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Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Steve on March 06, 2011, 08:03:53 PM
is the bolt pattern for a Holly 4150 the same as an AFB?
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Guests on March 06, 2011, 08:32:51 PM
I HATE IT when things get moved, I was going to go do a quick measurement for the answer, but I do think there are two patterns, the AFBs are the wide one and the 4150s are the narrow one.
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Jason Goldsack on March 07, 2011, 09:43:53 AM
I put a 600 Holley in place of my AFB.. no difference

Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Steve on March 07, 2011, 02:44:43 PM
So what is a 4150?
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Guests on March 07, 2011, 03:16:57 PM
All the double pumper carburetors, not vacuum secondary carburetors.
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Steve on March 07, 2011, 04:12:43 PM
WILL IT BOLT TO AN AFB CARB MANIFOLD!?!  Sheeesh
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Snotty on March 07, 2011, 06:26:30 PM
I could be wrong, but aren't all square-bore carbs the same when it comes to bolt holes?  Carter/Edelbrock and Holleys, with a few ezxcveptions, are squares.  It should fit.
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Steve on March 07, 2011, 07:56:40 PM
I don't know for sure.  I know I can bolt on edelbrocks, but this is waht I am thinking about.
http://www.professional-products.com/EFI_3.php (http://www.professional-products.com/EFI_3.php)
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Guests on March 07, 2011, 08:19:28 PM
I see the reference to the 4150 bolt pattern. I will have an answer for you tomorrow, have to dig into the shed where I think the wife moved the car parts I had neatly in the corner and out of everyone's way, along with my 383 manifold and verify the fit. I am really thinking the Edelbrock intakes have two patterns, one wide, one narrow and the studs get moved on the Mopars but I will verify just to make sure.
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Steve on March 07, 2011, 09:11:49 PM
I can't find the bolt pattern anywhere for the Holly
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 08, 2011, 01:52:59 AM
Steve,the New Yorker came factory with a Holley and I replaced it with a Carter .
I was still using the factory squarebore 1968 intake.
So,yes to your question.
 
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Steve on March 08, 2011, 08:29:40 AM
That's not a double pumper though Lea.  I know Mobby had one, on his, now that I think about it
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Guests on March 08, 2011, 09:55:53 AM
I can't find my garbage in the garage or shed, it evidently got packed up for transport when that happens. The aftermarket manifolds have dual bolt patterns on them, so I can't figure out for sure if it is a direct bolt-on or not, but, if the 600cfm bolted directly to the intake manifold it will work. The 4150 series is the double pumper carburetor, the 4160 series is the vacuum secondary carburetors and they both have the same bolt spacing. For the life of me, I am thinking the AFB/Carter carbs use the wide spacing, I just can't prove it right now, so Steve, if you are going with the TBI Holley injector setup, they should be able to ask them for sure if it will fit, which it should, and if you have an aftermarket manifold, dual bolt patterns anyway.
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Steve on March 08, 2011, 01:18:15 PM
5 X 5 1/8
 
I called the Carburator store and ordered the kits for the 300H carbs for Corey.  He gave me the dimension
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Jay on July 04, 2012, 10:57:04 AM
Quote from: CBarge
Steve,the New Yorker came factory with a Holley and I replaced it with a Carter .
I was still using the factory squarebore 1968 intake.
So,yes to your question.
 
 
I think they came out of factory with both carter and holley.... some cars got holley and some got Carters. mine is factory and never been changed, mine is a 1966 NYer with a Carter.
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Steve on July 04, 2012, 07:20:13 PM


Never saw a Holly from the factory unless it was special ordered.  Even the HP's had carters
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Jay on July 05, 2012, 04:04:22 AM
Thats what i thought... i was thinking someone told me they never had Holleys in these cars coming out of factory. all the ones my dad owned such as 85 Dodge Ram 440 engine had Carters. wasnt the FORD line that had the Holley carbs out of factory? mines as factory as it gets.. nothing has been ever modified in the car i have now.
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Guests on July 05, 2012, 07:25:27 AM
Ford and Chevy had Holley carbs on some models, only 2bbl were on Mopars from what I recall and they were smaller engines.

Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Snotty on July 05, 2012, 01:50:58 PM

Quote from: birdman652001
Tall the ones my dad owned such as 85 Dodge Ram 440 engine had Carters.  


