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Techical Discussions => General Tech- - BRAKES => Topic started by: Jacques on September 12, 2010, 03:53:18 AM

Title: guidepins rear drum shoes
Post by: Jacques on September 12, 2010, 03:53:18 AM
OK I have here a hardware kit for my 2" wide 11" rear drums.

Kit has the following numbers on it:

HW7134, Wagner F785458 Bendix H7134 Raybestos H7134 Eis H7134

According to various sources, it shoud be correct for my 71 SF with 2*11 rear drums.

However, the guide pins are too short so I cannot lock the retainers (springs already fully compressed before I can twist the retainer).

I measured up, current ones are about 5.4mm long, the original are 3-4mm longer. In medieval terms, thats 2.13 inches and 0.12-0.16 inches short.

Any suggestions on what retainers/kit/... I should have instead of the current kit I have?

Title: guidepins rear drum shoes
Post by: Steve on September 12, 2010, 04:59:28 AM
Didn't have that problem when I did the Fury.  Try another hardware manufacturer.  I haven't used a Wagner in years.  Maybe it was mispacked.  Damned Chinamen
Title: guidepins rear drum shoes
Post by: Guests on September 12, 2010, 06:58:52 PM
NAPA carries a whole rack of different pins.
Title: guidepins rear drum shoes
Post by: Brian on September 12, 2010, 08:36:57 PM
Most of the kits out there are for 11x 2.5 or 11x3.  The 11x2 brakes have very little available for them, that's why I upgraded to the more common 11x2.5.

But sounds like a miss pack. 


Title: guidepins rear drum shoes
Post by: Jacques on September 12, 2010, 10:27:59 PM
I checked in my garage, I ordered 2 kits at the time (not sure if 1 kit was for both sidfes or only one), but both contain the pins that are too short (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)

Meanwhile I found that rockauto also lists pins, they are dead cheap, now lets hope they are willing to ship it in an envelope else shipping will be killing...
Title: guidepins rear drum shoes
Post by: Snotty on September 13, 2010, 09:38:18 PM
Sjak, make sure you are using the correct brake shoes.  I ran into this one time; the shoes "looked" correct from top to bottom, but the pins would not hold them.  I finally held them up to the original shoes, face to face, and they were a half-inch wider.
 
This could be your problem....
Title: guidepins rear drum shoes
Post by: Jacques on September 13, 2010, 11:10:05 PM
I know what you mean, I already measured the shoes, they are the correct width, and also from wagner, so expected the stuff to fit together :)
Title: guidepins rear drum shoes
Post by: Snotty on September 14, 2010, 10:30:50 AM
OK, that's not the problem then....  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)
Title: guidepins rear drum shoes
Post by: Jacques on September 16, 2010, 11:46:09 AM
No not this time. But you're right about measuring replacement parts. It happens way too often that stuff simply doesnt fit correctly...

I'm happy its not the shoes as those areway more expensive over here,with shipping and duties they cost me over $100...

Title: guidepins rear drum shoes
Post by: Steve on September 16, 2010, 12:01:20 PM
You could mount them in with nails.  LOL
 
Sometimes the inner part is mounted differently too.  Some are deeper than others.
 
POLARACO2010-09-16 17:01:43
Title: guidepins rear drum shoes
Post by: Jacques on September 17, 2010, 01:12:33 AM
Well, I have to order some stuff at rockauto anyway, a few sets of pins will cost me $2 and no extra shipping, so lets hope it'll be solved :)
 
For any other part of the car I'm willing to look for creative solutions, but I never take chances with brakes. If it means a week delay, then so be it. I'll have some fun with the wiring of tghe Fury in the meantime.
Title: guidepins rear drum shoes
Post by: Steve on September 17, 2010, 06:07:18 AM
Ugh  71 Wiring harness's are one year only and nightmares.  If I ever get another 71 I'm just going to rewire it like a 72 and be done with it.