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Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 21, 2009, 05:56:21 AM
Hi guys and gals!

I was under the '68 Sport Fury last night and was looking for the engine ID numbers on my 440HP. I scraped away the grunge and found the stamping on the bottom side of the pan rail below the starter. To my Shock/Amazement/Horror, the engine displacement was stamped 383!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can this be? The 383 is a B block (except for 1958-1960 there was a Chrysler 383 RB). My engine is clearly a RB, as the engine pad is in the RB-only location. I can not see the casting number to identify it, but every single engine number I can see (intake, exhaust, carb, dist., etc.) comes back as the proper number for my 440HP.

I know anything is possible, but has anyone ever heard of something like this?

I'm really freaked out right now and could use some relief;-)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)


Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 21, 2009, 06:12:00 AM
Aren't those the VIN #'s down there? Also could be a mis-stamp.....

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 21, 2009, 06:28:48 AM
Hey Stitcherbob, thanks for replying.

It looks like there are a lot of numbers that go something like this:

The engine plant code (I think it was PT)
The engine displacement (says 383, MUST be 440)
The 4-digit Julian date the engine was assembled
The number this engine was built in the days production run (if it said 0037, it was the 37th engine built that day).

Does this help?

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Butch Houghton on February 21, 2009, 07:13:01 AM
VIN  wasn't down on the pan rail in 68,   that started in 69.    The only place it should be for a 68 ( and that was usually later in the year run)  is on top of the bellhousing adjacent to the block & top back of the block right next to it.

Might just be a plant sequence number down there,  not the same as a VIN.

Butch


Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 21, 2009, 08:31:58 AM

Butch is right, it is a plant identification-serial number assigned to the engine

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/10/img094.jpg)


Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 21, 2009, 09:44:57 AM


I qoute from The America V8 Engine Data Book:

From 1968 [/b][/u] to 1971, a different ID code system was use, and, the ID code was relocated to the left side of the block, near the oil pan flange.

A typical ID code might read as follows:
PT[color="#ffff00"]38325920022.[/b][/color]
The first two letters indicate the engine plant where the engine was assembled.  They are as follows:
PT: Trenton Plant, which built 361-, 383-, 412-, 426-, and 440 cid engines.
PM, GM, HM: Mound Road Plant, which built318-, 340-, and 360 cid engines.
MV, MN: Marysville Plant, which built the 426 Hemi.

The next three digits indicate engine displacement, which is in this example 383 cid. 

This is followed by a four digit code that indicates the build date.  This example,2592, stands for Sept. 1, 1969 and can be found in the 10,000-day calendar in the Chrysler service books.  The date can usually be found next to or near the ID code, stamped in the conventional manner, 09-01-69 in this example.

The last four numbersare the daily sequence number, which indicates the chronological order of each engine built that day.  In this example, the 22nd unit built that day.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1968 saw the addition of a new 383 cid B engine
This version, which was rated 335 hp, was for use on the Road Runner and Super Bee. The engine used the cylinder heads that were used on the 1968 HP 440 cid engine
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds to me like the 383/335 HP. from the Coyote bait.


Commando12009-02-21 15:00:10
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on February 21, 2009, 02:09:57 PM
Call me crazy but aren't a 383 and a 440 the same block? If not somebody needs to straighten me out on this.

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 21, 2009, 03:13:56 PM
My research clearly indicates the the 383 was a 'B' block and the 440 was a 'RB' block. The B block has an identification pad below the passenger-side head. The RB block has an identification pad on the top, driver-side area of the block. That is where the identification pad for my engine is located and is stamped with the 1968 date and "440 HP".

So the question is:
How can this be a 383 B block when it has the RB-only identification pad location?

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 21, 2009, 03:36:13 PM

because the oil pan rail was "hand stamped", it introduces a possibility of mistakes....maybe  it was a Friday evening/Monday morning car!stitcherbob2009-02-21 20:37:52
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 21, 2009, 03:45:52 PM
That's what I thought. I believe it's just a mis-stamped block. I just need to know that my reasoning was correct. Up until today, like ardog, I thought the 383 and the 440 were the same engine block. I can't tell you what a relief it was to learn there is a definite difference between blocks.

Will anyone else back up my belief? I just need to be sure.

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 21, 2009, 03:59:52 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention there is one more piece of evidence to support my position; the intake manifold!

