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Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Anthony Prescott on November 15, 2010, 09:23:44 AM
where do i rout the water line coming from the water pump to the intake manifold if i want to change the intake??? going with a fuel injection intake manifold and dont know if that water line is necessary for the cooling process. is it? hope not.
Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Guests on November 15, 2010, 02:59:35 PM
Get us a picture of this engine. If there is a water line going to the intake manifold of a 413 it is the rarest engine I have ever seen or heard of.
 
Please.
Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Anthony Prescott on November 15, 2010, 09:24:47 PM
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa271/epitomy_2007/ramcharger073.jpg)
Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Anthony Prescott on November 15, 2010, 09:27:16 PM
cant really see the line, its on the left side of the intake... the left side of the picture
Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Jason Goldsack on November 16, 2010, 03:22:41 AM
If water runs through the intake then I would think you would need to change the heads to eliminate it.

The water must come into the heads and crossover to the other head through the intake.

If the compression is high enough I would say through on another set of heads, and stock RB water pump and you can do whatever you want for intake.

The major concern I have is the direction of the engine. If it is a reverse engine then the crank will be knurled  in the rear seal area for reserve direction sealing. When turned the other way the engine will leak from the main seal.


Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Anthony Prescott on November 16, 2010, 08:05:48 AM
before i change anything. i´ll pull the timing cover off to check, but i think there is a timing chain in her. saw it when i did the bottom end caps. therefore... i dont think its backwards. the backwards engines have a gear drive, and no chain, right?
Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Snotty on November 16, 2010, 09:23:30 AM
I agree, there should not be a bypass hose runmning to the intake on a B/RB Block, even one that's Industrial.  There is on small blocks and /6 motors. 
 
The thing with an Industrial motor is you either use all of those parts or none of them.  The water pump is monted high on this I Motor, but would be in front of the timing chain cover if you used standard parts.  All thigns would change.
 
Did this motor drive something that had air-brakes?  I'm wondering what the large v-belt pulley is for on the front of the crank?
Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Steve on November 16, 2010, 12:54:36 PM
In looking at that, I have no idea where the water can enter the intake.  There has to be ab exit too. (?)  I wonder what its purpose is
Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Jason Goldsack on November 16, 2010, 01:03:19 PM
Does it go through the heat cross-over that is normally used for exhaust?

Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Anthony Prescott on November 16, 2010, 01:22:31 PM
the engine came out of a 71 dodge commander motorhome. normal belts on it. there is one water line going into it, no exit tube. i think it goes through the center of the 5 holes on the head where it meets the intake. this is an exhaust port???? why would they do this? if the heads are already cooled by the water pump, how would this little line be significant? huh... dunno. i guess it makes sense to use all or none of these parts (heads, water pump, and cooled intale). maybe i can still change the intake if i found a way to continue to introduce water into the éxhaust´port on the heads. that may take some time. I like the way these heads perform, (low end torque) so i would hate to change them. these industrial motors are known to bw indestructable. they never over heat, therefore never crack the heads or block.
Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Anthony Prescott on November 16, 2010, 01:27:57 PM







Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Anthony Prescott on November 16, 2010, 01:28:28 PM
THIS IS HOW IT LOOKS AFTER ITS CLEANED UP
Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Brian on November 16, 2010, 03:31:04 PM
Is that the line your talking about sticking up above the valve cover at the 1/2 way point?  Do you have another pic showing this area?  I'm starting to understand what's going on but pictures are worth...as they say...a thousand words...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Anthony Prescott on November 16, 2010, 07:57:41 PM
no. thats the pvc valve and hose. this goes to the carb
Title: SNOTTY!!!!!! 413 ind question
Post by: Anthony Prescott on November 16, 2010, 07:59:01 PM






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