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Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 07, 2009, 06:41:08 AM

Dollars to doughnuts, Lea has an answer for me on this one....

I'd love to swap out my steering wheel on my '76 NY with tilt/telly for a later model pre-airbag steering wheel.
I have a feeling it's not doable though.  Anyone know?
And no, I have zero interest in swapping columns...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

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Commando12009-03-07 11:50:14
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 07, 2009, 08:17:44 AM
Thanks for the close up pics.
After looking at them,there may be a chance of using an aftermarket wheel.
I appreciate the compliment but I do not know everything. 
I will have to do some research,though.
I am guessing the columns were made by a company who supplied GM with tilt/tele wheels as well.
That will increase your chance for an aftermarket wheel.
 
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 08, 2009, 07:42:25 AM

I am guessing the columns were made by a company who supplied GM with tilt/tele wheels as well.

That will increase your chance for an aftermarket wheel.[/QUOTE]

Darn if I don't think you're right....

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Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 08, 2009, 07:57:26 AM
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Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 08, 2009, 10:20:03 AM
I found this on Grant Wheels site.It is the adaptor for tilt/tele columns:
http://www.grantproducts.com/pc-487-1-6401.aspx (http://www.grantproducts.com/pc-487-1-6401.aspx)
To be used with the 5 bolt-type Grant Signature wheel Series,and Banjo Series:
http://www.grantproducts.com/pdf/07_Auto_Catalog.PDF (http://www.grantproducts.com/pdf/07_Auto_Catalog.PDF)
I have never removed a wheel off a tilt/tele column before.I would suggest you ask Mr.Cadiooack,MoparMat if he did .Or go to the local junkyards and pull one apart to compare the splines and bolt pattern.
If they are the same (good chance the same manufacturer supplied GM and Mopar ) you can use the adaptor kit and any wheel you prefer in the Grant collection.
Hope this help.
 
 
 
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 08, 2009, 10:25:04 AM
A luxo-barge with red interior will look great with a rich looking Mohogany wheel
(http://www.grantproducts.com/images/PRODUCT/large/206.jpg)
CBarge2009-03-08 14:27:25
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 08, 2009, 10:55:29 AM
Lea, I agree that that the gm tilt/tele wheels should be looked at for fitability.  Great idea.  Thanks.
Aftermarket wheels don't look good in a '70s era luxuliner with whorehouse interior.  Although that Grant wheel above is a nice choice.
I wish I could afford that NOS wheel from Brad's.  Agreed, it is cheaper than sending out the wheel to be restored, but, it's still insane money he's asking.

I've restored two wheels my self, one of them being on The Nyb  now, but, they're "10 footers".



Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 08, 2009, 02:34:11 PM

Quote from: CBarge
A luxo-barge with red interior will look great with a rich looking Mohogany wheel
(http://www.grantproducts.com/images/PRODUCT/large/206.jpg)

I'm pretty sure that's what Butch has on his Hemi Fury

As for that NOS wheel.....I would have to change that wheel every season and bring it indoors for the winter or it would crack just like the originals....

 I have been repairing Polaraco's identical wheel for him and none of the repairs have taken....cracks apperared all over again. I used PC-7 and it must not like the thermoplastic that Mopar used that year.... plastic welding is going to be the only way

Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 08, 2009, 02:38:07 PM


Quote from: Commando1
Aftermarket wheels don't look good in a '70s era luxuliner with whorehouse interior.



you could always go with this:

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/10/streetbeatcustoms_2009_1338703714.gif)

gold plated for that pimp style!

http://www.streetbeatcustoms.com/grantgt-classic-chainnostalgia-wheels.html (http://www.streetbeatcustoms.com/grantgt-classic-chainnostalgia-wheels.html)
stitcherbob2009-03-08 18:39:22
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Steve on March 08, 2009, 03:10:04 PM
Quote from: CBarge
I found this on Grant Wheels site.It is the adaptor for tilt/tele columns:
http://www.grantproducts.com/pc-487-1-6401.aspx (http://www.grantproducts.com/pc-487-1-6401.aspx)
To be used with the 5 bolt-type Grant Signature wheel Series,and Banjo Series:
http://www.grantproducts.com/pdf/07_Auto_Catalog.PDF (http://www.grantproducts.com/pdf/07_Auto_Catalog.PDF)
I have never removed a wheel off a tilt/tele column before.I would suggest you ask Mr.Cadiooack,MoparMat if he did .Or go to the local junkyards and pull one apart to compare the splines and bolt pattern.
If they are the same (good chance the same manufacturer supplied GM and Mopar ) you can use the adaptor kit and any wheel you prefer in the Grant collection.
Hope this help.
 
