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Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 07, 2010, 08:40:04 PM
Well I've been looking or a "Hot Rod" candidate for some time now. I
originally wanted to go with a late 20's early 30's mopar but after
many shows and talking to owners and checking out cars I decided that
my 6'8" and 275lb body just wouldn't be happy in one of those cars.



I had come across the 46-48 Desoto's before and was instantly drawn to
grill and body styling. So I decided after looking at a couple similar
cars, the Dodge and Plymouth styling was nice but didn't work for me.
So I decided I would set my sites on a 46-48 Desoto.



Now the cars came in several different body styles, 2 and 4 dr, sedan
and coupe and then you could get a 7 pass limo and a convertible. After
much looking and searching I decided that the 2dr coupes didn't work
for me.



Here's a 2dr coupe...



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/47desoto1.jpg)



I liked the styling of the 4dr sedan but the 4dr wasn't working for me either.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/IMG_0377-vi.jpg)



I finally came across a pic of a 2dr sedan, and I instantly feel in love. I now knew what I had to have.



Here's the pic I came across....



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/droppeddesoto46.jpg)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 07, 2010, 08:40:46 PM
So I put out feelers on-line, and combed through the craigslists along
the west coast and eventually I was contacted by a few guys with 2dr
sedans.



Now the 2dr sedan was a very small production compared to the 4dr sedan
and 2dr coupes. From what I have found there were only about 12, 750
units made for 4 years of production. So they are a bit rare.



Now eventually I decided on one particular car from Southern
California. Lots of info and pics later I decied to go with this car.
And as of right now I have sent a deposit to hold the car and I'm
waiting on the title and other papers work.



So here he is...Fernando.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PB070111.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PB070109.jpg)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 07, 2010, 08:41:25 PM
Now the story of Fernando goes like this, so far always...



The fellow I'm getting the car from was looking for the super rare
46-48 Desoto convertible. He eventually found one up in Montana, BUT,
he had to buy a "lot" of cars, five to be exact, to get the one
convertible he wanted. The lot consisted of the convertible, the 2dr
sedan and three 4dr sedans.



He then had to transport them all to southern California. He put the 2
dr sedan in the garage because it was the most complete of the "parts"
cars and was virtually rust free. He said it was just too nice a car to
part out so when he came across my want ad on craigslist he decided to
contact me.



Now I don't have the whole story from him yet onthe history of this car
but from what he has said it was an original San Fransisco car and when
the original owner passed away it went through a couple of the brothers
before it ended up on a farm in Montana. It sat outside for almost 20
years.



The car is rough inside, bu tit only needs a few small patches, mainly
the bottom of the spare tire well and a couple spots on the floor
boards.



The only major problem is the motor. These cars ran a flathead 6 in
them. And when he go the car the head was loose. He never really
checked anything since the cars was not his main interest. It wan't
unitl he started taking detailed pics for me thathe discovered the
problem with the motor.



Here's the motor as it looked when he got it.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/P1050025.jpg)



Now he decided to pop off the head...and...



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/P1050018.jpg)



Seems to be missing one or two things.(http://www.moparnuts.com/forums/images/smilies/eusa_doh.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 07, 2010, 08:42:02 PM
Now Chrysler used the long 25" Flathead six in the Chrysler's and
Desoto's. But the US Plymouth's and Dodges got the 23" Flathead. The
Canadian Dodge, Plymouth, Chrysler and Desoto's all got the 25"
Flathead. The only difference was the Cu. in on the dodge and Plymouth.



Right now I'm talking with a couple guys locally who have running
motors. One guy has a complete, all accessories and manual 3 speed
trans for sale, about $1000.



Here are a couple pics...



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/forsale132.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/forsale135.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/forsale137.jpg)



I'm leaning towards this one since it's all rebuilt with only a hand
full of miles. They redid the motor and tranny, new clutch and
everything, then decided to street rod it with a V8 and stuff. This
motor also has an added exhaust flange to run dual exhaust.



Another fellow is asking $500 for just a motor, was rebuilt 30K miles ago and has a cracked manifold.



I'm waiting on one other fellow who pulled a complete driveline from a car to do the street rod thing again.



We'll see what happens.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 07, 2010, 08:52:26 PM
Now my vision for Fernando was/is this.

I want to get it running and driving and safetied so I can get it registered and insured in my province.  Once that's done I will probably drive it and enjoy it until I can gather the parts for the work I want to do.

I plan on dropping it several inches, 4-6 to be exact.  Fatman has drop spindles and then some shorter springs will bring the front down, then in the back I'll get 2" dropped springs and then lowering blocks? 

I want to run wide whites with full wheel covers for now and eventually I'd like to have artillery style rims. 

I had originally thought to rebuild and drop my 331 Hemi into the car but after much thinking and research I think, for now, I'm going to stay with the Flathead six.  I will probably just get some go quick goodies for it.  Multi carb intake, split exhaust manifolds or headers, a high compression head and maybe and HEI dizzy. 

Tranny I plan on going with ma' Mopars A833 OD and then a 8 3/4 rear.  With lowering the front end I'll also have to run a disc brake conversion since the drop spindles will cause the drums to interfere with things in the front end.

Have the interior redone and then just clean up and redo things as I enjoy the car.


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 08, 2010, 01:20:22 AM
Brian,talk to Steve.
He was doing up some go fast goodies for his 5=50 project until he went with the 318.
Too bad you did not grab Fernando before winter...Steve droppedd off a flatheadd here in my town.It was a running engine.
 
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 08, 2010, 01:49:26 AM
So here he is...Fernando. [/QUOTE]
I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You do not see many of those.  Great choice.
If you have a line on any 3 or 5 window coupes, lemme know.  Especially a business coupe.  I love those.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on February 08, 2010, 06:13:32 AM
Wow
 
Better look for a pick up frame if you are planning on going V8
 
There's a guy in Kingston that has my 231 who hasn't paid for it yet. . . .
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 08, 2010, 06:18:54 AM

One of our long time cruisers has that rare Desoto convertible with a GMC 6 cylinder transplanted into it......very reliable and more power than the flattie. I want to put my 180hp Dakota Magnum V6/A500 auto trans into something like that (with the full wiring harness from the truck)....I really want a 49-50 Dodge Wayfarer for the project. I'll make it a convertible if it isn't already (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

That Desoto is crying out for a Maggy V8 swap!

BTW.... 6'8", 275lbs? Remind me to never pi$$ off Brian! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

stitcherbob2010-02-08 11:19:58
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 08, 2010, 06:45:51 AM
Here's a guy who dropped am SB into his '51 Fastback:
 
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=441991 (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=441991)
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/32/!Bb-NvpgB2k~$KGrHqQH-EYEquVLEsYUBKyec7N4Ig~~_12.jpg)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 08, 2010, 07:30:16 AM
Steve do you still have that dual carb manifold?  Or did it go with the flatty when you gave it away for free....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)



Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 08, 2010, 07:36:45 AM
Thanks for the thoughts and comments guys.

I want to do something different with the car.  That was why I was thinking 331 Hemi.  But I have really started to like the thought of running the Flathead six. 

I know I won't get super performance out of it but that's not what I'm after.  I just want a nice cruiser that is kind of period correct as such.  The faltty will be something different in a sea of V8's and such.  And if I have a multi carb intake and split exhaust and an aluminum head, it will just add to the "well that's different" factor.

I'm not in a hurry to get where I'm going and even thought I'll be lucky to see 150HP out of any flatty I build I don't really care.  The 833OD will help on the highway and as long as I can flow with traffic that's all I care about.

Should be a fun project.


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: steve sclafani on February 08, 2010, 07:52:19 AM
Brian,
 
Sounds like a real sweet project. I have a friend who is also in the National Desoto Club with a 48 2 door sedan. It is one very cool look. He has the Fluidrive trans which is kinda unforgiving.
I am currently a member of the Desoto Club. Their members are really helpful with information. You can join the Messageboard without being a member, and also access the want ads of their journal. You may be able to find some of the parts you seek.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/281/IMG_0278.JPG)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: steve sclafani on February 08, 2010, 07:53:45 AM


So...Steve
 
When do I become a C-Body????
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 08, 2010, 10:23:04 AM
Keep posting..

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on February 08, 2010, 10:59:19 AM
[/QUOTE]

I never had a manifold.  I did have a guy that was going to make one for me.
 
I have some very expensive carburators for that too.
 
He's on Jelopy Journal.  I have his user name saved
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on February 08, 2010, 11:00:44 AM
Quote from: FIN_NV
Brian,
 
Sounds like a real sweet project. I have a friend who is also in the National Desoto Club with a 48 2 door sedan. It is one very cool look. He has the Fluidrive trans which is kinda unforgiving.


You are not authorized to open hoods. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 08, 2010, 02:14:00 PM

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/10/IMG_5654d.JPG)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: firedome on February 08, 2010, 03:27:08 PM

What a Great Find! ... sometimes they find you, eh?  Gotta love
that flattie, its a great engine...  how about a McCulloch-Judson
supercharger?!!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Oh, and shouldn't that be Hernando ... aka the explorer: Hernando DeSoto?(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

firedome2010-02-08 20:29:08
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 08, 2010, 05:50:49 PM

Quote from: firedome
What a Great Find! ... sometimes they find you, eh?  Gotta love
that flattie, its a great engine...  how about a McCulloch-Judson
supercharger?!!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Oh, and shouldn't that be Hernando ... aka the explorer: Hernando DeSoto?(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)


Nope this ones Fernando...his sea sick cousin....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 08, 2010, 05:53:21 PM

Quote from: FIN_NV
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/281/IMG_0278.JPG)

Wow what a beauty your friend has there.  Do you have any more pics you could send me...for inspiration.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

My e-mails public in my profile.





Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 08, 2010, 05:59:41 PM

Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: thrashingcows
Steve do you still have that dual carb manifold? 


I never had a manifold.  I did have a guy that was going to make one for me.
 
I have some very expensive carburators for that too.
 

I thought I remember you looking at the summit one from Offy? 

For $230 it's not a bad price.  Probably the surfaces will be truer then an old original one.

What carbs do you have?  The Holley webers?

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on February 08, 2010, 06:05:57 PM
That one is for the 23" motor.  I thought you said you have a 25"
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on February 08, 2010, 06:07:40 PM
Quote from: FIN_NV
  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/281/IMG_0278.JPG)

Guys
 
That's Stephen Scarfani, aka:  FIN_NV, lifting the hood.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 08, 2010, 07:09:02 PM

Quote from: POLARACO
That one is for the 23" motor.  I thought you said you have a 25"

Your right I didn't even check, I just assumed I could get one for the 25" flatty as well.

(Surfs over to summit to see if I can get one...)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: steve sclafani on February 09, 2010, 04:09:31 AM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/281/IMG_0273.JPG)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: steve sclafani on February 10, 2010, 08:48:55 AM
Here's another shot of the 48.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/281/Bobs_48.JPG)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 10, 2010, 09:42:23 AM
FIN_NV....Thanks for the pics...That is a Beauty of a car!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)



Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 10, 2010, 09:43:44 AM
Well I now have a motor and tranny!!



The two motors locally didn't pan out. One I would have had to pull
myself and it had cracked intake and exhaust manifolds. The other
turned out to be the shorter 23" flathead motor.



So I e-mailed the guy and told him I'd take the motor and tranny. And
just because it never hurts to ask, I asked him if he was firm on the
price? And then asked if he would consider $850...well he took my
offer!!(http://www.moparnuts.com/forums/images/smilies/giggedy.gif)



So in 2 weeks I'm going up to get it.  5 hour drive one way though.  Should be a fun trip!


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: steve sclafani on February 10, 2010, 09:50:25 AM
My friend saved his 48 from the salvage yard. He's notorously  thrifty. He did most of the work himself. The engine and trans were original, though he did have some problems with the cooling system.
 
If you like I can put you in touvh with him. I'm sure he could answer most of your questions.
 
He was interested if your car was a Custom or a Delux.
 
Steve
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on February 10, 2010, 11:06:24 AM
Sounds like me.  I spent more on tools the last 3 years so I could do the job myself than I have on cars.
 
Except for a few. . .  I can't trust anyone anymore to do a decent job. 
 
Bob, you are in the Few.  Just get it done.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 10, 2010, 04:40:09 PM

Quote from: POLARACO
Sounds like me.  I spent more on tools the last 3 years so I could do the job myself than I have on cars.
 
Except for a few. . .  I can't trust anyone anymore to do a decent job. 
 

Sounds like I have the same affliction.  I been buying tools too, sure I'll need more though.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 10, 2010, 04:46:03 PM

Quote from: FIN_NV
My friend saved his 48 from the salvage yard. He's notorously  thrifty. He did most of the work himself. The engine and trans were original, though he did have some problems with the cooling system.
 
If you like I can put you in touvh with him. I'm sure he could answer most of your questions.
 
He was interested if your car was a Custom or a Delux.
 

Steve...sure pass on my e-mail to your friend.  Would love to have someone to talk to who has restified a car just like mine.  Since I'm sure there will be certain things specific to this body style.

brian hansen bc @ shaw.ca (remove spaces)

Fernando is a mix?  It has "custom" emblems on the side of the hood, but a "Deluxe" steering wheel.



Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on February 10, 2010, 04:46:27 PM
There's always something you don't have. . .   But the old school training, improvising, comes to play many times.  Like the reversed socket.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 12, 2010, 06:21:57 PM

Quote from: POLARACO
There's always something you don't have. . .   But the old school training, improvising, comes to play many times.  Like the reversed socket.

I love picking up "Seasoned" knowledge. 

Like I just picked up how to make cheap thread chasers...take a nut, or bolt that fits the thread you want to clean, then cut some small groves in the thread, about 1/8" deep and at least two.  Then thread away....cheap and easy.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 13, 2010, 03:04:40 AM
Quote from: thrashingcows
...take a nut, or bolt that fits the thread you want to clean, then cut some small groves in the thread, about 1/8" deep and at least two.  Then thread away....
Gawd, I love this place.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on February 13, 2010, 05:28:39 AM
Yep. . .I threw mine out when I got taps and dies.
 
I'm chasing all the holes on the 5.9 right now.  You'd be amazed at waht comes out of them.
 
There must have been a worn out tap on the machine.  Random holes are giving me metal
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 22, 2010, 08:02:14 AM


         Well my new motor and tranny are home!!!



A buddy and me left yesterday morning at 6:30am and drove the 4 hours one
way to arrive at the guys house to pick up the motor, tranny and stuff.



Had a nice chat with the guy, go to look at their cars, a 41 dodge
convertible (restored to original), 31 Model A (restored to original),
47 Plymouth (now hot rodded), and a early 70's Lincoln Continental 2dr
with only 9000 original miles!!



Loaded up the motor and tranny, stopped for some lunch and was back
home by 3:30pm. But the tranny in my friends truck didn't do so well.
97 dodge ram Ext. cab, 4x4, 360/auto. By the time we got back home he
had no 3rd gear or OD!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)








 

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 22, 2010, 08:02:41 AM
Here are a few pics...



Home and un-strapping the motor.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT1328.jpg)



Motor on hoist.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT1332.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT1334.jpg)



Didn't think that the oil bath air cleaner would blow out fluid from
all the air being driven down the aircleaner, carb and intake. Made a
bit of a mess but shouldn't have hurt anything.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 22, 2010, 08:03:07 AM
Took a couple of the dual exhaust modification.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT1335.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT1336.jpg)



They modified and welded the manifold up themselves, it may not be
perfect but they had been running it in the car with no problems.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 22, 2010, 08:03:34 AM
Pic of the original manual 3 speed next to one of my 833OD trannies.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT1330.jpg)



The guy also included a nice uncracked set of intake and exhaust manifolds.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT1340.jpg)



He also found a set of gaskets for the old flathead as well.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT1337.jpg)



So now I wait for Fernando to arrive home so I can get to work on him.


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on February 22, 2010, 09:00:13 AM
Are you wanting to have a dual carb manifold made?  It was pretty reasonable. . . .  I'll get the guys info for you.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on February 22, 2010, 09:17:45 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Are you wanting to have a dual carb manifold made?  It was pretty reasonable. . . .  I'll get the guys info for you.

Here's one for you. Has anyone taken the time to figure out how to switch intake to exhaust ports to have six individual runners to intake and three for exhaust? It requires a cam recut switching intake and exhaust lobes (I think a change of sparkplug firing order would do the same trick), and then making intake and exhaust manifolds to take care of the carb/exhaust flow. In researching the valve sizes, the exhaust DeSoto valves are the same size as the intake Dodge flathead 6 valves, so the offset of having individual intake ports and the smaller valve compared to a slightly larger valve and a shared port would probably offset well enough to prevent the valve size from being a problem (even if bigger is better).
 
The 833OD would probably be fine behind a flat six, not much power to worry about messing up that aluminum case, saw an article one time about a countershaft through the case tends to oval out and start leaking if too much is thrown at it, there are repair bushings to fix the issue.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 22, 2010, 02:03:54 PM
once the Hemi came out, why bother further developing the anemic flat 6?

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on June 18, 2010, 10:02:32 PM
Well the car is officially mine...paper work arrived last week.  Now it's work out a time to move the car from Southern Cali to Portland OR.




Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: 300rag on June 19, 2010, 04:54:36 AM
Better get RAE done. It's time to pick up a car!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on June 19, 2010, 09:12:22 AM
Congrats Bri
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 19, 2010, 10:03:39 AM
Roadtrip with Bri and RAE.
Take lots of pics.Beautiful country down there.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on June 19, 2010, 02:41:30 PM
I had thought of using RAE for the haul, but just don't have the time, especially with the kids getting out of school next week.  Plus I don't think I could do it myself for any cheaper then the quotes I've gotten so far. 

I'm still going to go pick Fernando up in Portland, will give me an excuse to visit a couple friends down there.  They have already said it's OK for the car to be dropped off at their house.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on November 15, 2010, 12:04:37 PM
Here's a copy of the post I made in my truck thread...relevant to the Desoto as well....

Thought I'd share some pics and info on how things went....



Well I left Saturday morning at 9am to go get my 48 Desoto from 69.5 in
Tigard  OR.   Went down bare, no trailer, took me about 6 hours to get
there. Went 400 miles on 15 gallons...that's 26.6 mpg. (http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/images/smilies/smile.gif)



Had a good visit with 69.5 and Fishy...great guys BTW!!!



Picked up the U-Haul trailer Sunday morning and loaded up the old 48
Desoto....didn`t think 69`s 500lb electric winch would get the car onto
the trailer...but with a little manual assistance from 69 and myself it
did it!!!!(http://www.moparnuts.com/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif)



Hear I am ready to roll....



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/84%20Crewcab/HPIM0888.jpg)



Truck hauled well.   Here's the truck at the first rest area I stopped at.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/84%20Crewcab/HPIM0894.jpg)



Took me a little over 8 hours to get to Belingham WA, with a couple
major highway slow downs due to accidents...WA state and rain....who
knew they couldn't drive in that weather...(http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/images/smilies/wink.gif)



Here's where I slept last night....Not the most comfortable sleep for a
 guy my size, but good enough to save me another $75 for a hotel room.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/84%20Crewcab/HPIM0909.jpg)



I arrived at the Canada/USA border at 8 am, got the US paper work taken
 care of in a matter of minutes...the Canadians Customs...well I was
there for over 90 minutes and got the royal run around...(http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/images/smilies/new1/madani.gif)



Here's one at the Canadian customs...



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/84%20Crewcab/HPIM0913.jpg)



And finally the Desoto is at it's new home.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/84%20Crewcab/HPIM0918.jpg)



I was impressed at how well the truck did, the only thing that went
wrong was the clutch fan seized solid, so it's pulling a begeezes amount
  of air and making a heck of a noise at RPM's over 1500.  I have a new
 clutch on the way.  So all in all a good trip and I'm very happy with
the way old RAE performed.



Was nice to put faces, and real personalities to the guys we see on the
board...thanks again guys, I appreciate everything you did for me!! (http://www.moparnuts.com/forums/images/smilies/2thumbs.gif)



I haven't fuel up, but think I used about the same amount of fuel coming
 back, 15 gallons, and went 350 miles...so pulling it got 23 mpg!!  Not
bad, a 750 mile trip on about 30 gallons of diesel!!!(http://www.moparnuts.com/forums/images/smilies/giggedy.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on November 15, 2010, 12:05:08 PM
Well been working on getting Fernando cleaned up a bit.  Got the trunk cleaned up some, popped open the gas tank, the sending unit is MIA, and I have about 2-3" of sand and rust in the tank.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/HPIM0939.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/HPIM0962.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/HPIM0981.jpg)

Mostly all cleaned up...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/HPIM0988.jpg)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on November 15, 2010, 12:05:40 PM
I have to gut anything with fabric on it since there is mold everywhere and it smells bad.  So pulled the pass. side door panel.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/HPIM1036.jpg)

And found this inside the door....any idea what it is?  Everything seems to work OK.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/HPIM1058.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/HPIM1059.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/HPIM1060.jpg)

And the 5 lbs of dirt and crud from the bottom of the door!!:eek:

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/HPIM1064.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/HPIM1082.jpg)

I assume that the rubber strip along the bottom of the door, under the door panel, was added by a previous owner?

Sure I'll have more questions and gems as it comes apart further.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: firedome on November 15, 2010, 02:59:28 PM
A roller, part of your window regulators?  I've been dealing with those lately on the F3.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on November 15, 2010, 03:38:18 PM

Quote from: firedome
A roller, part of your window regulators?  I've been dealing with those lately on the F3.

That was my thought too...but the window seems to go up and down fine.  Guess I'll compare when I get the drivers door apart.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on January 19, 2011, 09:35:59 AM
Well spent a few hours last night pulling the seats and the old ratty
carpet out of Fernando to see what my floor were like.  Only had carpet
in the rear part of the car, had a beat up old rubber floor mat for the
front.



Here are a few pics...



After seats and front mat was removed....



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4218.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4226.jpg)



And after....



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4229.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4232.jpg)



I ended up with about a 5 gallon pail of undercoating, dust, dirt and
debris.  And I still have to scrape the rest of the undercoating off.


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on January 19, 2011, 09:36:34 AM
As for rust, there were only a few pin holes here and there and one section that will need to be replaced.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4233.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4234.jpg)



Not bad considering.  With that patch in the floor, and the small
section at the bottom of the spare tire well, that is about it for rust
out on the car!!  Gotta love car from dry states!!(http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)



Also the holes in the floor look very random.  Most look like they were
"Punched" through, not drilled.  Were the floors not drilled, or punched
 when manufactured, or was this something that was added later?


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on January 19, 2011, 09:37:02 AM
Here are a few treasures I found while cleaning.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4235.jpg)



A threaded chrome drawer knob? couple buttons, some bobby pins, a red
plastic cap (Made in Hong Kong) a 30/30 bullet, a ball bearing, a value
save sticker, cigarette or maybe a bandaid wrapper? and a movie ticket.
 The ticket is very hard to make out, but I can see "Missoula" on one
side, then "Tacoma" on the other.  I can also make out "Admit One".



Kind of neat I think.


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on January 19, 2011, 09:42:51 AM
Not much there to deal with I guess.  Car was pretty clean as you said.
 
No hundreds?
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: steve sclafani on January 19, 2011, 11:04:26 AM
Brian, Looks like you got a nice one there. Sorry I lost track of this thread. I forwarded your E=Mail address  to my Friend Bob in Maryland, owner of that good lookin' red 48 I posted.
 
Enjoy your new toy,
Steve
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on January 19, 2011, 11:58:12 AM
Good thing sheet metal is pretty cheap.  You have plenty to do before you get into the real money.
 
Sorry about that puller. . . .   I've been bogged down here with work and you saw the nightmare I had last night.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on January 19, 2011, 11:58:55 AM

Quote from: FIN_NV
Brian, Looks like you got a nice one there. Sorry I lost track of this thread. I forwarded your E=Mail address  to my Friend Bob in Maryland, owner of that good lookin' red 48 I posted.
 
Enjoy your new toy,

Thanks Steve.  Your friends red 2dr sedan is a beauty!!  Mine needs lots of mechanical, and cosmetic work, but aint gonna cost me much in metal work.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 07, 2011, 08:21:50 PM
I was taking a break from pulling the seats apart today and was hanging in the engine bay looking around when I noticed something that didn't look right.  

Now when I got Fernando it's motor was missing the pistons and rods, and no oil pan.  I assumed that it had spun a rod and repairs were started and then the repairs got abandoned and the car pushed out in the field.

Well I now know it was much worse then a spun bearing.....

Notice the area below the generator mount, the oil pan ail area...something is missing....:rolleyes:

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4432.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4433.jpg)

And from underneath....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4434.jpg)

Looks like #1 rod took out the lower part of the block.  I wonder what they were doing to cause this.:D  

I had hopes of rebuilding the 251 and then re-installing it one day...but I guess it's a boat anchor now.:p  Oh well I'll keep my eyes open for a 265 then.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 07, 2011, 08:34:16 PM
After I got the removable floor pan section out last week I also pulled the MC for a clean up and rebuild.



Here are a few before pics...



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4369.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4370.jpg)



And 4 pounds of crud....



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4374.jpg)





And those pinch clips (not sure if that's what they are called) Are a
bit of a pain to remove....at least until you figure out an easy way to
do it.



I used the screw driver on the side opposite to the open pinch end, then
 hammered it down and out.  Took a few whacks to get a bite, but once it
 bit it only took a couple more hits to get it off.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4380.jpg)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 07, 2011, 08:35:01 PM
And today I cleaned up the parts on the wire wheel, and honed out the
MC.  Everything looks great, and should go back together nicely.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4448.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4449.jpg)



Will clean and paint everything before re-assembly.  Should be the nicest pieces on the car so far.....(http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/images/smilies/wink.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on February 07, 2011, 08:57:57 PM
Wow. Forged steel pedals, bronze bushings with grease fittings, machined surfaces, who would have thought such an antequated piece of art would have been built so well. And they say the old stuff is obsolete.

Great cleaning up and pictures, love seeing the quality of the past.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Jason Goldsack on February 08, 2011, 03:53:57 AM
I agree.. and it was all done from drawing and no computers..

Those people were artists to say the least..


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 08, 2011, 07:32:28 AM

Quote from: 1965Windsor361
I agree.. and it was all done from drawing and no computers..

