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Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: John B. on August 05, 2010, 05:51:26 PM
Hi guys; I'm knee deep in the middle of converting my Budd discs to 73 spindles rotors etc. I was lookin at an earlier thread where C-Barge talks about Boosters. Question, is the Midland- Ross booster used on the Budd system still available? My 66'T&C had Budds & cruise control, which makes for a tight fit. Secondly is that M-R booster a dual diaphragm? Most of the single diaphragm Boosters I can find are only rated for drum brakes. Oddly enough thats what was on the car (single diaphragm) when I bought it, and the owner said the brakes performed poorly.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif) thanks, John.
Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Brian on August 05, 2010, 08:44:25 PM
I know on the other C-body board Ross (Jazzandmoparguy) has done this upgrade and knows all the in's and outs of the earlier boosters and cruise control.

I believe you will need a Bendix booster, must be the proper one, not the "Should work for your application" unit.  And then you will need a right hand exit MC, so the lines exit on the engine side of the master cylinder, not the fender side, if that makes sense.  Then everything will clear your factory cruise set-up.

Here is a pic of the booster your need...

(http://www.hotrodsusa.com/store/images/brakes/B3B2410831.jpg)

And the link to it for sale...

http://www.hotrodsusa.com/store/product1459.html

And the MC.....this is the style you will need but with the brake line ports on the other side.

(http://www.mmpar.com/mmparimages/cd0/images6/mvc-878s.jpg)




Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Steve on August 06, 2010, 03:13:00 AM
I happen to have one of those boosters rebuilt.  Needs a check valve.  Willing to let it go pretty cheap
Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: John B. on August 06, 2010, 01:11:17 PM
Hi Brian; Thanks for the info & pic's," I've been round the Mulberry bush" with NAPA here, I think the booster coming is finally the right one! No listings for a 66' with disc brakes! I guess cause they had just come out that year. Thanks for the offer on the Booster Polaraco, but with all this trial & error fitting, it makes sense to be able to return them, if they don't fit! Just a quick update on the Wagon, Brian ,I'm getting the Torqueflite gone thru, and then we drop in the 413. Hopefully will have on the road by the end of August! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif) John.
Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Snotty on August 07, 2010, 02:49:17 PM
I swapped the drums in my '70 Newport for disks and, against much offered advice, kept the drum power booster.  I've had no problems.  I even did a panic stop TODAY - no problem and no loss of brake power.

 
If your original booster is working I would not worry about swapping it.
 
This is my opinion.
Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Steve on August 07, 2010, 02:59:42 PM
I have yet to find out what the difference is between the boosters.  Is the same deal as ball joints for disc and drum brakes?
Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Brian on August 07, 2010, 03:58:02 PM

Quote from: POLARACO
I have yet to find out what the difference is between the boosters.  Is the same deal as ball joints for disc and drum brakes?

Drum brake boosters are a single diaphragm, and disc brake boosters are a dual diaphragm.  Both produce power to the push rod, but the dual diaphragm produce more power then the single.  Think of it like a block and tackle set-up, having the rope go over one or more pulleys makes it easier to lift said item.  Same type of principle with the single vs dual diaphragm boosters.

A drum booster will work, and stop your car, BUT in certain situations it "may" not have the "power" to stop those rotors from turning as well as the dual diaphragm booster would.

I'd rather know I have more power then needed for braking, then to rely on a booster that may, or may not, stop my vehicle when the emergency arises.

Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Jacques on August 08, 2010, 02:01:42 AM
Brian, that depends on the year/model I guess. My ex 73 Imperial had both standard disc brakes and a dual diaphragm booster...

Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Ken on August 09, 2010, 05:59:47 PM

Quote from: POLARACO
I happen to have one of those boosters rebuilt.  Needs a check valve.  Willing to let it go pretty cheap

Oh fearless leader?  Do tell! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif)

Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: John B. on August 09, 2010, 06:09:53 PM
Hey Guys; The T&C had a single diaphragm booster, and it was not original. The person who sold me the car, said the brakes were an ongoing issue,  which they never sorted out. I plan too use the wagon too haul my travel trailer occasionally! so I dont want to have to carry a boat anchor, to heave out the window! One other thing I learned, is the Lower Ball Joint assy's are only available through "Rare Parts" in Cali. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif) John
Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Brian on August 09, 2010, 09:06:34 PM
If your converting to 73 disc brakes, with spindles and all, you shouldn't have to buy the Bud disc brake ball joints.  You can order the regular drum/disc brake lower BJ's for 65-73 C-bodies.




Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: John B. on August 10, 2010, 05:30:01 AM
Brian; yes, I'm using the 73' spindles, but I'm removing the Budd set-up. Which includes a complete ball joint swap, upper & lower. I want to run new parts, from the get go!! Even the lowers for the 73 are not readily available, at least not in Canada!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Brian on August 10, 2010, 07:41:12 AM

Quote from: lebaron413
Brian; yes, I'm using the 73' spindles, but I'm removing the Budd set-up. Which includes a complete ball joint swap, upper & lower. I want to run new parts, from the get go!! Even the lowers for the 73 are not readily available, at least not in Canada!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

That is one of the things I like about living so close to the Canada/USA border, I can get my stuff shipped to my US address then walk, or drive, across and pick them up.  Saves tons of money on additional shipping charges and duties.

But if your BJ's are coming from Cali anyway would it not have been cheaper to buy a rebuild kit from either PST or Just Suspension?  I know several guys have stated that the cost of the BJ's alone were worth almost what the complete rebuild kit was worth.



Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Ken on August 10, 2010, 01:50:17 PM



You don't HAVE to buy the lower ball joints from Rare Parts, if you can find them somewhere else.  They are the same as the drum brake lower ball joints ('65-'73), which  is one of the reasons the swap to the '73 only 1 piece discs works from an economic stand point.

http://www.egge.com/site/?d=48&dt=1&SubCategoryId=&make=CHRYSLER&model=NEW+YORKER&year=1972&rpp=10 (http://www.egge.com/site/?d=48&dt=1&SubCategoryId=&make=CHRYSLER&model=NEW+YORKER&year=1972&rpp=10)

I'll bet these are a little cheaper than Rare Parts by an order of magnitude! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)



Moesy2010-08-10 18:56:52
Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: John B. on August 10, 2010, 03:23:43 PM
Hi Moesy; well this may suprise you, $104.65 ea! from Rare Parts. One side was damaged by someone who beat me to the donor car, Pick N Pull wrecking yard.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) all in all, not a bad  price . they also re-engineer all their components, for longer life than OEM.
 
 Hey Brian;  How about me shipping you the ball joints, so I can pick them up from you or have you put them "on the Dog" to me.  John.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif)
Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Brian on August 10, 2010, 07:11:27 PM

Quote from: lebaron413
Hi Moesy; well this may suprise you, $104.65 ea! from Rare Parts. One side was damaged by someone who beat me to the donor car, Pick N Pull wrecking yard.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) all in all, not a bad  price . they also re-engineer all their components, for longer life than OEM.
 

Sure John I'll help if I can.  I'll PM you the address and other info.

Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
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Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Steve on September 26, 2010, 07:37:40 PM
Mosey. . .Yeah I have a rebuilt Budd Booster here.  Needs a check valve.  $50 bucks
Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Ken on November 28, 2010, 06:42:55 PM

Quote from: POLARACO
Mosey. . .Yeah I have a rebuilt Budd Booster here.  Needs a check valve.  $50 bucks

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) Am I too late?  I get paid Wednesday....annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd my birthday is Saturday (http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif)

Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: summer scheifer on January 07, 2011, 05:56:52 PM
any other parts you selling? maybe its too late and apology for making this up. i just want to know if there is another rebuilt Budd Booster there. $50 bucks? is it cheaper? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif) anyway i need also an oem acura parts (http://www.drivewire.com/make/acura/). any idea on how to get some? i'll be leaving tomorrow for work. just pm or email me. thanks a lot.

Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Steve on January 07, 2011, 09:30:08 PM
I still have it.  nag me, i'll get a pic
Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Ken on January 09, 2011, 01:40:49 PM

I still have it.  nag me, i'll get a pic[/QUOTE]

Consider yourself nagged (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Steve on January 09, 2011, 03:37:49 PM
I been on my feet all day in a cold garage.  Don't nag
Title: Power Booster on 66' T&C
Post by: Steve on January 09, 2011, 03:47:23 PM
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