 
 
Taking the wheel off is no different than any solid column.  It's when you get further down that it becomes more complicated.  But if you follow your nose, you'll be fine.
 
On second though, don't follow your nose.  It might get in the way (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
 
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 08, 2009, 03:25:00 PM

Quote from: stitcherbob


you could always go with this:

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/10/streetbeatcustoms_2009_1338703714.gif)

You're way off.  I was thinking more alonng these lines:

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Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Steve on March 08, 2009, 06:02:58 PM
Speaking of Steering wheels. . .  .
 
Hey Bob!  Where is my wheel?  I want to put my tilt column in.
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Steve on March 08, 2009, 06:03:46 PM
[/QUOTE]
 
Dash too?
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Leaburn Patey on March 08, 2009, 06:08:19 PM
[/QUOTE]
 
[/QUOTE]
See any similarities??
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Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 08, 2009, 06:15:12 PM


Quote from: POLARACO
Speaking of Steering wheels. . .  .
 

didn't you read back?


" I have been repairing Polaraco's identical wheel for him and none of
the repairs have taken....cracks apperared all over again. I used PC-7
and it must not like the thermoplastic that Mopar used that year....
plastic welding is going to be the only way"




stitcherbob2009-03-08 22:15:27
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Steve on March 08, 2009, 07:48:55 PM
Well?
 
Do I have a plastic welder?
 
Ask
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 08, 2009, 07:51:26 PM
I have one too....but I would have to grind all of the epoxy out.....Hey Stan...can Steve have yer wheel? It's a better start than his!

Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 09, 2009, 05:00:48 AM

Quote from: stitcherbob
I have one too....but I would have to grind all of the epoxy out.....Hey Stan...can Steve have yer wheel? It's a better start than his!
After seeing the wheel from Brad's NOS for 500 bucks (sighhhhh,,,,,,,,) I took a die grinder to mine to do my own resto on it.  Maybe exchange the ten-footer for a five-footer....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)

Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 09, 2009, 07:35:22 AM

Offer that guy what you think it's worth.... no one is putting $500 wheels on those cars....tell him that. No one is putting $500 wheels on Roadrunners or GTX's either.....repro wheels for those are about $269 and that is high! These sellers are either going to see the light or hang on to their stuff all through this recession and into the beyond with pie-in-the-sky pricing like that...

To paraphrase Red Green..."no one is going to put a $500 steering wheel on a car you can replace for $400!

well, I've seen them out there around that....your value may vary....
stitcherbob2009-03-09 11:38:11
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Butch Houghton on March 09, 2009, 09:32:34 AM

Mine's a Collector's series not the 4 spoke Challenger one.    Mines 155.00 at Summit now!  A lot of the Nicer wheels are 250.00 & up it seems from Grant now.

(http://file://C:/DOCUME%7E1/OWNER%7E1.YOU/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg)I actually have that Adapter for a Grant to a tilt column here.    A buddy took it off his car for a new wheel & brought it over for us to use forgetting he had a tilt & we don't.

I agree with ya about keeping the original wheel,   Just looks right in a Formal.    I'll do the same with the 70 SF ( when I get around to it ) since it has a Tilt also.
Repair that is,  not replace.

Butch

HemiFury2009-03-09 13:33:37
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Snotty on March 09, 2009, 11:06:44 AM
If you, or anyone, do go with a Grant, be prepared to be dissapointed in their mounting hardware.  I have a Grant on my '70 Newport, but I used a Ford cover plate for the column.  The one Grant recommends for my car is way too small!  Plus, I have NEVER installed a Grant wheel and hardware and have the horn still work.  I've always had to install a seperate horn button - my '70, my old '61 Bug, my Uncle's '62 Falcon, and my Dad's '49 Chevy pickup.  None of the horn buttons worked!
 
Finally, that one wheel pictured is over 14 1/2" which is good, but I would not use anything less that 15" diameter.  I did not realize how large my interior was until I installed a 13.5" wheel and it looked like a toy!  If you do go aftermarket I'd recommend a 15" or larger wheel.
 
JMO
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 09, 2009, 12:02:05 PM



There are some nice looking aftermarket wheel for trucks (Freightliner, Kenworth) available that will look right at home in our cars.  Available up to 18".  Nothing looks more stupid than a 17" wheel from an earlier era being replaced by a 14" Momo wheel.  Yuck! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2rfxx68.jpg) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

This time around, I'm filling the huge gaps with conventional 2-part epoxy dough and then conture it with this this stuff from a marine supply store.  We'll see if it doesn't solve the cracking problem.

