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Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Steve on May 30, 2009, 07:03:09 PM
Bob Called it Big Red, so I guess I can keep that name. . . .
 
Well, it's begun.  It will be done is stages, but at least something is happening. . . .
 
The 383 was stuck.  Anyone trying to remove just an engine with a Torque converter attached in a C. . . Well you know. . . Lots of grunting and groaning trying to clear the cross member with the Pan.
 
For the first time I had a chance to actually look at the car.  I threw a battery in it, nothing was working so I checked into that.  It was obvious someone was fooling around with the wiring. . .  It's kind of ugly.  But with some solder and shrink wrap, I can fix it.  The main feed wire to the bulk head connector had burned for some reason. . . I ran a jumper and the car lit right up.  The guy who fixed this put a wire from the Starter relay to the bulkhead.  There used to be a fuseable link there.  Nothing worked which is probably why the car was abandoned and then later stripped of some parts.  It might have helped if he stripped the insulation off the wire before making the connection. . . . . . (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
 
Anyway. . .here is the beginnings of a love affair.  Even though it's missing the drive shaft and a few other pieces, I'm going to like this car.
 
Engine just pulled
 
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Freeze plug popped. . .there's 2  on the other side.  It just had water in it.  In New Jersey????
 
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Cleaned up and squeaky clean. . . Well not quite that good.  The grease and dirt combo was 2" thick in places.  I was amazed the kick down worked with all the crud on the trans.. . .
 
 
 
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NIce Fresh 413 all ready to go in.  All I have to do is work out the Motor mount on the left side.  This engine got a hotter cam, the heads were ported slightly, has a windage tray, all new pistons, rings, bottom end was all redone .010 over.  It ran great.  Getting a mini starter in this baby.  (Since that's what I have laying around.)  Not to mention, I just put a BIG hole in my garage. . .
 
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What do you think I should do with the 383?  Open it up and see if I can unstuck it, then sell it?  Scrap it?  Strip anu good shtuff and scrap it?  What???
POLARACO2009-05-31 00:12:42
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Jessica on May 30, 2009, 07:47:23 PM
Ooooh... Aaaaah.... :)
 
 
JSands2009-05-31 00:47:51
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Stan Paralikis on May 31, 2009, 03:02:06 AM
A stuck 383 isn't worth the effort.  Save the heads, though.
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Robert Rottman on May 31, 2009, 06:10:48 AM
Way to go Steve....So you have a Big Red now too? Thats what I call my 69 Fury. That vintage Chrysler C was one of the best designs IMO. Bring her back strong (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)...Man you have a lot of energy!furyfever2009-06-01 09:00:47
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on May 31, 2009, 02:38:43 PM
I agree with Jess!!! can't hurt to try,if it doesn't unstick then keep the goodies and scrap the rest. Its not like we are tripping over 383s like we are 350 chebbies!!!!
ardog2009-05-31 19:42:24
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Mike on May 31, 2009, 03:08:29 PM
Steve, if you needed help with the 413 I woulda came and helped.

Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Steve on May 31, 2009, 04:19:19 PM
I didn't get it in yet.
 
I have to change the front seal on the trans.  But I did get the motor mount in.  Like I said, I drilled and tapped into the water jacket.  Put some sealer on the bolts, Have a nice day.  I'm going to modify the inside of the bracket to catch both bolts and weld the leg to the main bracket.
 
Yeah I know, it's not the right color
 
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POLARACO2009-05-31 21:20:02
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: 300rag on May 31, 2009, 04:35:07 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
 But I did get the motor mount in.  Like I said, I drilled and tapped into the water jacket.  Put some sealer on the bolts, Have a nice day. 
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What size bolts did you use?   Fine thread or coarse? I might have to go this route with my 67 440.
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Steve on May 31, 2009, 05:34:58 PM
The originals were 7/16 (16) Coarse  Because of the differences in the blocks on that corner, you'll have to grind a bit off the bottom of the bracket and take a 16th off the casting on top of the oil pump so you can turn the bolt.
 
The upper one is a bit tougher.  It's so close to the wall, I had to go in on a slight angle.
 
I put some sealant on the threads so it doesn't leak
 
3/8-16 X 3/4" on the lower one and 3/8-16 X 1" on the top.  On the back side of the bracket, I am going to take a piece of flat stock and put it to the lower bolt hole in the casting.  On an angle, I am going to weld it to the bracket to prevent any extra stress on the front bolts.  While the pulled up tight, that block isn't super think there.  It won't be a race car that's for sure.
 
I was going to change the frame.  But the K frame I got was going to be allot more work.
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Stan Paralikis on June 01, 2009, 03:23:41 AM
OK, help me out here.  I'm confused about all this engine mount stuff you're going through.   Why all the fabrication?  Why aren't the mounts a plug and play situation?

Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Steve on June 01, 2009, 05:14:01 AM
65 is a 0ne year only set up.  Not only is it the first and only year for a cable driven slide yoke trans. . . It's also the only year for this funky left engine mount and block.  The engine mount is OK, but the block has dogs cast into it to bolt it too
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 01, 2009, 05:57:44 PM
Big Red is a nice car.
This should be a fun project since Steve has all the essentials to make Big Red a nice complete functioning driver/cruiser.
After seeing it in person and now with some cleaning he will be a sharp ride.
You gonna wing it with the tranny?? Or get it rebuilt?
The engine bay cleaned up well.
So,is  the Voab on hold?
My border crossings are on hold until I get my passport.
 
 
 
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Steve on June 02, 2009, 07:35:29 PM
My Pass Port hasn't arrived yet.  Elaine got hers. . .
 
