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Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 05, 2010, 03:53:13 PM
Decided to start a thread in the appropriate place.
 
I spent the day cleaning it up and making room to get it in the tent.  I pressure washed off all the moss and cleaned the engine compartment.  I'm going to have the engine compaerment detailed in a couple of weeks.  Going to run down to Harbor Freight and pick up another engine stand so I can prep this 413 for the 65.  That and the trans will be a winter project.  The Race is on.
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/62home1.jpg)
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/62home2.jpg)
 
 
Not as bad as it looks
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/62home3.jpg)
 
The idiots CUT the harness.  Butchers
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/62home4.jpg)
 
CBarge2010-09-07 22:32:18
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 05, 2010, 04:58:23 PM
Here is my updated list of missing stuff I need.  Appropriate donations are accepted (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 

Hood Latch
All latch support brackets /bolts
Horns
Transmission cross member and bolts/Hardware from a 62 Chrysler. Need the spring
Also need the trans mount, brackets and bolts from 63 or 64 Chrysler. The Imperial will probably be different.
Trans to engine bolts Starter bolts
Inspection plate Aluminum Trans
Throttle linkage
Kick down linkage and hardware
Power Steering Pump, brackets and bolts
Power Steering cooler coil
Alternator Brackets
Water pump pulley
Idler pulley for water pump belt
Air conditioning Brackets, compressor /bolts
Air Conditioning Hoses
Expansion Valve
Vacuum controller, (Servo) brackets and Rods/retainer clips on the heater box under hood.
Condenser /Bolts
Dryer and related lines and hoses /bolts
Hood Hinges /Bolts
Air Cleaner
Right Front Turn signal assembly- Decent lense
Door Latch Rods Inside doors
Right Front
Right Rear
Door latch screws (1 Door)
Shift mech, bezel and buttons. . .screws. A nice one please
As many body and door bolts you can get me. Particularly front fenders, rad support bolts
Washer bottle and pump
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 05, 2010, 06:18:23 PM
Steve,does any 61 parts fit?
Lawrence has a pair of 61's in his yard..
 (http://cgi-wsc.chi.us.siteprotect.com/extras/public/photos.cls/serve/61Chrysler?accountId=AHW050INXEIJ&instanceId=286e86f2ec6a53859f091e1f3b386f08&mediaId=2912c391a6012cf95f505eb6c56d6aece2b6&ts=20090307232240) 
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Stitcherbob on September 05, 2010, 06:31:46 PM
 I saved all these from the 62.....can bring them down Wed night at the cruise.....
Hood Latch
All latch support brackets /bolts
HornsPower Steering Pump, brackets and bolts

Idler pulley for water pump belt

plus I have a 413 oil dipstick tube and trunk latch/ lock plate assembly if needed

Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 05, 2010, 08:10:19 PM
Quote from: stitcherbob
I'm back....and sorry to hear the bad news
 I saved all these from the 62.....can bring them down Wed night at the cruise.....
Hood Latch
All latch support brackets /bolts

Yeah  Bring them on Bob.  It will be good to see you again.
 
I know I shouldn't say this, but I have a pair of seats that need doing.  But I also have another set while these are being done.
 
Take your cat cage with you too.
Gluttin for punishment.  LOL
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 06, 2010, 02:55:50 AM


Yeah  Bring them on Bob.  It will be good to see you again.
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Ditto (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Herman on September 06, 2010, 05:23:31 AM

Quote from: POLARACO
so I can prep this 413 for the 65.


The '62 413 won't play nice with the '65 driverside motormount... ;)

Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 06, 2010, 06:05:46 AM
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Post Jumper!
 
The plan is to pull the 62 413 out of the 65 300 and put the 65 300 in the 65.  Then put the 62 413 into the NYB.  The 413 in the 65 now was a fresh motor I did several years ago.  It was in the 59, then put in the 65, now headed for the 62.  I'm putting a 64 trans in it too.




Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 06, 2010, 08:31:19 AM
I still do get a 4  speed and bell housing out of all of this nonsense, right?
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Herman on September 06, 2010, 08:45:02 AM

Quote from: POLARACO
The plan is to pull the 62 413 out of the 65 300 and put the 65 300 in the 65.  Then put the 62 413 into the NYB.  The 413 in the 65 now was a fresh motor I did several years ago.  It was in the 59, then put in the 65, now headed for the 62.  I'm putting a 64 trans in it too.


