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Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on January 09, 2009, 07:07:49 PM
Here's the first few photos guys...She's stripped...first job is to get her roof replaced.
  
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e45/bigredfury/049.jpg)
 

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e45/bigredfury/3123.jpg)
 
Epoxy primed and ready for the ride back to MLC
 
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e45/bigredfury/mdwsm032.jpg)
 
Frame has been cleaned and treated... Has that purplish hue to it....
 
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e45/bigredfury/mdwsm031.jpg)
 
furyfever2009-02-19 20:07:28
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Johnny D. on January 09, 2009, 07:50:42 PM
the little cash register in my head is goin all sorts of crazy.... work looks great, keep us posted!

oh and a question, will yours have the bumper extensions/wings i heard those are getting sparce...


Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 09, 2009, 11:43:28 PM
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Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on January 10, 2009, 04:40:26 AM
Yes Mobby...I'll be getting the (original or reproduction) bumper wings. Not sure which ones I want yet. Edwin at MLC says the repros fit better as the originals had quality control issues from the factory...Have you ever seen how some of them look bent upwards more than usual?
 
Here's the short list:
 
1958 Plymouth Fury with matching numbers 350 Golden Commando
Buckskin Beige w/ gold trim (stock colors)
Come to life pkg. (motion sensor at driver door handle turns on lights, radio)
CD Player in glove box
Dual Power rear antennas
Rear fender skirts
Solex glass (factory tint)
150 MPH speedo
7 button search tune radio (factory option)
Power Windows
4 way power disc brakes
Power Steering
Stainless steel brakes lines, fuel line, dual exhaust system.
Posi-traction rear end
 
#1 glory goes to God because He has richly blessed us over the years...My wife and I have been continually working for 27 + years now...We've always been good savers. Other than buying our home we never got into debt. We married late in life so we had no children...so, it's time for a kickback I guess. I'll make sure there will be a kickback for her too. Uh Oh (http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/broke.gif) <---Not really...My wife is fabulous. She actually gave me the push I needed to do this. I've been a head case though as I'm still going back and forth whether to go Christine or go factory with her. (http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/banging.gif)<---Had to use this.... Love the new emoticons...Thanks Steve!!
furyfever2009-01-10 13:56:35
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Steve on January 10, 2009, 06:18:12 AM
does it come complete with it's own concrete bunker? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
I have to run up to Ultra One and see if Ms. Belvie is still there
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Ken on January 10, 2009, 10:18:35 AM
Wow!! NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE!  'Cept for the Chebby 350 (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)
I didn't know those were dual quad from the factory?! KEWL!


Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Brian on January 10, 2009, 05:17:51 PM
Soooo why the new roof????(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)
 
Looks pretty sweet.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 10, 2009, 06:04:13 PM
You are only here for a short time and you can't take all your hard earned cash with you when you leave this earth.
So you may as well enjoy it now while you still can.
Thumbs up to FuryFever for going for it! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
What they have done so far has taken me 3 years.
 IMO,car would be nice restored  back to original--especially if the car is a legit 350 Golden Commando car .
A rare car to begin with and also not many left due to the rust issues they had from day one.
CBarge2009-01-10 23:09:38
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 11, 2009, 02:22:48 AM

A rare car to begin with and also not many left due to the rust issues they had from day one.
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Looking at the cowl and the door frame, I'm amazed at how solid it looks.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)


great bones.

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on January 12, 2009, 03:22:14 AM
Quote from: thrashingcows
Soooo why the new roof????(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)
 
 
You can't see it without having the magnifier tool, but there's rust holes along the drip rail next to the rear window on driver side...probably on other side too? Plus...from what Edwin tells me, there's a large dent up at top center. It must be easier to weld up the 4 pillar splices after removing/replacing roof.
 
Originally posted by Cbarge: IMO,car would be nice restored  back to original--especially if the car is a legit 350 Golden Commando car .
A rare car to begin with and also not many left due to the rust issues they had from day one.
 
Lea...good point...I've seen the numbers on the motor. They match the VIN. MLC has requested a build card/translation of it from Chrysler Historical. Before dismantling, she looked like a Fury...but Belvederes Savoys and Plazas could be ordered with 350 GC's too...so Chrysler Historical will assure us what she was born as. Perhaps I should stop (http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/banging.gif)...and let them be the judge of what color she will be.
 
