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Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Robert Rottman on June 01, 2009, 06:50:51 AM
Hey guys, I'm thinking about getting rid of my old stock points in my 1969 Fury (318) and upgrading to this particular electronic ignition. Pertronix Ignitors 1381A. Has anyone used this particular brand/model for their 62-72 318 V8? Did the conversion go smoothly? Does it perform well as it's advertised? Is this price as good as it gets? 
 
Thanks, Bob
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PERTRONIX-IGNITORS-NEW-MOPAR-1381A_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2ea5605f54QQitemZ200343052116QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PERTRONIX-IGNITORS-NEW-MOPAR-1381A_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2ea5605f54QQitemZ200343052116QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
 
 
 
 



Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Steve on June 01, 2009, 07:43:58 AM
Yes they do.  Most of us use them.  I have a couple installed.  Sure beats points
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Brian on June 01, 2009, 01:38:36 PM
I've run a couple over the years...my 71 440 in the wagon was still points so it got a pertronix conversion...with their flame thrower coil...couldn't be happier!!
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 01, 2009, 04:57:59 PM
Lesseee...71 Coronet,318,The NY'er,The Boab,My buddy Ray's 66 318 Poly,and a whole pile of customers at my shop.
Any problems?? NO
As mentioned,go with a fresh coil with the upgrade.
You can bump up your timing ,gap the plugs a little more and fatten the idle mixture for better response and overall fuel economy and will have great bottom end pick up.
Just install the kit,hook up the positive wire to the + of the coil and the black wiore to the - of the coil.Done.Fine tune from there.
I find it easier to install with the dizzy out of the car.Make sure you mark where the rotor is pointing,that's all.
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Robert Rottman on June 07, 2009, 05:48:21 AM
Does this Pertronix Ignitor (link below)...replace the points and condensor or just the points. I want to buy tuneup parts for my 69 Fury 318...just wondering what parts I should not buy if I order the Pertronix in the mean time...The ad doesn't explain...I suppose I could contact the seller...but it just might be easier asking you guys...if you know what I mean...
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PERTRONIX-IGNITORS-NEW-MOPAR-1381A_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2ea5605f54QQitemZ200343052116QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PERTRONIX-IGNITORS-NEW-MOPAR-1381A_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2ea5605f54QQitemZ200343052116QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
 
 
novice Bob....(can you believe I've never installed electronic ignition?) I'm stuck in the 70's
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Steve on June 07, 2009, 08:04:59 AM
No Prob Bob
 
All you really need is the distributor kit.  It uses the stock rotor and is easy as heck to install.  It's like setting a set of points, but easier.  Gives a heck of a spark
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on June 07, 2009, 02:28:56 PM
A friend of mine just put one on his 59 Savoy and is VERY happy with it he said,"Why didn't I do this first!!!"  He has a tri-power set up on it (put on by the previous owner) and couldn't get it to run right so he put the Petronics on it out of the blue and he says its like a new car it runs sooooooo much better!!!! I say go for it!!! 
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Dan Cluley on June 08, 2009, 12:20:55 AM

I've been thinking about doing this as well.  Looked on ebay a couple of times over the last week, but didn't see what I needed.
 
Now I see there are 2 "r"s in pertronix (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)
 
Two questions,
 
There seems to be the Ignitor, and the Ignitor II   any thoughts on whether the II is worth the extra money.
 
D Cluley2009-06-08 05:37:14
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 08, 2009, 01:42:43 AM
THe ignitor I kit will do you just fine,Dan.
In my opinion,running an old coil with the upgrade is like running a new alternator with a bad battery---not a good idea.
Using a fresh coil with the Pertronix allows you to take full advantage of the upgrade.Using your old coil is OK,but for the 40 bux it takes for a fresh one-why not?
CBarge2009-06-08 06:43:41
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Butch Houghton on June 08, 2009, 06:15:07 AM
And just to answer your question Bob,  the points & condenser go away with the Pertronix.  You still use the rotor & of course the cap.

I've only put one in a customers car & it was a vast improvement.    Course I'm still partial to the factory conversion myself but the Pertronix works just as good & is cheaper by far.

Do it,  you'll love it.

