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Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: azblackhemi on March 03, 2013, 04:17:25 PM
Bought me another Wagon today. It's a 1981 Plymouth Carevelle. It's the Canadian version of a Dodge Diplomat I guess. Speedo is in Kilometers and underhood stickers are in English and French. Runs and drives great and has ice cols A/C, a neccesity here in Arizona. Here's some pictures
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/30/P3020015.JPG)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/30/P3020017.JPG)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/30/P3020019.JPG)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/30/P3020022.JPG)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/30/P3020024.JPG)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/30/P3020025.JPG)
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Steve on March 03, 2013, 05:23:45 PM


LOL
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: dana44 on March 03, 2013, 05:46:24 PM
318 and lean burn. What else can a guy ask for! I like the wheels, too!
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Brian on March 03, 2013, 05:53:51 PM
Man I love that wagon!!  My first car was a 1980 Plymouth Caravelle...2dr...triple green with a 318/auto and 3.21 suregrip.

So what are your intentions for this one? 

Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Steve on March 03, 2013, 06:07:26 PM

I would ask for a 318 without Lean Burn.

Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: azblackhemi on March 03, 2013, 06:36:58 PM
Well the lean burn is working. It runs great and passed emmissions with flying colors. I love the wheels too. Kinda funny that on the smaller M bodies they are 7 inch wide while on the bigger c bodies they are 6.5 inches wide.
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 04, 2013, 07:23:36 AM
Rare car.Great find.
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Snotty on March 04, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
Always liked those small wagons.  Had a church member with a '79 Le Baron; I borrowed it one Christmas when we were given a crib as a present and it could not fit in our Lynx!  Nice car.  Had a neighbor with the same car but with a 360 in it.  Now that would e cool to get!!!  Nice score Chris!
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: firedome on March 04, 2013, 08:56:54 AM
Don't see many of those anymore, neat!

Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 04, 2013, 10:36:11 PM

It has the same Kimberly/Clark cloth as my 83 Cordoba....with the same splits in the seat covers too(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)
Enjoy your Carousel !



stitcherbob2013-03-05 03:39:12
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: azblackhemi on March 05, 2013, 04:38:44 AM
Thanks guys. It is a really good driver. Hey Bob do you think I can find this material anywhere so I can just do the front seats?
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: firedome on March 05, 2013, 05:17:56 AM
looks comfy!



firedome2013-03-05 10:20:47
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: firedome on March 05, 2013, 05:19:23 AM

i think my 79 Newp had a more velour type cloth in green that held up pretty well.


firedome2013-03-05 10:21:56
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Brian on March 05, 2013, 07:30:48 AM
You going to do a flip on this one Chris?


Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: azblackhemi on March 05, 2013, 11:10:25 AM
Quote from: thrashingcows
You going to do a flip on this one Chris?
Well I'll get bored with it eventually Brian but I'm going to keep it for now and drive it. The emmisions are good untill November 2014 and the registration was only $45 till then also. The A/C blows cold (still R 12) so my plan is to drive it through the long hot Arizona summer. In fact the previous owner who is a mechanic installed an auxilary fan on the condenser that goes on with the compressor so hopefully even on the hottest days here it should keep me cool.
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Brian on March 05, 2013, 05:22:29 PM
Well there is a non-car guy down the road from me who wants a 70-80's mid sized wagon.  He's asked me to keep my eyes open for a good one.  He might be interested in this one, when you do want to liquidate. 

If you could e-mail me some pics, and I can see if he's be interested in the car.



Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 07, 2013, 04:31:02 PM

Quote from: azblackhemi
Thanks guys. It is a really good driver. Hey Bob do you think I can find this material anywhere so I can just do the front seats?

I'll check with this one long time upholsterer who has a lot of old cloth, but I'm not too hopeful.....

I didn't like that stuff in my Cordoba....kind of crunchy, but I too didn't want to change it because the back seats hadn't been sat in. I was going to put silver/grey sheepskin covers on the front buckets if I had kept it. Nice sheepskins, not the Wallymart shtuff (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

I think the wheel width relates to the use of radial tires on the later cars

Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: azblackhemi on March 07, 2013, 04:37:03 PM
Well it ran great untill today. I started it up and went down the road and it was running real rough under any kind of acceleration. The whole car was violently shaking. Idle isn't too bad but when I give it gas it feels like it's only running on 5 or 6 cylinders. Guess I'll have to make time to look at it tomorrow.
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Steve on March 07, 2013, 07:36:27 PM



Also check the back of the control box and see if the riller they put in there has blisters or is gone.  If it is, replace the controller.  That usually indicates the controller is over heating.  The controller has to have good body grounds too
POLARACO2013-03-08 00:37:37
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: azblackhemi on March 07, 2013, 07:43:55 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
MMMMMM
 
Lets see.
 