Holleys were used on many Mopar applications, but like others, I've never seen one.  That could be because I live in California and have only seen "Cal Spec" cars which required the Carters.
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Steve on July 05, 2012, 04:37:07 PM


The only places I ever saw a Holly on a Mopar was the 2 BBL 360's and the 170, 198, 225 Leaner
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Guests on July 05, 2012, 08:23:36 PM
OOo OOOo OOOo ,
 
Stupid me, 6pac setup! 1350cfm of pure Holley carburetor! 2bbl 350cfm center carb to run on, and two 500CFM secondaries.....ANY TIME YOU NEED THEM, and they never choke the engine from lack of air!
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Snotty on July 06, 2012, 11:00:12 AM

Quote from: dana44



D'oh!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Snotty on July 06, 2012, 11:04:58 AM
Just did some digging.  I had heard that many B motors had Holleys in the early '70s.  According to Mighty Mopars 1970-1974 Plymouth switched from the Carter to a Holley - 4bbl - on the 383 in '70.  
I stopped there.  Where there's one there's bound to be more applications.
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Steve on July 06, 2012, 02:05:40 PM


I'll look in the other book.  Like I said, I've never seen one from the factory
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Jay on July 07, 2012, 07:22:42 AM
Quote from: Snotty
Quote from: birdman652001
Tall the ones my dad owned such as 85 Dodge Ram 440 engine had Carters.  

There was no '85 Ram 440.  Last year of the 440, except for holdovers in the Motorhome world, was '78.  Largest motor for a Ram in '85 was the 360, and it would have had a Carter, but it was a Thermoquad which was a spreadbore carb.




 
I stand correct. my dad owned a 1 ton 1985 Dodge D350 with a 440 engine. Even a 1985 B350 VAN has a 440.
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Steve on July 07, 2012, 08:33:39 AM

I personally never heard of a 440 in 85, but that doesn't mean they don't exist
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Jay on July 07, 2012, 05:54:50 PM
well maybe it was added on and replaced the old engine. all i know when we bought it, it stated 440 engine and got parts for at napa for a 440 engine setup. i know most are usually 360s... but this was a 440.
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Jay on July 08, 2012, 05:50:12 AM
did you know ford made a 475 engine?
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Snotty on July 09, 2012, 09:41:49 AM
Yes, a Commercial motor.  Ford also made a 383 - in Mercurys only.


My Son's Gremlin has a 401 in it.  We put it there....
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Jay on July 09, 2012, 06:54:59 PM
Quote from: Snotty
Yes, a Commercial motor.  Ford also made a 383 - in Mercurys only.
 

Quote from: Snotty
I have no problem accepting that your Dad has vehicles from '85 with 440s in them.  What I will not accept is that they came that way from the factory.  What motor information is on the door or in the engine bay itself?  I'll bet it will say either 5.2 or 5.9.
 
we bought it that way... vin matched to motor codes. we no longer have the pickup as we traded it for a 1996 Chevy 3/4 ton.   not arguing, just stating what we had. if a 1985 B350 van had them, why not a D350 ram?
 

I see a lot of '74 E Bodies with 440s in them on eBay.  But I know for certain they did not leave the factory that way.  Even though it was still being made, the biggest motor a '74 E could come with was a 360.

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is a 1985 D350 Ram 1 ton an E body?


Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Snotty on July 10, 2012, 11:09:00 AM

Quote from: birdman652001

 
my grandpa owned a 1979 Grain truck that has a 475 engine and it is not a commerical truck. it had 475 stamped on the truck itself under the F850.




An F850 is a Commercial vehicle.
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Snotty on July 10, 2012, 11:10:17 AM

















is a 1985 D350 Ram 1 ton an E body?

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You apparently missed my point.
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Jay on July 10, 2012, 04:06:36 PM
Quote from: Snotty
Quote from: birdman652001
 









 
 
I take that back... 1979 F800 single tandam axle with my gpa adding a pusher.
 
 
what point did i miss? what body style is the D350 then? sorry.. i will stand my ground 440.
Title: Holly vs. Carter
Post by: Steve on July 10, 2012, 04:27:41 PM


Just headin this off at the pass.  We've been down this road before