennsy Power like a K4s, esp a streamlined one next to a regular work horse.

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Post by: Stitcherbob on February 10, 2009, 09:37:50 PM

Quote from: Commando1
Wow.  I'd love to have that hanging on the wall over my desk.


Yeah Stan, we seen what's ON yer desk.....


(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/10/wrong_again.jpg)



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Post by: Mike on February 11, 2009, 07:45:45 PM
[TUBE]vd4tqSrRbCg&feature=related[/TUBE]

Matt, Dave, and anyone else, watch 1361 and tell me whats going wrong with this Locomotive.


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Post by: Dan Cluley on February 12, 2009, 12:36:10 AM
Quote from: Commando1
Wow.  I'd love to have that hanging on the wall over my desk.
 
I don't have that picture, but I do have the 1935 Calendar art.
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/22/prr1935.jpg)
 
After my Great-Uncle Everett died in the '80s we found it while cleaning out the house.
 
I don't know the details, but I have to assume that he had the calendar in '35 and liked the picture enough to hang it on the wall for the next 50 years.  Framed it is about 15" x 24" and now has been on my wall for 25. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)
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Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 12, 2009, 02:25:07 AM

Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: Commando1
Wow.  I'd love to have that hanging on the wall over my desk.
 

Ya know, that WOULD look good up there.

(http://www.grogbloggers.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/211.jpg)

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Post by: Mike on February 12, 2009, 01:16:03 PM
That's a great picture Dan, Looks like that K4 is going around Horseshoe Curve.

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Post by: Mike on February 13, 2009, 03:47:23 PM
[TUBE]LE-24DC_tQk[/TUBE]

More 1361 footage, graceful engine.


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Post by: Mike on February 15, 2009, 05:28:07 PM
Who Remembers the Rock Island Railroad, I found this to be just as interesting as the Pennsy Wheels of Progress Video.



For your Viewing Pleasure....

[TUBE]dEFTWc4xy20&feature=related[/TUBE]

Part 2.

[TUBE]K4RJTDCSFHA&feature=related[/TUBE]





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Post by: Dan Cluley on February 18, 2009, 10:16:14 PM
I went down to Toledo OH last Sunday.  This pair of Norfolk Southern trains are Westbound on the old NYC mainline.  Looks like Union Pacific is getting some new engines.!!!!
 
[TUBE]Gm0Wi4-zR50[/TUBE]
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on February 19, 2009, 01:52:39 PM
Wow 13 new UP engines One Conrail and a Misc looking GP-40. WOW!!! Did I see a GP-9 as the last engine on the NS train. That's awesome stuff Dan Mega Kudos to you. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)Potatoe2009-02-20 16:49:38
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Robert F. Brogle on February 19, 2009, 02:15:16 PM
It's so refreshing to see that so many of us have the train interest as well as cars.  I recently contributed to a book on the town of 7 railroads, Palmer, MA.
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Steve on February 19, 2009, 02:36:29 PM
Quote from: rbrogle
It's so refreshing to see that so many of us have the train interest as well as cars.  I recently contributed to a book on the town of 7 railroads, Palmer, MA.
 
Rob. . .For your post. . .
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Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: R. Dave Carr on February 21, 2009, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: rbrogle
It's so refreshing to see that so many of us have the train interest as well as cars.  I recently contributed to a book on the town of 7 railroads, Palmer, MA.
 
carrman2009-02-22 02:18:58
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 22, 2009, 07:42:41 AM
When I moved out of my shop, one thing I had to leave behind (and was in a scrap metal dumpster courtesy of the new owner) was a Bethlehem Flange Frog that was the switch that brought the coal cars over to our coal bins.....I heard that the bucket loader had a hard time moving it, so I guess I didn't have a prayer to get it on Polaraco's trailer....would have made a nice lawn ornament. I did manage to collect a lot of railroad hardware over the years, including a six-foot section of 1854 cast iron rail from the Lackawanna Iron and Coal Co. of Scranton, Pa, and we still have a Central Railroad of NJ coal scoop that was probably switched with one of ours by mistake.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on February 26, 2009, 01:39:06 PM
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Enepaphotos/Feb/1910%20LACKAWANNA%20RAILROAD.jpg)

Here ya go Bob, figured you would like this.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: glen cyr on February 26, 2009, 06:08:52 PM
Here's an animated video of a couple of CN EMD SD70M-2 Locomotives!. It gives you a real life feeling behind the controls of the 4,300 hp monsters! These units will pull anything!. I used to ride the rails with the ole' man years ago,but they only had 3,000 hp then! i woulda' loved to have a grip on the go handle on that SD70,as it's music to the ears! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73EGSQYoQ8I&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73EGSQYoQ8I&feature=related) Glen
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 26, 2009, 06:20:29 PM



Thanks P  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

This is the route of the Phoebe Snow in 1912.....and that nice light colored ballast that was laid on the tracks is still there

"The Lackawanna Limited nears Paulina, NJ (between Johnsonburg and
Blairstown) in this 1912 photograph. Note the extra ballast that has
been dropped here, probably due to the settling of the fill."

