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Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 15, 2009, 02:46:08 PM
Some of you know I have an 86 5th Ave.
 
I finally got to work on the engine today.  It was assumed it has a bad head gasket.  Now I don't know.  What ever it is, it sucks the rad down pretty darned fast.  It's not going into the crankcase like Bobs.  I am wondering now if a head is cracked and it's just going out the tail pipe.  Take a look at the plugs and you'll see why.  None of them are clean from steaming in the cylinder.
 
Before I dig deeper into this, I just want to throw this out on the floor  Pictures tell allot.
 
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  #8      #6         #4           #2                     #7                   #5                     #3             #10
 
 
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POLARACO2009-04-02 18:07:37
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Ken on March 15, 2009, 04:00:27 PM

I would look somewhere else, like the thermostat housing, hoses, radiator and the heater, 'cause I'm not seeing anything that would cause me to worry with those pictures....unless your timing chain cover has a hole eaten into it too (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)

Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 15, 2009, 04:04:44 PM
I said, I am not getting any antifreeze in the oil.
 
No extrernal leaks either.  That's out
 
I got the exhaust manifolds back so I could peer into the holes.  No evidence there either.  But the staining color of the water is whitish.  That indicates exhaust gases.  But the car didn't over heat.  I could pour a gallon of antifreeze in there and it would be gone in 10 minutes. 
 
This thing is kicking my butt (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 15, 2009, 04:51:27 PM

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We all know LAheads are notorious for cracking.
Gotta go with the odds if the obvious doesn't show...

Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 15, 2009, 05:04:54 PM
Cracked head or bad heater core??
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Ken on March 15, 2009, 05:10:37 PM
Leak from the exhaust manifold mounting studs at the ends of the heads, since they DO go into the coolant jacket...that's my guess

Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 15, 2009, 05:33:55 PM
maybe his new transmission is full of antifreeze now(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif)

Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: glen cyr on March 15, 2009, 05:38:37 PM
Here's a great article on the 302 and 345 heads!.  http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/ml-pitchercastingheadarticle.html (http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/ml-pitchercastingheadarticle.html)  They are notorious for cracking and finding a good set is hard to do! If it's cracked on the underside of the exhaust valve,..it will evaporate that anti-freeze and you're plug color will not change because it's down wind so to speak!  Yea,BOB,...I've seen a rad fail before and the anti-freeze goes in the tranny from the cooler lines!owatajrkiam2009-03-15 21:40:37
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 15, 2009, 06:37:14 PM
Hah Hah. .  I already looked there.  It would have been in there when the trans was rebuilt too.  Remember, this thing has been doing this since I got it.
 
Chris
 
Believe it or not, I got lucky.  Leaburn and I stripped an 89 last summer which had a good set of heads on it.  Just incase, I had those heads done.  So they are on deck, ready to install.  Now all I have to do is get the exhasut manifolds off.  Hardest part of the job.  My guy Magnafluxed them fro me too
 
Thanks for those articles.  I'll be readin them suckers.
 
BTW, I managed to get the exhaust manifolds back enough to see in the ports.  They all look the same.  Mannn-o man  I guess I'll just have to get further into it.
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 15, 2009, 06:59:09 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Cracked head or bad heater core??
 
It's not a heater core. . .After 3 gallons of antifreeze in about 30 minutes of total running, you would think it would show somewhere
 
When I took the intake off, it was bone dry.  I have been only running this for minutes at a time.
 
I'll find it.  My original instancts said bad gasket or bad head.  That's why I took the heads off a good running engine
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 15, 2009, 08:06:46 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
 
You mean WE  did,LOL!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 15, 2009, 09:17:48 PM
Here's a question....I've seen the huge white clouds from combusting glycol antifreeze....but mostly on older cars or diesel trucks. And usually that's on the highway or under acceleration. But will a modern catalytic convertor heat up enough to burn glycol with no white smoke? How about if the car isn't accelerating? Just idling or around town, as Steve's 5th Ave hasn't really been used to it's full potential yet...

Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 15, 2009, 09:46:15 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Quote from: POLARACO
 
 
Who made the decision?
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 15, 2009, 09:48:59 PM
Quote from: stitcherbob
Here's a question....I've seen the huge white clouds from combusting glycol antifreeze....but mostly on older cars or diesel trucks. And usually that's on the highway or under acceleration. But will a modern catalytic convertor heat up enough to burn glycol with no white smoke? How about if the car isn't accelerating? Just idling or around town, as Steve's 5th Ave hasn't really been used to it's full potential yet...
 
If a diesel is belching white smoke, it has a problem
 
The cats get up to 1400 degrees some times, so I would have to say yes.  But, on cold days, you would see an extraudinary amount of steam from the tail pipe.  I think
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: glen cyr on March 16, 2009, 12:28:01 PM
So we've basically narrowed it down to going out the exhaust if it ain't on the ground,oil pan,trans,etc. I'm pretty sure that cat will evaporate every last drop of glycol!. It would be nice to nail it down to which bank,...or i guess if you're doing one,ya' might as well do both with all fresh gaskets,..EH! 



Glen Wejustdontsayehwetypeitalso
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 16, 2009, 12:45:22 PM
Yeah Glen
 
I'm thinking I have multiple cylinders on the left bank.  If you look at #3 and 5  you'll see they are cleaner and I think # 4 & 6 are the same way.  I was looking at the plugs today again and they don't have puffy black on them.
 
I think the fooling part now is there is no water at all in the engine so it blackend the plugs up because it running poorly.  (PCV is broken)
 
During the week I will get the left exhaust manifold off and see what I have.
 
I am pretty sure this car was over heated at one time.  There is a new water pump in there and that job was poorly done also.  It all but leaks.  It's just got 32,000 miles of real bad abuse on it, but it will be a real nice car when I am done. . .
 
Now I need the headliner and some trim done. . . (Hint Hint)  Once the heads are done, the rest is a cake walk. 
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Bill Mounteer on March 16, 2009, 05:13:12 PM
Not sure how you can lose "gallons" of antifreeze without seeing some indication - unless its a blown heater core and your carpet is floating!

Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 16, 2009, 07:42:48 PM
All that antifreeze in the cat will damage it..
Once you figure it out,you may want to think about installing a cheap cat in there to keep the smog Nazi guys happy.
 
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 16, 2009, 07:47:17 PM
Carpets are dry
 
I know Lea. . .  But I'll worry about it when the time comes
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 17, 2009, 07:04:16 AM
Yeah, he has a long wood boring bit that will take care of that cat convertor......(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Robert Rottman on March 17, 2009, 09:26:32 AM
And I thought my problem was a doozy...Where in the heck could all that antifreeze be going? Gotta be out the exhaust! All your plugs look the same except for that center one...That one looks very black...other than that, all your photos look pretty normal.... Sorry to hear about this Steve. On the positive side...You have the right guys thinkin about it..(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
furyfever2009-03-17 14:34:35
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Brian on March 17, 2009, 10:08:00 AM
I have had a similar problem with small block dodges in the past as well.  It happened with changing the intake. The gasket for the water cross over on the front or rear of the motor would not seal properly and the intake passage would suck the coolant right out of the motor and send it out the exhaust....would drain the rad in a few minutes.
 
I suspect this is what has been happening and as stated because of the cat you are not seeing the whtle glycol steam out the exhaust.
 
 
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Robert Rottman on March 17, 2009, 10:19:29 AM
Man...this news makes me worry even more about my intake work on both my 318's now. I'm going to keep a keen eye on my oil and my antifreeze from now on. furyfever2009-03-17 14:47:27
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 17, 2009, 03:36:53 PM
Heh
 
Well they all look the same, except 1, 3, 5 and 6.  It turns out there is no water in the engine so the plugs got blackened by the poor running.  1,3,5 were clean and just have a fresh layer of soot because of the broken EGR. 
 