Great! At least now I know how someone else percieves my ramblings when I (have to) explain them (again) about the multitude engine swap plans I always have for my projects... Thanks for the insight! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)



Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 06, 2010, 11:23:39 AM
Trust me. . .Swapping engines all over the place, in my environment,  is not my first choice.  If I had a shop to work in, I wouldn't mind so much
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 06, 2010, 12:33:20 PM
Doctor: Don't raise your arm over your head.
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 06, 2010, 01:38:20 PM
Ignorance is bliss

What is in the 65 300 that shouldn't be?

It has to be done
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 07, 2010, 05:31:34 PM
Ok.....62 was the year the fins were removed from the Chrysler models.
Now......Steve's car also suffered more "removal' of parts.
 




So I christen the fabled four door......
PLUCKED CHICKEN
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
That cost me a set of road wheels,LOL!!!
But as always,glad to help.
I know I'm gonna rufflle some feathers,but Steve don't lay an egg.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
CBarge2010-09-07 22:37:45
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 07, 2010, 05:41:18 PM
Seriously,Steve.
Let me know if anything from the two 61's Lawrence has can be of any help.
I can get the parts and bring them down when I deliver the wheels..
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Stitcherbob on September 07, 2010, 05:50:10 PM

Ok.....62 was the year the fins were removed from the Chrysler models.
Now......Steve's car also suffered more "removal' of parts.
 




So I christen the fabled four door......
PLUCKED CHICKEN
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
That cost me a set of road wheels,LOL!!!
But as always,glad to help.
I know I'm gonna rufflle some feathers,but Steve don't lay an egg.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
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I came back for THIS?



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Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 07, 2010, 07:44:01 PM
Quote from: stitcherbob
  



We haven't started on you yet.  Waiting for you to catch up.
 
You gonna make me go to the cruise in tomorrow?(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)  Stop here and I'll show you the seats and take the cat pen home.  I, most likely, won't get down there because of work.  Been super busy
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 07, 2010, 07:50:37 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Seriously,Steve.
Let me know if anything from the two 61's Lawrence has can be of any help.


 
Let me see what Bob has. 
 
 I need body bolts, body bolts and more body bolts.  They're all gone.  Except for the brakes, I want this to look all original.  It's been converted to 4 wheel disc.
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 08, 2010, 04:00:03 AM

Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: stitcherbob
 I came back for THIS? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)



We haven't started on you yet.  Waiting for you to catch up.
Good.  Takes the heat off of me, now...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: firedome on September 08, 2010, 06:13:19 AM

There's a very complete '61 Newpie in the yard near here too... and a 62 Dodge 880 wagon (same body).


firedome2010-09-08 11:14:36
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Marc on September 08, 2010, 09:51:54 AM
i have that tansmission mount form that Imperial we can send it out soon or wait to see what else you need after Bob gets there.
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 08, 2010, 02:55:39 PM
Thanks Mark. . .   But I would thing the Imperial would be way different as it's a frame car vs. unibody.
 
I think I better get one from a 62 and a 64 Chrysler, not an Imp. 
 
The reason I say both is because the mount on the trans may be located in a different place than the 62.  I ordered the books for the car, so I can see if there is any difference in the trans.  The only guy I knew who would know off the top of his head is dead now.
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Marc on September 09, 2010, 06:58:05 AM
ok i have one out of a 64 New Yorker out the back door also a couple 62s so let me know what you need.
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 09, 2010, 08:32:57 AM
I'll send you the list soon. 
 
But I do need the cross members from both.  I also need the spring the trans sits on in the 62.  Don't forget the bolts.
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 10, 2010, 05:12:37 PM
I picked up the road wheels today.
I have to get the trim rings tomorrow.
Little worse for wear from being outside for a while.I thought all centers were there but a couple are gone.
Good news is the chrome will clean up nice and a shot of paint in the center wll bring them alive..
Fuuny story is these wheels were mine ten years ago.They were on my 77 Newport,then my New Yorker until 2004.From there they were swapped around from car to car within our little mopar community.Now I got them back--and now they are heading to Joisey!!
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/e%20bay%20lisings/DSC01817.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/e%20bay%20lisings/DSC01818.jpg)
I will dismount the tires this week.
CBarge2010-09-10 22:15:07
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 10, 2010, 06:38:24 PM
Got any 360 heads?
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: azblackhemi on September 10, 2010, 07:33:07 PM
Wow, those pictures of the road wheels make me glad I moved away from the Northeast and moved to the Southwest!
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 11, 2010, 04:03:24 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Got any 360 heads?
I have THREE sets.One set pre-smog.
ya want em?
 
