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Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 17, 2009, 08:03:58 AM
...stuff a 440 into this thing retaining the 4 spped?
 
76 Aspen (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110434167062&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT)
 
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Commando12009-09-17 13:04:30
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Steve on September 17, 2009, 08:12:53 AM
It will work. . . .   Tight. . .
 
Fender well Mods are needed.  You'll need to put a bigger rear in it . . .  If it has an 8 1/4 that will work, but not as well as a 8 3/4.
 
You trying to keep up with the Jones?  LOL
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 17, 2009, 08:36:32 AM
I'd use my 9 1/4.
 
And yes....
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Steve on September 17, 2009, 09:24:01 AM
I'll send down my diamond cutter for ya
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Tom Dawson on September 17, 2009, 09:48:33 AM
There was a Diplomat wagon 440 6 pack on Ebay a while ago-wood grain trim and all-including leather seats-
Tom
Schumaker swap mounts make it drop in
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Steve on September 17, 2009, 11:16:15 AM
It's just the inners that cause a problem. 
 
I saw one with a 383 where the guy heated the inners and pulled them out with a comealong.  Actually looked very good and only slightly weakened it.  I was impressed.
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 17, 2009, 01:36:52 PM
Many weak links-like the rear diff as mentioned--and the transmission is not set up to handle the power of a big block.
Yes it is an A-833 but the OD version without the heavy splines.
An older 4 speed from a muscle B or E will bolt right in.
I would leave the exterior of the car alone but put in a pistol grip shifter.
I had seen several big block conversions on F/M/J platforms.
But for a better balanced car build up a 340 or budget 360.
If you really want to go cheap build a healthy 318 and the OD will still be able to take the abuse.
Or install a T5 5 speed tranny robbed from a Phord Mustwang
Or build up the slant 6 with fuel injection and turbo power!!
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_ZMTRbFNOU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_ZMTRbFNOU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd6hFGzLJMc&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd6hFGzLJMc&NR=1)
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on September 19, 2009, 05:32:26 AM
How 'bout the magnum 380 Stan?
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Steve on September 19, 2009, 06:36:38 AM
Quote from: ardog
How 'bout the magnum 380 Stan?
 
For the benefit of us ignorant old men. . . .
 
What is a Magnum 380?
 
Why not a 44 Magnum and be done with the whole idea!?!
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 19, 2009, 09:49:34 AM
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Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Snotty on September 19, 2009, 03:47:45 PM
If I'm tracking with Brother Ar, it's the 380 horse version of the crate 360.  Is that what you're thinking Ar?
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on September 20, 2009, 06:59:53 AM
Yes right on the nose my brother Snotty!!! Its a Mopar Performance crate engine.
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Steve on September 20, 2009, 07:04:32 AM
I seeeeee   Said the blind man
 
So that's a stroked version of a crate 5.9
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Snotty on September 21, 2009, 10:01:39 AM
No, not stroked, just built.  With the popularity of stroked motors today, MP's original crate motors are being ignored.  They sell stroked small blocks, but they still offer the 360 in various Horsepower ratings; 1 is 380 HP.  The others are less.
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 21, 2009, 10:09:18 AM
I see one manufacturer has a so called "small" block punched and stroked to 440 inches.
Sounds like a ticking time bomb to me.
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: glen cyr on September 21, 2009, 11:51:19 AM
As,Snotty mentioned,...the mopar crate engines are being ignored! These are one of the best deals out there and they actually produce a 408" version w/ 435 hp and 475 lbs of torque w/ over 400 ft.lbs from 2,500 to 5,700 rpm for a little over $6,000. NOW that's impressive!!! I built my stroker from a +.040 340 block and 4.00" stroked crank which equals 418"s. This is the largest you can build without going to the R-3  or simmilar block,but they are very strong as there is less load on the cyl's than even the big blocks. The largest small block is actually made from an R3 block and W9 heads which = 476"s. That 435 hp small block is in Hemi territory,....but with a big weight and cost difference!
 
Glen
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Steve on September 21, 2009, 12:10:13 PM
I knew about the 408. . .   I read a while ago, some dummy went to 440.  I hope it never spun over idle
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 21, 2009, 01:43:19 PM
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IIRC, the /6 K frame may need to be changed out and a V 8 one installed in order to use the Schumacher mounts for the B/RB in the Aspen.
 