The RB intake is wider than the B intake because it is a "Raised Block" and the heads are farther apart. My intake has casting number 2806178. according to Galen's book, this number was used for three years. I quote:

2806178   1967   B-body   440   1-4 barrel   HP
2806178   1968   B- & C-body   440   1-4 barrel   All
2806178   1969   A-, B- & C-body   440   1-4 barrel

My engine  identification pad is stamped D440 HP and it's in a Sport Fury.

No conflicting information here (Thank God)!




Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 21, 2009, 04:18:31 PM
Does the number 2536430 appear anyhere on the block?

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 21, 2009, 04:23:08 PM

Quote from: ardog
Call me crazy but aren't a 383 and a 440 the same block? If not somebody needs to straighten me out on this.
You're crazy. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Actually the RB (raised block) has a 3/4" higher deck height.  This was to allow a longer stroke.





Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 21, 2009, 04:23:50 PM
I couldn't see the casting number.

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Ken on February 21, 2009, 04:38:07 PM


Call me crazy but aren't a 383 and a 440 the same block? If not somebody needs to straighten me out on this.
[/QUOTE]

OK, so you're crazy (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif)  :P

What Stan sez, basically.

The 361-383 "B" engine is shorter than the 413-440 "RB" from the crank centerline to the cylinder head surface, hence the "RB" or "Raised B" designation for the latter.  Got it?(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Moesy2009-02-21 21:39:05
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 21, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
Is it possible they used the old 383 RB block and just made a 440 out of it?
 
I'm shootin blanks here
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 21, 2009, 04:55:57 PM
I considered that, Polaraco, but it didn't make sense. The RB 383 has value in its rarity. It would seem to me that it would be easier to try to pass off a regular 440 as a HP?

This is going to drive me NUTS!

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Brian on February 21, 2009, 07:13:28 PM
You are not crazy...you clearly have a 440..not a 383.
 
Regardless of what the stamping on the pan rail says, which as stated above, 68's did not have the same identification number there as the 69 and later did.  So it is more than likely a sequence number and/or like suggested it was a "rush out the door" friday job or a "Hung over" monday stamping.
 
 
 
 
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Bill Mounteer on February 21, 2009, 07:15:25 PM
I suppose an easy way to tell if you have a B or RB is to check the intake manifold casting number. If its a 440 number then you have the wider RB block. There was an RB 383 block but I think it was only made in about 1958 or so.

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 21, 2009, 07:48:04 PM
Reminds me of the story at the factory when, at the completion of the shift, one worker found out they hadn't been making Darts that day.... and a whole bunch of cars were made with "Valiant" on one fender and "Dart" on the other(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 22, 2009, 03:31:04 AM
Well, once again, thanks to the GREAT group of folks her, I feel a whole lot better!

Today I am going to try to find every number I can on both the engine and transmission. Regardless of my success or failure, I am no longer concerned about whether my engine is a 440 or a 383.

Oh, Fury440, My intake casting number is 2806178. Galen says:

2806178   1967   B-body   440   1-4 barrel   HP
2806178   1968   B- & C-body   440   1-4 barrel   All
2806178   1969   A-, B- & C-body   440   1-4 barrel

It was this that let me get a good night's sleep last night.

I'll report back all my findings.

Thanks again to everyone for your help. It is truly appreciated!

Uncle Hulka


Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Butch Houghton on February 22, 2009, 05:49:37 AM
The best way to be sure of what you've got is the Block casting# on the side of the block.   That's the  -430# asked about.    The date it was cast is on the side also so you can make sure of year if in doubt.

They can be awfully hard to see if the Exhaust manifolds are still there.   I have no doubt yours is a RB motor if it has the flat pad adjacent to the dist.

Butch


Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 22, 2009, 06:01:19 AM
Call Galen.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 22, 2009, 06:52:55 AM
OK, I have some good news and some bad news.



The Good News is I was able to get the numbers off the block and here they are with their translations as I understand them:



Block Casting Code
253643010 = 1966 thru 1972 440RB
(can someone explain the '10' after 2536430 to me please? The same casting number was found on both sides of the block)



Casting Date

1 25 68 (found above the casting code on the passenger side of the block)

YUP!!!! She's a 1968 440 fer shure (I get a little redneck when I'm excited). That made me feel a whole lot better.

