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Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: firedome on November 23, 2010, 03:50:46 PM
Came across a real solid '51 Hudson Hornet Twin H Power for a decent
price... I know this car's ancestry in Nascar and their reputation and
always liked 'em... and my Grampy had a '51 back in the day, I barely
remember it... anybody had any
experience with Hudson, or care to share an opinion? This one is a real
good untouched original car.  I'm very tempted, even though I've
been looking for something earlier. Whadda ya think?
firedome2010-11-23 21:07:28
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: steve sclafani on November 23, 2010, 04:20:59 PM
I know that there aren't many around. Whenever one shows up at a show it usually wins something, if for nothing more than the recoginition.
 
How much help does it need?
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Steve on November 23, 2010, 04:25:32 PM
Holy cow!  I had a 51 Commador 8 and a 55 hornet.   The hornet was a tri color, gray, pink and white, like the 55 dodge.  I gotta tell you, there wasn't much that could keep up with that Hornet.  The carbs were a bear to keep in sync, but I was a kid.  No money.  Sold both, but ran the pants off of them.
 
Hornets were smaller than the Commador and I felt a better built car.  I had a 55 Plyme before the hornet that just rotted a way.  I don't recall any rust on that Hornet.  Rode like a drean, but typical 50's under/oversteer.
 
Got any pics?
 
I say do it.
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Stitcherbob on November 23, 2010, 10:26:44 PM
I think Kevin Bacon is closer to you than the Hudson is to Mopar.....

Maxwell is the true ancestor to Chrysler...ol Walter P. bought it and renamed the 4 cylinder car after hisself until he got his 6 produced...



Hudsons are cool though (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)


Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Jacques on November 23, 2010, 11:11:21 PM
Go for it! Cool car!
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: firedome on November 24, 2010, 05:36:10 AM
I'm gonna go back and look it over more carefully. It seemed very solid
from what I saw in the dimly lit barn. Needs full cosemtics though and
heaven knows what mechanicals, but the engines are simple and
reportedly tough... Grampy had a Maxwell, then an Essex, which he liked
and led to his buying the Hudson later on.  I'd call Hudson a
Mopar ancestor,  since Hudson, Rambler and Nash combined to from
AMC, which became part of Chrysler under Iacocca around '87. A lot of
Mopar shows recognize and welcome AMC and it's ancestors these days.

Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Stitcherbob on November 24, 2010, 02:30:47 PM
distant cousin twice removed maybe......


you're allowed to bring the dog you bought to family functions but don't call him "grandpa" (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)


Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Guests on November 24, 2010, 05:16:17 PM
In January 1954 Nash announced the acquisition of the Hudson Motor Car Company (http://wiki/Hudson_Motor_Car_Company) as a friendly merger, creating American Motors Corporation (http://wiki/American_Motors_Corporation) (AMC). To improve the financial performance of the combined companies, all production beginning with the 1955 Nash and Hudson models would happen at Nash's Kenosha plant. Nash would focus most of its marketing dollars on its smaller Rambler models, and Hudson would focus its marketing dollars on its full-sized cars.

And we all know AMC/Jeep/Renault was purchased by Lee Iacocca in a grand move to improve our fine company many years ago.

http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?FORM=MSNNAV#JnE9LmJlbmRpeCt3b29kcyUyYytJbmRpYW5hJTdlc3N0LjAlN2VwZy4xJmJiPTQzLjYwODA1ODUyMTQ4ODElN2UtNzkuMDU2MDg3NjU3ODA5MyU3ZTM1LjcyNDAxNDc1ODY4NiU3ZS05My43Nzc3NjczNDUzMDkz (http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?FORM=MSNNAV#JnE9LmJlbmRpeCt3b29kcyUyYytJbmRpYW5hJTdlc3N0LjAlN2VwZy4xJmJiPTQzLjYwODA1ODUyMTQ4ODElN2UtNzkuMDU2MDg3NjU3ODA5MyU3ZTM1LjcyNDAxNDc1ODY4NiU3ZS05My43Nzc3NjczNDUzMDkz)
dana442010-11-24 22:29:26
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Snotty on November 24, 2010, 08:28:10 PM
Quote from: firedome
I'm gonna go back and look it over more carefully. It seemed very solid from what I saw in the dimly lit barn. Needs full cosemtics though and heaven knows what mechanicals, but the engines are simple and reportedly tough... Grampy had a Maxwell, then an Essex, which he liked and led to his buying the Hudson later on.  I'd call Hudson a Mopar ancestor,  since Hudson, Rambler and Nash combined to from AMC, which became part of Chrysler under Iacocca around '87. A lot of Mopar shows recognize and welcome AMC and it's ancestors these days.


 
This is true, but I have not seen a Hornet at a Mopar Show (yet).  Because of our work with the Gremlin I've become aware of a new type of car show - Orphans!   I think we're going to see more of an interest is this type of categorizing in the future.  After all, in recent years cars like Packard (50's cars, not the classics), Hornet as you mention, Nash, Studebaker, Willys, Kaisars and the like are starting to grab attention - and for more than just Street Rods.  People want to put them somewhere and get tired of having to go to the "Special Interest" area.
 