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d8/Lackawanna-Limited-Paulina-NJ.JPG/800px-Lackawanna-Limited-Paulina-NJ.JPG)

Here is some of that ballast I collected at the entrance to the Paulinskill Viaduct

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/10/general_crap001.jpg)

stitcherbob2009-02-26 23:35:42
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on February 28, 2009, 08:59:25 PM
(http://pc.smellycat.com/pics/central/pc3196_curve.jpg)

PC working the Curve 4 years after the Company declares Bankruptcy.  Getting Coal so King Hosier can keep warm and keep his Beer cold.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Steve on March 01, 2009, 07:37:30 AM
Isn't that Deleware Water Gap?
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on March 01, 2009, 02:35:59 PM
Sorry Steve, that is def the Horseshoe curve outside of Altoona.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on March 03, 2009, 01:28:00 PM
Lets go you Hosiers, Post schtuff from your favorite RR Flags.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on March 05, 2009, 01:12:36 PM




(http://members.tripod.com/njrails/20th_Century/LehighValley/John_Wilkes/lv_2102.jpg)

Lehigh Valley back in 1930's yet another fallen flag amongst the many dead railroads that used to crisscross the northeast.
Potatoe2009-03-08 00:42:03
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 05, 2009, 04:10:02 PM
New Haven RR.  I clackety-clacked a lot of miles on that line.

(http://www.american-rails-forums.com/AR%20Images/Fallen%20Flags/NH_FL9_CDOT.jpg)


Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on March 07, 2009, 07:45:14 PM
  Ah the good old New Haven RR, If I'm wrong or confused Please correct me. Now the NH was a subsidiary of the PRR correct? Or did it remain its own company until Incorporated into the Penn Central Merger sometime around 1969.
 
I fixed my picture malfunction now the Streamlined Pacific Lehigh Valley Steam shows up!

Good Picture Stan! Lets go other railfans post your favorites.



Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on March 14, 2009, 10:22:13 PM
The Weather is starting to get nice, which means its time to get my tookass to the Corridor and local Norfolk and Southern rails for some railfan time.

I saw a freshly painted set of GP38-2'S doing some yard work today, they were piggy backed and I kicked myself for not having a camera with me in my Napa pickup. At least now I know the place to go.


Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on March 14, 2009, 11:02:56 PM


(http://www.toytrains1.com/images/trains/prr_92.jpg)
If I had to guess, It looks like this K4s is at the maintenance yard at Kearny NJ

(http://www.nscorp.com/nscorphtml/heritage/images/prr_train2.jpg)
Here's 1361 back in active service days. Sigh I wish those clown would get their act together.

Potatoe2009-03-15 17:30:59
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on March 15, 2009, 03:43:24 PM


(http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/1/4/4/7144.1229840080.jpg)

Pennsy EMD E8(A) Hey Matt, we were standing/Parked and inside the warm car right where that light pole is! Wish it was that nice out when I was there.

Potatoe2009-03-17 01:13:39
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 15, 2009, 05:03:19 PM
Another one any northern New Englander would remember:

(http://friendsofpleasureisland.org/attractions/railroad/3814-dghills-fromdougkydd.jpg)


Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 15, 2009, 05:09:54 PM
Here's one of those things that never made sense.
The NHRR served southern New England with it's northern terminus at Boston's South Station.
The B&MRR served northern New England with it's southern terminus at Boston's North Staion.
North Station and South Station were aproximately 1 1/2 miles apart.  There was no way to travel from one end of New England to the other by RR without having to travel from one station to the other.




Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Dan Cluley on March 16, 2009, 02:45:26 AM
Heck, until just before Amtrak came along Chicago had 6 separate downtown terminals.
 
Central Station: Illiniois Central and a few New York Central trains
Dearborn St : Santa Fe, Grand Trunk, Erie, Monon, and Wabash
LaSalle St: New York Central, Nickle Plate, and Rock Island
Grand Central: B&O , C&O and Soo Line
Union Station: Pennsylvania, Burlington, Milwaukee, and GM&O
Madison St: Chicago & North Western
 
 
I think the problems was, most of the early railroads were just built to connect two cities.  By the time they realized that it could be a whole interconnected network across the continent, the downtown real estate was WAY too expensive to tear up to build the connections.
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Dan Cluley on March 16, 2009, 02:50:32 AM
Potato, is the Pennsy E-8 shot in Altoona?
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on March 16, 2009, 09:15:41 PM
Yes Dan, Sure is, right at the Altoona Railroad Museum.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on April 01, 2009, 08:57:16 PM
Dan, Dave, Matt, Stan, anyone else. Who made the Shark nose Pennsy Diesels? was it Fairbanks Morse?

