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Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Jolanda on April 17, 2010, 05:49:16 AM
Hello,
My boyfriend has a question. I told him that overhere on this forum a lot of smart people are hanging around. I hope one of you has a answer. He is looking for a new transmission-thingy.

Here is the question:
Can anybody tell me what these numbers are?

Tried to find something, but can't found it:

On the transmission housing : 2400066 2A

On the tale: 2464217-1 AAPM


Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Steve on April 17, 2010, 08:14:16 AM
Looks like casting numbers.  I have a book around here that may cover those. . .  I'll see if I can find it
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 17, 2010, 10:48:32 AM
"Searching for my boyfriend..."
Until I read the whole question, I was going to refer you to Craigslist...

Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Steve on April 17, 2010, 01:40:04 PM
Quote from: Commando1
"Searching for my boyfriend..."
Until I read the whole question, I was going to refer you to Craigslist...




 
Or his other girlfriends house. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Guests on April 17, 2010, 09:30:46 PM
OK, what is the transmission in, and what is the engine itself? Is it then an automatic or manual transmission? There are lots of applications and swaps for the transmissions, so casting and parts numbers sometimes don't help much, and then the question still remains, what is the actual problem?

Or is it something in the garage he is simply trying to sell?dana442010-04-18 02:33:39
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Jolanda on April 17, 2010, 09:46:28 PM
Ok, here is my boyfriend. His other girlfriends are walking on 4 legs, so they don't know a lot about cars. Only that it is fun to bark at them......(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
I've already told him that he must make an account here on this forum instead on the b-body forum. Maybe now he is going to do that.

Here he is.....enjoy..... :)

Thanks already for the reactions.
I can buy this transmission, for my 1964 dodge 440.
I'm going to do an max wedge engine swap and I need a 727 pushbutton transmission.
I can buy this one with those casting numbers.
So my question is this transmission the one I need or can use?
Thx folks!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif)


Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Steve on April 18, 2010, 07:25:39 AM
By description
 
It's an aluminum trans, cable shift, with a second cable for park.  In 1964 they still used the Ball and trunion U joint, so the trans would have a flat flange.  (I hope you can understand all this)
 
So you need a transmission from a 1963 or 64 Chrysler or Big Block.
 
You can use a 1965, which has a slide yoke tail shaft on it.  It's a 1 year only.
 
There is a cable to lever shift converter made by Imperial Industries which allows you to use any 727 trans
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Jolanda on April 18, 2010, 09:58:18 AM

Hi boyfriend again..I quit understand all this, but what year is this transmission from then?
The guy who sells it says it's an 1964 727 for a pushbutton automatic, just as I need.
So is this correct?
Maybe also important to tell: I now have an smallblock pushbutton 727 in the car

Will register soon here.
Thx for the superb support!

Bingelke2010-04-18 15:02:17
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Guests on April 18, 2010, 01:29:29 PM
There is a difference in bellhousing bolt patterns between the Max Wedge 426 and the small block transmission, so this tranny, if a small bolt pattern for the small block now, a different case for the MW later. The guts are the same, it is that front bolt pattern that isn't the same, that's all. Someone else will have to check the numbers, but the tailshaft end of the tranny, with the flange, means it is a flat piece or metal with bolt holes in it vice a shaft with teeth cut into it for a slip yoke. Kind of like a plunger and case of a needle body with grooves in it.
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Steve on April 18, 2010, 01:37:07 PM
Quote from: dana44
There is a difference in bellhousing bolt patterns between the Max Wedge 426 and the small block transmission, so this tranny, if a small bolt pattern for the small block now, a different case for the MW later. The guts are the same, it is that front bolt pattern that isn't the same, that's all. Someone else will have to check the numbers, but the tailshaft end of the tranny, with the flange, means it is a flat piece or metal with bolt holes in it vice a shaft with teeth cut into it for a slip yoke. Kind of like a plunger and case of a needle body with grooves in it.