Those people were artists to say the least..


I agree...there was a lot more skill, dedication, pride and artistry put into these cars.  I'm just blown away at the over engineering that was put into the car.  After dealing with the cars from the late 60's on up to today, I sure can see the differences. 

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: firedome on February 08, 2011, 07:43:03 AM
They were not only built to last, but to be serviced!...true economy.

Some of the 304/40s Packards I've messed with are amazing that way.

Last forever if you take care of it.



Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 08, 2011, 10:26:07 AM

Quote from: firedome
They were not only built to last, but to be serviced!...true economy.



Last forever if you take care of it.



A very true statement!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on February 08, 2011, 01:13:47 PM
And you didn't need a tool box full of special tools
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 08, 2011, 01:30:07 PM

Quote from: POLARACO
And you didn't need a tool box full of special tools

Except for one Eh...it's in the mail....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 14, 2011, 10:59:37 AM
Got everything painted and reassembled over the weekend.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4463.jpg)



And I used a couple 5/8 snap rings instead of the old pinch washer.  I
used two per side since they grove was quite thick.  Not bad, but wish
they had been a bit bigger in out side diameter, but they should still
work fine.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4466.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4467.jpg)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 14, 2011, 11:00:02 AM
And the MC and pedal assemblies reassembled...



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4472.jpg)



And re-installed in ol' Fernando....nicest part on the whole car right now....(http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4475.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4476.jpg)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on February 14, 2011, 12:43:14 PM
That's a real beauty. Some day you will get the rest of everything to look the same, but for now, functionality is important.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 14, 2011, 02:37:47 PM

Quote from: dana44
That's a real beauty. Some day you will get the rest of everything to look the same, but for now, functionality is important.

Yeah wish I could spend the time and money to do everything to the same standards...but I want to get it running and driving first.  Plus if I do it all now I'll be bored when I retire.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: azblackhemi on February 14, 2011, 04:47:13 PM
Good start Brian. Do you have to take the floor panel off everytime you fill the master cylinder?
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on February 14, 2011, 05:10:25 PM
[/QUOTE]
I know exactly what you mean, and both ways, get the bugs shaken out first, and have something to do later, works for me.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 14, 2011, 05:56:37 PM

Quote from: azblackhemi
Good start Brian. Do you have to take the floor panel off everytime you fill the master cylinder?

No there's a small removable panel to access the MC.  But I will have to pull up the carpet...ohh wait I don't have any....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Jason Goldsack on February 15, 2011, 02:00:10 AM

Did they not have proportioning valves for the brakes back then?
1965Windsor3612011-02-15 07:00:27
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 15, 2011, 07:30:25 AM

Quote from: 1965Windsor361
Did they not have proportioning valves for the brakes back then?

Nope, just straight lines into the drums.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on February 15, 2011, 09:16:27 AM
Prop valves were only used in dual masters Jason.  They are supposed to balance the fronts to the rears.  Aledgedly, they are also supposed to stop you in the event of a failure on one side.  But I can't say that worked too well
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 21, 2011, 08:04:08 PM
I decided after installing my nice new, rebuilt MC and pedal assemblies I
 would try and bleed the lines running out front.  Well after much
pumping I was not getting any pedal pressure and no fluid out of the MC
to the lines.



So reluctantly I pulled everything out again.  I drained the fluid...there goes my nice paint job...(http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/images/smilies/frown.gif)
  And disassembled everything looking for something obvious. Thought I
might have installed one of the cups backwards....nope everything looked
 good.  So re-assembled and tried bleeding it on the bench....still no
fluid coming out.



So by now I'm very angry/frustrated/depressed...so decide to come to the P15-D24
 board and search through the archives for an answer to my problem.
After some time I finally came across this thread....



http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_...ad.php?t=20526 (http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/showthread.php?t=20526)



This picture posted by LuckyDevil is what helped me out....



(http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/attachmentattachmentid=16603&d=1268249621)



Turns out I neglected to install item "G".  After I did this everything started working properly!! (http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)



I only have one thing to add about that picture.  Everything is correct
except for cup "C"...it actually goes between "D" and "E"....other then
that the picture was a life saver.



So now I have to strip and repaint all my parts I just finished repainting...since the brake fluid sure made a mess of things.(http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/images/smilies/redface.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 21, 2011, 08:06:42 PM




For the last couple months I've been searching for the "right" back up
light for ol' Fernando.  I've scoured E-bay looking at different lights
from all mopar cars and trucks.  But nothing seemed "Right" to me.  Most
 were round and with the square, boxy tail lights and brake light, they
just didn't seem to work for me.



Well one night a couple weeks ago I was rummaging through the archives on the P15-D24 board  and came across a "Back up lights" thread from 2007.  And Mr Tim
Adams had posted a pic of his car with these rectangular back up lights.


http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/showthread.php?t=4127 (http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/showthread.php?t=4127)



As soon as I saw those I knew those were the ones for my car.  A couple posts down he then said where he got them from....




   Quote:





               Originally Posted by Tim Adams


            ...these are Hella brand...the rear
 housing is that of the 356 Porsche, these were found mounted on a
Renault R10 I understand...slightly different than the VW series. Due to
 their shape and size I found them more in line with the theme of the
rear lights..
thrashingcows2011-02-22 01:12:48
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 21, 2011, 08:13:14 PM
So here are a couple pics. Mine are from a VW bus, but are still Hella
glass lenses, which I like since all other lenses are glass, and the
trim is stainless.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4513.jpg)



And mocked up on the car.  Used a couple magnets to hold it in place.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4517.jpg)



I think they will work, and look great.(http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on February 21, 2011, 08:33:13 PM
Outstanding on both accounts, and the backup lights look like they belong there.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Jason Goldsack on February 22, 2011, 03:10:45 AM
Looks great... Looks factory to me..

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 12, 2011, 08:34:09 PM
Well the Saga continues.  I haven't had a lot of time to work on things,
 been doing home reno's.  But I did manage to get the wheel cylinders
rebuilt on the front of the car.



Here are some before pics...



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4492.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4505.jpg)



Couldn't figure out how to get the pistons out of the bores.  I soaked
them for a couple days in PB Blaster and they moved "in" but wouldn't
pop out.  Then I had a thought...compressed air!  That did the trick....(http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/images/smilies/wink.gif)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4507.jpg)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 12, 2011, 08:36:36 PM
I didn't initially realize that the pistons were a two piece unit.  Once
 I discovered that it took a little bit of work to get them all apart.  I
 used a 600 grit wet sand paper to clean the corrosion off, then heated
them with the propane torch...and a couple pliers to hold them and
twisted them apart.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4509.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4510.jpg)



All apart and ready for a good cleaning.





(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4511.jpg)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 12, 2011, 08:37:20 PM
So I cleaned all the parts on my wire wheel, then honed out the cylinders.  They all cleaned up nicely.



Cleaned and painted, ready for assembly....



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4544.jpg)



10 minutes later I had these....



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4547.jpg)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on March 13, 2011, 07:17:07 AM
I'm surprised you didn't do an upgrade
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 13, 2011, 10:58:59 AM

Quote from: POLARACO
I'm surprised you didn't do an upgrade

Not yet...need to get it running, driving, and safety inspected so I can register it.  Once that's done then I will start the "Upgrades".

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 22, 2011, 02:17:50 PM
Well since my back is a mess right now, I decided to clean and repaint the brake parts for the pass side front.  

Here are a couple pics....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4601.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4603.jpg)

I have bled the brakes through to the front, since the lines were open.  Nice clean fluid moving through now. Bearings cleaned up nicely and they have no pits or major wear that I can see.  A good repacking and they will be good to go.  Also does anyone have the seal # for the front drums?

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on March 22, 2011, 03:52:56 PM
give ya 29 bucks for the lot
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 03, 2011, 12:56:27 PM
Well I finally got the front brakes back together and adjusted...I have a
 new disdain for the factory set-up and adjustment on those front
brakes.



Well here are a couple before pics...



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4479.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4481.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4484.jpg)





And ready for the drums to go back on....less the springs.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4636.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4637.jpg)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 03, 2011, 12:57:25 PM
Then it was to the back to get those drums off.  I borrowed a proper
drum puller from a friend of mine on the East Coast...Thanks Steve!!



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4659.jpg)



The passenger side came off with some PB Blaster and a little heat....



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4660.jpg)



Looks like an axle seal is leaking....(http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif)



The Drivers side fought me.  Lots of PB Blaster and heat.  And cranking
on the drum puller until I though the studs would rip free.  A little
trick I used, and not sure if it's ever been mentioned or not.



I spun the drum so the keyway was in the 12 O-clock position.  The
sprayed PB Blaster onto the keyway and then hit it with compressed air
to drive the fluid down into the hub.  Did this a few times and then
heat cycled it some more.  The drum did not let go.  I Continued doing
this but also started rotating the drum puller.  I figured perhaps the
drum puller wasn't pulling perfectly square to the hub so if I rotated
it I might get lucky and it would pop off at a certain position.  Well
this did the trick!!



Here's what it looked like when I got it off...



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4672.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4673.jpg)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 03, 2011, 12:58:05 PM
Well after I got the rear drums and brakes off and found the the axle
seals were shot, I figured I pull the axles.  Well after doing much
reading through the archives I tried using my custom made slide hammer,
machinist neighbor made it and gave it to me when he moved.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4714.jpg)



This did not work...other then to take many chunks out of my leather
gloves.  I learned to wear gloves after the first time I used the slide
hammer....flesh hurts a lot more then glove leather....(http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/images/smilies/wink.gif)



So I had to figure out another way to get those axles out.  A couple
people said they used a odd set-up with a pipe wrench and hammer to pop
them loose.  This got me to thinking and looking around the garage for
something that might work.  I finally came across an old class I trailer
 hitch.



Here's what I did....



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4712.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4711.jpg)



The hole for the ball was just the right size, and then the long flat
hitch was stout enough to beat on with my big hammer....worked like a
charm.


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 03, 2011, 12:58:34 PM
Once I saw the odd green and brown fluid that came out of the axle, and
the condition of the pinion seal, I figured I better pull the pumpkin.  I
 had to chissel through years of grease, dirt and grime just to free up
most of the nuts on the pumpkin.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4717.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4719.jpg)



Once those were off I tried and tried to get the pumpkin loose but it
just wouldn't budge.  I finally happened to notice the small copper
crush washers...ahhh not I see why it wouldn't come loose.  So after
working those loose and off the pumpkin came out no problem.


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 03, 2011, 12:59:05 PM
Then I decided I would remove the pinion seal.  Well the Yoke came off
no problem...after some more digging that is.  But the pinion seal
proved to be a formidable adversary.



After breaking by cheap seal puller I had to resort to cold chisels and
pry pars.  Took several hours but I finally vanquished this mighty foe.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4745.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4746.jpg)



Just waiting on the pinion seal to arrive so I can re-assemble the rear axle.


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 11, 2011, 06:44:58 PM
When I seperated the driveshaft from the rear axle I didn't pay much
attention...since it was all caked up with 60 years of grease and grime.




Anyway today I went to re-install the drive shaft to the rear axle and
things just didn't look right, especially since they are mostly clean
now.



Have a look see.....



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4785.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4786.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4787.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 11, 2011, 06:46:13 PM
And a couple more....



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4788.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4789.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT4790.jpg)



So tell me this is all wrong and that a previous owner cobbled this together.  (http://www430.pair.com/p15d24/mopar_forum/images/smilies/frown.gif)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on May 11, 2011, 06:49:26 PM


I think I have one of those shafts.  Want me to send it up for parts?
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on May 11, 2011, 07:13:57 PM
So, is it the wrong driveshaft, U-joints themselves, or rear end? The bolts bolt in from the rear and thread into the caps from the rear on top of it, so yeah, there is definitely something wrong here.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on May 11, 2011, 08:46:45 PM


It's the wrong bearing cap
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on May 12, 2011, 07:31:37 AM
That's what I was getting at. Shouldn't they come with a new U-joint and fix the whole problem? I figure there was one for 6 cylinder engines, one for V8/Hemi engines, the latter being the larger ones. With that many years, if available, replace with a new one, for piece of mind if nothing else.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 12, 2011, 07:38:01 PM
I figure it's the yoke on the diff that is incorrect.  It just seems too big.  I've seen some pics of other 40's-50's mopars and they seem a lot smaller.  If the yoke was smaller then I think it would all bolt up fine. 

I still have the rear complete rear diff from the 48 Dodge D25 I parted out.  I will check to see what the yoke looks like on that one.

