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Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: firedome on January 11, 2010, 05:57:14 AM
Lea - as our resident tire expert - what is a good choice for currently
readily available inexpensive currnent production summer/all-season
tires in these sizes (prob get from Tire Rack?):

F78 x 15 for '71 F III...( I'm thinking 215 or 225 x 15? and wheel upgrade to Dippy wheels?)

8.00 x 14 for '58 DeSoto  (if I upgrade the F3 wheels can I use the old 15" wheels on the DeS?)

7.60 x 15 for '56 Packard 



I'm OK with narrow WWs, I can't afford period style Wide WWs for the '56 and '58 right now...


Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 11, 2010, 08:02:56 AM
71 Fury 22575r15
58 Desoto 2157515 or 2257015 using the old F3 wheels They should be the same 5-4 1/2" bolt pattern
the Packard can run 2357515 but I do not know how wide  the rims are.If they are skinny they will not fit perfect.
All these sizes are available cheap at pep boys,Wal mart or as you mentioned Tire rack.
Kelly Tires are cheap and have a good ride ( I have them on the New Yorker)
Hope this helps
Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: firedome on January 12, 2010, 04:14:28 AM
Great - thanks!

Ya the Packard wheels aren't super wide - the same tires as the Fury might work best? - 225s.



Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 12, 2010, 02:23:48 PM
The tires are fine...it is the rims for the packard that may be a problem.
The sectional width of the old rims may not be wide enough for the modern day rubber.
Basically like putting a ship in a bottle.
 
Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: firedome on January 12, 2010, 03:22:28 PM
I do know they weren't the "safety rims" that some other makers adapted around that time.

Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 12, 2010, 03:50:50 PM
Ok,the new style rubber do have certian requirements.
For example,the 2357015 tire requires a 7" wide rim with 6.5 being bare minimum.
If the Packard rims are 5.5",dont bother putting on modern rubber.
You will be squishing the tire inwards--a waste of tire and money.
The sectional tread width of thr factory tire is only 5 inches
Modern radial rubber is 9 inches  more or less.
 
Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 12, 2010, 03:56:15 PM
Quote from: firedome
I do know they weren't the "safety rims" that some other makers adapted around that time.
Pretty much by the mid-late 50's all domestic car manufacturers went tubeless rims.
The "safety" rims were designed to help keep the tubeless tire from coming off the rim in the event of a tire failure.
It is the ridge just a couple inches on the inside of the rim just behind the lip.
 
Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: firedome on January 13, 2010, 03:39:03 AM
What is the width of the stock 71 F3 wheel, and is a 225-75R15 ok on it if I can't find Dippy rims?

Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 13, 2010, 08:55:56 AM
Usually Fusey rims are 15 X 6 or 6.5 and the 22575R15 are fine.

Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: firedome on January 13, 2010, 10:30:13 AM
Sweet!!! Saves me some $$$ for the time being  :-)

I need to put 'em towartds the new GarageMahal!



Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 13, 2010, 12:05:22 PM
Beyond Firedome....er thunderdome
LOL
Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: Robert F. Brogle on January 16, 2010, 03:45:58 AM
Some of this tire stuff is beginning to concern me.  The manufacturers are discontinuing sizes like crazy.  I am investigating having a 15" wheel made to accept the 14" deep dish hubcap.  Even some of the 15" sizes are being dropped.  Let's hope they don't go the way of the 225 75R 14.
Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 16, 2010, 08:44:47 AM
Rob,I will have to dig it out,but there is someone who does custom fit the 14" deep dish onto a larger wheel and still look right.
Seen it done on a 66 Charger,and also Jay Leno had his original wheel covers for his Buick fitted to 17" wheels,and also the RWD Toronado had a similar wheel cover conversion.

Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: firedome on January 17, 2010, 03:47:07 AM
Lea - do you know any internet sellers of the Kellys you mentioned?





Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 17, 2010, 06:44:23 AM
Kelly Tires are owned and built by Goodyear.
Your local Goodyear dealer can order them in .
72 Henry St. in Bingo.
http://www.goodyeardealers.com/cfmx/web/gydealers/results.cfm?lat=42.0986867&lng=-75.9179738&brand=goodyear&lang=en&country=usa&type=tires&ms (http://www.goodyeardealers.com/cfmx/web/gydealers/results.cfm?lat=42.0986867&lng=-75.9179738&brand=goodyear&lang=en&country=usa&type=tires&ms)=
 
I personally do not like the idea of buying broad market tires on-line.
 
Specialty type tires--that's ok.(like the wide white Bias Ply,etc)
 
But the broad market ones should be purchased locally.
NAY:
First,you need to install/balance the on line tires.Shops will charge you and frown upon people buying elsewhere.
Second,any warranty issues you have to dismount the tire and pay to ship it back.
Local shops cannot help you when you did not plan on having a broken belt.
Third, most on line tire orders do not offer road hazard.
YAY:
When you buy locally you;
- get the service you deserve.
- install/balance is usually quoted with the price of the tire when asked.
- any repair or balancing issues can be done on short notice and on the spot. 
- some local shops do offer in-house road hazzard warranty for a minor fee.
- finally, you support your local enonomy buy buying in your town. 
 
CBarge2010-01-17 11:46:09
Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 17, 2010, 06:52:05 AM

YAY:
When you buy locally you;
- get the service you deserve.
- install/balance is usually quoted with the price of the tire when asked.
- any repair or balancing issues can be done on short notice and on the spot. 
- some local shops do offer in-house road hazzard warranty for a minor fee.
- finally, you support your local enonomy buy buying in your town. 
 
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Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 17, 2010, 07:14:53 AM
Quote from: rbrogle
Some of this tire stuff is beginning to concern me.  The manufacturers are discontinuing sizes like crazy.  I am investigating having a 15" wheel made to accept the 14" deep dish hubcap.  Even some of the 15" sizes are being dropped.  Let's hope they don't go the way of the 225 75R 14.
The only company I know that is manufacturing the 2257514 is Diamond Back tires--a specialty tire company.
Coker offers a redline and a wide white.
There are no broad market tire companies that I scoured has a listing anymore.
 
Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: firedome on January 18, 2010, 05:54:03 AM
Lea - what model of Kelly tire for 225-75r15?

I'll call Goodyear, I like the fact they make Kelly... I've generally
bought Goodyears for our daily drivers for decades because I like them
and have had good luck with them, we have Wranglers on our Trooper and
Goodyear (Invicta I think?) all season on the wife's Volvo as we speak.




Title: Current Tires for Vintage Cars
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 18, 2010, 07:08:39 AM
KELLY NAVIGATOR GOLD
(http://www.kellytires.com/kellytires/graphics/Tires/full/000580.jpg)