 
Sheeesh Ed. . . He no understand Enlish that good. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
Boyfriend
 
What Ed is saying, is what I said.  You need a BIG Block Transmission form a 63 or 64 Chrysler or Dodge.  The bolt up is different for the one you have.
 
I was assuming your car was modified.  That is why I mentioned the 65 Transmission
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: glen cyr on April 18, 2010, 05:47:08 PM
Here's a picture of the output flange Steve was talking about (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/26/outputflange.jpg)
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: glen cyr on April 18, 2010, 06:01:51 PM
Here's a great article on rebuilding the early 727,but as was stated,...you CAN take all the internals from the small block case and swap them to the big block case and vice-versa. That trans part # is definately a 64' as it prescedes my 65' numbers. http://www.yetanotherdomain.org/64dodge/transmission/ (http://www.yetanotherdomain.org/64dodge/transmission/) Also here is an awesome link to the early 62'-65' models and plenty of great info. I know someone makes a conversion kit for the push button style vehicles. You can put an updated and easier to find later model 727 and still retain the push button mechanism which will now have a PARK. You will have to get a newer style driveshaft and have the length modified on this and also i recall the center section also has to be changed as the yoke is also different on the centersection if i recall properly. I had a 64' Sport Fury 383 i was planning on changing over,and it was many moons ago so,i'm going on memory of 30 years ago which ain't too good right about now. Here's the 62'-65' link.   http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/techstuff.html (http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/techstuff.html) and home page http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/welcome.html (http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/welcome.html) I'm sure your boyfriend will wet his pants when he sees this web site!!!!
 
 
Glen
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Steve on April 18, 2010, 07:14:23 PM
That pushbutton conversion is made by Imperial Industries.
 
1964 was the last year for rear pumps too.  So since 1964, you can't flat tow the car long distances without taking the drive shaft out.
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Guests on April 18, 2010, 07:25:21 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: dana44
There is a difference in bellhousing bolt patterns between the Max Wedge 426 and the small block transmission, so this tranny, if a small bolt pattern for the small block now, a different case for the MW later. The guts are the same, it is that front bolt pattern that isn't the same, that's all. Someone else will have to check the numbers, but the tailshaft end of the tranny, with the flange, means it is a flat piece or metal with bolt holes in it vice a shaft with teeth cut into it for a slip yoke. Kind of like a plunger and case of a needle body with grooves in it.


 
Sheeesh Ed. . . He no understand Enlish that good. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
Boyfriend
 
What Ed is saying, is what I said.  You need a BIG Block Transmission form a 63 or 64 Chrysler or Dodge.  The bolt up is different for the one you have.
 

Hey, this gets him to at least look at what his smart girlfriend is asking, might just get him to step up and ask some questions himself. IF, if by chance he has a cool project but needs some real Mopar fanatics over here which will be sure to make her little pushbutton Max Wedge one to remember.
 
Good pictures by the way guys, it will help in the identification of needed components. I just kind of fear we have a Phord or Chebby guy with little or no clue what he is getting himself into, but hey, we can fix that, except for the cost. Unless he has a 426 engine to start with, and not to scare girlfriend away from the project, but this is one of the semi-rare and expensive builds. If the cost is too great, well, where better to find out what would be a good substitute and just as much fun to boot? 
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Dan Cluley on April 18, 2010, 10:50:39 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
 
'65 has the rear pump too. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)  
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Jolanda on April 19, 2010, 03:15:27 AM
Quote from: dana44
Hey, this gets him to at least look at what his smart girlfriend is asking, might just get him to step up and ask some questions himself. IF, if by chance he has a cool project but needs some real Mopar fanatics over here which will be sure to make her little pushbutton Max Wedge one to remember.
 
 
For first.... We are from the Netherlands. Sjak Brak showed me this forum because I have a Cranbrook and overhere the Dutch forum is more muscle-car minded. My boyfriend didn't know about this forum.....
 
