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Title: Raise you hand if you are still here!
Post by: 300rag on October 31, 2012, 07:20:21 AM


I am curious to see how many members are still checking in on Fins. Add an entry and let's see who still comes around. I check in at least once a day unless I can't get internet access.



300Rag2012-10-31 11:30:02
Title: Raise you hand if you are still here!
Post by: Scott on October 31, 2012, 07:25:08 AM
For some reason, it will not allow me to vote.  I check the site more than once a day.
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Post by: steve sclafani on October 31, 2012, 08:55:29 AM


I'm surprised the server is even running.
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Post by: Steve on October 31, 2012, 09:34:19 AM
Man Steve  You underestimate me.
 
I've had redundant backups on these servers since the conception
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Post by: steve sclafani on October 31, 2012, 09:53:49 AM


Must be The Windmills
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Post by: James Brown Jr, on October 31, 2012, 11:08:47 AM
nothing wrong with being self sufficent
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Post by: Snotty on October 31, 2012, 11:21:15 AM
"You can not vote in this poll"
Why not?  If I could it would be every couple of days.  I rarely do Friday-Sunday.
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Post by: azblackhemi on October 31, 2012, 03:25:42 PM
I voted!
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Post by: Steve on October 31, 2012, 03:38:45 PM
The windmills went down in a 94 MPH gust.  I built them for 90 MPH wind
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Post by: Guests on October 31, 2012, 05:02:22 PM
Right now I do morning and night, couple times at night really, gotta keep up on those spammers you know.....
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Post by: Steve on October 31, 2012, 06:38:18 PM
It's a B---h being a boss.  LOL
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Post by: Guests on October 31, 2012, 07:11:04 PM
....and I wouldn't have it any other way, right?
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Post by: steve sclafani on October 31, 2012, 07:55:19 PM


That's Sad
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Post by: Dan Cluley on October 31, 2012, 08:24:20 PM


Not sure the last time I posted, but I read what's new almost every day. 
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Post by: Jacques on November 01, 2012, 12:48:08 AM

Quote from: D Cluley

Not sure the last time I posted, but I read what's new almost every day. 
Same here.

I intended to buy another Imperial or maybe NYer in the next few years. However, there's some pending tax changes. So far, classic cars were exempt from road taxes, and so it was fine for me to own several cars besides my daily beater. But they intend to cancel that arrangement. If this happens, owning a 2300kg car would cost some $2000-3500 ownership tax a year, and this would quickly make the hobby prohibitive (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Post by: firedome on November 01, 2012, 05:19:10 AM

Unable to vote for some reason... visiting frequency depends, I'm away a lot April-Oct, but no doubt I'm one of the fairly  frequent member/visitors:  3244 posts speaks for itself! 


firedome2012-11-01 09:20:38
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Post by: Steve on November 01, 2012, 09:33:07 AM
Your attention is appreciated Roger.  No matter the schedule.
 
You're cool in my book
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Post by: Tom Dawson on November 01, 2012, 02:05:44 PM
Vote early, vote often, LOL



Tom



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Post by: 300rag on November 01, 2012, 02:36:17 PM
12 members in 24 hours.


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Post by: 300rag on November 01, 2012, 02:37:26 PM

Quote from: furyman67
Vote early, vote often, LOL



Tom





Not here, that's next Tuesday(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

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Post by: Robert Rottman on November 01, 2012, 03:38:34 PM
As every responsible citizen should, I voted....................................................Republican (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: Raise you hand if you are still here!
Post by: firedome on November 02, 2012, 05:25:40 AM
No politics here, if you please....


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Post by: Steve on November 02, 2012, 09:17:53 AM
I'm NOT voting for Fred Flintstones son.
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Post by: azblackhemi on November 02, 2012, 10:16:35 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
I'm NOT voting for Fred Flintstones son.
Didn't know Fred had a son. I thought Pebbles was an only child. LOL
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Post by: Robert Rottman on November 02, 2012, 12:53:01 PM
Quote from: firedome
No politics here, if you please....
 


Come on...a good political argument might get people's blood  moving a'round here. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif) What are ya' scared of Roger?  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Post by: 300rag on November 02, 2012, 02:49:23 PM

Quote from: azblackhemi
Didn't know Fred had a son. I thought Pebbles was an only child. LOL


Guess you missed the episode with Fred and Betty.  Barney really isn't Bam-Bam's dad.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

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Post by: Steve on November 02, 2012, 06:06:04 PM
Ok Barnies son.  Sheeesh
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Post by: azblackhemi on November 02, 2012, 07:28:18 PM
Quote from: 300Rag
Quote from: azblackhemi
I thought Betty was pretty hot in the TV show but after Rosie Odonnell played her in the movie I lost all desire for Betty Rubble. LOL azblackhemi2012-11-03 00:33:14
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Post by: Snotty on November 06, 2012, 10:48:00 AM

Quote from: Sjak Brak
  If this happens, owning a 2300kg car would cost some $2000-3500 ownership tax a year, and this would quickly make the hobby prohibitive (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Hey hey Sjak, keep that to yourself before someone over here catches wind of it and thinks it's a good idea!!!
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Post by: firedome on November 06, 2012, 01:52:23 PM



"What are you scared of... a good political argument might get people's blood moving"...