If she's a real GC 350 Fury = Bucksin beige w/ Gold trim
If she's a GC 350 Belv = Christine or any factory color
 
furyfever2009-01-12 15:16:28
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Snotty on January 12, 2009, 09:49:25 AM
Quote from: furyfever
I'm still going back and forth whether to go Christine or go factory with her.  
 
Here's my 2 cents: I would not want to see another Christine any more than I want to see another General Lee, but that's your call.  But as for going factory, the CD and the 4-wheel disks already put the car beyond that point.  So...go custom!  Make the car as you would want it.  After all, if you're thinking Christine you can't be opposed to custom.   
 
One thing finally - dump the skirts.  I never have liked them on cars with finder "lips."  Just my opinion, however.
 
As for what you're spending, see Malachi 3:10.  Whenever someone says to me, "You're a Minister!!  How can you own a car like that????" I always answer, "I tithe."
 
Blessings to you Brother!
 
Scott
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on January 14, 2009, 04:35:43 PM
Scott,
 
You make a lot of sense. You have given me a few things to think about here...about the "custom items" that I refuse to let go of...the 4 wheel disks, the CD and the come to life package too...maybe I need to forget them and go buckskin beige or keep em and finish it off with a custom paint job. I just think about resale value (some day) with the latter though....Hhhmmm....I understand your stance on the skirts...One day I love em and the next I say "man...that car looks fabulous without em". Do the skirts come off without any unsightly pins or tabs left behind?...because I do like both looks. And last but certainly not least...I never put this act of classic car gluttony together with how God blesses our socks off when we tithe! You are right...You can't outgive God!! Even more glory to Him!   
 
Thanks Scott for the advice and encouragement...bless you too brother..
 
Bob
 
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Steve on January 14, 2009, 05:53:55 PM
I kinda agree with Scott on a car like that. . . .
 
It should be left stock. 
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 15, 2009, 12:18:24 AM

Quote from: POLARACO
I kinda agree with Scott on a car like that. . . .
 

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But with upgrades to practicality, reliability and safety




Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Snotty on January 15, 2009, 09:21:52 AM
Quote from: furyfever
.I never put this act of classic car gluttony together with how God blesses our socks off when we tithe! You are right...You can't outgive God!! Even more glory to Him!   
 
 
Amen!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Snotty on January 15, 2009, 09:31:16 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
I kinda agree with Scott on a car like that. . . .
 
 
Brother Steve, that was not what I was saying; I think you misread my words.  I said "go custom."  I am not a factory stock fan.  I find factory correct cars quite boring, but that's a personal taste issue.
 
On that, in my opinion, if a car is in all factory condition - like your "virgin" - I think it should be left that way.  But if a car is ragged and needs a total makeover - like Bob's Plymouth - then it's a good candidate for customizing.  If the car has already been taken beyond factory original condition I always say, "Why not?"  Since Bob's already has the upgrades it's not factory, so....
 
I will say that when people take a pristine, factory correct car and customize it I go crazy!  That's why I will not watch "Overhaulin" and shows like that.  There are plenty of trash cars available to customize that pristine ones can/should be left alone.
 
Again, this is my opinion and is not right or wrong.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on January 15, 2009, 10:07:40 AM
Hey great project furyfever! I like it.....350....lucky dog!......I have a 58 Belvedere Christine type which was done in the early 90's.  It has hidden CD, red neons underneath, and motion detector with a 318 Poly 2 x4 bbl.  I get the "stock" vs. "custom" complaints all the time, but who cares? I don't.   95% of people say they love the car and that's what's important.  There's always the 5% of haters who nit pick and criticize, usually because they are insecure people.  Everywhere I go, people point, yell, follow me, make offers, scream, faint, wow and ask for a ride.  Some poor soul even followed me into Snotty's driveway one day.    Check out my YouTube video of my car restoration pix, I think you'll find it entertaining.  I can't wait to see your completed project, I'm sure it will be a knockout.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GikLg8Rh9Zk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GikLg8Rh9Zk)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on January 15, 2009, 10:12:49 AM
True Commando, safety upgrades are important, as these cars drive like a boxcar on rubber.  Snotty and I (mostly Snotty) installed nice red seatbelts for Tri-Five Chevys, as it's not a good idea to ride around with no belts, considering the blindfolded lunatics on the road these days.  yeah, yeah, it's not Stock for that year, we used GM Belts, blah blah blah from the puritanical purists in the stock camp........all that shows is that they spend their time criticizing when they should be spending their time enjoying their cars.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on January 15, 2009, 10:15:40 AM
I think a set of those bumper wings went for $3k on Ebay........everyone asks where I got the bumper wings and the original gold air cleaners.......I tell them they came with the car.....
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on January 15, 2009, 10:20:10 AM
"Bring the whole paycheck into the house (but hide it from thy wife), that there may be many classic automobiles in thy garage. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the garage doors of heaven and pour out so much customization that you will not have room enough for it."   Hurst1 3:10