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 11, 2010, 07:24:24 AM
I just need one set.
 
I'll have to ask mark about his wheels now.  I know he has those centers
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 11, 2010, 06:45:50 PM
I picked up the trim rings today.

Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: AJ on September 11, 2010, 07:06:45 PM


Whoa...this thing really is a plucked chicken.  HAH!
What a pitty...that's OK.  You'll make it right. :)
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 28, 2010, 04:00:08 PM
I dunno where to post this.  In the 65 thread, or here.  Well it's part of the 62 Project I guess.
 
Finally got my 2nd engine stand, I put the 65 413 0n it.  First order of business was to blast off the inch of caked mud off.  Cleaned up pretty fast as the mud and dirt soaked up most of the oil.  Next thing was to pop open the freeze plugs and start loosening the crap out.  Yeah right.  Had to chissel out the center of the rear one because the wather jacket sludge was pile over it and packed solid.  Took a bit to get the slug out.  Even paper thin.
 
The cylinders are in remarkable shape.  This motor may not have the thought 138,000 miles, looking at the wear, it may just be 38,000.  Going to leave the cylinders alone and freshen the bottom.  I may just leave the cam too.  Have to look at the lifters, but if they are in nice shapr, I'll just take them apart and clean them.
 
So it looks like it's a clean the crank, bearings, seals, timing chain and heads.  Might get away cheap on this after all
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 30, 2010, 04:18:01 PM
I should have taked a picture of the block before I started, but Mark Moore can tell you.  The crud on this motor was over a 1/4" thick under the heads.  You couldn't even identify the oil pump except for the filter.
 
Thw water jackets have been blasted clean, the block is virtually spotless now, and it's time for work.
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/65-413-1.jpg)
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/65-413-2.jpg)
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on September 30, 2010, 08:41:02 PM
Here's more on this motor
 
http://www.moparfins.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3769 (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3769)
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on January 22, 2011, 04:25:44 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
I should have taked a picture of the block before I started, but Mark Moore can tell you.  The crud on this motor was over a 1/4" thick under the heads.  You couldn't even identify the oil pump except for the filter.
 
Thw water jackets have been blasted clean, the block is virtually spotless now, and it's time for work.
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/65-413-1.jpg)
 



 
Here is what it looks like now.  The other head will be on tomorrow.  I have to lap all the valves yet.  Almost done.  Shove this in a corner, and prep the magnum for the 68.  Focus this year will be on the Fury and the 62.  The 300H will be in the tent by October.  The New Yorker will be running and driving by then.
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/DSCN0046.JPG)
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on January 23, 2011, 03:04:29 PM
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Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Guests on January 23, 2011, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
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THESE ARE MY FAVORITE HEADS WITHOUT A DOUBT(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif).
 
Do the combustion chamber just like the LaRoy head and you will have it right. Take a flat edge and hold it against the face of he valves and you will see the lip that is in the way which messes up flow and needs to be removed completely. And if, from the looks of the picture the heads are already bolted on, oh, well, a loss is a loss, at least they are closed chamber heads.
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on January 23, 2011, 05:00:17 PM
It doesn't matter on this engine.  This is for the 65 which will get flipped.  All these heads got was seals and a relap.  Sealed up the bottom end, paint and plop 
 