Here's the complete stamping info on rear pan rail (below starter) that caused me so much worry:

PT383R24093217



Translation

PT = Trenton Plant (where 361,383,413,426w and 440 were built)

383 = Displacement (WRONG)

R = Regular Fuel (WRONG)

2409 = March 2 1968 (10,000 day calender)

3217 = 3,207th engine built that day (that's seems like an awful lot of engines to me)

I don't know how much, if any, of that stamping is correct as far as the date and sequence number, but that's what's on there.

Now for the bad news.

While under the car, I got the transmission numbers too. This is what I found stamped on the driver side of the trans just above the pan:

PK3515845I   3307   0151

and this was stamped on the passenger-side of the housing:
1C108703

If Galen's correct (and he always is) this is the 151st 1971 A-727 TF built Aug. 17 1971.
(sigh)
So, this is clearly not the original transmission. Oh, well. that doesn't really bother me too much. It's the engine I care the most about and determining that is is definitely a 68 440 engine made me very happy.

So that mystery is solved and I now now my trans is out of another car. Oh well, c'est la vie (jeez, I must get French when I'm a little depressed)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif)

OK, I'm standing-by. Let's hear your thoughts!





Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 22, 2009, 07:29:33 AM
Probably a rebuilt trans.....yours was sent in as a core. My original trans was converted to a manual valvebody, reverse shift pattern trans, so I have another on standby.....I am not too concerned with trans #'s matching. A 4 speed modern trans would be nicer (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Now, let me shake ya up a little! It COULD HAVE BEEN possible to have a 383 B engine with a 440 manifold.....IF the previous owner put on a set of Mopar Performance aluminum Stage 6 heads and painted them engine color. Those head's angle need a 440 intake on a B or spacers on a RB. If this had been the case, I wouldn't have any trouble sleeping at night....a stroker 383 with Stage 6 heads would certainly make up for #'s not matching!


Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 22, 2009, 09:42:19 AM
You just won't let me off the hook will ya? ;-)

No, after finding the casting number 2536430, I know it's a 440, although that stroker 383 doesn't sound too bad either.

Any thoughts on why I seem to have two extra casting numbers (see my previous post)?




Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 22, 2009, 10:50:16 AM
Quote from: stitcherbob
Reminds me of the story at the factory when, at the completion of the shift, one worker found out they hadn't been making Darts that day.... and a whole bunch of cars were made with "Valiant" on one fender and "Dart" on the other(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
That is very likely.
1963 to 1966 Canadian built Valiants were actually Darts with Valiant trim.With the exception of the Barracuda which had some minor trim differences.
http://www.valiant.org/canada.html (http://www.valiant.org/canada.html)
 
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on February 22, 2009, 11:10:21 AM
Well I'm glad ya got that figured out U.H.!!! and I learned something too, the fact that I AM crazy and a 413-440 is a taller block than a 361-383. But I'm glad you have a 440 for sure!!
Sounds like it was a monday/friday kinda stamping deal.
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 22, 2009, 01:41:39 PM

Quote from: ardog
".....But I'm glad you have a 440 for sure!!"

Not half as much as me, Ardog.

Any one want to try rto explain why I seem to have two extra casting numbers?

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 22, 2009, 02:47:53 PM
[/QUOTE]
 
It may have been in an engine bodyshop (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 22, 2009, 03:01:48 PM
Good One(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: glen cyr on February 22, 2009, 05:59:10 PM
The 2536430 is the casting # and the 10 behind it is what they call the tooling revision #!. This is how many times the core molds have been refreshed or reconditioned! On 340 blocks they are mostly stamped this way,but i have never seen any after 8 revisions!. However,i have seen a 440 with the #12 as of course there were plenty more 440's as there were 340's.Sometimes the cores would shift and this is how they kept track of them! That's definately a 440 block stamped 383,but i suppose if there were a beer strike in Trenton at that time,and some line workers come north to get some REAL beer(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif),.....well,....i guess anything would be possible then!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)!!!!. On the tranny.....being that it is a 71' model,you got some upgrades such as part throttle kickdown and some other features not found in the early model!
 
Glen Govier
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Butch Houghton on February 23, 2009, 05:25:09 AM
Now go look at the rear top of the block right behind the Oil Pressure sender & see if the VIN is there.   Since the block is cast Jan 68 the cars build date should be after that & it's more than half-way through the model year it might just be there.