Heck, I get tired of listing my C under that category!
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: steve sclafani on November 25, 2010, 03:14:07 AM
 
So did Kevin Bacon's Granpa ever own a Hudson?
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on November 25, 2010, 03:25:35 AM

What are the six degrees of separation between Steve and Tiny Tim?
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Jacques on November 25, 2010, 04:17:34 AM
Quote from: dana44

And we all know AMC/Jeep/Renault was purchased by Lee Iacocca in a grand move to improve our fine company many years ago.
Not quite.
 
In 87 AMC/Jeep-shares were sold by Renault to Chrysler. Renault has always been running on its own, and still is. Although it has a close co-operation with Nissan, and some engine deals with Daimler/Benz nowadays.
 
But I can imagine you guys are not very aware of this as Renault is not sold much in Northern America. It is one of the biggest players in the European carmarket, and maybe also in other parts of America (Brazil?) but not sure of that.
 
But back on-topic: how's the Hudson?
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: firedome on November 25, 2010, 04:58:01 AM
Haven't gotten back to see it yet, next week I hope. I'm pretty
impressed with the car so far and hope it stands up to close scrutiny.



I was aware of the Renault connection, the Renault Alliance was sold in
AMC dealers in the early 80s, and after Chairman Lee bought AMC, mainly
to get Jeep, the Dodge Monaco was just a badge engineered Renault, had
that crappy PRV V-6 found in upper end Volvos and DeLoreans at the
time, jointly used by Peugeot, Renault and Volvo but essentially
designed by Renault.  Francois Castaing from Renault became VP
chief of Engineering for Chrysler and was influential until he got sick
of Daimler's interference and left. Carlos Ghosn, who's run Renault for
a while now, is a true automotive management genius and the Japanese
idolize him for what he's done for Nissan, the latter having really
turned around and making some really excellent products... I love our
new Xterra, really good vehicle and 24 mpg on triips!




firedome2010-11-25 10:07:14
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Jacques on November 25, 2010, 07:39:40 AM
That PRV-V6 is actually an extremely durable engine (go easily over 300.000miles) that can withstand an amazing amount of abuse.(neglected maintenance and aggressive drivers) But it was not very fuel-efficient (but  comparable US-engines from that era weren't either).

I think the best thing from the merger between AMC and Chrysler is the lessons learned from the AMC design staff, quite impressive what those guys managed on that tiny budget (compared to the big 3). I think that injected a lot of vitality in ChryCo.

Lets hope you will get a good deal on that Hudson!

Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Stitcherbob on November 25, 2010, 07:56:40 AM

best Renault product:

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Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Jason Goldsack on November 25, 2010, 01:27:28 PM
Is that alcohol being injected directly in the top of the ports? WOW.. 17 000 rpm... WOW

Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: 300rag on November 25, 2010, 02:07:30 PM
70 l/100km  =  3.4 MPG
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Jason Goldsack on November 25, 2010, 03:30:10 PM
Just like a 440 in an Imperial. LOL

Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Guests on November 25, 2010, 05:28:43 PM
You are right, there was something about Renault that did get a pass and stay out of the USA for quite some time, thanks for reminding me of that part of history.
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Riyad on November 25, 2010, 10:44:51 PM

Firedom you don't need Renault in the US and you are not missing anything,  Megan for example is worst for non-mechanics  we ever met over here, its good until 50-60,000 KM then problems will start to rise, except for very few types that are good with very good care as Sjak said,
for example, in the Megan changing the light bulb will take 30-45 minutes  by removing the front wheel to access the light assembly from the wheel well 'imagine wet weather, while VW golf for example 5-10 minutes, 
I'm not Mopar Junkie but French cars are not as good as it look
Any photos of the Hudson? one of my favorites, I have to admit I started to like it from the cartoon Movie Cars :D


Imperiyad2010-11-26 04:45:54
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Jacques on November 25, 2010, 11:13:55 PM
Quote from: Imperiyad
for example, in the Megan changing the light bulb will take 30-45 minutes  by removing the front wheel to access the light assembly from the wheel well 'imagine wet weather, while VW golf for example 5-10 minutes, 
I guess you compared to Levi´s old golf. However, on the newer types, it is also lots of work, will take 1 hour or more on those german crap.
 
Lets agree that modern midsize european cars totally suck (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) 
 
 
Quote from: Imperiyad
Any photos of the Hudson?
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif)
 
We want piccies!!
 
Sjak Brak2010-11-26 04:31:53
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Riyad on November 25, 2010, 11:45:11 PM
no Sjak I mean new Golf, I guess I saw show about it..

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ofcourse still a nightmare for them
Title: A true Mopar ancestor?
Post by: Jacques on November 26, 2010, 12:20:17 AM
Luckily I change my bulbs myself when i have a dim bulb (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) 
 
Sjak Brak2010-11-26 05:21:16