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Title: Idle solenoids
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 07, 2010, 04:58:24 AM
When Steve was down here, we pretty much agreed (http://www.chipmunk-scripts.com/smiley/shockedsmiley.jpg) that I need an idle solenoid.
Concurrently, a thread on Moparts got me thinking I gotta do it.
Since my setup is total aftermarket (Eddie Performer manifold w/Holley), I'm kind  of at a loss to how to rig it so thatit's not  (http://www.captainbluehen.com/wp-content/mickey-mouse-face.jpg).  Also, as I try and draw the wiring diagram for it, I'm raising more questions about it.
 
Don't really know what to ask so lets start by my asking if anybody has one on their car now.
Title: Idle solenoids
Post by: Steve on February 07, 2010, 07:09:52 AM
You want the idl4e salonoid to operate with the A/C right?
 
Then it's a simple connection to the compressor circuit and a ground.
 
When out of gear, it will idle slightly higher than it does now, with A/C.  But that will be good because you are loading up at idle right now.  This may help keep it smoother.
Title: Idle solenoids
Post by: Butch Houghton on February 08, 2010, 06:24:06 AM
Holley does have their own brackets & solenoid .    Not cheap though.

http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=holley%20solenoid&dds=1 (http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=holley%20solenoid&dds=1)

Butch





Title: Idle solenoids
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 08, 2010, 06:29:47 AM
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Never in a million years would I have looked there.  Thanks. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: Idle solenoids
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 08, 2010, 06:36:08 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
You want the idl4e salonoid to operate with the A/C right?
Then it's a simple connection to the compressor circuit and a ground. 
I eliminated most of the loading up.  I went down two sizes on the primary jets.
So, that's not a problem.  The problem is the cam is a tad too lopey at idle for an automatic. in a lux-o-liner.  In a GTX, it would be fine.  I'm just trying for perfection...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
Yes, when the A/C compressor kicks in, I want the solenoid to raise the idle rpm.  Like you said, I'll cut into the compressor wire.  Yesterday, I was tired and making it 10X  harder than it really is. 
Title: Idle solenoids
Post by: Steve on February 08, 2010, 07:28:43 AM
Yeah. . .At your age, you only have 10 minutes where you are at your peak. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
Good on the jets.  It is probably running better across the board.
 
I mentioned to look at Holley on Slummit when I was down there.  If you recall the conversation, I said the Edel has one, and I would think the Holley has one too.
 
Senior Moments.
 
Thanks Butch. . .   I guess putting it in writing when he's concentrating works better.
Title: Idle solenoids
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 08, 2010, 08:28:27 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Yeah. . .At your age, you only have 10 minutes where you are at your peak. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
I peaked 42 years ago.  It's been downhill since...
Title: Idle solenoids
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 08, 2010, 09:04:34 AM
I changed my mind.  I thought about this some more. 
I need the high idle.
So what I really need is an anti-diseling solenoid.....  (http://www.massmopar.com/yabb/Smilies/thinking.gif)
Title: Idle solenoids
Post by: Butch Houghton on February 09, 2010, 06:18:02 AM
That's alright.....I think the heat attack just woke me up!    Or maybe it's the better blood flow?  

Just as a thought,  maybe check Rock Auto & your local parts houses just to see if there's any solenoids out there cheaper.   That one is pricey but maybe they all are.

You could probably still use the Holley bracket.

I always took those off & tossed em'! ...LOL!   

Butch


Title: Idle solenoids
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 09, 2010, 06:35:53 AM
Just as a thought,  maybe check Rock Auto & your local parts houses just to see if there's any solenoids out there cheaper.   That one is pricey but maybe they all are.[/QUOTE]
Looked at RockAuto and AutoZone.  Cheapest ones I could find (%^$#-ING sites don't make it easy. "Year? Make? Model?") were generic Chevies for $90. I called the salvage yard.  Same thing: "Year, Make, Model?"  I said , Hey look, all I want is any old solenoid of an old motor, probably a GM for the mid seventies.  "Nah" nothing that far back" (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
EFFING SOB!  If they let me walk that effing yard, I bet I could find one in five effing  minutes!  Jerks!!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)  But nooooooooooooo.  "Insurance regulations prohibit..." Bullpuckey.
Now see what you did.  You got me all cranked up....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)
Title: Idle solenoids
Post by: Steve on February 09, 2010, 08:24:43 AM
It would be the same salonoid!  Just connected to a different place
Title: Idle solenoids
Post by: Butch Houghton on February 09, 2010, 11:27:43 AM
Nope,  if you read that post on the solenoids for the 6BBl ,  those were for anti -dieseling.  Still got one on my 6 Pack but doesn't work anymore cause the cheap repro mounting bracket is cracked about halfway through.

They Energize with the key on & you usually have to open the throttle just a bit to let them extend.  They typically don't have enough strength to open the throttle themselves.   The carbs on the 6BBl Have an arm with a screw that contacts the solenoid plunger & the screw adjust the idle speed .   The curb idle screw set the low idle speed with the solenoid retracted when you shut the key off.

The 4BBl carbs in to ( AVS ) had the solenoid mounted on the pass side rear & contacted an arm over there. 

The Holley solenoid would do the same I bet,  just hook it to IGN 12v so it energizes with the key on instead of when the A/C is on.

Butch


Title: Idle solenoids
Post by: Steve on February 09, 2010, 12:43:48 PM
MMMMMMM
 
Damned Kids  What did I just say?  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
You would set the desired idle with the Holley solonoid and hook it to a different place than the A/C, I.E. Ignition.