Very top looking straight down adjacent to the Bellhousing.     If it was a matching trans it would be cast on the top of the Bell also so they'd be right next to each other.

This is a 68 only thing & even then it was later in the model year.    69 went to the standardized location of Pan rail & side of the trans for Vins.

Butch


Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 23, 2009, 01:28:48 PM
I learn more and more everyday from you guys. HemiFury, there's no way I can see that number without removing the hood and I don't want to get into that right now. I'll see if I can get someone smaller than myself to climb in and take a peek.

Owatajrkiam, Thanks so much for setting me straight on what those extra 2 digits are doing in my block casting number. Two questions:

1) After the new tooling is in place, for how long did they keep stamping the tooling revision number onto the block? Couldn't be too long because it's not seen on most blocks. I figure it was just for a week or so.

2) Are you any relation to Galen?

Thanks once again to all you guys! So much knowledge. If all the brain power here was applied to something really important, we could come up with stuff like a new beer that never goes flat:-)

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 23, 2009, 02:56:12 PM

Quote from: Uncle Hulka
I learn more and more everyday from you guys.

 If all the brain power here was applied to something really important, we could come up with stuff like a new beer that never goes flat:-)

Already done that...

(http://blogs.citypages.com/food/Steel-Reserve-Can.jpg)

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 23, 2009, 03:13:36 PM
[/QUOTE]
 
Try an inspection mirror or an old rear view mirror.
 
Stan
POLARACO2009-02-23 20:14:30
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 23, 2009, 03:27:36 PM

Quote from: POLARACO
Stan: How can something already stale go stale?
It's sorta like Blue Cheese.  You can't tell when it goes bad.

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on February 23, 2009, 03:35:34 PM

Quote from: Commando1
Quote from: POLARACO
Stan: How can something already stale go stale?
It's sorta like Blue Cheese.  You can't tell when it goes bad.

Bad analogy. No such thing as Bad Beer....just bad beer drinkers(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: James Brown Jr, on February 23, 2009, 05:19:16 PM
Steel Reserve starts out bad. but boy is it ohh so good.
i love learning things here.
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 01, 2009, 10:47:46 AM
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OK guys....while we are checking #'s, how about my 440 Steve just brought to my house?

The numbers are:
2536430-9 = 1967-1972 440 RB on it's 9th casting revision
5-7-71 = May 7th 1971 casting date

but here's the oil pan rail #'s:
 2C171482


any ideas? I was told it's a HP 440 from 1972.....it has a beat up C body oil pan on it, but other than that no info on it.....


Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 01, 2009, 11:24:55 AM
Since it has the steel crank, all is good...

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on March 01, 2009, 11:28:06 AM
[/QUOTE]
 
Oh I get it. . .you make me drag that thing all over, man handle it off the trailer, only to sell it?  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 01, 2009, 12:28:04 PM
who said anything about selling it?

It could end up being like Stan's 440-OAB.....only it would sure stay ON BUDGET(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif)


Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 01, 2009, 01:03:17 PM


Quote from: stitcherbob
.....only it would sure stay ON BUDGET
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BS!
Commando12009-03-01 18:04:07
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 01, 2009, 01:40:10 PM
My Roadrunner's 383 stayed on budget, unless something is cracked or it falls off the engine stand, why wouldn't this one?

You have to budget for everything in the beginning! If the motor ends up not needing to be align bored or only needs a good honing, then you end up ahead of the game. If you figure everything first, it looks expensive.......but it can come out cheaper in the end.


Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on March 01, 2009, 03:09:06 PM
Hey guys, if my engine is a 1968 (which it is according to the casting date) and is the 10 tool revision, how can Sticherbob's 440 be a 1972 with a 9th tool revision?

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Ken on March 01, 2009, 03:14:27 PM
'Cuase Bob's just that much less of a tool?  Did I say that? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 01, 2009, 05:41:08 PM
That must be Fresno humor.....??????

I think the tooling revisions were reset at the beginning of the model years....just a guess


Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on March 02, 2009, 05:35:34 AM

Ahhhhhh. That makes sense.

Hey, I was able to locate an identification number on engine on the bellhousing. It reads 8G202057 and verifies that this is not the original engine for my car. It is, however the right year and all the components and block have the date the original engine would have.

My question is how much does this impact the value of the car? It has the exact same engine it's supposed to which I know helps, but what do you guys think.