Check the distributor cap for carbon tracking
Change the pick up
 
I had that in the Virgin
 
Thanks for the suggestions  Steve. My plan is to swap the ballast resistor first, then check the cap next. If that doesn't fix it I'll go the control box next.
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 07, 2013, 08:14:21 PM

This is what you have to look forward to on those seats (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/10/cordoba_seats.JPG)




Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: dana44 on March 07, 2013, 08:50:40 PM
Ballast resistor isn't bad if it is running. Distributor cap first, then what condition is the gas? Lean burn may be going out!!!!!! Vacuum leaks.
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Steve on March 07, 2013, 09:25:31 PM


I forgot about that.  There's a fair amount of spark control going on in there too.  I would put a regular distributor in there and run the vacuum to it.  Call it a day and it will run better.
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: dana44 on March 08, 2013, 04:52:17 AM
There is no vacuum port on the carb with the lean burn removed, carb has to be changed, too. An early 318 carb is a good solution if you have one of them around, and half the wiring harness goes away, too. Not a difficult swap, and about ten pounds of stuff off the front nose of the car to boot.
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: dana44 on March 08, 2013, 04:54:38 AM
Additionally, the lean burn system is really not serviceable. The control box is a replace to repair part, even diagnostics are horrible, as half the part/system checks require a replacement part to test whether it works or not. Good when they worked, but not very durable.
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: azblackhemi on March 08, 2013, 04:59:02 AM
Quote from: dana44
Ballast resistor isn't bad if it is running. Distributor cap first, then what condition is the gas? Lean burn may be going out!!!!!! Vacuum leaks.
I agree, I always thought if the resistor was bad it would just crank and not fire but someone told me they had a a leanburn car that he limped home changed the ballast resistor and it fixed it. I've got extras laying around so I'll spend 2 minutes swapping it out just in case.
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: firedome on March 08, 2013, 05:12:54 AM
Dealers used to stock a Lean-Burn replacement kit that included everything, even the carb. They had so many problems they had to come up with one... this had been done on my Regis.


Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: azblackhemi on March 08, 2013, 05:32:55 AM
Well I'm glad I started with the easy stuff. I pulled the air cleaner off and rught away noticed two plug wires not in thr distributer cap. Not sure how they suddenly came out but it's fixed. Thanks for the help.
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Steve on March 08, 2013, 07:05:51 AM


Ed  There's a dash pot on the lean burns he can draw the vacuum from.  That's how the pooter get's it's reference
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: dana44 on March 08, 2013, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: azblackhemi
Well I'm glad I started with the easy stuff. I pulled the air cleaner off and rught away noticed two plug wires not in thr distributer cap. Not sure how they suddenly came out but it's fixed. Thanks for the help.

Loose wires will do that! But you know what? If you remove every other sparkplug wire so you have four plugs firing and four dead (has to be every other wire), she will run just fine!
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: azblackhemi on March 08, 2013, 11:13:44 AM
Quote from: dana44
Quote from: azblackhemi
Well I'm glad I started with the easy stuff. I pulled the air cleaner off and rught away noticed two plug wires not in thr distributer cap. Not sure how they suddenly came out but it's fixed. Thanks for the help.

Loose wires will do that! But you know what? If you remove every other sparkplug wire so you have four plugs firing and four dead (has to be every other wire), she will run just fine!
Well I had two in a row out and trust me it did NOT run fine. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: dana44 on March 08, 2013, 12:12:47 PM
That's because you had two three cylinder engines, not one four cylinder engines. Look at the H pattern of the intake manifold. Two center and two outer cylinders on the opposite side.  If one of the two four runners is sparking and the other four aren't, she will run smoothly believe it or not, it is how you can get a 440 in a Chrysler New Yorker to get 25mpg with a few modifications and still have enough power to get out of your own way on top of it!
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: firedome on March 09, 2013, 06:30:54 AM
It may run smooth but it wouldn't get out if it's own way!


Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: dana44 on March 09, 2013, 07:43:14 AM
I was part of the development of the invention of Drive-more. 1962 Cadillac, Hearse (mom's car), started running not rough, but not quite as peppy. 7950 pounds dry and I had my mentor and myself inside, another 425lbs (he's 6'9", 250lbs, I was 6'2" 175lbs). Turned out the AVS 4bbl carb is designed to feed the carb from the side and if fuel pressure is low (or tank almost out of gas and barely pumping), only one side of the carb is fed, so, after that, we pulled the four sparkplugs for the four runners (two inside runners, two outside runners the opposite side) and she did just fine. Actually started doing some experiments on how to make it operate without doing damage to the engine itself, but the heads did need to be pulled to remove a couple exhaust valves to prevent compression in the cylinders, lifter plugs to allow oil pressure to stay active, a one or two barrel carb to feed only one side of the engine, and headers to keep the deactivated cylinders protected. Took less than a day to assemble, about the same to change back, had three 440s in town done, and a 69 Camaro with a 400 converted, able to get 30mpg out of her, and that was tested with over 700lbs dead weight in the Camaro. All because I was running out of gas in a Cadillac hearse. A couple years later they came out with the Cadillac 8-6-4, which was an electronic failure, but then look at the 5.7 cylinder deactivation system for, or course, mileage. Same thing, just flattening the lifter pressure to deactivate cylinders
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Snotty on March 14, 2013, 08:21:08 AM
My '84 Fifth Avenue shook like that with the same running gear - turned out to be a bent drive shaft.

Just spit-balling here...
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: dana44 on March 14, 2013, 06:45:38 PM
Kind of the same thing, but you have disable the other four cylinders so you don't have them sucking oil or reduced friction from moving valves open and closed, things like that. This extra reduction is good for an extra few hp and of course the mpg.
Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Brian on June 03, 2013, 03:37:07 PM
Hey Chris, I might have a buyer for your wagon....Contact me.

And Steve....you doing any car transporting?

Title: My New "Canuck" Car
Post by: Steve on June 03, 2013, 08:39:26 PM
Sorta