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Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 15, 2010, 04:02:39 PM
Imps
69-73
Commando12010-04-17 07:59:06
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 15, 2010, 05:01:45 PM
Like a big ol Buick,Ford truck,and 85-newer Rams..5 on 5 bolt pattern
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Steve on April 15, 2010, 05:39:37 PM
Keeerect
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 16, 2010, 02:45:14 AM
I never knew that.
I just assumed....
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Steve on April 16, 2010, 08:05:33 AM
I guess they did that to compensate for the extra weight.  The wheels flex more on those tubs
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 16, 2010, 09:57:03 AM
What extra weight?  The Imp those years were just Chrysler C-bodies with a unique nose and tail. That's the delusion I am under anyway....
 
PLEASE: This will not be the 4,517th discussion on whether 69-73 Imps were C-bodies or not. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Jacques on April 16, 2010, 01:23:48 PM

Quote from: Commando1
What extra weight?
There's about 1400lbs weight difference between my 73 Imperial and 71 Sport Fury, and a /6 plain jane plymmie is probably even lighter.

I think only a fully loaded T&C or NYB can come close to the Imperial weight. The front frame of the Imperial is much heavier, as are the bumpers. Hood, front fenders, torsion bars, etc. weer bigger than C-parts, thus heavier. Also much more sound deadening everywhere. So that adds up quickly.

But why are you asking all those questions about Imperials? Got something to tell us (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley38.gif)

Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 16, 2010, 03:33:03 PM
Not really.  It started with a question asked on Moparts and I was pizzed that some E-body guy knew a fact about C-bodies that I didn't. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)  OK. Imps got 5x5.  OK.
Can I now assume you couldn't get Road Wheels on Imps since I have never heard of Road Wheels with a 5" pattern?
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 16, 2010, 06:21:14 PM
Beeyooick Road wheels fit like a glove.
Derby guys use them.
The factory Imp wheels are very unique and can fetch a small fortune in good shape.
Designed for disc brakes and full wheel covers,they do not have the 'dimples' for dog dish hubcaps.
But the wheels are easier to get compared to the rotors and drums...just ask Bob or Sjak!!
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 17, 2010, 02:57:22 AM
I'm learnin sumtin new every day....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Steve on April 17, 2010, 08:18:01 AM
Quote from: Commando1
Not really.  It started with a question asked on Moparts and I was pizzed that some E-body guy knew a fact about C-bodies that I didn't. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)  OK. Imps got 5x5.  OK.
 
So what does a beer can driver know about a Sherman tank that we don't?
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 17, 2010, 10:52:49 AM
WTF?
 
Steve, you're really out there sometimes...  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Jacques on April 17, 2010, 11:10:22 AM

[/QUOTE]To the rotor-issue, we found a solution :)

Will post pics once the car is rolling.

Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 17, 2010, 11:21:52 AM
Quote from: Sjak Brak
To the rotor-issue, we found a solution :)
It's always the fer-ners that come up something that will work.  I swear, they could retrofit an entire 52 Plymouth with nothing but Trabants and Land Rovers parts. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
No wonder America is in the decline....
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Jacques on April 17, 2010, 01:16:58 PM
Actually, in your own defence, its entirely made of Chrysler-parts. The idea was forged while I found out no new rotors are available for my 73. After lots of brainstorming in Holland we figured something out. However, the car was sold before I could bring my idea to a machine shop over here. Imperiyad & the guys from his shop in Hungary are working it out. They are halfway now, and I saw the results yesterday. Looks very promising.

But back on-topic, what Imperial did you buy (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) 

(and did you know the 67-68 Imps also had the 5*5 bolt pattern, the 66&earlier earlier cars had 5*5.5, and the 74-75s were actually real C-bodies with 5*4.5)

Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 17, 2010, 03:34:36 PM
Thank you for referring to the 74 and later cars as "real C-bodies"...
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Ralph on July 31, 2010, 05:09:34 PM
Do you have an update on this rotor swap?

Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: firedome on August 01, 2010, 05:08:12 AM
Be good to disseminate the info on the "Sjak-Hungarian Solution" to the
Imp rotor problem for all to know... sounds like it involves machine
work to existing available parts?

Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Jacques on August 02, 2010, 10:17:14 PM
Indeed, some machining on 73 Chrysler rotors. Riyad will probably post some pics soon. During my last visit in Hungary, the rotors were completely ready, but since the car is undergoing a full resto, they are not tested yet...
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: firedome on August 03, 2010, 04:05:50 AM
I continue to amazed at the differences between Imps of this era 69-73
and similar year NY'ers... when I had my 69 Imp LeBaron 4 dr hdtp I
just assumed it was a gussied up NYer, it didn't seem all that
different from my 72 T & C, but apparently the differences ran deep
when it came to radiators, brakes, suspension, insulation, body mounts,
even frame and sheet metal supports?  The Imp was FAR quieter and
rode nicer than the 72, in any event, but I aways figgered it was just
more sound padding and better shocks.

Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Rich on August 03, 2010, 11:39:39 AM

 I have shied away from old Imperials because of the unavailability of parts-which is too bad, because they are impressive automobiles. I'm wondering if anyone has ever tried using rotors from a C body on them and just buying new wheels that use a 4.5" bolt circle? Is it that the spindles are too different to allow the use of these rotors, because that may be able to be fixed by turning them down in a lathe. It will be interesting to see what Sjak Brak has come up with.
krautmaster2010-08-03 16:40:25
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Ralph on August 03, 2010, 04:41:21 PM
I was thinking the same thing could you use new yorker rotors and also change the rear axles and drums to the 4.5 setup?

Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: azblackhemi on August 03, 2010, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: Commando1
Not really.  It started with a question asked on Moparts and I was pizzed that some E-body guy knew a fact about C-bodies that I didn't. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)  OK. Imps got 5x5.  OK.
Stan, I'm begining to think you are obsessed about Road Wheels. LOL! Here's a quick fix for you.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/30/P2200004.JPG)
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Jacques on August 03, 2010, 10:06:33 PM
Quote from: krautmaster
 I have shied away from old Imperials because of the unavailability of parts-which is too bad
well really there's no need to NOT buy an Imperial if its in decent condition. Except for the rotors, I found everything I needed, and the rotors could be made.
 
Sjak Brak2010-08-04 03:07:55
Title: 69-73 Imp differences from the rest
Post by: Stan Paralikis on August 04, 2010, 02:04:14 AM
Quote from: azblackhemi
 Stan, I'm begining to think you are obsessed about Road Wheels. LOL! Here's a quick fix for you.
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)