And the car is far from running yet.  So it will get the approriate new parts when the time comes...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)



Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on May 12, 2011, 10:27:04 PM


Give me all your shaft dimensions.  I have that shaft here from the 50.  It might fix the problem
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on May 13, 2011, 07:06:00 AM
There are two yoke thus rear end sizes. The smaller ones are usually for the six cylinder engines, the larger ones are for the Hemi (in this case). It isn't a real big deal, just the wrong driveline U-joint end sizes, and since the driveline hasn't been in the car since you bought it, right (?), chances are a replacement driveline was gotten for a 48 DeSoto, which is probably what it is, just not the right engine combination, I bet a U-joint replacement would end up being the same problem, a Hemi U-joint driveline will be needed, but being this old, I may just be trying to apply newer (60s and 70s) heavy duty parts to the situation and the caps themselves may be larger. I jumped over to Rockauto and they don't list a Hemi or a U-joint for any DeSoto, so not sure what to say about this. Hopefully Steve has the right bolt pattern.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 13, 2011, 08:54:17 PM


With a little help I figured out what the problem was...I'm a dolt!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Here's the missing piece....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/DeSotoU-JointRetainerPlate2.jpg)

One of the guys on the P15-D24 forum posted that pic, and that's when I remebered I saw those things floating around my parts washer.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)

Will install them tomorrow.






thrashingcows2011-05-14 13:32:39
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on May 14, 2011, 07:36:59 AM
Don't tell me there is some kind of adapter to add to the bolt pattern..... dana442011-05-14 12:37:22
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 14, 2011, 08:36:40 AM

Quote from: dana44
Don't tell me there is some kind of adapter to add to the bolt pattern.....

Sorry it was late and then I was having problems getting the pic to load onto the forum.  I fixed it now and you can see the plate that bolts over to hold the cup on the U-joint secure.

I still think this is the wrong set-up, at least with the parts I have.  Since the yoke is a bolt and nut set-up with the top plates, and the U-joint cups are threaded to accept a bolt.  It will work for now, and obviously has in the past, but it is evident that things are not 100% correct.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on May 14, 2011, 11:40:53 AM
Something isn't right. Those plates don't do anything to actually hold the caps onto the rear end. More like they are supposed to be on the back of the yoke instead of the front, something isn't right.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 17, 2011, 05:08:26 PM
Well Ol' Fernando was away for the summer, now he's back home for more work this winter.  Hope to have it running by next spring.

Anyway I've been working on a few changes/upgrades for the rebuilt flathead I have sitting on the shop floor. 

This upgrade I did is combining a flathead 6 dizzy with a more modern slant 6 dizzy with Electronic ignition.

Anyway here's a step by step on how I did it.

Here they are side by side...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5509.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5511.jpg)

Now torn down...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5514.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5513.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5512.jpg)






Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 17, 2011, 05:27:31 PM

I had a wee bit of a time getting the lower collar off the flatty distributor.  The pin would not move...I tried heat, penetrating fluid etc.  SO eventually I had to hack it off with my dremel and a hacksaw.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5515.jpg)

Here you can see how similar the two main shafts are.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5516.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5517.jpg)

The main difference...other then the distributor drive portion...was in the mounting for the mechanical advance weights.  The flatty weights use a smaller mounting lug on the main shaft plate then the slant 6 one does.  So you can't swap them.  I weighed the weights and they were all 55g, so the only difference would be in the springs and when they would come in.

So I cleaned up the original flatty weights and springs, lubed them up and re-installed.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5523.jpg)




thrashingcows2011-12-17 22:29:27
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 17, 2011, 05:35:19 PM
So now came the hard part.  The shaft bore on the flatty distributor, the part that runs down in to the motor, was 1.060".  The Slant 6 dizzy bore was 1.090.  SO I had 30 thou I had to remove.  Well I don't have a lathe, or access to one so I did it the old fashion way....sand paper, micrometer and a couple hours.

I did the hard cutting with some 60 grit band saw paper and then used small, varying size strips of 100 grit to slowly polish it down to the right size.

Few pics...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5522.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5521.jpg)

And all done...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5520.jpg)




Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 17, 2011, 05:42:30 PM
Here you can see the two bushings that run between the wreights.  The one on the right is the flatty, the left is the slanty.  You will need to use the slanty one so when the top plate goes on all your clearances will be right.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5519.jpg)

There is a bushing/washer that runs on the bottom of the plate, between the plate and the distributor housing itself.  The flatty shaft/plate junction has a slight lip so it runs the bushing on the right.  I tried using it but the collar would not allow the shaft to drop down far enough to get the collar on the lower section of the distributor.  SO I re-installed the original slanty one, on the flathead shaft.  Not a perfect fit but should be OK I hope....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5518.jpg)

Now in slides the shaft...lubed it up good.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5524.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on December 17, 2011, 05:44:10 PM


Is that going to work?
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 17, 2011, 05:47:03 PM
Since I destroyed the original collar from the flatty I had to use the slant 6 lower collar.  It wasn't a perfect fit.  The shaft center lines did not match up.  I had to find a drill bit just a hair smaller then the shaft through the distributor shaft and then drill through.  Once that was done it was tap the roll pin into place.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5525.jpg)

Then cleaned up the original flatty mounting plate and installed.  Not sure of the reasoning behind the timing marks plate that was on there, but I did not re-install it.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5526.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5527.jpg)




Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 17, 2011, 05:50:34 PM
Then it was re-install the vacuum advance, top plate assembly and all is done...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5529.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5530.jpg)

I hope all works properly when I finally get my motor installed into Ol' Fernando.  Will definitely give an update when i do.





Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on December 17, 2011, 07:14:52 PM
I am pretty sure it will work, you did a good job getting it all correct. One thing you are going to have to check, I don't know for sure, but the gear at the base of the housing may have to be cut off, not sure if it will interfere with anything. If it doesn't, leave it, but if it does based on the previous comparisons of the two, cut it off.
 
Good job, I enjoyed the pictures and description. Lets you appreciate a small lathe to make things fit properly, doesn't it?
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 05, 2012, 08:21:16 PM
Well I finally got around to pulling the motor out of ol' Fernando this weekend.  Been slowly pulling things apart getting ready for the big day...well today was the day.

Of course there were a few problems, couldn't get the nuts to budge on the exhaust pipe to manifold....They were put in from below and then double nutted on top!  I had to cut the heads off from below and then pound them up until the double nuts hit the manifold....even then it wouldn't pop off.  Once we started pulling the motor I was able to beat it free!!

Then the hood would not come off.  The drivers side captured nuts were all loose and spinning, then I had one that the had forced a bigger bolt and nut into...I had to carefully cut the head off that one and beat it up into the hood area.  Once the hood was off we could get to work.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5683.jpg)

Ready to pull..

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5684.jpg)

We just had enough boom length on the hoist to clear the front end....and it was sketchy at best...but got it out.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5686.jpg)

Now it's clean up time and get ready for the new motor and tranny...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5688.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 05, 2012, 08:28:01 PM
And now I could really see the carnage from the original motor lost #1 cylinder!!


When #1 let go it also took out #2 as well. The crank is gouged and done...no salvaging like I had hoped.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5694.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5695.jpg)

It also broke the cam apart, and one piece went down, around and up into cylinder 3/4 area adn got jammed up and punched a hole in the block!  I was lucky that the cam piece was still there and I was able to wrestle it out...now I have a cool cam carnage paper weight!!

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5690.jpg)

The fuel pump got beat up as well....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5702.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 05, 2012, 08:31:18 PM
I've also been upgrading the 218 that will be going back in...installed a
 Mopar 12V alternator, spin on oil filter, my Slant six electronic dizzy
 and converted one of my air cleaners to a paper element unit.  Will
post up pics and info on that in a few days.


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: firedome on February 06, 2012, 05:19:17 AM
Wow that bottom end was a real mess!!

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on February 06, 2012, 06:07:45 AM
Awesome job so far. Yeah, breaking parts carnage is always a fun one to look at, but it is hard to say the crank is gone, depending if it is steel or cast, which I believe is steel, meaning it can safely be welded, ground, and rebalanced if necessary. Being as how the pan rail was destroyed when the rod went out, most of the older engine books show screwing and gasketing a piece of sheetmetal to cover a hole blown into the block, but I don't see that happening with this. This is one of those rare cases where I say too bad it isn't aluminum, you could literally weld it back together and remachine the frame rail, then retap the pan bolts, but not much luck rewelding cast iron. At least the engines are fairly common with the Dodge, Chrysler and Plymouths since you want to go stock. Heck, a whole slant six might actually fit in there without having to cut anything, then you could put a small turbo on it (kid's power-maker), or a supercharger (big boy power maker) and then you could move that bahemoth around in style. Good job with all the nice pictures, I love the 46-48 DeSoto grilles.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 06, 2012, 07:28:49 AM
Yeah the block is toast...not only is it missing pieces...but there are cracks around the front two main bearing castings as well.

Saving the crank is not really a concern.  I could find another 251 or a bigger 265 pretty easy if I wanted to go that route.





Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on February 06, 2012, 09:49:48 AM
I agree. Have you thought about putting a more powerful 4 cylinder mopar engine in her? You would have to add about 500 lbs of lead to the front end, but that's the least of your worries right now. I say that because a Dakota 2.5 and 5spd manual/automatic would have more power than this, and it would definitely be something much more different than anything on the road.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on February 06, 2012, 12:46:33 PM


Hey I have a bunch of motor parts for a 231
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 07, 2012, 02:22:55 PM
The 218 I have is a 25" motor, and has been rebuilt with only a couple break in miles on it.  It also came with a manual 3 speed as well.  I'll be loosing the fluid drive.

But this power train is only temporary...I plan on an upgrade in a few years.  I'm going with a 4 cylinder though...but will keep the rest under my hat until then.



Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on February 07, 2012, 07:59:45 PM
Quote from: thrashingcows
 
That's the part I am interested in. Wouldn't happen to have a 5spd out of a Dakota to go with that, would you? Or maybe a turbo option?
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 08, 2012, 08:37:15 PM

Quote from: dana44
Quote from: thrashingcows
But this power train is only temporary...I plan on an upgrade in a few years.  I'm going with a 4 cylinder though...but will keep the rest under my hat until then.
 

Perhaaaaps......(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Remember....3 People CAN keep a secret.....if the other two are dead....    (http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/smilies-2008/action060.gif)



Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on February 09, 2012, 08:09:22 AM
Yean, yeah, yeah.
 
Still no reason to keep a secret like that!
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 21, 2012, 05:35:06 PM
Well over the weekend I decided to get in there and pull that rear engine mount.  Since I'm swapping in a new 218 motor with a 3 speed manual, I now need a new location forward of the fluid drive mount location.

First I cut all the heads of the rivets, and cut the welds on the underside of the frame rail....mount would not come loose.  Tried pounding the rivets into the frame...they would not move!!  

So I figured since I'm going to have to shorten the width of the mount anyway, I'll use my sawzall to cut the mount into 3 pieces. cut the mount off about 4-5" from the frame rail on each side.  Tried again to pound them loose but no go.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5753.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5754.jpg)

This side was a little tricky to get to the two rivets behind the master cylinder mount.  Thank goodness for my dremel and a cold chisel.




Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 21, 2012, 05:40:30 PM
Well I eventually had to drill out the center of each rivet with abut a 1/8 bit, then went back with a 5/16-ish...or about the same size as the rivet body.  Only went deep enough with the big bit to clear the bracket.  Then it was a couple swift hits with the punch and hammer and the rivets fell into the frame.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5757.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5758.jpg)

Here the are the 3 pieces together.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5755.jpg)

Once I get the motor and tranny in the hole I'll hook up the center piece to the bell housing and then trim the outside pieces to fit and tack everything in place.  I'll be bolting the mount to the frame this time though.




Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on February 21, 2012, 05:48:56 PM
And a couple more pics....

Before...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5750.jpg)

..and after....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5759.jpg)

Only other thing I need to do is put a small brace on the front side of the MC mounting bracket.  Since it used to be welded to the old mount.  


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on February 21, 2012, 08:57:32 PM


Good job
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 03, 2012, 08:55:54 PM
Well been busy working on Fernando the last week or so.  Running out of
time to get the motor and tranny in, and get it running before May, when
 it goes into summer hibernation and the wagon comes home.

So
after the old motor came out I was looking and trying to figure out the
best way to get the new motor and bellhousing combo into the car.  I
figured it would be easiest if I pulled the RH side fender and other
misc parts.  That way I could swing the motor in mostly level and feed
it down and into the engine bay.

Here it is missing the said front end pieces....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5795.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5796.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 03, 2012, 09:01:29 PM
Now the motor going in.  It went in fairly easily.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5819.jpg)

Only
 problem was the Alternator was hitting the support bracket for the
battery tray on the LH inner fender...sawzall took care of that.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5822.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 03, 2012, 09:06:53 PM
So now I had to figure out just what I needed to do to mount the old
rear engine mount assembly into it's new location.  The frame was
already drilled for the new location...Lucky me!! So all I did was find
some matching 3/8 bolts with captured washers from my buckets of misc
bolts...and then tap the holes to the right thread.

Had to open
the holes in the bracket a little with a rat file to allow the 3/8 bolts
 to go through. And then trim off the lip that was welded to the frame
in the old location.  Since in the new location the bracket is actually
mounted up higher.  But once that was done they bolted up fine.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5826.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5827.jpg)



Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 03, 2012, 09:12:45 PM
Now the real fun began.  Seems the old rear engine mount spacing was
about 1/2" wider on the old fluid drive vs the new manual 3 speed
bellhousing.  So I had to cut the mount down the middle.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5832.jpg)

Then
 remove about 1/4" from each piece...using my vise and my sawzall...no
band saw for me.  The trial fit it, remove it and grind off a little
here and a little there...a few times

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5834.jpg)

Then mount it for the last time, square it up and tack weld it.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5836.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 03, 2012, 09:19:39 PM
Then once the center part was secure and mounted to the bellhousing I
could figure out how much I needed to remove from the sides to make it
line up with the stubs that were secured to the frame rails.  Turned out
 I needed a little help to position the motor....it was sagging back on
the front engine mount.  SO I hooked up a small ratchet strap, and with
the help of a small floor jack and the engine hoist I was able to
position the motor perfectly.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5829.jpg)

Then
 it was remove another 1/4" from each side of the big center
piece...again with the vice and sawzall..and hope for the best. 
Actually went in fairly well...here it is tacked and ready for removal
and final welding.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5839.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 03, 2012, 09:23:28 PM
Here's the mount just tacked together...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5840.jpg)

All welded up....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5843.jpg)

And painted and installed....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5851.jpg)

And here's Fernando with it's new motor.  No idea how long it's been since it has had a motor that could run in there?

