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Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Steve on April 17, 2010, 03:39:10 PM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/Voabdies3.jpg)



(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/Voabdies1.jpg)
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/Voabdies4.jpg)
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/Voabdies2.jpg)
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 17, 2010, 03:45:39 PM
I am embarrased for you...
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Steve on April 17, 2010, 05:08:56 PM
How so?
 
It will continue to live.
 
It's going to be a donor to the Blue car.  To start with, I now have my sub frame, and front inner fenders.  It also has a 3.23 sure grip, which will eventually end up in Polaraco.  Not to mention, there is a cache of small parts in demand.
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 17, 2010, 05:12:38 PM
At least Steve did not have a ton of cash sunk into the VoaB.
Besides,as he says,nothing will be wasted.
He likes the 68's better anyways.
 
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Steve on April 17, 2010, 07:07:40 PM
Speaking of Leaburn
 
I found your coat in the trunk.  I almost burned it with the Blasma cutter before I realized what it was.  Go the hat
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Steve on April 17, 2010, 07:08:19 PM
Quote from: CBarge
At least Steve did not have a ton of cash sunk into the VoaB.
Besides,as he says,nothing will be wasted.
He likes the 68's better anyways.

I have a boat load of NOS parts for it though
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: firedome on April 18, 2010, 03:17:15 PM
Oh, the Humanity!! That is a sad sight indeed... RIP.

Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Steve on April 18, 2010, 04:43:06 PM
It got pretty ugly as I got further into it.  I'm glad I didn't put allot of money into it.
 
Here's a pic of what I have salvaged so far.  While the door panels were wasted, I managed to save all the stainless and the Sports Fury Emblems.  Bunch of Misc. bits and pieces that ought to sell.  Saved all that odd ball stuff.  I'm saving the rear rails incase I need them for the 68.  But I don't think I will.  The trunk was pretty solid.  I need to make one piece for it.
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/voabdies5.jpg)
 
If you study the next two pictures, you will understand the importance of a trunk floor and a rear floor.  The trunk floor especially.    The front of the rails stop at the back seat perch.  This picture shows the torque box fully exposed.  I cut it at the rocker.  I can easily weld it in with some light angle iron or a home made angle. 
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/Voabdiesrails1.jpg)
 
If you follow the rails over the hump, you'll see what I mean about the trunk floor.  The floor keeps the rear rails straight and helps keep the rails from bending up and down as well.  So if you have rotted floors, fix them.
 
Most people have never seen this far down in a car.
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/voabdiesrails2.jpg)
 
I was thinking of getting out the ol poly mallet/ball pien.  I might be able to duplicate this floor.  Or at least make a template
 
I was hoping to get both 1/4's off this weekend, but there isn't enough room on the other side and the door is blocked, so I can't pull it out.  Goint to take the engine hoist and lift that side up as high as I can.
 
The rear is a 742 case, sure grip.  I am assuming a 276 or a 323.  Eventually it will end up in Polaraco if it's a 3.23.
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Dan Cluley on April 19, 2010, 01:24:11 AM
One problem with the convertibles is that the floor right above the torque box is that area next to the rear seat where the water collects if your top leaks and/or the drains are plugged.  Then the spring mounts rust out from the top down!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/22/Voabdiesrails2.JPG)
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: firedome on April 19, 2010, 03:39:40 AM
Interesting pics. Are there heavier sections or additional stiffeners in that vert not found on closed cars?

Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 19, 2010, 04:53:53 AM
Hoo-boy...  Here we go again.
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Herman on April 19, 2010, 05:01:43 AM
Hey I've got similar pics of a '65 300 I pulled apart recently :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/BigBlockMopar/1965Chrysler300ParadeCar/IMG_0399.jpg)



Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Steve on April 19, 2010, 06:32:39 AM
same color too.  Looks nicer than this POS
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Steve on April 19, 2010, 06:34:35 AM
Quote from: D Cluley
One problem with the convertibles is that the floor right above the torque box is that area next to the rear seat where the water collects if your top leaks and/or the drains are plugged.  Then the spring mounts rust out from the top down!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/22/Voabdiesrails2.JPG)

I agree Dan. . .It depends on how the car was sitting..  It's better to leave out the plugs if you have leaks . . .
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Dan Cluley on April 19, 2010, 11:58:39 PM
Steve,  Is the trunk floor welded to this crossmember or just to the frame rails on either side?




 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/22/voabdiesrails2b.JPG)
 

Quote from: POLARACO
It's better to leave out the plugs if you have leaks . . .
 
I actually used some sheet metal and seam sealer to dam off that corner by the wheelwell, and added a ¼” drain hole.  This keeps any water that gets in from running forward and getting the carpet wet.
 
Quote from: firedome
Interesting pics. Are there heavier sections or additional stiffeners in that vert not found on closed cars?
 
There seems to be an extra reinforcement inside the rockers.  (I’ve not cut mine open to verify this ;) )
 (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/22/65_300_hdtp_2.JPG)

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/22/voabdiesrails2d.JPG) 
 
The convertibles have the torque box bracing under the front spring mount.
 