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Stitcherbob on September 21, 2009, 06:02:48 PM

How dare you call Ma Mopar a dummy!

http://www.mopartsracing.com/parts/blocks.html#smallblocks (http://www.mopartsracing.com/parts/blocks.html#smallblocks)

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Big block power and cubic inches in a small block package! Mopar’s
new 440 Super Commando small block stroker crate engine gives you over
500 horsepower on pump gas, and offers the compact size of a small
block.
Specifications:

Bore: 4.180" Stroke: 4.000"

Compression Ratio: 10.2:1 (Est.)

Block: New 340 Siamese Block with 4-Bolt Mains

Cylinder Heads: Aluminum

Intake Manifold: Mopar M1 Single Plane

Camshaft: Hydraulic High-Performance – 251º/257º Duration @ .050", .603" Lift

Oil Pan: 8-Quart Center Sump Street/Strip Oil Pan

Crankshaft: Forged 4340

Pistons: Forged

Valves: 2.055"/1.600" Stainless

Connecting Rods: Forged 6.123"

Rocker Arm: Aluminum Roller w/ 1.6:1 Ratio

Note: Shown with available carburetor and air cleaner assembly.



Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Snotty on September 22, 2009, 04:36:24 PM
Bobby, that's not back to topic!
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Brian on September 22, 2009, 07:18:19 PM
Way better off going small block and a 4speed.  The 440 or 383 is just too much weight over the front end and the performance parts for those transverse torsion bar front end set-ups are big $$$. 
 
Keep the weight down over the front wheels and yu will have a more enjoyable all around ride.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 23, 2009, 03:22:18 AM
Quote from: thrashingcows
I could give a darn about comfort.
My idea of an "enjoyable all around ride" is a car that can blow  away any RoadRunner around...
Commando12009-09-23 08:22:58
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: attkrlufy on September 23, 2009, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: Commando1
Quote from: thrashingcows
I could give a darn about comfort.  My idea of an "enjoyable all around ride" is a car that can blow  away any RoadRunner around...
So long as you're both on a track....otherwise that ride can get really "uncomfortable" when you find it's wrapped around a telephone pole 'cause the rear kicks out above 45 mph on a sharp curve.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif)
 
attkrlufy2009-09-23 14:14:11
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Steve on September 23, 2009, 10:13:45 AM
Yer not thinking of Stan building it are you?
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 23, 2009, 10:38:54 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Yer not thinking of Stan building it are you?
You're an (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif)hole.
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: glen cyr on September 23, 2009, 12:22:02 PM
Finding RB headers for that  is going to be impossible! I don't know why everyone is SO hooked on the Big Blocks! There are so many advantages to a small block! I've ran 340's against 440's,455's,454's etc. with my duster and i've spanked plenty! It's all about the combination! A std. 340 weighs 525 lbs while a RB weighs 670! Thats 145 lbs savings over the front end!!! My 418" is light! Add on my ported Eddy's magnums and M1 intake and now it's down to 450-460 lbs.....less than a slant 6! Then you add up the HP at what i est. to be around the 530 mark and put it in that car (maybe 3400 lbs) with some proper mods and you are knocking on the 10.80 et's at 125 mph! Anyone who's ever run in a GOOD small block will attest to that!

Glen
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 23, 2009, 01:21:58 PM
Quote from: owatajrkiam
 I don't know why everyone is SO hooked on the Big Blocks!

Glen
It's all about machoism, testosterone, and penis envy.  C'mon, now.  You know Freud believed that BB's had to do with being weaned too early...
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Stitcherbob on September 23, 2009, 05:38:40 PM
then youse wants a Viper V10......if sheer LENGTH is what floats yer boat!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: Steve on September 23, 2009, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: Commando1
Quote from: POLARACO
Yer not thinking of Stan building it are you?
You're an (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley35.gif)hole.
 
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I got no one else to pick on these days.
Title: Leaburn: How hard would it be to:
Post by: firedome on September 24, 2009, 03:39:01 AM
Heck, if you want macho AND length, yer talkin' Cummins!!  Intercooled turbo-diesel and modded to 500 hp!