For second....Yes there was a Chevy hotrod in the past. And now my daily Pontiac Chieftain and a lot of other cars. (photo's of some of the cars http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=61732039&albumId=1364922) But in our hearts we are Mopar-minded. He has also a 1969 Roadrunner. And yes he know's what he wants and what he is doing. He only didn't know what kind of transimission this was. And no, he is not scaring me away. I am a cnc-miller, so I will help hem when I can. If it is getting to expensive we sell the Roadrunner. :)
 
Pffffffff For third, please ask first if we are chevy people or so. Or what the reason was that I was asking things for him before judging us.
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: firedome on April 19, 2010, 03:30:59 AM
Ya, Mopar people can be a bit rude and condescending at times... no
excuses though.  however I don't think it was intended to be,
Bingelke.  In any event, we're here to help, hopefully, and not
just show off.

Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Jolanda on April 19, 2010, 03:39:03 AM
Quote from: firedome
Ya, Mopar people can be a bit rude and condescending at times... no excuses though.  however I don't think it was intended to be, Bingelke.  In any event, we're here to help, hopefully, and not just show off.
 
Thanks, and yes I know that you are here to help. And that on this forum probebly the most people with real knowledge about Mopars are hanging around. That was also the reason that I told Marcel to look overhere with his question. He will sign up soon!
And yes I still like this forum. :D
 
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Guests on April 19, 2010, 06:43:59 AM
Bingelke, no hatred or dislike was intended and I apologize for my sense of humor on top of it. Since sites do reach around the world, access to certain items can be difficult. I did find out a whole lot more about your boyfriend's (and your, of course) level of knowledge and capability, so believe me, I have a lot more confidence of this project actually moving forward. Sometimes there are odd requests that come in here and another site I visit where plans to build a 70 Daytona or Superbird with a Hemi four speed and dana 60 rear end comes up and next thing you know in talking about what they are wanting to build is a 15year old kid with a driver's permit and a paper route, so please understand where I was really coming from, or trying to identify possible problem areas. I have one guy I assist with a 71 Dodge Dart that has done nothing but MGs in his life, so there is a learning curve there, but at least he knows how to follow directions. I hope you can understand why I was asking questions and knowledge level, and yeah, we do tend to make fun of the other brands because we can, and yes, I tend to work on them on occasion myself, a classic is a classic no matter what the brand is. dana442010-04-19 11:44:41
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Steve on April 19, 2010, 06:49:51 AM
Bing
 
You need to read his posts to understand how he writes.  Dana is one of the kindest people I know.  Never misunderstand him.  He will let you know when he is pissed
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Guests on April 19, 2010, 06:55:50 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Bing
 

I will?(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Jolanda on April 19, 2010, 07:04:39 AM
Thanks. :)
I apologize to. Sorry I didn't understand your humor. :( I felt a bit attacked....
And no, we are not to young kids trying to build something impossible.  
And yes we still need to learn a lot about Mopars (and other cars).
And that is one of the reasons I am here. To learn a lot!

 
Love you all!!!!
Big hug. :)
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Jolanda on April 19, 2010, 07:11:34 AM
Quote from: dana44
,  and yeah, we do tend to make fun of the other brands because we can, and yes, I tend to work on them on occasion myself, a classic is a classic no matter what the brand is.
 
Ow oke, did you guys know that my love for cars started with a Ford Capri. Also known as the European Mustang. And yes I still own 2 of them. :D  One 1969 capri and one 1979.
But they are the only Fords I love.
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Steve on April 19, 2010, 07:15:33 AM
Big hug. :)
 
I'll take that Hug (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
Good. . .Now lets get to teaching you.
 
Did your boyfriend understand the transmission posts?  I see he was having difficulty
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Jolanda on April 19, 2010, 07:21:56 AM
He understands it. :D
And I am pushing him now to sign up over here.
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Marcel on April 19, 2010, 07:36:17 AM
I signed up..Under pressure of not getting food..
thanks for all the reactions!
I knew already some stuff from what was posted here.
The main question remains.
can the bellhousing and the tailshaft (numbers on the first page) be used to upgrade from a smallblock 727 pushbutton to a 727 bigblock push button?
I'm going to use a 440 as a shortblock and I will check on the yoke story
Thx folks!


Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Steve on April 19, 2010, 07:57:28 AM
Yes.  The biggest difference is the main case with the bell on it
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: firedome on April 19, 2010, 03:48:20 PM
"Under presuure of not getting food"... whoa, now THAT is harsh.... C'mon over - we don't bite!

Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Guests on April 19, 2010, 07:15:36 PM
Were we ever able to confirm the numbers on the first page were big block numbers, or small block numbers?
 
Boyfriend (I gotta get used to that), measure the distance of the two transmission bolt holes s on top of the 440 and see if it is the same, or a little more than an inch narrower on the transmission. The same is a big block, the latter is a small block, and remember, everything interchanges except this bolt pattern.
 
If someone did verify the numbers as you want them, never mind.
 
Oh, another difference between the two is the little dust cover on the front bottom of the tranny case. If not mistaken, the early 727s, as I have seen, have a small two bolt cover in the full cover, that can be removed (so the starter doesn't have to be removed) when draining the torque converter. Just a little door on the cover, two bolts to hold it on.
 
dana442010-04-20 00:30:29
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: firedome on April 20, 2010, 03:48:23 AM

"those are the only Fords I love"...  back in the day those Capris
were ALL over the place here. Extremely popular, cheap,  and good
handling car. Now you never see one. Rust, I suspect.



Myself, I sure wouldn't mind a Torino Talledega, or a Boss 302!!

For some reason Ford muscle cars are cheaper than GMs, and especially Mopars.


firedome2010-04-20 08:49:05
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Marcel on April 20, 2010, 08:17:47 PM
Hi guys..Some more numbers showed up on the transmission..Maybe There's more to discover!

G2466147

and

1636465

The G2466147 info I found on the net: '65 727 B & C body 361 383 413

Thx!



Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Guests on April 20, 2010, 08:53:23 PM
[/QUOTE]

Big block yoke type driveline 727 tranny that will fit the 426, but it shouldn't be cable shift (unless it is the last year of existence).
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Marcel on April 21, 2010, 01:05:22 AM
Ok. Still need to find out if this is the core, i'm going to rebuild.

Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Guests on April 21, 2010, 06:58:42 AM
Quote from: boyfriend
Ok. Still need to find out if this is the core, i'm going to rebuild.
Not sure what you mean by a core.
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: glen cyr on April 25, 2010, 06:43:04 PM
More info on that trans. You may have a hard time finding a converter. http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/mopp_0807_transmission_torque_converter/photo_02.html (http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/mopp_0807_transmission_torque_converter/photo_02.html)

Glen
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Jolanda on April 27, 2010, 04:50:49 AM
Tonight we are going to get a rebuild transmission from a 1964 Mopar.
 
But is it possible to make a converter by yourself???? (If it doesn't fit)
 
 
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Guests on April 27, 2010, 06:57:58 PM
It would be a matter of a tranny shop being able to cut the case in half and alter the stall by readjusting the vanes inside. There are places that do such a thing, just don't know any off the top of my head. It may simply be a matter of swapping the 19 spline nose into the existing converter, not sure.
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: glen cyr on April 27, 2010, 07:40:33 PM
If anyone knows about these transmissions and converters,it's John at http://coperacingtrans.com/ (http://coperacingtrans.com/) he's an awesome Mopar fanatic and knows his stuff on everything from a slant 6 stock tranny to an A/FX style T/Flite.His components are built to last!
 
Glen
Title: Searching for my boyfriend
Post by: Marcel on April 27, 2010, 08:50:17 PM
It's a 727 TF from an 1960 BB dart.
I think this will work out. It has the "normal" Yoke tail and is rebuild.
Will have a look at the numbers tonight.