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5854.jpg)


....Now the fun to bring things to life begin.




Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on March 03, 2012, 10:02:42 PM


Cool
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on March 04, 2012, 06:51:05 AM
Yep, totally outstanding.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 04, 2012, 06:58:39 AM
Thanks guys.  It's coming along...though not as fast as I'd hope...darn work/life/family....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Lot more work to bring a car back to road worthiness after being derelict for several decades.



Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: firedome on March 04, 2012, 09:05:41 AM
These things always take twice as long and 3 x the $ than we think... excellent work!

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on March 04, 2012, 09:18:39 AM
Better than drugs. At least you have something to show for it, right?
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: azblackhemi on March 04, 2012, 10:14:53 AM
Quote from: dana44
Better than drugs. At least you have something to show for it, right?
Somtimes I think this hobby is a drug. just as addicting at least. Fernny's looking good Brian. Keep plugging along and before you know it it'll be done.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on March 04, 2012, 10:47:38 AM

Quote from: azblackhemi
Quote from: dana44
Better than drugs. At least you have something to show for it, right?
Somtimes I think this hobby is a drug. just as addicting at least. Fernny's looking good Brian. Keep plugging along and before you know it it'll be done.
Easy for you to say. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 04, 2012, 11:54:35 AM

Quote from: dana44
Better than drugs. At least you have something to show for it, right?

Well I've never drank or done any drugs my entire life.  That was how I was able to do a top notch, ground up resto on my 68 Coronet 500 convertible by the time I was 21.  All my money I could have been spending on drinking etc went into buying parts and services for my 'vert.  Started the resto when I was 17, and finished about 5 years later.  After the same amount of time what did all my drinking buddies have to show for their 5 years...not much.

Before...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Misc/4Driverside.jpg)

After...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Misc/MVC-039S.jpg)

This car was later sold to help buy my house...kind of miss it but I now have new addictions...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on March 04, 2012, 04:44:06 PM
Very nice. I like a beer or rum and coke (it's a Navy thing), now and then, but not to excess. Heck, been about six weeks since my last drink as a matter of fact, gonna have to do something about that. I'm getting ready to restore my house, after three years redoing the house plans, paying for them four times, until the wife made up her mind. She changes her mind this time, she can live in a mudpuddle for all I care.

I could have restored from the ground up, frame off, two of my cars, or for that matter three more copies of the garage I built, and that was double what I expected it to cost,  for what I have spent on architects and building permits to make her happy.dana442012-03-04 21:45:53
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 04, 2012, 07:23:46 PM
Ahhh love...aint it grand...or is that a few grand....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)





Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on March 04, 2012, 07:56:31 PM


Is that an AzBlack paint job?  Whoever painted that did a great job
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 13, 2012, 05:52:25 PM

Quote from: POLARACO


Nope the guy who did the work on the car was amazing..but he went through a nasty divorce and my car was the last one out of his shop before it got seized by the courts.



Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 13, 2012, 05:52:32 PM
Well the other day I picked up my new tailshaft seal...Thank you to our forum members for posting up this info.

The old one put up a bit of a fight...;)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5896.jpg)

The new one fit perfectly and has not leaked...Part number is SKF 15620...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5897.jpg)


Then I decided to pull off the side cover...since I couldn't figure out exactly how the shift arms worked together.  I now understand how things work but since I had the cover off I decided to replace one of the shifter seals that was leaking.

Here is the old seal, which is cork, and other parts...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5904.jpg)

Since I didn't have any original seals available I did a little brain storming and came up with a potential solution to my problem.  I would dig into my jar of new/used misc O-rings and see if I could find one that would work.  I did eventually find one.  Then installed it and needed a very thin washer to cover it, and protect it from the movement of the shifter arm...so to my tin of misc washers.

Here it is...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5903.jpg)

No leaks yet...:D


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 13, 2012, 06:04:55 PM
Well since the original E-brake system that came on my 3 speed tranny
was incomplete I decided to use the complete system off the old fluid
drive.  Really it was not that hard to make things work.



Here are the original 3 speed brackets and small drum...



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5784.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5785.jpg)



And here is the system on the original fluid drive...



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5665.jpg)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5666.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 13, 2012, 06:05:50 PM
After cleaning up all the parts off the fluid drive tranny I then had to trim and shim out the original 3 speed bracket on the pass. side.  And then trim the bracket on the drivers side and straighten it.  Then it was install the bigger e-brake drum and band...line up the pass. side original fluid drive bracket with the other bracket and tack into place.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5899.jpg)

The the driver side I had to cut off one of the top mounting hole on the original fluid drive bracket.  The it was line things up and tack it onto the cut and straightened original 3 speed bracket.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5900.jpg)

Then I adjusted everything and it all seems to work properly.  Just have to remove everything and do a final weld on the brackets.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5898.jpg)




Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 13, 2012, 06:10:09 PM
And today i picked up my new Coker Classic 7.60 x 15, 3" wide white, Bias Ply tires.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5906.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5907.jpg)

Now I have to pull the old rims and tires...sand blast and repaint, before I can install these beauties.;)




Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on March 13, 2012, 06:15:25 PM


It's amazing how much better stuff works when it's clean
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 13, 2012, 07:47:15 PM
I have not been able to get any bolts off the motor or tranny without first having to chisel off the dirt and debris.  Never seen build up like this before...and the big Honda gas powered pressure washer barely makes a dent in the stuff. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on March 13, 2012, 08:11:14 PM


Soak it in lye solutions then blast it.  Takes the paint, allot of the rust and leaves the plastic and rubber.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on March 13, 2012, 08:28:33 PM
Looking good, I will say that much. Crust and crud, yeah, they don't do it the same as they used to, right?
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 28, 2012, 04:08:28 PM
Been up to a bit more over the last week or so.  Moved on to the next part in the hook up of the motor and tranny.  I needed to see if I could make the current drive shaft work...or figure out if I had to get a new one made up.

Well here is the original drive shaft.  It has a splined section at the front , near the tranny, that slides in and out with the movement of the rear suspension.  The rear section is your standard U-joint style.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5908.jpg)

There is a threaded collar, and seal, at the front that helps keep the two pieces together...and provide a sealed area for the grease to be held. The splined section is about 2" long.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5912.jpg)


I initially installed the drive shaft unaltered and found that it was going to be short.  Then I removed it and proceeded to be sad..thinking I was going to have to spend some big bucks on getting a new drive shaft made up.  Then I had a thought....what if I unscrew the threaded stop, therefore giving the drive shaft more range of motion, and extra length.  I did this and re-installed the drive shaft.  I found the drive shaft only needed about an extra 1 1/4" (1.250") more length over stock, and the splines only extended about 1/4" (.250") past the threaded stop.  Pic shows what it looked like.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5913.jpg)




Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on March 28, 2012, 07:46:05 PM
So essentially you need to either have a piece added to the splined yoke end, possibly you can locate/get a spline that is the same size that is longer, and this should be a standard thread, and possibly even the right size U-joint, or, it would be pretty easy to add a section of the tube where the grease fitting is, drop a 1.25inch piece in there, cut, machine the inside square, your added piece a lip that tightly slips into the lip on both sides and weld it up, clean up that other weld at the same time. One very important thing about drivelines is the phasing of the U-joints themselves. The caps need to be square with each other, a long flat piece of steel to lay it on, (or formica flat table long enough), so both caps sit flat with each end, no slight angle off otherwise they vibrate and destroy each other, so make sure when you reinstall the splines, it is correct. Oh, and I have redone drivelines this way several times without any problems and never had them balanced. As long as the yoke tube ends when cut are square, and the piece you fit into the driveline to lengthen it are square (as in turned on a lathe), and the yokes squared properly, she will run just fine.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 28, 2012, 08:14:19 PM
Well with the 1/4" (.250") of spline extended past the end it still left 1 3/4" (1.75") of spline in the drive shaft.  I was concerned that the travel of the suspension would cause the splines to extended out too far and perhaps fall apart.  So I first loaded up the car with as much weight as I could find...about 1000lbs of bricks, sand bags etc.  Then jacked the back end way up and let the suspension hang at full extension.  The splines only moved less then 1/4" in either direction.  So I figured I'd be safe driving it this way.

But now I was faced with a problem.  How do I keep the grease in and around the splines when I no longer have the threaded end and seal to do this for me.  Man hours of thinking...I'm a trucker so have a bit of spare thinking time on my hands....I came up with an idea of using a replacement CV joint boot.  I went down to the local jobber and asked them is I could get one with a 1 1/2" x 2" openings.  He looked through the catalogs and could find anything with sizes or measurements.  I was about to leave when another idea flashed into my head....how about a shock boot like they use on off road trucks?

So he ran up and got me a shock boot...I checked it out and figured it would do the job.

First I had to clean the two ends of the drives shaft, wanted to get all that  old grease out of there.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5914.jpg)

Shock boot number...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5915.jpg)

The front part, or top of the boot was a little snug getting over the splines of the front yoke..but eventually with some grease, and a bit of luck, it slipped on and over. Then it was repack everything and slide the front yoke into the drive shaft....make sure to orient it properly before doing this...I didn't.  Then I slipped the lower section down and over the cleaned exterior section of the drive shaft...again a little grease helped things.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5918.jpg)

I found that the boot was a little long.  I ended up initially cutting off 5 ribs.  and after final assembly...and installation I cut off one more.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5919.jpg)




Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 28, 2012, 08:18:36 PM
I also dis-assembled both U-joints.  Some of the grease was hard as a rock, but all the needles were in great shape.  SO everything just needed a good cleaning, the re-lube and assemble.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5921.jpg)

Here it is all done...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5922.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5924.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 28, 2012, 08:22:02 PM
I also go the 3 speed installed.  

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5927.jpg)

Here is a couple pics of the tranny and drive shaft.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5928.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5929.jpg)

I'm now working on the E-brake and the column shifter and clutch rods and mechanisms.




Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on March 28, 2012, 08:29:20 PM
Guess you will find out whether or not it will slip out of service, it may very well be OK, my concern would be spring wrap and things like that extending far enough not that it would come completely out, but possibly get to the point that it could twist under strain.  Good idea on the cover for the slip joint, place a zip strip on the ends to keep it from moving, kind of like a regular boot to keep it where it belongs.
 
I guess we are getting pretty close to finding out how well she does on the road?
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 28, 2012, 08:46:34 PM

Quote from: dana44
So essentially you need to either have a piece added to the splined yoke end, possibly you can locate/get a spline that is the same size that is longer, and this should be a standard thread, and possibly even the right size U-joint, or, it would be pretty easy to add a section of the tube where the grease fitting is, drop a 1.25inch piece in there, cut, machine the inside square, your added piece a lip that tightly slips into the lip on both sides and weld it up, clean up that other weld at the same time. One very important thing about drivelines is the phasing of the U-joints themselves. The caps need to be square with each other, a long flat piece of steel to lay it on, (or formica flat table long enough), so both caps sit flat with each end, no slight angle off otherwise they vibrate and destroy each other, so make sure when you reinstall the splines, it is correct. Oh, and I have redone drivelines this way several times without any problems and never had them balanced. As long as the yoke tube ends when cut are square, and the piece you fit into the driveline to lengthen it are square (as in turned on a lathe), and the yokes squared properly, she will run just fine.

Thank you for the great ideas, and advice.  Not sure if I got the drive shaft perfectly lined up.  Will pop it out and double check.

But I think it will be OK for now.  The Flat 6 does not have a lot of HP or torque so I have a feeling it will be fine for a couple years until the new power train goes in.





Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on March 29, 2012, 06:43:24 AM
That is pretty cool that there is a spline like that (my TR4 uses the same thing, but it is only three feet long). Like I said, simply lay it on a flat surface, line up the fixed caps so when it is sitting on the surface the two caps won't rock. This allows the pivots to move together at the same time and when they are off one tooth, or when they are not in phase, they vibrate (and can break much easier) because the U-joint is turning at different times, putting stress on everything, vibrate because of this, and put uneven pressure on the caps. It is an easy fix, easy rebuild/modification, too.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on April 03, 2012, 09:09:17 PM
SO been working on things a bit more in the last week or two.  I've finally got all the shifter and clutch linkage cleaned, lubed and installed.

