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Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Rbin Henkel on September 28, 2011, 07:33:26 AM



This is my first post to the forum.  I am the happy new owner of a 1965 Dodge Coronet (base) 318 poly. Although it shows the signs of being 46 years old, it runs pretty good. 
It has a cable shift 727 automatic on the column.  
The shifter needs adjustment.  To shift I need to move the shifter indicator one position past the gear I'm selecting--that is, to select Reverse the shifter must be moved to indicate Neutral, to select Drive the indicator needs to go to 2nd, etc.
I may not tackle this repair myself but I am interested in learning.  I already have the 1965 Dart/ Coronet Manual but with my limited auto mechanic experience it's difficult to understand all of it.
Can you suggest any online articles or anything to help me educate myself?
Thank you
Robin Henkel
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Guests on September 28, 2011, 07:41:21 AM
Welcome to the forum first off. Second, although there may be articles to adjust the shifter, it is pretty easy. Set the parking brake and block the wheels, jack her up high enough to get under the car. Disconnect the shifter from the transmission and locate the adjustment mechanism. Go up and put the shifter into neutral, then, move the sifter arm on the transmission from park to neutral, counting the detents. adust the cable/rods so it attaches smoothly and equally, no forcing, no movement, nice and even connection, then gently tighten it enough it won't slip. Go up above and shift to park, start, go from park, reverse, neutral and drive to ensure the two are in sync and you are done. If it doesn't start, it means the adjustment isn't complete so check it again, but this time, look at all the connectins to ensure you don't have any worn parts that allow extra movement.
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Rbin Henkel on September 28, 2011, 08:11:59 AM
Hi Ed,


Robin
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Guests on September 28, 2011, 08:24:47 AM
No problem, easy fix.
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Stitcherbob on September 28, 2011, 03:50:31 PM

It may be more of an indicator problem if the trans shifts into the next gear instead of not going into a selection.
See this site for info on adjusting the dash indicator:
http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1965/GearSelector/index.htm (http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1965/GearSelector/index.htm)

or if it is a selector problem, the adjustment for the trans is different on the cable operated shifters (1965 is a one year only hybrid between the pushbutton shifters of 1956-1964 and the lever operated trans of 1966-on)

(http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Lit/Master/157/page06.jpg)





Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Stitcherbob on September 28, 2011, 04:02:38 PM
BTW Welcome to the site! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley27.gif)


Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Guests on September 28, 2011, 05:08:16 PM
Did I just screw up not thinking cable in 65? I was thinking 64 was the last year for cable of this type, so if I did a booooooboooooo, big time, I apologize, thought maybe the cable was a misprint, looked at on the column as being on the column and rods. If I did goof, I totally and completely apologize for wasting your time, and Stictherbob, thanks for correcting me, I always fess up to proper mistakes.
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 28, 2011, 06:19:37 PM
65 was a hybrid year.
No pushbuttons but still had cable shift.
65  is also the first year for the slip yoke in the trans,and last year for the rear pump equipped trans.
65 was also a wierd year for motor and trans mounts,and related castings on the engine blocks.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Dan Cluley on September 28, 2011, 07:48:42 PM
Cbarge,  that all is correct as far as I know.
 
Robin,
I agree with Stitcherbob.  This may just be a case of the indicator needle being out of adjustment.
 
From your description, I assume if the lever is indicating 1st, your transmission is actually in 2nd.  Can you move the lever one more position beyond "1" to actually downshift to first?
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Guests on September 28, 2011, 07:58:07 PM
Yeah, down to first would be the answer to the needle being out of position, since the park itself is a slide mechanism instead of indicating reverse position being park, right?
 
Again, sorry I misled you in adjustment procedures, one year off.
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Stitcherbob on September 28, 2011, 09:51:23 PM
no biggie....the 65's are a weird lot

There is a control box with 2 cables coming out mounted at the end of the 1965 column.



Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Scott on September 29, 2011, 05:19:12 AM
If needed, here is the Shift Cable adjustment sequence as published in the FSM:
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/rexus31/Reference%20Pics/Tranny-1.jpg)
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Rbin Henkel on September 29, 2011, 05:45:26 AM
Wow, your responses are very appreciated. Thanks for all your comments and help.  I need to re-read and process the info you had given me.  I'm going to see what the column shifter / indicator does going into 1st, and look over the cable at the steering column end and at the transmission. I will report back.
What is your advice on cleaning  / degreasing the area where the control cable adjusting wheel connects to the transmission?  Up under the car there are areas that are hard to reach and I am concerned about getting the surfaces as clean as possible before taking anything apart.
Thanks


Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Guests on September 29, 2011, 06:50:22 AM
A good can of carb cleaner with the straw nozzle, wrap/hang a cloth around the area so it catches the spray, pan or cardboard on the floor.
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Snotty on September 29, 2011, 09:59:33 AM
Quote from: D Cluley
I agree with Stitcherbob.  This may just be a case of the indicator needle being out of adjustment.
 
First thing that came to my mind, but I'm no expert here so remained silent.  I did have the same problem with my '93 Van and it was a simple fix.
 
Welcome Robin!
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Rbin Henkel on September 29, 2011, 05:54:27 PM













Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Guests on September 29, 2011, 07:03:12 PM
So, just to get this right, if you shift into 2 (for drive), and then shift into reverse it works properly? But if you go to reverse (actually neutral), and then 2 (for drive), then shift into reverse it work correctly?
 
If this is the case, there is a clamp that is loose which may actually be at the selector and not at the transmission. Let me know if I am understanding this right.
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Rbin Henkel on September 29, 2011, 09:43:56 PM





Quote from: dana44
So, just to get this right, if you shift into 2 (for drive), and then shift into reverse it works properly? But if you go to reverse (actually neutral), and then 2 (for drive), then shift into reverse it work correctly?




I hope I'm explaining this clearly.  Let me state it another way.  When starting in Park and then moving toward one of the selections to the right of Park such as R N D 2 1, the indicator needs to go one position past the gear I'm actually selecting.  Starting from Park to get into Reverse the the shifter needs to go one position past Reverse into Neutral for the transmission to go into reverse,  or to get into Drive it needs to go to 2nd.  When moving back the other direction however, say from Drive back to Neutral, or Neutral back to Reverse, it works correctly.
If more clarity is necessary I will shoot and upload a quick video to YouTube so you can see what's going on while I demonstrate and explain.
Thank you
Robin Henkel
As a slight diversion from this conversation I'd like to say, I've owned this car for a month and I am happy like a little kid every time I look at it.
How do I  post a photo?



Robin Henkel2011-09-30 02:53:08
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Rbin Henkel on September 30, 2011, 03:51:41 PM


Here's a link to a video description of my shifter issue.  Hopefully this makes it clear. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd3OV-2e6JQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd3OV-2e6JQ)

POLARACO2011-09-30 20:59:23
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Steve on September 30, 2011, 04:03:46 PM


looks like a bad bushing up on the shifter.    Take the cover off at the bottom of the column.  It's either that or the cable is binding.  Not sure how the cable is connected to the column
Title: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: Guests on September 30, 2011, 05:34:11 PM
Has to be slop at the column end of the cable somewhere. I too am unsure how it connects to the column, but whatever clamps the case to the column has to be loose in some manner, which is why one notch right to left works correctly, the loose slack is taken up.
Title: Re: Cable shift on column 65 Dodge Coronet
Post by: mhutch1948 on October 27, 2016, 03:48:56 PM
I had the same problem after  (A) mechanic changed the trans in my 65 dodge Monaco.  I finally figured it out.  Where I lived at the time you couldn't do much work on your cars without the management throwing a fit.