Well Bob:

#1 it's the policy here on Moparfins to not get into "political argument" we're here for the cars, at least obstensibly.

#2 we are here to discuss the cars we like, and as such it's nice to get
away from all the  "argument" which has lately taken over politics in the US, and
of which there is far too much of in this country. It should be,
instead, be about reasoned discussion, but that's not very likely these days, and
best confined tothe appropriate venue, which is NOT Moparfins... perhaps Drudge report and Huffington Post is best for that?


Too bad the "moderators" here don't seem to do their job keeping politics out of the discussions.

Some people prefer to keep their religion and politics private, not wear it on their sleeves.


Personally, I value ALL of my car friends here, and would like to keep it that way.

Regardless of the outcome today :-)


firedome2012-11-06 20:14:54
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Post by: firedome on November 06, 2012, 02:01:06 PM

"2500-3000 ownership tax a year"... "keep that to yourself"



 VA and CT and some other states already levy a property tax on automobiles and boats, and have for a long time.


firedome2012-11-06 20:16:33
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Post by: Jacques on November 06, 2012, 10:46:49 PM

I have no objection in paying some taxes on a car, since the car uses the Dutch roadsystem, which is extremely well maintained, I've seen only a few places where the roads were better (Danmark and southern Sweden come to mind). However, the amounts charged nowadays are totally out of proportion, especially since fuel is not exactly cheap, also thanks to tax pressure...



(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/23/IMG_6723.JPG)


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Post by: firedome on November 07, 2012, 03:40:44 AM
From what I've seen the Dutch and Swedish roads are a lot better than NY!



I, too, like the Rolls and Bentleys of those eras, but would hate to try to maintain one.

And then I recall when, I think, it was "Autocar" in the UK, once
compared a Rolls to an Olds 98 and the Olds beat the Roller in
virtually every aspect: ride, power, performance, silence, space,
smoothness... everything except for interior and exterior materials and
finish. Oh well... can't win 'em all.



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Post by: Jacques on November 07, 2012, 04:30:46 AM

Yes, there's a general concensus, even within RR/Bentley, that other cars may beat them in some areas, but that as a total package, they are (intended) unbeatable. I cant tell as I never owned one (yet??), but the cars from before end-sixties seem extremely solid in engineering, and the materials and workmanship are in a different league than that of mass produced cars.
One thing that I miss on those cars is the excitement, something that Mopars trigger so well (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Sjak Brak2012-11-07 09:31:13
Title: Raise you hand if you are still here!
Post by: 300rag on November 08, 2012, 04:11:15 AM
Well, after one week we have had 14 people vote and 12 people post. How we gonna get more to come back and participate? In all fairness, maybe some don't go to the BS and  Laughs section. There was at least one.


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Post by: Guests on November 08, 2012, 07:28:22 AM
Well, it is pretty slow right now, so working on the projects isn't going on with a lot of us, or we have finally finished one and finding another is not as easy as it used to be, some of these new shows like Fast and Loud, the Jessie James and a few others, jacking prices up higher than what we are able to afford, so it is harder to find that project. Too many other events aren't helping, couple divorces (sadly), abandonments (really sorry), and not enough spare money here and there makes all of us tighten our belts and the fun stuff is the first thing to go.  I wish everyone out there the best of luck and it isn't even a new year yet, but it is hard for all of us.
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Post by: Steve on November 08, 2012, 08:07:14 AM

Quote from: 300Rag
Well, after one week we have had 14 people vote and 12 people post. How we gonna get more to come back and participate? In all fairness, maybe some don't go to the BS and  Laughs section. There was at least one.

Just kidding
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Post by: Snotty on November 08, 2012, 10:36:54 AM

Quote from: firedome
"2500-3000 ownership tax a year"... "keep that to yourself"



 VA and CT and some other states already levy a property tax on automobiles and boats, and have for a long time.



OK, but $2,500 to $3,000 a year?  That is ludicrous!
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Post by: firedome on November 08, 2012, 12:02:30 PM
True... I wonder what valuation that 2,500 to 3000 would be based on? I
know in VA it averages around 5% of assessed value anually. $1000 a
year on a 20K vehicle seems outrageous enough.





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Post by: Jacques on November 08, 2012, 10:18:51 PM

Quote from: firedome
True... I wonder what valuation that 2,500 to 3000 would be based on?


The thieves from taxes use a tariff based on vehicle weight and fuel type. Vehicle value has nothing to do with it. For a second vehicle only driven occasionally, this is prohibitive for a lot of people here, and this may well decimate the classic car scene here. 
Cars older than 25 years were exempt from taxes, and thanks to this, a lot of people can afford a classic besides their daily beater. The problem is that a lot of people are importing old diesel Benzes from Germany for tax-evasion only and use those cars as daily drivers. And therefore the 25+-exception is being reviewed...
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Post by: Snotty on November 12, 2012, 12:24:13 PM
Thieves - HA!!  Sjak, don't hold back - how do you really feel???  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Post by: firedome on November 13, 2012, 04:17:10 AM

The property tax guys, both real estate and personal property tax,  usually find a way to soak the ones who figure out a way to get around it.  Here it's based strictly on value, and THEY determine the value.