Here is what the linkage looked like after removal and dis-assembly....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5880.jpg)

And since I was going from the old fluid drive, to a standard 3 speed I needed a shorter shifter linkage and adjustable clutch rod.  Thankfully I had those piece from that 48 Dodge parts car I picked up a year or two ago.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5947.jpg)

Now everything cleaned and installed...and mostly adjusted.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5975.jpg)

And with the clutch pedal and MC assembly installed.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5978.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on April 03, 2012, 09:20:22 PM
Well I had been trying to come up with a solution to the E-brake cable problem.  Since I made the fluid drive E-brake system work on the regular 3 speed transmission, the mounting points for the E-brake cable was in a totally different location from either of the factory set-ups.

So here I was with a fluid drive E-brake cable, mounted in a standard 3 speed mounting location, having to make up about 8" from the end of the cable to the e-brake assembly itself.  I tried all kinds of neat and fancy things...even built a few brackets and coupler, but could not get the cable to pull nice and straight.  I eventually decided I had to go more cave man.

I finally came up with a piece of chain run from the E-brake cable end to the e-brake assembly.  Seems to work great now.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5979.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5980.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on April 03, 2012, 09:26:58 PM
And as of right now I'm working on the exhaust system.  I will post up pics and info when that is done....hope you won't be too shocked and appalled by what I end up doing....:o


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on April 04, 2012, 04:23:22 AM


say Wha?
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on April 04, 2012, 07:56:39 AM
A double eyelet threaded rod and shackle could be used to replace the chain. Although the chain is pretty cool looking, as long as it works like you said, what more can a person ask for.

In looking at all the great work you are doing, when is everything going to be disassembled and cleaned up, like the frame? I do have to admit, getting her on the road, getting the bugs out of the systems first, then a disassembly and cleaning up and painting of everything can be done later. Great looking components by the way.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on April 04, 2012, 08:05:53 AM
Ed...I tried one of those, but the ridged nature of those eyelet/shackle combo made the two
 attachment points twist funny.  Not sure if you can see it in the pics,
but the two points are not in alignment...they are off set.  SO
when the cable is loose in the "off" position, to when it is in the "on"
 position the two points change dramatically.  I found if I adjusted a
solid link in the "off" position, it would cause the cable to twist or
run cockeyed when moved to the "on" position....And vice versa.  This
was the only thing I found that worked...and it's only for a coupe years
 until I can get the 8 3/4 under the car. Then I'll have an E-brake system back on the rear drums.


As for the detailing...not in any rush.  Don't want to make things too pretty right now.  Need something to do when I retire in 20 years.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif).....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)




Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on April 04, 2012, 10:39:28 AM
I hear you. Hey, my TR4 project was moved for the first time in 16 years, simply relocated, but at least it is progress. In the process of rebuilding the house, and it is slow going what with the wife wanting to do her thing as things get emptied. Took me three days to move the body, the frame, two engines, two transmissions and a 9X12 shed full of parts without making too much of a ruckus and upsetting the apple cart. Been a week now and the concern of "where are the cats going to be eating?", is a major priority on her list. It's a wonder we ever get anything done around here, so I know what you mean about ensuring you have plenty of stuff to do to keep you occupied in the future.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 27, 2012, 08:51:21 PM
Well been busy working on the car the last couple weeks...but haven't taken the time to update regularly.



So I was working on the exhaust after my last update. I originally was
going to try and run a true dual exhaust system.  I had an old system
from an 87 Dodge ram V8 truck.  But after getting parts and pieces in
under the car I decided it was not going to work.  The stock panhard bar
 was going to mess up the drivers side pipe.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5990.jpg)



 I then decided that I would go with a bigger single exhaust...so I
bought an exhaust system from a 90's? Chevy diesel truck for $40.  A
little over kill at 2.75" but hey the price was right.



Compared to the original 1.75" pipe.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5991.jpg)




Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 27, 2012, 08:56:35 PM
Now the fun began.  I started with the tailpipe.  Got it up and in
position as best I could...but that spare tire well made it hard to get
it up too high though. 

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5995.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT5996.jpg)

Once
 in place I had to find a way to mount it.  Found that it was really
close to the rear bumper bracket bolts...so I made up a nut and stud to
thread onto the exposed threads of one of the bumper bracket bolts.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6001.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6005.jpg)

Then I could use a universal mount to run from the stud down to the pipe.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6007.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6009.jpg)



Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 27, 2012, 09:04:15 PM
Now I was trying to make the dual outlet manifold that was on my new
motor work with this new bigger single exhaust...but it was turning into
 a night mare and I was loosing patience really fast.  So I ditched the
dual outlet manifold for a stock single exhaust manifold I had as a spare. 

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6143.jpg)

Things progressed much quicker then.  Managed to re-use the original? head pipe...quite thin but still sound enough. 

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6145.jpg)

Made
 up a homemade adapter from pieces of scrap pipe to go from the small
1.75" to 2.75".  Ran out of wire before I finished it though...good
enough for now.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6147.jpg)

And exhaust is in and done.  Not bad for about $50.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6149.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6150.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 27, 2012, 09:23:05 PM
I then had to re-assemble some of the front end.  Hammer and dollied out
 a whack load of dents in the pass. side fender, from old previous
damage.  Looks much better now.  Then it was radiator time. 

I had purchased an all aluminum unit for a 49-52 Passenger car from Champion radiators in Cali...CC52PLY.  Not the direct replacement unit I could have ordered, but will work better for later upgrades I have planned.

Discovered
 I needed to remove the cross bar from the rad support so I could slip
the rad in from the front.  Had to grind off the factory rivets and
pound it out.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6211.jpg)

Once
 that was out of the way I could slip the rad down and in.  Needed to
trim the top mounting flange on the rad to clear the cross bar.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6213.jpg)

Then bolted the cross bar back in.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6214.jpg)




Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 27, 2012, 09:32:21 PM
I had a bunch of old radiator hose from ??? and managed to make a couple work.  Here it is all bolted in and ready to go.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6219.jpg)

Had
 one issue though.  The water pump and pulley set-up was too long.  Was
dangerously close the rad.  So I pulled it and installed the original
water pump and lower pulley from the 251.  Gave me a bit more clearance.

Here you can see the difference.  Not a lot but enough to cause me grief.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6168.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 27, 2012, 09:40:53 PM
Now came the fun part...electronic ignition, starter relay, starter
solenoid, and voltage regulator...and wiring.  Used the holes that
already existed on the inner fender to mount everything.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6224.jpg)

Then
 I made a run out to the pick-a-part for some needed wiring. 84 dodge
ram pick-up donated most of the wiring.....$25...Thank you very much!

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6223.jpg)

Couple hours later I had a crude, dirty and ugly wiring system good enough to get the engine to fire.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6225.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 27, 2012, 09:51:50 PM
I have no gas tank in the car, so I ran a piece of rubber fuel line from
 the fuel line at the back of the car, up into a can of gas secured in
the trunk.  I had some issues with fuel leaking, and not getting to the
fuel pump.  But after a couple hours working on that I finally had fuel
making it to the carb.  Motor was cranking fine and much to my surprise
it fired right up!!

I figured I would have a battle on my
hands...especially since I built that hybrid distributor.  But guess Ol'
 Fernando was eager to get back to life after 20+ years of abandonment
and neglect. 

Only problem I had was the wide 5/8 pulley I had
on the alternator popped off almost immediately after the initial fire. 
 So I had to remove it...grind a slot on each side of the shaft for the
set screws to sit in....lock tight everything, and re-install.  I then
popped the floor back into the car and took it around the block...a few
times.  :)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6230.jpg)


(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6231.jpg)


(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6233.jpg)


(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6237.jpg)


What
 a great feeling to actually drive the car.  Now I have to finish
getting the front end back together so I can put the car into storage
for the summer, and get the wagon home.


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on May 28, 2012, 02:52:44 PM


Good Job Brian
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 28, 2012, 04:05:05 PM
E-brake itself work fine, needs a slight adjustment tighter though....just a little added security.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on May 28, 2012, 07:52:44 PM
Hey, doing great, enjoyed each and every picture and description.  Remember the rule for exhaust systems: it only passes as much exhaust as the smallest cross section in any piece of the pipe. Still looks good though.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: firedome on May 30, 2012, 03:49:54 PM


Now that is one car of character... very cool, great job Brian!
Wish I'd had one when I was 18, look at that  back set space -  talk about a shag-mobile!





firedome2012-05-30 20:51:54
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 30, 2012, 04:26:48 PM
Thanks guys for the kind words.  But as of today the car is in storage.
 I got it all back together yesterday, and gave Fernando it's first
"good" bath in probably 20+ years.  I'd pressure washed it quickly a
couple times but never a proper car wash, car soap, pail and mit.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6243.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on September 23, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
Well I recieved a used Vintage air system from Steve....Thanks again!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
 

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on September 24, 2012, 08:47:24 AM


You'll have a hard time converting that to cable
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on September 24, 2012, 10:06:37 AM
Not really...I pulled one of the motors and it's just a simple D-shaft.  So find, or make the D-shaft, then thread the top portion, attach a flat lever and then make a mounting area for the cables to be secured to and run the cable to the appropriate location.
 
Sure there will be some road blocks along the way, but nothing a little back yard engineering can't over come.
 
 
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on September 24, 2012, 10:53:15 AM


That's not the problem.  The doors move around according to the settings.  More than one moves at any given time
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on September 24, 2012, 03:32:30 PM
Ahh but that is just understanding what doors need to move to do what, there is only three.  Once I understand that it should be fairly simple to get it to do what I want.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on September 24, 2012, 06:39:33 PM


 
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on September 28, 2012, 08:54:40 AM
True hotroddrs don't give up because it might be hard to do....we struggle through to get to the result we want and envision.
 
 
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on September 28, 2012, 11:16:08 AM


I'm just thinking you have 2 cables and 3 motions
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on October 01, 2012, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
I'm just thinking you have 2 cables and 3 motions


 
The dash controls on the Desoto have more then enough space for 3 cables.  Heat, Def and Temp, are all original knobs.  So I will reuse these appropriately.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on October 01, 2012, 01:03:23 PM


Good luck.  Take pictures
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on October 02, 2012, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Good luck.  Take pictures

 
Oh you know I will be documenting the heck out of it.  If my trials and tribulations can help  even one  rodder out there, then it's worth all the extra time to post up the info and pics.
 
 
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on November 13, 2012, 02:31:50 PM
Well today I swapped around my cars...Wagon going into storage...Fernando coming home to be worked on this winter.
Was all excited that this year I could actually start, and then drive the car up on the trailer.  Put a battery in it, hooked up the gas can, primmed the carb...AND...nothing.  Car would run on the gas dumped down the carb, but it seemed like the fuel pump is not priming.  Carb is also leaking badly across the mainshaft.
So I removed the line from the gas can, blew down the fuel line and primed the fuel pump, and filter.  Tried it again and still nothing.  Drained my battery repeatedly trying to start the car. 
The car ran fine this spring when I moved it into storage.  Same fuel pump, fuel was treated with stabilizer.  This fuel pump is of unknown age and condition...but like I said it was working fine earlier this year when I first fired the car.
Guess I'll pull it and see what's going on.  I dug through teh archives and have seen a few posts on fuel pumps coming loose from the diaphram, or pin onthe arm coming loose. 
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 16, 2012, 03:11:18 PM

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 16, 2012, 06:10:15 PM
(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6819_zpse5ddd653.jpg)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 16, 2012, 06:46:06 PM
And finally a video of the car running...with sound this time.  Sorry about the darkness...have the back drums apart trying to fix some problems, so can't back the car outside.
 
http://s697.beta.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/VID-20121209-00002_zpsf5a892b9.mp4.html (http://s697.beta.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/VID-20121209-00002_zpsf5a892b9.mp4.html)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Guests on December 16, 2012, 07:36:12 PM
Boy, she sure purrs like a kitten!
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 31, 2012, 03:27:57 PM
(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6846.jpg)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 31, 2012, 03:37:26 PM
(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6850.jpg)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 31, 2012, 03:42:45 PM

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 31, 2012, 03:50:36 PM
(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6856.jpg)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 31, 2012, 03:54:41 PM
It's a bit tough to snap the arm tight into place, but the use of so large channel lock pliers, and some finesse will pop everything into place.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on December 31, 2012, 03:59:58 PM
thrashingcows2012-12-31 21:02:12
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on December 31, 2012, 05:15:13 PM
I did that once.  But I forget on what.  I just recall a universal sending unit.  It may have been for my 55 savoy
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Robert Rottman on January 05, 2013, 04:36:41 AM
Nice work Bryan...I wish I would have kept up with this thread. I'll have to take some time and take a look at everything you've done. I watched the video of the car running...sounds nice...runs real smooth (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif) and then I saw the universal fuel tank float mods. and install. Thanks for taking the time to document all your work. Very interesting and useful information. Keep up the great work...can't wait to see you drive the old DeSoto out of the garage. Love the toothy grill  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif) 

 
 
furyfever2013-01-05 09:38:11
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on January 06, 2013, 07:19:28 PM
Hey Bob,  Thanks for the kind words.  Yeah it's a big project bringing a derelict car back from the dead.  I try to document, and write things up so that others might benefit from my trials and errors.