I'm working my up to the 700's I have for the 62 engine.  Those are the heads I will be putting time into. I'm taking the engine out of the 65, which is a fresh engine, and bolting on a ported set of heads.  I don't understand where you are talking about
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Guests on January 23, 2011, 05:55:30 PM
Look at the combustion chamber, top side is the spark plug, the lip is on the opposite side where the big quench area is. If you feel this edge you will see it is between .120-.150inch tall between the cast valve pocket and the machined surface of the quench area. This big lip is a ramp of the wrong type. Here is what is happening and what happens when it is removed. As the intake valve opens, air is sucked into the cylinder. As it comes out the valve opening it hits this lip and curls, which slows down what is being sucked into the cylinder, some reversion, or pressure builds up right there and it is all restriction that isn't needed. Remove the lip and the valve opens and as much as the cylinder can suck into the cylinder occurs at low and high lift. NOTE: if you look at flow numbers you will notice a jump in the increase as the lift increases. At some lift points there is a bigger than exponential increase where the valve opening is past this lip thus the big increase, and then at a higher lift there is a fall-off, where the lip builds pressure and reduces the flow which should not happen.  Same thing happens with the exhaust side of the equation, this lip, as the piston is coming up and squishing the exhaust out the valve pushes the exhaust gasses flat and against the valve itself instead of into the opening until, just like the intake, the valve is open at certain height. Remove the lip and the flow goes into the open exhaust valve because it is pushing into the combustion chamber pocket and then out more smoothly. Now, let's go to the burn side inside the combustion chamber and compare the stock stuff going on against the edged head with this lip removed. Piston comes up and the sparkplug sparks, flame starts travelling across the faces of the valves and when it gets to this lip, pictures show the gas burns and curls back into the previously burned area. Pictures have been taken of this flame front and that's what happens, then the piston drops, the compression drops and the excess fuel/air then burns colder because of less compression, coking and carbon looking junk is the result, the outside edge of the piston remains clean because the expansion of the burning gas sucks the cool fuel/air away from there and it remains cleaner (show me 100 crusty piston tops and I will tell you where the quench pads are every time). Now, with the lip/edge removed, as the sparkplug sparks at TDC and at the higher compression, the flame travels across the valve faces and continues as far across the piston and combustion chamber and acts as a wedge into the quench pad area and as the piston starts to drop the flame is still travelling outward (no curling until it hits the cylinder wall, and that's the end, full burn at higher compression, the goal from day one), and the last burns at a higher compression than the other head thus it is more efficient. Since it burns at a higher compression it is burning cleaner and hotter and faster, thus less pinging, less timing needed, cheaper fuels can be run at a higher compression ratio without a problem, and most of all, more power/torque is built than any other ported head on the planet. Additionally, this lip, since the fuel coming into the cylinder hits this sharp lip, sharp edges tend to remain hotter (look at where the most flames are on a burning 2X4 or split log, compare it to a round log), and this hotter edge is what causes pinging (hot sharp edge, fuel/air hitting it, instant spark right there). Remove the edge and the tendency to ping goes away.
 
This LaRoy guy has gotten the closest to what I do to a head to improve its efficiency and make the most power out there.  As the video says, there are three important things. Porting, porting and lastly, porting. Flow numbers are important, but if you have big flow numbers that are restricted getting into the combustion chamber itself, big numbers mean nothing.
 
Does this help?
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on January 23, 2011, 07:30:12 PM
Does this help?
 
Nope! 
 
Are you talking about the bottom of the chamber around the valves?  Or are toy telling me I need to ramp the closed chamber part.
 
I remember what you had me do on the Magnum heads. 
 
BTW, I have to pull the heads on that motor to change the lifters.  I have damaged ones from the bent push rods
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Guests on January 23, 2011, 07:35:36 PM
Since I got the digital camera and such, I will dig out my closed chamber heads to compare to yours, and I will do some drawings to illustrate what is going on, take pictures of them and post them, show you what is going on. I am sure we can get this both illustrated and figured out all at once. It is a lot to absorb all at once, gotta break it down a little better, pictures help me all the time.
 
What happened to the lifters? Bent pushrods should have been just that, bent pushrods, the lifters are difficult to damage without damaging other things, like the valves and the likes.
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on January 23, 2011, 07:47:01 PM
I bent them turning the engine by hand.  Being partially blind, I misread the markings on the cam and screwed up.  The valves were fine.  I just bent all the exhaust push rods.  When you start it up, it makes a hello a racket. Takes a while to go away.  The lifters were new and never run when that happened
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Guests on January 23, 2011, 08:31:57 PM
Bummer.
 
Steve. Send me a personal with an email address I can send you three pictures I have drawn. I remember my camera being a mega-pixel camera and I don't think I will be able to download them to this site, but you may be able to insert them after I send them to you. I had this problem in the past, I know it hasn't changed. I will get them to you around noon your time, have to deal with the building department in the morning, wish me luck.
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on January 24, 2011, 10:52:40 AM
Seek and ye shall find.  I fixed them up for ya ed.
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/RBCylinders1.jpg)
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/RBCylinders2.jpg)
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/RBCylinders3.jpg)
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Steve on January 24, 2011, 10:54:00 AM
By the way, I think I am going to move all this to a new thread.  This is information worth having separated and we hijacked the wrong topic.  This goes with Jasons 361 thread, but I was avoiding Hijacking it.
Title: 62 New Yorker is Home aka plucked chicken
Post by: Guests on January 24, 2011, 12:10:36 PM
New topic would be good, I am free to answer any questions and help explain any questions. Some of the pictures are double wide, so don't miss half of them when looking at the two comparisons.  Half of it is me, I just needed to widen the screen.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)dana442011-01-24 17:11:44