Butch


Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Steve on June 08, 2009, 07:23:00 AM
Done right, you can keep the car looking stock
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Robert Rottman on June 08, 2009, 08:12:45 AM
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Yes...Thank you for answering my question Butch...So as I'm waiting for my Ignitor I and Flamethrower coil to come in the mail...I can get the rest of the tune up parts (less the points + condensor)...That's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks Butch!! I guess its "been there done that" for all these guys...They skimmed over my question...but you see...I've never done the conversion...so now I'll know...Thanks again...
Bob
 
Bob
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Steve on June 08, 2009, 09:06:29 AM
MMMM   I thought I answered all your questions Bob.  I guess not.  I think there was a certain amount of assumption too.
 
Sorry Bout that. 
 
Hey are you accusing us of being post jumpers? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Robert Rottman on June 08, 2009, 09:24:19 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
MMMM   I thought I answered all your questions Bob.  I guess not.  I think there was a certain amount of assumption too.
 
Sorry Bout that. 
 
 
No...not post jumpers Steve....maybe skimmers! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) You are such a humble man Steve...Thank you so much...no apology necessary though. Most of you guys have fixed so many cars/problems that you just skim/ miss the very basic "stunad" (that's italiano for stupid) questions that I ask...Butch fixed me up, so no problem buddy...I wrote the e-bay guy selling them... Here's what he wrote...Thought you guys might be interested in this:
 
Thanks back for the info.I want you to try something when you get this combo????Install the Ignitor and test drive it and see how well it preforms and then come back and install the coil?I did that to my shop truck when I had some extra time on my hands.I was running the Ignitor for about a year with might have been a 25yr old coil and I THOUGHT IT WAS RUNNING GOOD,hahhaha.I replaced the old coil with the new Pertronix coil and it made a huge difference that the truck even SOUNDED different.From that day forward,I was convinced that a person that buys the Ignitor really needs a good,fresh coil to get the best results possible.If you like,email me back your # and I can call you.I will be here at the 1- 850 -857-1084 till about 8pm tonight.    thanks    Matt
 
This adds ammo to what Leaburn said!!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)Leaburn(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)Thumbs up to you buddy!
Oh...by the way, He sells the combo (ignitor I and flamethrower coil for $103.00...that's with shipping) I thought that was good....$70.00 just for the Ignitor I...so that's only $33.00 for the coil. This is the cheapest price I have found...by a lot...Here's the link again for any of you guys that may be interested in purchasing...
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200343052116&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:MOTORS:1123 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200343052116&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:MOTORS:1123)
 
furyfever2009-06-08 20:35:39
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 08, 2009, 03:24:39 PM
We install Pertronix at my shop often.
I have three very good mechanics that dont mind working on the old stuff,and I am confident in their workmanship.
This 58 Buick came in after the owner spent big bux at the local Buick dealer  thinking "they know these cars".I told him the people who used to work  with these cars on a regular basis are retired or pushing daisies.
It came in after it blew out both mufflers after backfiring since the points and timing and carb were so messed up.It could not drive itself out of a wet paper bag and idled way too high.
After installing Cherry Bombs,Pertronix,setting the carb up the car now purrs like a kitten.I also sold him the bias wide whites,too!!
He drives the wheels off this thing and loves the sound of the big 364 4bbl.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/cars/anewtoytoplaywith011.jpg)
 
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Steve on June 08, 2009, 05:13:40 PM
Ahhh  Leaburn
 
You know we don't let dirty pictures on the site
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 08, 2009, 06:04:15 PM
More dirty pictures;(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif)
We found out why it idled high.Kink in vacuum line for power brake booster had vacuum leak...This also explained why the brakes were hard to press..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/cars/anewtoytoplaywith014.jpg)
Looks like some previous "mechanic" installed the 90 degree fitting and pushed down on the line so he could install the air cleaner.Doing so also caused the throttle linkage jam against it.This car required you to press the gas pedal all the way to the floor to start it.(note solenoid on left side of carb attached to throttle linkage)
We replaced the damaged line and used a proper pipe bender,cut and used fittings .Clears linkage and air cleaner and power brakes work perfect.No vacuum leaks.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/cars/anewtoytoplaywith015.jpg)
Sorry for the (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif)
Butt I like to (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)Steve,LOL!!
 