Oh BTW I have had it out and around the block...just with a gas can strapped in the trunk.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on January 07, 2013, 08:12:12 PM
Well a a fellow on one of the other boards I frequent asked a question about those zip ties I had holding the wiring tight on the new sending unit.  He asked...."Wonder how those plastic ties will hold up to the ethanol, and gasoline, in your new tank?"  Darn good question I thought.
So a few of us bantered this thought around and finally came up with a suitable solution.  Why not use stainless, copper, or brass wire, instead of plastic zip ties.  Well it just so happens I have one of the old battery cables from Ol' Fernando...the plastic covering was mostly baked off.  It was in my copper/brass scrap bucket.  So out it came to donate a couple copper strands to the cause.
Figured now would be the best time to take care of this...tank on the ground, and empty.
Here it is all wired up...so to speak...;)
(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT6893.jpg)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 01, 2013, 06:02:10 PM
Well been busy trying to get the kitchen finished, so have not had much
time to work on the old Desoto.  But working on things here and there.

I have removed the dual Heaters, and then got the dash  and wiring out.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7046_zps7fd178bb.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7047_zpsd68a479d.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 01, 2013, 06:09:11 PM
Then I had to get the fresh air cowl assembly out.  Which was a bit of
work since the hinges were seized, and the Phillips head screws holding
things together had not moved in 60+ years.  I had to use a lot of fire
to get things apart.  Eventually I got it all apart, did not burnt the
car,, or garage down either.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7058_zps219043fe.jpg)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7059_zpsbc593243.jpg)



Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 01, 2013, 06:13:09 PM
Surprising everything was in good shape...no rust out.  Scrapped out a
couple pounds worth of guff from the bottom.  Only minor pitting on some
 parts.  Should clean up well and then I can re-install everything.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7063_zpsb7762fec.jpg)

And
 here`s the dash with everything out.  Just trying to decide what to do
about firewall insulation.  But I need to get the Vintage Air heat and
AC unit installed, then I can start the re-wire.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7060_zps07d2a7b7.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 01, 2013, 06:20:07 PM
Here is the 12V wiring system I got from EZ wiring....21 Circuit system,
 with the large fuses.  I think it`s a great looking system, and should
go in relatively easy. Comes with very good instructions, that pertain to all kinds of different makes and models.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7133_zps206f2e4f.jpg)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on April 01, 2013, 07:52:37 PM

So been slowly plugging away on the Desoto....have the entire dash out,
as well as the firewall insulation etc.  Been working on getting the
main fresh air assembly redone...clean, paint and new seals.  Anyway
last night I decided I better get off my duff and get the old bias ply
tires off the rims so I can get them down for blasting.  Then prime,
paint and get my new coker wide whites installed.



So yesterday evening after diner I decided to dig out my manual tire
machine and get at it.  The first 3 tires went fairly easily....first
one was the 16" spare for the crewcab that blew up while in the back of
the box.  The next two were 16" bias ply from the 48 Dodge parts
car...other two are on the desoto right now holding up the front end.
Then it was on to the stock 15" rims and tires that were on the
desoto....well things did not go so easily after this. These tires have
probably been on the rims for nearly 30+ years. I fought and fought and
thank goodness for my friend, and neighbor, coming out to see what I was
 up two.  He's as hard headed and stubborn as I am, and a car guy to
boot, so we worked together for the next two hours at these 5 rims and
tires.  We had to use addition bars and blocks of wood, and even had to
use the truck to drive over the bead of the last one to break it free!



So now a couple pics...The tire machine I paid about $40 for many years
ago from Princess Auto.  I have removed at least two dozen tires from
rims with this little machine...paid for itself many times over!



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7192_zps4a4676bb.jpg)



And the pile of tires and rims....



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7188_zps494b67b1.jpg)



And today I used a few of the old tubes from the old bias ply tires to
make up some truck sausages...full of sand for weight in the back of the
 truck come winter season.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7193_zps48c01f6b.jpg)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Robert Rottman on April 07, 2013, 04:55:51 PM
Nice work Brian...I've heard of those manual tire changers but never actually saw one. Harbor Freight Tool? WOW, I'm impressed with your enthusiasm...very impressed! Once I tried getting a tire off myself...drove up on it to brake the bead etc. Didn't work...gave up  and took it in to the shop to get 'er done.  Thanks for posting photos of everything. I had a 49 Plymouth with a siezed cowl vent....could never get that thing freed up....but I never pulled the whole thing out either. Should have...now that I look at your work there. Good on ya for getting the whole assembly out of there. You are doing a fine job. I'll have to make a point on getting over here more just to look at your progress on Fernando.  I don't stop in as much as I use to. Unfortunately there isn't too much action here anymore. It's dissapointing...but unfortunately I'm adding to that problem by not stopping in.
 
Keep on going strong on Fernando Brian...
 
Bob 
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on April 07, 2013, 06:42:00 PM
Thanks Bob...yeah the tire machine has saved me a lot of money over the years....and it's a darn good work out too...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)  I put anchors in the driveway so I have a secure area to bolt down the machine.

I finally have pretty much finished the kitchen reno...been almost 5 years...Doooh.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)  And it's getting late in the season, I have to get the desoto buttoned up so I can move it into storage and get the wagon home. 

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on April 07, 2013, 09:23:21 PM

Mine got stolen
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on April 08, 2013, 11:42:49 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Mine got stolen

Your tire machine...or your kitchen...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on April 08, 2013, 07:44:43 PM

Tire machine silly
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on May 14, 2013, 08:11:42 PM

I finally got around to getting the old rims blasted, then primed and painted. 

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7268_zps35475abe.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7268_zps35475abe.jpg.html)


 And last Sunday was the big day....finally got my 7.60x15 wide whites
mounted!  After the rims were blasted and painted I noticed that 3 of
the rims had oval holes where the valve stem is to go.  I asked the tire
 shop if they could work around this as the tires I had were
"tubeless".  They said no...so I had to get new tubes installed as well.

Fresh back from the tire shop.....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7269_zpscbcc09c4.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7269_zpscbcc09c4.jpg.html)

And after a little simple green and a stiff nylon brissel brush....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7271_zpsbabca558.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7271_zpsbabca558.jpg.html)

Now
 I need to get my dash back together, so I can get the steering column
hooked back up and get the car outside.  Can't wait to see, and drive it
 around the block with the new tires.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: firedome on May 15, 2013, 04:58:17 AM
wow them's some pretty wheels 'n tires! 

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Bill on May 15, 2013, 08:41:17 AM
NICE!
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on August 03, 2013, 05:32:56 PM

Well I'm long over due for an update...about 2 months over due.

Desoto
 is in storage for the summer while the wagon gets it turn in the sun. 
Anyway here's what I got done before it went into storage.

I had
torn the dash and wiring out hoping I'd have tome to redo everything AND
 re-wire the car...well teh re-wire never happened.  That is on the
winter to do list now.

Once I go the dash and under dash fresh air box out I dismantled the fresh air box.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7063_zpsc649465c.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7063_zpsc649465c.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7065_zps1373f312.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7065_zps1373f312.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7066_zpsfa868329.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7066_zpsfa868329.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7067_zps0de9e634.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7067_zps0de9e634.jpg.html)

Turned out to be in really good shape...which surprised me since the cowl vent had rusted open many years ago.


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on August 03, 2013, 05:39:11 PM

Had to order a new seal for the interior door....last photo in the last
post.  Thankfully Steel rubber had one.  And then a new cowl vent seal. 
 Other then that it was just clean and reapint, and free up the hinges
on box doors.

I then cleaned up the groove the seal sits in on
the cowl.  Little sanding cleaned it up pretty nice.  Only one or two
very small pin holes.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7208_zps180c9cc2.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7208_zps180c9cc2.jpg.html)

Then mask and prime....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7210_zps949254a6.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7210_zps949254a6.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7211_zps7ea60cd3.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7211_zps7ea60cd3.jpg.html)

Then wait a day or two to dry and cure then mask and spray with flat black.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7212_zpsd2afaa3d.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7212_zpsd2afaa3d.jpg.html)

I
 didn't want a tape line so while the paint was still tacky I used some
acetone on a paper towel and carefully wiped the edges close to the
groove.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7213_zps00a62f7c.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7213_zps00a62f7c.jpg.html)

Came out great!

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7214_zps4ceb02a9.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7214_zps4ceb02a9.jpg.html)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on August 03, 2013, 05:45:55 PM

Once I got all that cleaned up it was time to clean up the cowl vent. 
Took a lot of PB Blaster and heat to get those screws loose to just
remove it from the car.  Then it was heat and more PB Blaster to free up
 the hinges.  Once everything was moving properly I just sanded the
under side and sprayed with some flat black.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7327_zps27da3a35.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7327_zps27da3a35.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7326_zpsfb25f82e.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7326_zpsfb25f82e.jpg.html)

I
 had marked everything so when I re-installed it the hinges and vent
would go back together the way it came apart....well that was no good. 
After a lot of trial and error I discovered I had to loosen all the
screws and get the vent sitting tight in the cowl.  Then tighten
everything back up...worked great. 

Had to do this before I installed the main fresh air box.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7329_zps0b14641b.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7329_zps0b14641b.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7328_zps5e824861.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7328_zps5e824861.jpg.html)

All done and working fine.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on August 03, 2013, 05:49:15 PM

Then it was time to get the re-done fresh air box in.  Went fairly
smooth...and glad I am that I took dozens of pics of this assembly
before it came out.  Getting all the braces and linkages back where they
 were supposed to go would have been a nightmare without those pics.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7279_zpsbf59dfc5.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7279_zpsbf59dfc5.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7280_zpse576798a.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7280_zpse576798a.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7281_zpscec68778.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7281_zpscec68778.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7282_zpsd52e97aa.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7282_zpsd52e97aa.jpg.html)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on August 03, 2013, 05:54:56 PM

Ahhh I see by the pics I forgot to talk about the firewall insulation. 
The original insulation was made mainly from carboard!  With a thin
layer of jute and the tar paper top covering.  I did not want to re-use
it the way it was so I went with some stuff called mighty mat.  This
stuff is only about 1/4" think so I doubled it up.

Original and new stuff compared...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7277_zps32fb8efc.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7277_zps32fb8efc.jpg.html)

Used the original cardboard as templates...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7276_zps2af727c4.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7276_zps2af727c4.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7275_zps43c345c0.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7275_zps43c345c0.jpg.html)

Then re-used the top tar paper covering so it "looks" mostly original once installed.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7274_zps0687c499.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7274_zps0687c499.jpg.html)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on August 03, 2013, 06:00:23 PM

Then it was time to clean up the original wiper motor and mechanism.  No
 Idea if this unit works or not, I don't have any 6V to test it.  So I'm
 hoping for the best.

Old grease was pretty hard.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7311_zpsc7fdbc12.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7311_zpsc7fdbc12.jpg.html)

Once I had it apart it went into the parts washer for a good cleaning.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7316_zpsc98108d6.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7316_zpsc98108d6.jpg.html)

Then re-assembled with lithium grease.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7323_zps40b41f83.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7323_zps40b41f83.jpg.html)

All done and ready to be re-installed. I will run a voltage drop to this unit once I re-wire the car to 12V.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7324_zps611c3574.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7324_zps611c3574.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7325_zpseb1d00c5.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7325_zpseb1d00c5.jpg.html)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on August 03, 2013, 06:06:05 PM

Then it was time to re-do the dash. I stripped ot down to just the
shell...then used paint stripper to re-move what little original paint
was left.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7354_zpsf5f159cc.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7354_zpsf5f159cc.jpg.html)



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7355_zps65143d90.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7355_zps65143d90.jpg.html)



Then gave it a coat of primer.



(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7357_zps0d86c192.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7357_zps0d86c192.jpg.html)



I guess I didn't snap a pic of the white paint I put on the back side of the dash.  This was a tip from a guy on the HAMB.  (http://www.moparnuts.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.png) And I was in a hurry to get things done so I didn't grab any assembly pics either.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on August 03, 2013, 06:17:00 PM

I had bought a good used lower dash control assembly.  This has machined
 turned detail and holds most of the cars switches and ignition.

The original....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7338_zps119068c8.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7338_zps119068c8.jpg.html)

And the replacement. You can see that there is a lot of corrosion and dirt in the machined turned detail.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7371_zps2f5d9544.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7371_zps2f5d9544.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7372_zpsd00348b0.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7372_zpsd00348b0.jpg.html)

I
 tried many different things to try and clean it up.  I tried all kind
sof cleaners and brushes...even a pressure wash...just wouldn't come
clean to my satisfaction.  I was wandering around the garage trying to
think of what else I could try when I spotted a new package of small
wire brushes I had just purchased.  In the pack was a brass brissel wire
 brush...I thought this might clean the little grooves without damaging
anything.  Well I was right!

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7375_zps78375919.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7375_zps78375919.jpg.html)

All clean and looking better then it has in 60 years!

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7376_zps3f4c5b9b.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7376_zps3f4c5b9b.jpg.html)



Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on August 03, 2013, 06:21:32 PM

Then it was time to re-assemble the dash...again in a rush and didn't
grab assembly pics.  But here it is all back together and in the car. 

