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Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Anthony Prescott on September 29, 2010, 07:48:52 PM
did this engine ever come with a smog pump? looking for the bracket. ac bracket too. thanks in advance(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley33.gif)
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Jason Goldsack on September 30, 2010, 03:06:20 AM
That sucks.. you have to run a smog pump?

Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 30, 2010, 04:22:21 AM


Quote from: moparmanof85
did this engine ever come with a smog pump? looking for the bracket. ac bracket too. thanks in advance(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley33.gif)

But your CA rules are so *******d up, no telling what hoops they make you jump through.
Commando12010-09-30 09:23:18
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Steve on September 30, 2010, 05:44:01 AM
None of the 413's used a smog pump.  That was only seen on late 440's in Cali.  The rest of the world wasn't fooled by the pump idea.
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Snotty on September 30, 2010, 09:01:08 AM
That's too simplistic of an answer.
 
Even in California pumps were not used on Mopars until the late '70s, although GM started using them in the late '60s.
 
Since you're in California, unless you're putting this motor in a vehicle that is from 1976 or newer it will be exempt "from bi-annaul inspections."  (Notice that they are only exempted from the required inspections.  If you;re driving a '66-'75 car that is pouring smoke out the tailpipe, a CHP can write a ticket demanding a smog check.)  So, you don't need to worry about it.
 
Even so, as has been said, they were never put on those motors.
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Guests on September 30, 2010, 01:15:24 PM
UMMM, smog regulations in California got frozen at 1974, whereas in 2004 it was supposed to be anything pre-74 and then 30 years old, they (good old California green initiative legislation) voted to have it freeze at 1974 without exception. I know, really sucks, but that's the way it is.
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Steve on September 30, 2010, 03:47:57 PM
You sure you don't live on Mars?
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Guests on September 30, 2010, 03:57:20 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
You sure you don't live on Mars?



When I think about it sometimes, it might be Uranus(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif).
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Anthony Prescott on September 30, 2010, 05:15:12 PM
i'll take it to oregon then... therefore, no smog pump
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Jason Goldsack on September 30, 2010, 05:24:06 PM
Anything older than 1988 in Ontario Canada doesn't need any emission test... 

Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Snotty on September 30, 2010, 06:44:45 PM
Quote from: dana44
UMMM, smog regulations in California got frozen at 1974, whereas in 2004 it was supposed to be anything pre-74 and then 30 years old, they (good old California green initiative legislation) voted to have it freeze at 1974 without exception. I know, really sucks, but that's the way it is.


 
Um, no.  1975 and older are exempt from the inspections.  Go to the Ca.gov. site and read it.
 
Yes, it was supposed to be a roll-over every year but when that was done away with they froze it at '75 and older.
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Snotty on September 30, 2010, 06:46:34 PM
Quote from: moparmanof85
i'll take it to oregon then... therefore, no smog pump
 
What? 
 
What year is the vehicle?  If it's older than a '75 there is no need to put a smog pump on.  Even if it were newer than that, if it didn't have one on from the factory you will not be required to do so.
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Snotty on September 30, 2010, 06:51:16 PM
Quote from: 1965Windsor361
Anything older than 1988 in Ontario Canada doesn't need any emission test... 



 
It should be the same here.
 
If it were up to me (and it's not) the CA inspection would be tailpipe as primary.  If it passed - even on the Smog Check II dino requirements - you're good for two years.  If it failed, then the hood would be opened for the visual inspection.  But, that's not the way it is.
 
Instread, a CA car MUST pass the tailpipe AND visual inspection, plus the gas cap must be checked too.
 
I had a car that had wonderful smog readings well below the average, and a mile from the passing readings.  But, since it's Check Engine bulb was burnt out they failed the car.  I was pissed!  I don't mind clean air, nor even smog controls but that was just wrong!
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Anthony Prescott on September 30, 2010, 07:10:36 PM
ok... its a 91 and i;m putting the big block in it. i was asking because i need all of the components for smog in 91. hoping that they wont open the damn hood. it may pass without it.
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Guests on September 30, 2010, 08:05:37 PM
IN California, don't even try it, not only will it fail but they will turn it over to the CHP as an illegal vehicle/conversion. The ricers were having problems with things like this and they were having to pay impound fees for operating a vehicle illegally on the street.
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Steve on September 30, 2010, 08:36:43 PM
Get an older truck and spruce it up
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Jason Goldsack on October 01, 2010, 01:13:51 AM
Man that sucks down here..

We only have tailpipe and gas cap leak test.  During a safety they will check for a cat that works ( heat gun aimed at the cat while it's running).

Our test is done on a dyno at a fairly slow speed. Of course you also have to pas the curb idle test for CO and other crap.

I'm glad I never had to test my Big Block Aspen I used to have with no power valve in the Holley.. it would make your eye water at idle sometimes.. LOL




Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Anthony Prescott on October 01, 2010, 04:00:02 PM
to oregon it is then
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Snotty on October 01, 2010, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: moparmanof85
ok... its a 91 and i;m putting the big block in it. i was asking because i need all of the components for smog in 91. hoping that they wont open the damn hood. it may pass without it.
 


No, sorry.  A '91 needs to be "Factory correct" - that means the same motor as the VIN indicates.
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Anthony Prescott on October 01, 2010, 09:31:01 PM
not in a state that doesnt require smog in the rural areas
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 02, 2010, 03:15:12 AM

Quote from: moparmanof85
not in a state that doesnt require smog in the rural areas
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Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Snotty on October 04, 2010, 09:38:10 AM
Quote from: moparmanof85
not in a state that doesnt require smog in the rural areas
 
That's an interesting caveat, and true even in California.  Sierra County deos not have Smog Check I or II.  When you purchase a car it must pass smog, but once that's done there are no further inspections until you want to sell it or move to anohtyer County.
 
Thinking of that, you do not need to move to Oregon as there are a number of Counties in California that are like Sierra.  But, if they are like Sierra County it's very hard to get and hold a job.  SC has 47% unemployment in the winter - and that's in a good economy. 
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Anthony Prescott on October 04, 2010, 11:50:49 AM
its no linger an issue. i found a 74 to put the motor in.
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Steve on October 04, 2010, 12:58:05 PM
There you go
 
Tell us about the 74 you got.  I've been looking around for a 74 to 76 full size Dodge Sedan, or a Chrysler Newport well appointed.
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Anthony Prescott on October 04, 2010, 01:48:12 PM
ita a reg cab 74. 4x4. non op. blown motor. looking at it. not purchaced yet. she's perty though. transfer case and 4 speed are all there. 318 is blown. 
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Anthony Prescott on October 04, 2010, 01:51:02 PM
also looking at a 73 4 door p/u. 440 ci auto 4x4 short bed. probably gets bout 8 mpg. sits up too tall for me though. the guy didnt tell me what he wants for it yet. i want the reg cab anyhow. its too hard to park with the 4 door sticking out in the street
Title: 413 industrial
Post by: Steve on October 07, 2010, 02:06:37 PM
4 doors are rare.  Laughingcow has one too in a diesel version