There are spring loaded wedges on the door jamb that are supposed to help maintain the proper gap between the door and the body.
 
There is an extra brace from the rear wheelhousing up to the underside of the body next to the trunk hinge.




 

D Cluley2010-04-20 06:19:58
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: firedome on April 20, 2010, 04:12:49 AM
I was well aware that they did extra reinforcement in the verts, but
it's interesting to see actual photographic evidence of just how they
accomplished it.  That rear seat brace may look identical but be
heavier gauge, for example. My dad sold Bethlehem Steel to all the auto
makers, and spec-ed it out according to engineering requirements, he
was an ME. I
wish he were here to tell me specifics. He did tell me once that Mopar
was the last of the Big 3 to go to thinner gauge body panels, around
the early 1980s. The altered alloy "high strength" steel was more
brittle and harder to form in dies, along with a thinner section and
less energy absorbtion, which had to be increasingly engineered into
the structural shape to make up for mass and tensile and ductility
qualities.


firedome2010-04-20 09:17:58
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 20, 2010, 05:09:25 AM
I'm not looking at anymore of those pictures.  Every time I do I feel like I need a shower and a tetinus shot...
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 20, 2010, 08:10:24 AM
Steve,there may be a few Dockers looking for sheetmetal,FYI.
 
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Steve on April 20, 2010, 08:58:45 AM
Well I have 1 LF Fender, 2 doors, one with glass, 1 LR rear quarter available
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Steve on April 20, 2010, 09:08:59 AM
D Cluley   Steve,  Is the trunk floor welded to this crossmember or just to the frame rails on either side?




 
No.  If you are talking about the cross member over the axle, It is not 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/22/voabdiesrails2b.JPG)
 

Quote from: POLARACO
It's better to leave out the plugs if you have leaks . . .
 
I actually used some sheet metal and seam sealer to dam off that corner by the wheelwell, and added a ¼” drain hole.  This keeps any water that gets in from running forward and getting the carpet wet.
 
Quote from: firedome
Interesting pics. Are there heavier sections or additional stiffeners in that vert not found on closed cars?
 
There seems to be an extra reinforcement inside the rockers.  (I’ve not cut mine open to verify this ;) )
 (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/22/65_300_hdtp_2.JPG)

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/22/voabdiesrails2d.JPG) 
 
D Cluley  The convertibles have the torque box bracing under the front spring mount.
 
There are spring loaded wedges on the door jamb that are supposed to help maintain the proper gap between the door and the body.
 
There is an extra brace from the rear wheelhousing up to the underside of the body next to the trunk hinge.
 
All Correct.  The piece in the rocker is 1/4" Thick!  A real bear to cut through.



 

The brace across the back of the rear seat is different, but I don’t think it is really any stronger.
 
The Torque box is added to a standard torque box and over laps all the welded connections as well as having a few of its own to the rocker.  Even at that, this car was a bowl of Jello when I got it, but pretty tight when I finished.  However, rust was popping up in strange places like over the rear axle, the inside of the left rear wheel well where it joined the floor, the shaft hump in the back seat, that was after I finished the floor back there, a few spots showed up over the winter under the back seat. . . . I finally said "that's it!"  Grave yard.  But it is an excellent donor for the 68 as all of the stuff I potentially need is in perfect condition.  I'll bet I knocked another 50 pounds of mud out of this thing. 
 
Almost Plasma Cut a 30 Cal Round stuck in a corner too.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
This was excellent!  Now you can see the difference between a Vert and a coupe.  The 4 doors HT's may have a second layer in the rockers.  Not sure.
 
POLARACO2010-04-20 14:10:55
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 20, 2010, 10:20:41 AM
From the Boab..
  (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/cars/IMG_1185.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/cars/IMG_1176.jpg)
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Brian on April 20, 2010, 06:19:36 PM
Hey Steve, do you want to sell that 68 inland shifter handle?

Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Steve on April 20, 2010, 07:01:55 PM
I want to sell the whole assembly Brian.  I would prefer not braking it up 
 
The reverse release is stuck, but I am soaking it.  The shifter is pitted.
 
I'm going to put the trans in the 68 behind a 360.  Planing on putting a Hurst in there.
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: firedome on April 21, 2010, 04:33:10 AM
I'd think any of the vert specific parts, trim, top frame, windshield header, etc would be fairly sought after.

Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Steve on April 21, 2010, 06:13:01 AM
Yeah  I have allot of that already
Title: Let's have a Moment of Silence for the departed
Post by: Brian on April 21, 2010, 07:32:16 PM

Quote from: POLARACO
I want to sell the whole assembly Brian.  I would prefer not braking it up 
 
The reverse release is stuck, but I am soaking it.  The shifter is pitted.
 

I don't need the mechanism...I'm going to run a hurst as well.  I plan on fabbing up an adapted so I can bolt the inland onto the hurst mechanism.

If you decided to break it up let me know.