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 15, 2009, 11:19:42 AM
Well,another approach is a little of both..
To me,the car should appear factory stock but a little craftiness can go a long way.
Than can be done and still have the modern day safety upgrades and other comforts.
Disc brakes all around behind factory wheels or period aftermarket ones--no problem.Wheels make or break the car but they can easily be changed.
Hidden CD player,no problem.Seat belts are just common sense.
Hi-power headlamps with hidden relays,better night vision and a piece of mind knowing the headlight switch will not burn out..
You can upgrade the ignition system and hide the modern electronics.
Pertronix is the easiest way or the hotter MSD box can hide under the battery tray,for example
Modified -yet look stock.
Why not install power door locks? power trunk? convienence.
Just use period looking switches.Ones from a derbied Imperial will be perfect. 
 
CBarge2009-01-15 16:24:18
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Snotty on January 15, 2009, 01:34:51 PM
[/QUOTE]
 
Steve, you've just written the text for my next Stewardship Sermon!  I'll conclude it with the Lord's Prayer:
 
Our Father, who art in Detroit,
Mopar be thy name.
Thy Magnums come,
Thy Vipers roam on earth as we KNOW they do in heaven!
Give us this day our daily lead,
and forgive us our Toyotas, as we forgive those who Nissan against us.
Lead us not into Ford and deliver us from Chevy.
For thine is the wedge, and the crate motor, and the Hemi forever!
Amen!
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on January 15, 2009, 05:44:02 PM
Does it say anything in there about lightning bolts for blasphemers?   I'm not going to stand outside with a 9 iron up the air and take any chances.......
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on January 15, 2009, 05:45:37 PM
Hey Snotty, was that quote from "The Malachi Papers"?   You know, the guy who ratted out the mob because he wouldn't give them 10% of the proceeds?  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on January 15, 2009, 06:01:28 PM
I think I get the gist of the passage......"give Snotty 10% of yer income, go ahead put him to the test.....and he will open the doors to the Chinese buffet and you'll be stuffed so full you won't have any room for more.....not even a fortune cookie!
 
hurst12009-01-15 23:02:10
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on January 16, 2009, 02:23:24 PM
I'm stayin out of this one...(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/shock.gif)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on January 30, 2009, 06:13:43 PM
Heard preliminary news about this 58 Plymouth from Chrysler historical today via e-mail. The car is not a Fury and the 350 motor is not original to the car. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif) I'm totally confused because the VIN (LP2L 18864) and the motor (L350 18864) last five digits match. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)I've seen photos of both! How could this be? Think about it...What are the chances that somone in the last 50 years put a numbers matching motor in this Belvedere? Is Chrysler Historical information absolutely without a doubt infallible? MLC will still wait for official news...build record/translation and I'm ok as far as the contract and all...probably puts the delivery date out farther though...unless I want to go with the original plan... Can ya believe it?
 