 
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Robert Rottman on June 09, 2009, 03:51:03 AM
That's no problem with me Leaburn!...Cool...I always love your tutorials. I ordered the Pertronix 1 with the Flamethrower coil last night. $103.00 from ponderosamustangco on E-Bay. I have a 160* thermostat ready for Big Red when I'm done flushing with Dawn. Hopefully the car will be ready for a 90 minute ride to Liverpool...Its coming up soon! Are you making the trip this year Lea?? 
 
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Robert Rottman on June 13, 2009, 07:09:31 AM
Leaburn, Question for you. I have received my pertronix ignitor and flamethrower coil.  # 19 in directions states: For installations that use a primary ballast resistor or resistance wire connect the Ignitor red wire to the ignition switch side of the resistance. (see figure 3)
 
Figure three shows the red wire from the pertronix ignitor goes all the way over to one side of the ballast resitior on the fire wall and the black wire goes to the flamethrower coil (negative side)
 
Is this is the ballast resistor they're talking about Leaburn?? The infamous Chrysler ballast resistor on the firewall...the white ceramic thingy that burns out occasionally and then you can't start the car?? 
 
Is this indeed the right way to wire this new pertronix ignitor?? I thought (before I read the directions) that somebody here...maybe you? said the red wire from the ignitor and the black wire both go to the coil...  +/- respectively... 
 
Bob
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Steve on June 13, 2009, 07:43:38 AM
Nahhh
 
Like we said before. . . .  Just put the red to the + side of the coil and the black to the minus(-) side of the coil.  Does the same thing.  The unit will perform the same and you don't have to mess with wiring
 
POLARACO2009-06-13 12:47:25
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Robert Rottman on June 13, 2009, 10:39:50 AM
Steve, Will wiring the pertronix ignitor directly to the coil just bypass the ballast resistor then?...basically rendering the ballast resistor useless? Doesn't the ballast resistor put resistance in the ignition circuit that's necessary to keep something from burning out?
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Steve on June 13, 2009, 11:50:53 AM
Absolutely not.  The coil runs on the ballast.  That's because the Chrysler Coil uses a external resistor. 
 
That's why we told you to do that.  If the car were rewired and the coil was an internal resistor, then you would have to put a 8 VDC supply to the pertronix.
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Dan Cluley on June 13, 2009, 04:49:47 PM
Bob,
 
Did you order directly from the guy?  I don't see the ignitor & coil deal on ebay.
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Robert Rottman on June 13, 2009, 06:39:40 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PERTRONIX-IGNITORS-NEW-MOPAR-1381A_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2ea5605f54QQitemZ200343052116QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PERTRONIX-IGNITORS-NEW-MOPAR-1381A_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2ea5605f54QQitemZ200343052116QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)





 
Dan, This is the link to the 1381a Ignitor I for 60- 72 Mopars w/ V8 engine. He sold the coil and ignitor both to me for $103.00 to my door. I see he'll do them for $100.00 now! Hmmm...His name is Matt...a real nice guy...
furyfever2009-06-13 23:46:26
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Robert Rottman on June 21, 2009, 06:10:17 AM
I installed the Ignitor EI and Flamethrower Coil yesterday...set the gap to .030" per directions...started the car. It fired right up...hooked the timing light up....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif)Wow(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif)...What a noticeable difference in the brightness of the timing light flash!!...I could barely see it before (with the points in place).....now with the pertronix in, it's blinding. The timing was way off...way retarded...so I adjusted it up to TDC...locked it down. Now it's ready for a test run (when it stops raining)...I'll let you all know how it goes...
 
Bob
 
furyfever2009-06-21 22:52:14
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Stan Paralikis on June 22, 2009, 03:08:42 AM
Another happy customer.... (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: Pertronix ignitors 1381A
Post by: Steve on June 22, 2009, 08:07:54 AM
They can be used in replacement for the Chrysler pick up as well.  Just have to wire them together correctly.  Pretty sure the ignition box produces 8 volts as well.  But you'd have to check