Damned glasses.. .My eyesite is getting worse.
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Robert Rottman on March 17, 2009, 04:10:56 PM
You need some damned kids over there to look at those plugs for ya Steve!...Where's Mob and P when ya need em? Get over there and be Steve's eyes for a night.!! I know what ya mean Steve...man o  man I just started to loose the close up stuff recently...really frustaratin!!
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Bill Mounteer on March 17, 2009, 09:19:53 PM

Yup - first the close vision starts to go and you find yourself holding things out at arms length. Then you find your arms are too short. So off you go for new glasses - but - now you notice you need more light to see small stuff and driving at night starts to get iffy. You have to drag everything with small letters over to a window so you can see it in bright sun. Not sure what's next - maybe a white cane. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)

I have discovered that a small keychain flashlight (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000XDH0YI/ref=asc_df_B000XDH0YI743330/?tag=prontocom12925-20&creative=380333&creativeASIN=B000XDH0YI&linkCode=asn) with LED bulbs is nice and bright and quickly becomes your best friend! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)  The one in the link is identical to mine, except mine says IBM.

Fury4402009-03-18 03:12:37
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: firedome on March 18, 2009, 06:54:41 AM
Re: cracking heads:  it seems that's mostly a problem in the later small blocks - ie M bodies? 

I never saw a cracked  head on a a pre-74 318/340/360... for that
matter on a -pre '81 engine.  Casting quality was much better
then, apparently.



Re: Cats - the ethylene glycol doesn't necessarily evaporate - any
visible white would be only steam/water vapor, the glycol would be
burned /altered in combustion, which is hotter than the cat temp and
the precious metal catalytics (platinum,palladium etc) would not
chemically react with those products as they are not "designed" to do
so, so the glycol combustion products will go straight out the pipe but
are probably not visible... 



Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: R. Dave Carr on March 20, 2009, 11:56:59 AM
I would think the steam would be visiblebefore the cat heats up.
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 20, 2009, 01:11:04 PM
That car won't be heating up for a bit yet
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: firedome on March 20, 2009, 01:15:25 PM
So what years had head cracking issues... Leaburn??

Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 20, 2009, 01:30:16 PM
Oh it's in the Mid 80's when they went to close chamber heads
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 20, 2009, 03:06:34 PM
302 heads,starting in 1985.Replaced bty the Maggie heads in 1991-92

Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 21, 2009, 02:54:24 PM
Well for the life of me, there are no physical signs of intrusion of water in the engine except. . .
 
A ting of rust in #1 and #5 Cylinders.  The head gasket and the head surface looks perfect.  However, the exhaust valves in 1, 3, and 5 are soaked.  It looks like oil, but doesn't feel like it in my fingers.
 
This thing is kicking my butt.  I have the left side done and buttoned up.  I have to take the exhaust manifold out of the right side now.  Seems there isn't enough room to work as it is, let alone with the manifold on.  It took me all afternoon to R & R  the left head.
 
I'll get some pics later
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 21, 2009, 04:10:52 PM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/HG186.GIF)





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(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/HEAD286.jpg)

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/HEAD386.jpg)
 
It's not too clear, but if you look closely, the valves are pretty clean.  Makes me think there is a catostrophic valve guide failure.  I didn't see anything in the cylinder walls and the block surface was less then .02 out of plane.
 