Somewhat bummed, 
furyfever2009-01-30 23:19:40
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Steve on January 30, 2009, 06:21:23 PM
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Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 30, 2009, 06:31:45 PM
Bob,Have you seen this car and parts in the flesh ??
If not I would suggest you go down there.
just to ease your mind more than anything.
From there you can decide to build the car YOUR way.
It is your money and your dream after all.
I read somewhere the 350 SC was available in any model of car that year.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on January 30, 2009, 07:06:14 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
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What are ya talkin about Steve? This last reply is by me...the author...and it's about the 58 Plymouth that MLC is restoring for me...which this thread is all about!!Leaburn...I have not been out to Minnesota yet...I wrote all the detail in the contract though...it totally covers me in the fact that the Fury I'll be getting will be verified by Chrysler Historical. I can also revert to the original plan, A Christine (Belvedere). After this news though, I may not wind up with this car you see in the photos now. What I don't understand is that it's a matching numbers VIN/motor. How Chrysler Historical can say that the motor is not original to the VIN?? Think about it...Someone would have had to find a matching numbers motor to put in this car with this VIN number on it. What are the chances of that? The last five digits do match...on the VIN and motor!...I've seen photos! I'll be going out there when the winter fades. Yes...you are right Lea...350's were avaiable in all models in 58 only...so it could very well be a Belvedere...that I'm not surprised about...It's the matching numbers thing that has me scratching my head...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif) furyfever2009-01-31 00:12:18
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 30, 2009, 07:37:31 PM
Remember,the 350 SC was a PACKAGE regardless of trim level.
I would assume someone chased down the matching numbers----or someone is pulling the wool over yer eyes--or the shop's..
I had seen my share of fake tags..Anybody could have made a VIN tag to match the motor number.There are people out there that know how to play the gumbers name just to jack the price up on a car.
I am not discrediting the shop building your car,it is possible someone played them.
Just a hunch. 
Remember,Plymouth pumped out the cars as fast as Dr.Ballard could pump out dog food.

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 30, 2009, 08:50:27 PM
when did Mopar start putting the actual VIN # on the blocks? I thought it wasn't until the late sixties when the # appeared on the oil pan rail........maybe your engine is a "correct casting date block" instead.....

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 31, 2009, 01:33:03 AM


You're working yourself up in a tizzy over details that TO ME are unimportant.  Build the car of your dreams.

BTW, if the VIN and the enine #'s match, how the hell can they say the motor is not original to the car?
UNLESS they can say VIN xxx had engine # yyy, or vise-versa...


Commando12009-01-31 07:13:53
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: firedome on January 31, 2009, 04:18:57 AM
The only other Mopar that had the 350 B wedge was the '58 DeSoto
FireSweep - my car. All other '58 DeS had a 361, and no other division
had a 350 in any form. In the 'Sweeps case, it was a low tune motor
with 2 bbl carb and single exhaust, as it was the low line model, which
is fine by me, I'm not a leadfoot anyhow. Alot of '58 Plymmies have
been faked in numerous ways, thanks to "that" movie... I also would not
be at all surprised if the MN folks had been mislead. In any event,
dont' let it bother you, it'll be a super cool car regardless, and
don't worry about investment value - unless you intend to sell soon!
Me, my car will be stock, but I'm painitng it a non-Mopar color just
because I like it!



I'm with Leaburn - if it were mine I'd update the brakes, mechanicals... and I wouldn't paint it RED!!



Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on January 31, 2009, 05:08:53 AM
Quote from: stitcherbob
when did Mopar start putting the actual VIN # on the blocks? I thought it wasn't until the late sixties when the # appeared on the oil pan rail........maybe your engine is a "correct casting date block" instead.....
 
furyfever2009-01-31 10:26:06
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 31, 2009, 01:50:45 PM
Here is another one--a 57.
20 grand to start...
(http://i5.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/2c/fb/d923_1.JPG)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1957-golden-fury-mopar-2X4s_W0QQitemZ230321226256QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6411QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1957-golden-fury-mopar-2X4s_W0QQitemZ230321226256QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6411QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 31, 2009, 02:06:26 PM

Quote from: CBarge
Here is another one--a 57.
He's out of his mind.   Almost sounds like a scam.

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 31, 2009, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: Commando1
Quote from: CBarge
Here is another one--a 57.
That is when built price,I assume--not as seen unrestored.
 
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 31, 2009, 02:37:14 PM

Quote from: CBarge
That is when built price,I assume--not as seen unrestored.
That's what I'm talking about....(http://www.massmopar.com/yabb/Smilies/crazy.gif)

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on January 31, 2009, 02:48:16 PM
Have you guys checked the price guides for 57-58 Furys lately?
 
