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Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Dan Cluley on December 03, 2010, 12:40:03 AM
Is there any way to tell which year this one is?
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/22/57_300.JPG)
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Ken on December 03, 2010, 05:16:36 AM


From the 300 Club Inc website regarding the 300 D,
"It carried forward the design motifs of 1957 with only minor
alterations. The windshield on hardtops now conformed to the windshield
style (domed) of the convertible. Hub caps now had red finish, painted
in the depressed outer areas of the wheel covers."

The grille looks like it has more "mesh" in the 300 D than the 300 C, imo

Moesy2010-12-03 10:18:34
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Ken on December 03, 2010, 05:19:33 AM
And the medallions are different, one has "300 C" and the other has "300 D", 'natch ; )

Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Steve on December 03, 2010, 06:56:11 AM
It's a 58
 
http://www.moparfins.com/Chrysler/Chrysler_Menu.htm (http://www.moparfins.com/Chrysler/Chrysler_Menu.htm)
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: firedome on December 03, 2010, 08:50:22 AM
No, it's a '57... I had one. Look at the windshield header. 57s all had
the old style windshield, with an overhanging roof lip, like this one,
without the bubbled out dome glass at the top. hHubcaps are easy to
change. Thr tail-light lenses are the 1/2 size on 58s, but cant see
it. 

Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Riyad on December 03, 2010, 11:04:58 AM
one of my top 10, I guess the 58' 300 the first Chrysler used Electric EFI
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Snotty on December 03, 2010, 11:13:45 AM
Quote from: firedome
. Thr tail-light lenses are the 1/2 size on 58s, but cant see it. 


 
That's what I was going to say - it's the way I tell them apart.
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Snotty on December 03, 2010, 11:17:21 AM
Quote from: Imperiyad
one of my top 10, I guess the 58' 300 the first Chrysler used Electric EFI



 
I just looked that up - you are right.  First year of a Chrysler with EFI and last year for the original Hemi motors.
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Riyad on December 03, 2010, 11:23:12 AM
don't remember where and when I read about it, I remembered it because I like EFI more than carbs, wonder what hardware and program they used since there were no transistors or chips!!, really amazing
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Stitcherbob on December 03, 2010, 01:27:35 PM

http://www.ch300imp.com/bendix_us.htm (http://www.ch300imp.com/bendix_us.htm)

http://chrysler300country.com/rise_and_fall_of_fuel_injection.htm (http://chrysler300country.com/rise_and_fall_of_fuel_injection.htm)

stitcherbob2010-12-03 18:29:23
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Stitcherbob on December 03, 2010, 01:47:44 PM

(http://chrysler300country.com/bendix_published/images/300D_side_medallion_fuel_injection.jpg)


http://chrysler300country.com/bendix_published/index.html (http://chrysler300country.com/bendix_published/index.html)







Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Dan Cluley on December 03, 2010, 05:49:10 PM
Thanks for all the info.  I've been working on labelling pictures I took last year, and until I got to this one, hadn't realised how little difference there was between the two years.
 
Pulled out my video, and from the rear shot, it's a '57 right?
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/22/57_300_rear.jpg)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Stitcherbob on December 03, 2010, 08:02:14 PM
1957 (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: firedome on December 04, 2010, 04:02:55 PM

The Electrojector was also found on a few DeSotos, Tom White's well
known gold Adventerer convert being one, and recently sold. There were
supposedly a few D-500 Dogdes as well, possibly some Furys too. Almost
all were taken off and converted to carbs. It can be made to work now
with some updates Tom W. perfected, but try to find one.  The
Electrojector design was originally done by Bendix for piston engine
high altitude airplane engines and adapted later for automotive use.



There were transistors in '57 by the way, Shockley, Bardeen et al of
Bell Labs invented them around 1950 and they were in fairly wide use by
'57, even transistor radios were available. No vacuum tubes in the
Electrojector (you gotta amplify with something!)


firedome2010-12-04 21:10:01
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Riyad on December 05, 2010, 11:42:11 AM

yes transistors are there since 1920s but I mean was not that advanced on integrated circuits to handle 'complex'  instructions, I guess they were very slow though for ignition and fuel system at that time 
Imperiyad2010-12-06 04:47:31
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Jacques on December 06, 2010, 05:19:40 AM
And not very reliable yet, from what I've read...
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Snotty on December 06, 2010, 09:36:22 AM
Finding one with the original unit in still working order is very rare! 
 
I've always loved the exterior of the '57-8 Chryslers, but the interior/dash of the '60-62s much better.  Isn't someone on this forum trying to do a "hybrid" of one of these?
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: firedome on December 06, 2010, 04:31:45 PM


No, transistors were not "there since 1920's". Shockley, Bratton and
Bardeen, of Bell Labs, got the Nobel Prize for inventing them, which they did, first publishing in
1949/50.  The Bendix Electrojector actually worked very well, when
it worked, but it had some capacitance issues, however it was not slow to
respond to throttle inputs. Contemporary road tests commented on the
excellent response, acceleration and top end, better than the twin carb
392 hemi. I had one of these cars, the carb version. The EFI  did
lack modern sophisticated sensor inputs like
O2 sensors (the original Volvo Lambda Sond was the first in 1978),
barometric pressure sensors, and similar stuff that we expect now, but
it was pretty good for it's day, again, when working as intended, and it
was far more advanced and superior to the Mercedes mechanical injection
of the time ala that found on the 300SL.


firedome2010-12-06 21:41:32
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Snotty on December 07, 2010, 12:49:36 PM
What type of FI was the one that Chevy started using in '57?  Was it mechanical?  Those seemed to work, and they kept them for quite a few years.
Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Jason Goldsack on December 07, 2010, 02:19:55 PM

Quote from: Snotty
What type of FI was the one that Chevy started using in '57?  Was it mechanical?  Those seemed to work, and they kept them for quite a few years.

It certainly wasn't computerized or the ECU would have been the size of the car.. LOL

Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Snotty on December 07, 2010, 09:00:09 PM
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Title: 57 or 58 Chrysler 300?
Post by: Riyad on December 08, 2010, 02:01:13 AM

Quote from: firedome

No, transistors were not "there since 1920's". Shockley, Bratton and
Bardeen, of Bell Labs, got the Nobel Prize for inventing them, which they did, first publishing in
1949/50.  The Bendix Electrojector actually worked very well, when
it worked, but it had some capacitance issues, however it was not slow to
respond to throttle inputs. Contemporary road tests commented on the
excellent response, acceleration and top end, better than the twin carb
392 hemi. I had one of these cars, the carb version. The EFI  did
lack modern sophisticated sensor inputs like
O2 sensors (the original Volvo Lambda Sond was the first in 1978),
barometric pressure sensors, and similar stuff that we expect now, but
it was pretty good for it's day, again, when working as intended, and it
was far more advanced and superior to the Mercedes mechanical injection
of the time ala that found on the 300SL.



great info thanks man,  its still not  computer efi that I meant but was way advanced at that time.