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Commando12009-03-09 16:12:00
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 11, 2009, 05:25:51 PM



Quote from: stitcherbob
Offer that guy what you think it's worth.... no one is putting $500 wheels on those cars....tell him that. No one is putting $500 wheels on Roadrunners or GTX's either.....repro wheels for those are about $269 and that is high! These sellers are either going to see the light or hang on to their stuff all through this recession and into the beyond with pie-in-the-sky pricing like that...
To paraphrase Red Green..."no one is going to put a $500 steering wheel on a car you can replace for $400!
well, I've seen them out there around that....your value may vary....

OK

Quote
Dear nos_bill,

Is there any flexibility on the pricing?
Thank you for your time.

Stan
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No. Sorry.
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Commando12009-03-11 21:30:08
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 11, 2009, 06:27:31 PM

You forgot to call him a farging bastage!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
stitcherbob2009-03-11 22:29:08
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 12, 2009, 03:48:26 AM
I  don't like to burn bridges. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 24, 2009, 11:24:21 AM





Quote from: stitcherbob
You forgot to call him a farging bastage!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

NOW I can call him a farging bastage! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

HIS ($480.00):

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2a4ts9d.jpg)


MINE ($25.00):




(http://i40.tinypic.com/301h44w.jpg)

BEFORE:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/qxtnhi.jpg)
A cupla clear coats and it will look even better. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)

Commando12009-03-25 09:55:49
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: firedome on March 25, 2009, 05:10:40 AM
Impressive work Stan - now if it will only hold up to thermal expansion
and shrinkage in that hot FL sun.... My 80 Saint has the exact same
hard shiny plastic wheel with the wood stripe around the circumference,
and it is also plagued by several large cracks. But they also made a
wheel for some less fancy models with a soft almost rubber-like
compound that never cracks. It did feel kind of sticky at times which
was annoying, but never seemed to deteriorate - it was on my '77 Gran
Fury and '79 Newport.  Looked about the same shape but with the
soft compound used instead of the hard shiny plastic, and did not have
the fake wood trim in the rim.  

Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 25, 2009, 05:14:24 AM

Quote from: firedome
But they also made a
wheel for some less fancy models with a soft almost rubber-like
compound that never cracks.   
I searched high and low for those.  Couldn't find any for the telescoping column.

Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: firedome on March 26, 2009, 05:10:08 AM
Stan - I don't know why but my compy doesn't display your last
response...?  Time to retire this ancient 7 yr old Mac I guess,
it's getting picky about what is does anymore.



Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 26, 2009, 06:42:07 AM

Quote from: Commando1
Quote from: firedome
But they also made a
wheel for some less fancy models with a soft almost rubber-like
compound that never cracks.   
I searched high and low for those.  Couldn't find any for the telescoping column.
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: firedome on March 26, 2009, 09:17:20 AM
They may not have been available with telescope maybe?   my Newport was a low end-ish model...



Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on May 05, 2009, 10:27:34 AM
Well, it took a long time, did my due diligence, and found out lotsa stuff.  So, here's what I ended up doing.
 
Found on ebayfr $20 a gorgeous rubber 1981 Pontiac steering wheel the exact same burgundy as The Nyb's interior.
 
From the Chrysler steering wheel I removed the critical center hub.  It's welded in. Ugghh.
Did the same from the Pontiac's.  Also welded.  Ughhh. again.
Welded in the Chryslers hub to the Pontiac wheel. 
 
I also have a Pentastar emblem to replace the Pontiac emblem.  This is gonna be a gorgeous upgrade for chump change.
 
(http://i40.tinypic.com/1zlbt6a.jpg)
 
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(http://i43.tinypic.com/294o4fq.jpg)
 
Commando12009-05-05 15:28:30
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Snotty on May 05, 2009, 11:18:58 AM
That's a lot of work for a wheel Stan, but..
 
Good for you!!!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on May 05, 2009, 12:17:41 PM
Quote from: Snotty
That's a lot of work for a wheel Stan, but..
Thanks, Snotty.
Over at the New Yorker Board, we were hashing out about whether GM/Saginaw wheels would bolt on and somebody said, "Given enough time and money, you can make any wheel fit any car you want".  I thought about that. and I said: "WTF, I'm retired....". (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Steering wheel upgrade?
Post by: Snotty on May 05, 2009, 03:15:30 PM
Retired, eh??  Well now, just buy a bunch of GM wheels, do some cutting and welding, and viola! - you have your own retirement plan!!!
 
How about $300 a wheel?  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)