No, the VOAB is not on hold. . .  I wanted to get the engine in Big Red to make a hole in the Garage.  I have a bunch of stuff to do on it.  I have a window and regulator coming so I can get it closed up.  I'll have the electrics running as the car will be.  Just won't have any brakes. 
 
The front end bushings are wiped. . . But it appears to have recent shocks.  Needs an Idler arm otherwise.  This is the first car I have gotten that has had some money put in the front end.
 
I'll probably slip those 73 spindles into it.  I have a booster and new Master I grabbed from a Monaco I stripped.  Lots of parts laying around I can put to work.
 
This motor swap is kicking my ass.  I am going to pull it back out tomorrow.  I think I may have missed seating the converter properly.  I just can get the trans and enging to do that little "Flop".  I finished reinforcing the left engine mount.  I have to take a click of it when I get it back out.  I forgot and I had it in the air when it started to pour. . .Figures
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: glen cyr on June 03, 2009, 04:48:56 PM
If the torque converter doesn't seat,check to see if there is a pilot bearing in the crank as it may have come from a car with std. trans!
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Steve on June 03, 2009, 05:03:05 PM
No they were both autos. . . .
 
I meant the converter didn't seat in the pump.  I know I had it and it must have slipped out with all the bumping around.  I finally got it back in today.  But it's raining so I'll try tomorrow
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Robert Rottman on June 04, 2009, 04:09:18 AM
You need to get some fine Amish boys down there to build you a garage Steve. I can't believe you do the amount of work you do on cars all outside. You are AMAZIN!!!
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Steve on June 04, 2009, 05:50:15 AM
Have those Amish boys bring property stretchers too.   I Live on a postage stamp.
 
POLARACO2009-06-04 19:05:27
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Robert Rottman on June 04, 2009, 05:57:01 AM
OOPs...sorry Steve, I guess I have it in my mind that you had quite a bit of property. I remember those photos of last years get together in that rather large parking lot...where you guys had your C's....where you were choking Mobby over the hood of his/someone's car? I thought that get together was at your house. 
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Steve on June 04, 2009, 02:12:01 PM
We did.  That was up the street in a local parking lot.
 
Look at the picture of my trailer all lit up.  That's how wide my driveway is.  Trailer just makes it down in there and it's a talent to gte it into the driveway to start.  Like threading a needle.
 
Anyway. . Back to the subject
 
I finally got the 413 in.  Turns out the bushing for the front pump slipped out when I pulled the engine with the converter.  Further exam of the trans says it's toast as I suspected.
 
I have two ways I can go.  Get a 66 Steering column and put a later 727 in.  (I have 2) buy the rebuilt Trans Jack has (Leaburns Buddy) or transfer the guts from a good trans to this one.  Problem is, I think this trans still has a rear pump where the later ones do not.  I am sure this front pump is going to be a problem child.
 
Decisions Decisions
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Dan Cluley on June 05, 2009, 01:52:41 AM
Don't know when they switched, but '65 definitely should have the rear pump.
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Steve on June 06, 2009, 04:25:29 PM
It   Is    ALLLLIIIIIIIIIVE
 
I threw the wiring in and gave it a whack.  Started right up.  Well sorta.  I thought the timing was out 180 and switched the disty around.  Turns out I wired the cap off one and a valve was stuck open. . . Ugh.  Well, that it for big red for now.  Tomorrow I'll tighten the motor mounts and take it back to storage for a while.  I have to wait for the window and regulator I need for the drivers door and a drive shaft anyway.  My parts guy forgot to get me rad hoses too.  I have to change the water pump housing to the 383 because all the holes in this one are either the wrong size or in the wrong place.
 
Bringing the 50 home tomorrow. . .   First order of business is the nose comes off.  Then I will bring the 5th Ave down and rip the nose off.
 
Anybody have any A/C compressor brackets for an RB?  I forgot about that.  All I have are brackets for a B
 
 

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Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Jessica on June 06, 2009, 06:32:52 PM
50? What 50?
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 06, 2009, 06:54:12 PM
Steve,you forgot I gave you a p.window motor/regulator last August you got from Nigel.It is in a box somehwere in your garage.
CBarge2009-06-06 23:54:29
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Steve on June 06, 2009, 06:56:32 PM
Still need the glass
 
What garage?  You mean that garbage dump?
 
The purpose of putting the engine in was to make a hole in the garage so I can make some sense of it.
 
Jess. . .I have a 50 Chrysler I am going to hot rod.
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Jessica on June 06, 2009, 08:46:58 PM
No kiddin'? Didn't know that. Sounds like a fun project. Can't wait to see it. Now, where are you putting this one? :)
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: azblackhemi on June 09, 2009, 06:31:59 PM
Hey Steve, Didn't I give you a door glass with the car? It's been a while and my memory aint what it used to be but I thought I put one in the car.
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Steve on June 10, 2009, 06:17:02 AM
If you did, it's not in the car any longer.
 
Where'd the drive shaft go?
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: AJ on June 11, 2009, 05:58:03 AM
Quote from: Commando1
A stuck 383 isn't worth the effort.  Save the heads, though.
 
Agreed
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Tom Dawson on June 28, 2009, 12:42:48 PM
Quote from: Commando1
A stuck 383 isn't worth the effort.  Save the heads, though.
 
 
I think any big block Mopar is worth saving-even the lowly 383-they have lots of potential
in the stroke department
Tom
Title: Big Red. . .It has begun
Post by: Rich on August 29, 2009, 08:02:05 PM

Quote from: furyman67
Quote from: Commando1
A stuck 383 isn't worth the effort.  Save the heads, though.
 
 
I think any big block Mopar is worth saving-even the lowly 383-they have lots of potential
in the stroke department

I agree -- the 383 can make 450 horsepower very easily and cheaply. All you need is a cam, intake, and some  headers and away you go.