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7383_zps60ad4450.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7383_zps60ad4450.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7386_zpsf714a9d8.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7386_zpsf714a9d8.jpg.html)

I went with Satin Black since I will be re-doing the upholstery in Ox
Blood red leather and I think the Satin black trim, carpet and headliner
 will contrast nicely with the red leather interior.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on August 03, 2013, 06:28:56 PM

And now Fernando outside with it's new Coker 7.60x15 Bias Ply wide whites.....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7402_zps7c04c389.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7402_zps7c04c389.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7398_zps86b160dd.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7398_zps86b160dd.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7395_zpsed2dc5b0.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7395_zpsed2dc5b0.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT7399_zpsc0cd648e.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT7399_zpsc0cd648e.jpg.html)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on August 03, 2013, 07:02:21 PM

And now a video of me driving up and down the street...with the new tires.  What a difference having 4 new tires makes!!

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/th_VID-20130608-00002_zpse40f8551.jpg) (http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/VID-20130608-00002_zpse40f8551.mp4)
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on August 03, 2013, 07:09:13 PM
Video is messed up.  It's just gray
Wonderful Job.  You putting the Vintage air in there?
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on August 03, 2013, 07:09:48 PM
Sorry
AWESOME work
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: dana44 on August 04, 2013, 07:07:31 PM
Yep, all that little detail work is great, love all of it. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: azblackhemi on August 04, 2013, 07:11:54 PM
Wow Brian Ferny is really coming together! Wasn't a very long test drive but I bet it was a blast. Keep up the good work.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Jacques on October 03, 2013, 11:21:35 PM
I love this topic, thanks for the very detailed pictures of the work you did!

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on November 06, 2014, 11:34:03 AM

Dragging this one back to the top.

Just got Fernando home after a year or more in hibernation. 

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT0413_zps976cdb37.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT0413_zps976cdb37.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/PICT0414_zps3249cd4c.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/PICT0414_zps3249cd4c.jpg.html)

Will be trying to re-wire the entire car from front to rear
 with an after market E-Z wiring harness....we'll see how that goes.
;)   And hope to get all the new glass installed, along with new window
and door seals.  And I'm sure there will be many other projects along
the way.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: dana44 on November 06, 2014, 04:18:13 PM
I don't care what anyone says, I love those grilles. As far as the aftermarket wiring harness goes, if specific for the car it might not be too bad, myself, not a big fan of them all the time. With a wiring diagram, ten colors, right? Connectors can be had at NAPA, go from there.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on November 06, 2014, 05:52:08 PM
The kit was fairly cheap, and I few guys on the old P15-D24 board have used it with good success.  So I took a chance.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: dana44 on November 06, 2014, 07:03:13 PM
OK, you'll probably have good luck with it then. Had one for a '41 Ford and it was horrible. Did my '68 Charger with original wires from three wiring harnesses and had good luck. One thing, in the event you have any wires you need to wrap, go down to the electronics hardware store and get the 3M cloth tape (in black, of course) to wrap everything instead of black plastic electrical tape. Not only is it correct, but it doesn't come apart from oil the way the black plastic tape does.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on November 07, 2014, 06:39:52 AM
Thanks for the advice Ed.  I use the cloth tape that hockey players use on their sticks....think it's basically the same stuff?

And I agree, it doesn't come apart like the vinyl tape does.

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: dana44 on November 07, 2014, 11:34:23 AM
I think that is the same stuff. I don't know how many wiring harnesses I put together with black tape that got sticky and fell apart until I finally found the stuff. The fact it both looks original (other than the cloth loom/tubes), and oil doesn't bother it, which is a biggie with the old vehicles.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Stitcherbob on November 07, 2014, 11:57:47 AM
Where the heck does a Canadian get hockey stick tape? Can't imagine.......

Might be easier to find friction tape but you'd have to import it from the States....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

BTW I thought all they use up there is duct tape:
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Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on November 07, 2014, 02:46:30 PM
Well remember if the ladies don't find you handsome, then the better find you handy....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 07, 2015, 02:21:43 PM

Finally getting off my lazy butt and working on the Desoto.  I am
working on the 12V conversion wiring system, but needed to find a place
to mount the fuse panel.  I did not want to make any new holes in the
car, so I had been looking and thinking about things for several weeks
to come up with a game plan.  Well yesterday was the big day. 

I'm
 only going to be using the passenger side heater, so I had lots of room
 left over on teh drivers side from the dual heater set-up.  So I knew I
 was going to be mounting the fuse panel in that location.  I ended
using the original support bracket for the DS heater as my main mounting
 point.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0004_zpshjbmz4s4.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0004_zpshjbmz4s4.jpg.html)

Changed the bends in the bracket to coincide with where I wanted the fuse box panel to sit.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0005_zpsxvgnuktx.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0005_zpsxvgnuktx.jpg.html)

Then
 I pulled out some scrap stainless I had from behind the shed.  Cut a 6"
 x 6" square and then drilled and tapped a couple holes for mounting the
 fuse panel.  Put a couple long screws in from the back side, with
washers and star lock washers.  Next was a trial fit of the fuse panel
on the new support panel.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0001_zpsrpfmmoze.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0001_zpsrpfmmoze.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0002_zpssudjsjkz.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0002_zpssudjsjkz.jpg.html)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 07, 2015, 02:25:20 PM

Then once I knew the fuse box panel was fine I had to get it mounted
up in the car.  Couple holes, build one small upper bracket off the
E-brake mounting bracket, couple nuts and bolts and it was all in.

Ready to go in....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0007_zps59l7bcbo.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0007_zps59l7bcbo.jpg.html)

All mounted up....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0009_zpsvnag0ndk.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0009_zpsvnag0ndk.jpg.html)

Hope to have the fuse panel in and wiring strung to the appropriate areas in the next week or so.


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: 300rag on March 07, 2015, 03:05:05 PM
Patches is gonna be jealous.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 07, 2015, 06:09:02 PM
Quote from: 300Rag
Patches is gonna be jealous.

Patches Shouldn't be...old Fernando has not had any lovin in almost 2 years....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: dana44 on March 07, 2015, 06:38:01 PM
Wow, has it been that long?
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on March 08, 2015, 08:54:00 AM
It's been 2 years for the Diamond too
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: dana44 on March 08, 2015, 03:26:27 PM
And we haven't seen any pictures of the Diamond lately, either.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 28, 2015, 07:07:18 PM

So I started stringing the wiring through out the Desoto the last few
days.  First I had to sort it and wrap it. I like to use hockey tape to
wrap my wiring, cheap and looks good IMO.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0026_zpsb2jaieeo.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0026_zpsb2jaieeo.jpg.html)

 Had
 to organize it, and wrap it up and tape up as many of the wires so it
would have less things to get caught as it was fed throughout the car.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0027_zpsbvrxbbul.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0027_zpsbvrxbbul.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0029_zpspcd7lidk.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0029_zpspcd7lidk.jpg.html)

I think there is going to be enough wire....;)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 28, 2015, 07:13:41 PM

I first mounted up the fuse box, then tried to tie the new wiring to the
 old wires to drag them up through the pillar post on the drivers side. 
 That did not work since the old cloth wire kept catching on things
inside the pillar.  I eventually had to cut the old wiring and carefully
 drag it out of the pillar.  Then had to feed a stiff wire down through
the pillar and tape the wiring to it and drag it back up and through.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0034_zps0jb6tve6.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0034_zps0jb6tve6.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0033_zpsc2g54any.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0033_zpsc2g54any.jpg.html)

And all strung up above....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0035_zpsglueft3v.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0035_zpsglueft3v.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0036_zpsv5vtzdo5.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0036_zpsv5vtzdo5.jpg.html)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 28, 2015, 07:16:46 PM

Then get it sorted a little better and fed down through the package tray area and into the trunk.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0037_zpslyy9ce6q.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0037_zpslyy9ce6q.jpg.html)

The old rear harness...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0053_zpsbcposrbz.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0053_zpsbcposrbz.jpg.html)

And the new wiring strung....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0050_zpspnrjzjcy.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0050_zpspnrjzjcy.jpg.html)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 28, 2015, 07:20:23 PM

Then it was onto the forward harness.  I was shocked when the wiring fit within the factory firewall grommet and bracket!

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0056_zpsydnyqls2.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0056_zpsydnyqls2.jpg.html)

Again I think it has plenty of wire!

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0055_zpstuvatm2n.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0055_zpstuvatm2n.jpg.html)

And the fuse box and wiring run to the front and back.  It's nice and clean with everything up out of the way.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0058_zpspjxt6p2a.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/March%202015/PICT0058_zpspjxt6p2a.jpg.html)


Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on March 29, 2015, 07:55:24 AM
Hey Brian

You need a spare carb?  Manual trans I assume.
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: dana44 on March 29, 2015, 08:33:50 AM
Looks great, getting a lot done. Love the hockey tape, found the same thing in 3M cloth tape at an electronics store, much more original looking that black sticky plastic electrical tape, which tends to fall apart from oil and heat over time,
Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 31, 2015, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Hey Brian


Twin manifold For the 25" long block?

Title: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on March 31, 2015, 08:14:13 PM
Quote from: dana44
Looks great, getting a lot done. Love the hockey tape, found the same thing in 3M cloth tape at an electronics store, much more original looking that black sticky plastic electrical tape, which tends to fall apart from oil and heat over time,

Thanks!  I agree...I love the cloth tape, compared to that vinyl stuff.

Title: Re: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on September 07, 2015, 12:28:02 AM
Again lost a few months worth of posts....

July 17/2015

Well haven't been updating on Fernando regularly...just too many projects, on too many vehicles etc.

So here is an update from the last few months...

I've slowly been working on the re-wire job. Not having much fun to tell you the truth, so hasn't been high on my "to do" list. I get easily side tracked on other projects. But I have finished the front and rear wiring.

I was able to re-use most of my OEM ligth fixtures, just needed some new guts. I dug into my box's of old misc mopar wiring to help in that project.

Box of misc....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0007_zpsqsviyyph.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0007_zpsqsviyyph.jpg.html)

Old vs new rear taillight wiring and connections...

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0001_zps5nksd5kn.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0001_zps5nksd5kn.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0006_zpsywu1hzut.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0006_zpsywu1hzut.jpg.html)

Then I bought a whack load of new 1,2,3,4,6 and 8 terminal plugs for my wiring connections. I crimped on the new terminal ends, then solder each one, di-electric grease and then shrink tube.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0033_zpscjjx7bl8.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0033_zpscjjx7bl8.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0034_zpsejspicyq.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0034_zpsejspicyq.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on September 07, 2015, 12:30:14 AM
July 14/1015

Back end all finished off....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0032%202_zpst4yxwg84.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0032%202_zpst4yxwg84.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0031%202_zpscrad9zi4.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0031%202_zpscrad9zi4.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0030%202_zps7gx84n9m.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0030%202_zps7gx84n9m.jpg.html)

the green wire is for the reverse lights. I have not installed them yet, and might not since I plan on selling the car. The new owner might decide on a different reverse light set-up, and I did not want to cut up the body.

Title: Re: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on September 07, 2015, 12:33:55 AM
July 14/2015

Once the main wiring harness was through the firewall I had to sort it all out. Three bundles....Front end lights, turn signals etc, then engine compartment wires, and finally all the wires that are not needed...elect fan, AC compressor, etc.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0011_zpsjxl3ryxv.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0011_zpsjxl3ryxv.jpg.html)

Then on to the front end wiring....

Removed the old headlight wiring, and made up all new harness....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0020_zpsssvgdhre.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0020_zpsssvgdhre.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0021_zpsac4apjoo.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0021_zpsac4apjoo.jpg.html)

Then the same for the front turn signal assemblies....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0023_zpsogcrfuqw.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0023_zpsogcrfuqw.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0024_zps4lhcj9xf.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0024_zps4lhcj9xf.jpg.html)

And all wired up neat....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0026%202_zpswlpss94b.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0026%202_zpswlpss94b.jpg.html)

As well as a new set of horns...well used from a 80's Dodge van I believe....

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0028%202_zpsy6kalheq.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0028%202_zpsy6kalheq.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on September 07, 2015, 12:35:30 AM
July 14/2015

And I had to hook up a couple jump wires to see the car with the lights on!

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0029_zps8jy9qhuh.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0029_zps8jy9qhuh.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0030_zpskwnxeape.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0030_zpskwnxeape.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on September 07, 2015, 12:36:16 AM
 :) ;)
Title: Re: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Brian on September 07, 2015, 12:38:55 AM
And I installed all new gauges in the OEM dash...except the speedo. I used Auto meter (Autogage) units, these were your typical 2"-ish gauges. I had to pry them out of their housings, but eventually got them all out.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0016_zpsxrdptux1.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0016_zpsxrdptux1.jpg.html)

Then had to figure out how to mount them to the OEM cluster...without damaging the cluster. That was my main concern. Got them in, not pretty form the back, but think they turned out OK from the front.

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0018_zpsfa11o1df.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0018_zpsfa11o1df.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0020_zps0qjaflur.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0020_zps0qjaflur.jpg.html)

(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv340/thrashingcows/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0023_zpsqyjr2rlo.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/thrashingcows/media/Desoto/July%202015/PICT0023_zpsqyjr2rlo.jpg.html)

I have also had the doors, trunk and ignition re-keyed! And I have ordered new steering column turn signal assembly, headlight switch, heater switch and a few other pieces to make the conversion to 12V a little easier.

That should bring things about up to date.
Title: Re: Project 48 Desoto...aka: Fernando
Post by: Steve on September 07, 2015, 12:45:30 AM
I have a 62 that needs some serious help.  What you doing for the next 2 months?  LOL