I wonder, are there any places that do not tax real estate property?
firedome2012-11-13 09:18:29
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Post by: Guests on November 13, 2012, 08:04:28 AM
For years they have been trying to get rid of a property tax law they passed several decades ago, where the state can only charge 1.4 percent of the property cost at sale, then only raise it 1.4 percent or less per year after that. With that in mind, my property taxes have taken almost 20 years to almost double from what I paid when I bought the place back in 1992. They still go up, but at least it isn't something like what happened up in Washington a couple decades ago. In a two year period, people that had retired around the canals up there had their property taxes go up so fast there were stories in newspapers where retired people were turning basements and garages into rentals to pay for the increases, double and triple what they were five years earlier.
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Post by: Snotty on November 13, 2012, 08:39:03 AM

Quote from: firedome
 

I wonder, are there any places that do not tax real estate property?



Needless to say, older homes had very high prices while new/newer homes could be had for a song.
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Post by: 300rag on November 13, 2012, 10:14:31 AM

Quote from: Snotty



Pay me now or pay me later.

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Post by: firedome on November 14, 2012, 03:58:43 AM
Hmmm... Nevada is sounding better all the time, property taxes are killing us, now over 10,000 yr.  But at least NY doesn't levy personal property taxes on cars.  If I lived in one of those states I'd probably keep the cars stored inside and off the record, not registered etc, as long as you could carry insurance on a stored car like I do here with cars not presently on the road.  Borrow a dealer plate from a friend when it's time to take a little jaunt thru the countryside.


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Post by: azblackhemi on November 14, 2012, 04:20:08 AM
Quote from: firedome
Hmmm... Nevada is sounding better all the time, property taxes are killing us, now over 10,000 yr.  But at least NY doesn't levy personal property taxes on cars.  If I lived in one of those states I'd probably keep the cars stored inside and off the record, not registered etc, as long as you could carry insurance on a stored car like I do here with cars not presently on the road.  Borrow a dealer plate from a friend when it's time to take a little jaunt thru the countryside.
Roger, 10 grand a year? Wow my property taxes are $1200 a year and I have 2 acres. My old cars have 5 year plates on them and it costs about $65 per car for 5 years. I think I'll put up with the heat and stay right here.
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Post by: Snotty on November 14, 2012, 10:49:09 AM
Nevada is a good place to live but there is a price: desert, legal Prostitution and Gambling.  The first has its values, the second 2 you are required to remain silent about unless you were born there.

On the taxes my information is 26 years old, but to register my '70 Challenger then was $15.00 a year.  I am sure it has changed but am willing to bet it's still cheaper than the $85.00 I pay for the Newport as well as the Grem.
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Post by: Guests on November 14, 2012, 03:24:25 PM
My older vehicles keep going up here in California. My Charger was $26 for years, then around '06 it started going up, then in '09 it had made its way up to $46 before I put it in suspension and permanent storage for now. Heck, my '95 Dakota went from $85 to $105 this year. It's all a conspiracy to have us get rid of our cars.
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Post by: firedome on November 14, 2012, 03:47:18 PM
Lower taxes in NV, AZ sound pretty good, but what worries me about the SW in general is water, or lack thereof, something we always have plenty of here in NY, and, well, sometimes too much!


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Post by: azblackhemi on November 14, 2012, 04:48:01 PM
Quote from: firedome
Lower taxes in NV, AZ sound pretty good, but what worries me about the SW in general is water, or lack thereof, something we always have plenty of here in NY, and, well, sometimes too much!
I've lived in Arizona for 32 years and in all that time we've never had water rationing or any other restrictions in spite of annual rain fall of around 7 inches. Ironically places that generally get alot of rain have more problems than we in the desert do when rain fall is down. My family in NY has had restrictions on watering their lawn while every 2 weeks I flood my 2 acres with irrigation.azblackhemi2012-11-14 21:50:56
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Post by: Steve on November 14, 2012, 05:15:57 PM


That's because we ship all of our water to you (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Post by: Robert F. Brogle on December 09, 2012, 12:28:02 PM
I don't check in as often as I should, but I am still here. Not doing much car wise, but I am still here. 

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Post by: Robert F. Brogle on December 09, 2012, 12:33:28 PM
Oh, and we also pay a excise tax (property tax) on cars here in Massachusetts.  It's a percentage system based on the original list price and age of the car.  I pay $8.75 a year for the convertiible, and $6.25 for each of the '68 Chryslers.  Daily driver '04 300M Special is somewhere around $80 a year.  Antique resistrations renew every year for $45 (plus a $29 inspection, no emissions) and every other year on the daily driver.