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/HEAD486.jpg)
 
Tomorrow I'll get the right exhaust manifold off and swap the head.  I should be able to get it at least running again tomorrow.  Before I tackle the timing chain
 
BTW Lea. . .   You were right, there is a cross over tube.  It was neatly hidden.  My Bad(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley21.gif)
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 21, 2009, 06:54:21 PM
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Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 21, 2009, 07:12:46 PM
I got this 318 doin that. . .I don't need you too (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 21, 2009, 07:13:33 PM
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Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 31, 2009, 02:40:54 PM
The good news is I finally got to the right head today.  I finally figured out if I take the support bracket off the exhaust under the car, I can move the exhaust manifold enough to get to the head bolts.  I can get to one Y-pipe bolt, but for the life of me can't figure out how you're supposed to get to the other bolt.  Well anyway. . . .
On examination of this side, it was definitely leaking past the head gasket on # 4 and 6.  Possibly #8 as well.  4 and 6 are egg shapped a bit.  You can see where the rings are not rubbing on the cylinder walls.  While it doesn't smell like it inside the motor, I am lead to believe this car was severely over heated at one time.  Probably explains the new water pump and hoses.  This head had water in it though.  That tells me the other side was allot worse.
 


So the cylinder count is 4 with rust in the cylinders and 2 with indications of possible a small leak.  While cleaning the block surface, I encountered a mark between a water port and the outside of the block.  Because of where it was, it was hard to run the cleaner disc on the air drill in that spot.  Blew 45 Minutes making sure it wasn't cracked.
 
I haven't done the straight edges yet, but I can bet the heads are warped if not cracked in multiple places.  My bet is the guides are done on the left head.  The right head looks to be just out of plane.








Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 31, 2009, 03:26:33 PM
I just ran a straight edge over the right head.  between .010 and .012 warpage.  There are definite water stains in the combustion chamber.
 
The right side was between .008 and .011 out.  Mostly around the middle and back of the block as the right side.  But I don't see any staining inside the chambers from water.
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 31, 2009, 04:09:43 PM
(http://www.go2marine.com/go2_structure/1/0/0/7/100745F-p.jpg)


Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on March 31, 2009, 05:25:01 PM
I had a good set of heads, Lea and I yanked last summer Stan. . .
 
But you are right. . . The ones that came off are boat anchors
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on April 02, 2009, 01:01:54 PM
Anyone need parts for a 5th Ave?
 
The motor is done
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: R. Dave Carr on April 02, 2009, 01:07:09 PM
What'd you find wrong now?
 
 
Dave
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on April 02, 2009, 01:14:06 PM
The block must have a crack in it. . . .  Now that I have put a set of known good heads on it, it's sucking water into #6 and 8, to the point where it's flooding the spark plug.
 
I'll have to open it up again and see if maybe I screwed up, but I doubt it.  These are pretty easy to do.  It's either cracked or the block is warped, in which case there is nothing I can do but trash the car.
 
POLARACO2009-04-02 18:19:14
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Stitcherbob on April 02, 2009, 04:46:15 PM
ummmm how about a 440 5th Ave?

Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on April 02, 2009, 06:25:26 PM
MMMMM  How about just taking the money out of the car and scrapping it
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on April 02, 2009, 06:26:23 PM
As I told Lea tonight. . .
 
It's either that or I get a 318 someplace for free.  I don't want to punt any more money into it
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Stitcherbob on April 02, 2009, 06:43:40 PM

how about trying one of these first?
 
 
http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=22005
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on April 02, 2009, 06:47:40 PM
Not enough information.  How does it work?
 
POLARACO2009-04-02 23:51:20
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Stitcherbob on April 02, 2009, 06:56:49 PM
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Has_anyone_used_KW_block_and_gasket_sealer_did_it_work (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Has_anyone_used_KW_block_and_gasket_sealer_did_it_work)
 
http://www.allpar.com/fix/cracks.html (http://www.allpar.com/fix/cracks.html)
 
stitcherbob2009-04-02 23:59:52
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 02, 2009, 10:46:01 PM
I'd use that %^$# only if I was trying to sell the car to a sucker...

Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Stitcherbob on April 03, 2009, 04:15:55 AM

Nah Stan, This stuff is used on race engines.....besides at the rate that Steve finds stuff, it could tide him over until another 318 falls in his lap



Then again.....a 276 DeSoto Hemi in a 5th Ave sounds kinda neat.......
stitcherbob2009-04-03 09:17:40
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: firedome on April 03, 2009, 06:34:27 AM
SLANT SIX POWER!!  If yer gonna drive a mini-Fitth, might as well
get some decent gas mileage, and if you want power.... MegaSquirt and
Turbocharge!!! 

Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on April 03, 2009, 07:10:07 AM
Even decent slant 6's are hard to find
 
POLARACO2009-04-03 12:11:17
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 03, 2009, 07:30:56 AM

Quote from: POLARACO
Even decent slant 6's are hard to find
Dime a dozen down here....

Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on April 03, 2009, 08:18:42 AM
I live in the Crush Zone.  They crush everything
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on April 03, 2009, 11:48:07 AM
Ceramic Engine Seal
 
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In any application, the cooling system should be cleaned, then flushed and refilled with clear water before adding Moroso Ceramic Engine Seal.  Note:  Moroso Ceramic Engine Seal will not work in a cooling system containing anti-freeze/coolant.
 
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Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on April 03, 2009, 11:54:26 AM
This has been knawing at me all day.
 
You know how you mull things over in your mind when they don't go right?
 
It dawned on me I was sneaking away from my work to get this thing running.  Well in the middle of torquing down the heads, it is possible I missed the lower head bolt between 6 and 8. 
 
Either tonight after dinner, or tomorrow between the rain drops, I am going to check the head torque again.
 
Man I hate getting old. . . .
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 03, 2009, 02:28:54 PM


Quote from: POLARACO
This has been knawing at me all day. 

You know how you mull things over in your mind when they don't go right?

It dawned on me I was sneaking away from my work to get this thing running.  Well in the middle of torquing down the heads, it is possible I missed the lower head bolt between 6 and 8.


Quote from: Commando1 on the 440WOAB topic
Well, , I too was thinking.  Kept me up a few
nights worring about it. So, to check to make sure, I had to pull the
crank and, YEP, I was right, I installed the rear main seal backwards. 
Good thing I checked.

(http://www.pbs.org/thisoldhouse/about/images/abram.jpg)

Measure twice.  Cut once.

or something like that...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)




Commando12009-04-03 19:31:56
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Post by: glen cyr on April 03, 2009, 03:04:49 PM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/26/428u8hj8.jpg)Or is it....Fool me once......cut twice?
 
Glen Bundy
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on April 03, 2009, 03:26:35 PM
You guys are a riot.  Thanks (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
 
OK  between the rain storms. . .
 
I managed to get the exhaust manifold off and retorque the hed bolts.  I added a pound to the torque wrench.  Apparently I didn't miss any ot the outer ones, but they needed to be retightened anyway apparently.  They weren't loose, but they took a 1/2 a turn until it clicked again.
 
I started the car and there was a slight improvement.  Tomorrow I'll pull the valve cover and hit the upper ones again and see what happens.
 
You don't think I missed the long one do you?
 
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on April 05, 2009, 10:53:17 AM
Well it's all over boys and girls.
 
I retorqued the heads and while the leakage subsided a bit, it's still not fixed.
 
I think I am going to take my money out of the car and just scrap it.
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Stan Paralikis on April 05, 2009, 11:46:49 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/v3opas.jpg)

Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on April 05, 2009, 12:23:52 PM
So that means these cheap Ba$tard junk yards around here will give me 50 bucks
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on April 05, 2009, 12:24:22 PM
I wonder how those wheel covers will look on Polaraco
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Steve on April 05, 2009, 02:49:55 PM
MMMMMM   Not Bad. . .Not bad at all!
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/wirewheel.jpg)
 
 
Title: 5th with antifreez gone is a Dead Cock Roach
Post by: Tom Dawson on April 07, 2009, 05:41:51 PM
Couldn't you just find another 318, they can not be that hard to find Steve-or give me the car and I will do a motor job
Tom