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: R. Dave Carr on April 01, 2009, 09:04:34 PM
Baldwin Locomotive Works, of Philadelphia. carrman2009-04-02 02:14:46
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: firedome on April 02, 2009, 04:40:50 AM
There's some character who lives beteen Oneonta and Binghamton who owns
2 of those Pennsy type catanary electrics, at least one F5 or F7 and, I
think a sharknose was in there, among a bunch of other rolling stuff.
His property abuts the main line, I believe the one coming down from
Albany, and he somehow laid a side track onto his place for all his "
toys"...I almost sh_t myself when I drove by it a couple weeks ago, and
would have stopped if not for the wife nixing that idea...she knows me
all too well.



Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on April 08, 2009, 07:45:34 PM
Who likes Shark Nosed Pennsy Diesels? See Site below, Its a pretty good one.

http://www.bridge-line.org/blhs/BaldwinSharks.html (http://www.bridge-line.org/blhs/BaldwinSharks.html)


Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: firedome on April 09, 2009, 04:02:45 AM
That's awesome P!!  Very cool shots of Sharks in and around
Bingo!  I love the Sharks and I love NYC livery, also B&O - I
really want a early 50s Lionel version but they be too pricey. My
wife's Mom worked for the B&0 - I'm from Balto -  and her
Uncle also, for 40 yrs. It seems to me there was a Shark at Mt
Clare?  It's been 25 yrs since I was there...I need to go back
since the big revamp after the roundhouse roof collapse in 2001...it's
been majorly upgraded.



My tenant in my rental house here is a Norfolk Central? Engineer out of
the Bevier St yards on the run from Bingo to down near Harrisburg
(Enola?) twice a week... SHE is recently divorced and had to find a
house near the yards.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 09, 2009, 04:21:26 AM
P:  keep those lil gems coming.  I love that shtuff! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on April 09, 2009, 08:45:38 AM
Thanks Fellas, It something to do between studying. Got to rest the brain. I have some more stuff I will post up soon. A lot of those picture make great backgrounds.

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: firedome on April 10, 2009, 04:04:31 AM
If any of youse  guys haven't been to the B&O museum at Mt
Clare Station in Balto you should make the effort - it's now part of
the Smithsonian, and it's one of the best RR museums in the world. I
used to take my kids there when they were little and we still lived in
MD.

Of course you all know the Tom Thumb was a B&O engine, the first
engine in the US, between downtown Balto and Ellicott City (where I
taught for 7 years).



Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: firedome on April 11, 2009, 02:27:00 PM
I always loved those Baldwin Sharknose RF-16s,  but didn't know
much 'bout em really, so I decided to do some research... there are
none at Mt Clare, and for that matter none left anywhere else in the
world... except for the 2 in P's picture link shown at the Binghamton
yards - Delaware & Hudson 1612 and 1605 - back in the '70s - they
were bought by a short line in the UP of Michigan in 1978... when the
crankshaft broke in 1612 in 1982 they were parked outside of their
offices, and when some a..hole stole the mfr name plates off of them,
they were moved into secure storage, and have not been seen by railfans
since then, and they will not permit them to be seen by anyone. 
Very sad...the coolest and rarest diesel electrics ever made should be
restored and in a museum...I for one would love to see one in the
flesh.  I've decided to buy Williams-Bachmann's D&H O scale
version while I can...

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on April 13, 2009, 01:41:41 PM
Leave to some bad apples to ruin it for the rest Roger. They were def sharp looking locomotives. Not like the crap they have rolling on the Northeast Corridor in Joisey, these new Diesel electric, and electric locomotives are damned ugly and Generic looking.

They only stuff that's pulling regular commuter trains are NJ Transit's 2 GP-40-2's And of course Norfolk and Southern has a lot of old rolling stock.


Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on April 14, 2009, 02:49:17 PM


Lookie here fellas, Stan cover your eyes please.

Here is the link to the article and picture since it wouldnt show up in this post. http://www.flickr.com/photos/67648328@N00/1079180331 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/67648328@N00/1079180331)
Potatoe2009-04-14 19:51:10
Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on April 14, 2009, 02:58:14 PM
(http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/6/3/9/6639.1093619340.jpg)

Black Diamond!!!

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 15, 2009, 01:01:35 AM

Quote from: Potatoe

Lookie here fellas, Stan cover your eyes please.

Here is the link to the article and picture since it wouldnt show up in this post. http://www.flickr.com/photos/67648328@N00/1079180331 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/67648328@N00/1079180331)
"Nothing stops a Trane"
Except a New Yorker.
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Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: Mike on April 21, 2009, 05:16:32 AM
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Pennsy Power Forever!!!!

Title: Rail Road Bridges Forgotten Icons
Post by: firedome on April 21, 2009, 05:23:45 AM
That LV paint scheme is awesome!!  My Dad lived in Saucon Valley
nr Bethlehem for 10 yrs and we used to see a LV very
occasionally.  Beth Steel (RIP) also had their own little private
railroad.