For the record, I don't love this car any less than before and I have no intention of selling it. I just want to know.

Uncle Hulka2009-03-02 10:36:29
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 02, 2009, 07:45:51 AM
Unc: In all seriousness, since it's a keeper, the correct "numbers" doesn't mean a thing to me.
This numbers game that everyone is so into now  is worth about $1.98 in my opinion.  It would only mean something to me if I was buying an investment grade museum piece.  And that ain't ever gonn happen... (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)


Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on March 02, 2009, 09:55:02 AM

Copy that, Commando1, I hear what your saying and I agree whole heartedly. It was more of a question of insurance purposes. What is the value of a correct car vs a numbers matching car? I believe the value of the car (not the value I place on it, necessarily) lies in the fact that it left the factory as a 440HP. That said, what does the presence of a correct but non original engine (and trans.) do to the value?
Uncle Hulka2009-03-02 16:24:50
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 02, 2009, 12:37:55 PM


Not much, unless it's a Hemi or 440 six pack car.....many of which have engine transplants because they were built for racing and blown up (also a number of Hemis were replaced under warranty)....the #'s matching deal was to place an original car higher up on the value chart than one that was broken and repaired. The fact that it trickled down to even lowly slant 6 cars is a product of wishful thinking and the B-J disease....

Don't get me started on the 1-of-1 panther pink car with green interior, the only c-body wagon with a slant six and towing package, etc.... those are rare because the person who ordered it was a nincompoop

stitcherbob2009-03-02 17:40:11
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on March 02, 2009, 02:18:51 PM
I'm hip, especially about Barrett-Jackson Derangement Syndrome. Ludicrous prices, but the axiom holds that the defining characteristic of value is determined by how much someone is willing to pay to own a given item. That being said, the insane prices a few well-heeled, individuals are willing to cough up to own a musclecar have changed to hobby. Essentially ripping the cars from the hands of gear heads with a genuine passion for Detroit muscle. Their new owners are either:

a) seeking stable investments after the stock market shake-up in 1986-87
b) enthusiasts who happen to be financially superior.

What the current financial situation will do to the hobby is up for debate, but in the short term, I am seeing prices tumble and that makes me happy for those of us who are in it for love of the cars for what they are and not for whatever financial gain can be squeezed from them.

WHEW! Sorry for the blather, friends. I'm just excited to see prices coming back down to levels that are within reach to the average, working-class car nut. Oh, the ultra-rare/special/performance cars will still be beyond the reach of us, but more and more cars will become attainable WHEN we are able to buy again (priorities like bills and mortgages first).

Jeez.....I forgot the point I was going to make and my question.

Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on March 02, 2009, 03:30:08 PM
Oh Yeah, now I remember.

Seriously, what do you think is the insured value of a 1968 Sport Fury L-code Convertible?


Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Bill Mounteer on March 02, 2009, 04:12:17 PM
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When I started diddling around with my car about 10 years ago, I rationalized that being one of the last convertibles built, a special order 440, numbers matching and one owner,  that it might just be worth something someday. Well now that I've watched the C-Body world for the last bunch of years, I've come to the conclusion that rare and numbers matching means squat in  their world. I highly doubt if I sold the car that I would get ten cents on the dollar to a C-Body man. So I've decided to forget about worth, value, etc. and just enjoy playing with my toy!  I figure if I get tired of it or something else takes my fancy, I'll just give it to one of my kids and let them ponder its value.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Many C-Body owner's seem to be quick to point out even the smallest variations from stock and make full use of another axiom, "Talk is cheap!".  Paradoxically the same people sit on their wallets when a true gem goes up for sale and scream highway robbery! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

"Value is what people are willing to pay" for most things, however, when it comes to BJ auctions it seems to be "Price is what the last guy was willing to pay plus a bunch!".   For some reason BJ buyers seem to award recognition to those who pay the most ridiculus prices and will battle among themselves for the privaledge to buy it back next year at an even greater price. A very strange world these people live in.  
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Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 02, 2009, 04:29:29 PM
What's my car worth?  Less than I bought it for and about a third that I'm into it for.  And I don't care.



Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Steve on March 02, 2009, 04:39:29 PM
I'll give you $1500 for it. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Am I Crazy? How can this be?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 02, 2009, 04:48:23 PM
Ain't selling.  (http://www.massmopar.com/yabb/Smilies/moon.gif)