#1 car = 52k (avg.)
 
furyfever2009-01-31 23:12:54
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on January 31, 2009, 07:19:54 PM
What Steve is saying is we're placing posts in this thread that belong in the BS section(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on January 31, 2009, 07:23:10 PM
Why didn't the guy wait til May or June and show us FINISHED pix of the restored car.  Then you'll be talking 50k, but  he'll probably tack on the price of the resto to the 20k.  Nobody's gonna bid 50k for that pile o' junk.  99% rust free? that means it's at least  1% pure rust.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 31, 2009, 08:46:05 PM

Quote from: CBarge
Here is another one--a 57.
20 grand to start...
(http://i5.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/2c/fb/d923_1.JPG)

I turned in his first auction to Ebay and they shut him down...he was selling the car at a starting bid of a couple of grand and said "buyer has to have it restored though me or no sale"....that was against Ebay rules

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 31, 2009, 11:42:19 PM



Quote from: furyfever
Have you guys checked the price guides for 57-58 Furys lately?

Don't get me started on those price "guides" ..... (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)

Quote from: ebay feedback from honl
(http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/icon/iconNeu_16x16.gif)Kick this man off Ebay!  Didn't mention any of the prblms w/car!  NOT EBAY MATRL
Commando12009-02-02 17:08:19
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on February 01, 2009, 07:58:36 PM
This one stinks on ice, with a clothes pin on yer nose, and 100 yards away!
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Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Snotty on February 02, 2009, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/5/Offtopic.gif)
 
I find signs like this off topic; I wish they'd stop appearing.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Snotty on February 02, 2009, 11:52:24 AM
Bob, here's my thought:  If you want the car - the original one form this post - and you like the price, buy it and do what you want.  Numbers Matching?  Original Motor?  Number 1 of ???  Much ado about nothing.  It's alaready modified as I said earlier, so orginality is gone.
 
If you want it, get it, do what you want with it, and enjoy it!  Unless you're paying "numbers matching" money for it, none of that stuff matters.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on February 03, 2009, 04:05:32 AM
Quote from: Snotty
Bob, here's my thought:  If you want the car - the original one form this post - and you like the price, buy it and do what you want.  Numbers Matching?  Original Motor?  Number 1 of ???  Much ado about nothing.  It's alaready modified as I said earlier, so orginality is gone.
 
 
That's a good thought Snotty thanks...I felt that I would have had a little equity (when finished) if it turned out to be an authentic Fury...Now that's it's been found to be a Belvedere...(but still has the rare 350 motor)...I'm not so sure the price tag will drop very much...and I know the book value on a Belvedere is much much lower than a Fury..(should I ever want to sell-I don't want to be buried in this thing if you get my drift(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)) Let me tell ya...Building these cars from the ground up is not cheap...It isn't cheap if you do it all yourself let alone hire it all out! There may be two more potential Furys available-details I do not know...but I will have to play the waiting game all over again (at least 2 months to get where we are now with the Belv.)...Which means the dismantling, shipping, dipping, shipping back etc etc will have to happen again with another car (Fury)...We'll see what happens...God willing...some day before the great day of the Lord...I'll have myself a 58 Plymouth in one color or another with either a 318 or a 350...It will have dual quads on it though (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on February 03, 2009, 04:25:46 AM
As far as these HUGE yellow signs that keep appearing...by some guy named Polaraco??? I see he's got my back...Thanks ol buddy ol pal, I appreciate ya...
 
furyfever2009-02-03 09:36:58
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Rick Chaplin "julio" on February 03, 2009, 01:07:49 PM
Well,,,,, I'm gonna jump in here,,,,, again.
 
The motor and VIN #'s matching in the '50's was a 50/50 deal.  (could be as much as 60/40.  40% of those had matching VIN and motor #'s.)  Some matched and some didn't.  It didn't make much differnce.
DON'T loose any sleep over it.  It doesn't really add that much to a FwdLk vehicle, because of how the #ing system worked back then.
It wasn't untill '62, that Ma MoPar changed the #ing system.  THERE, a matched set of #'s, IS IMPORTANT!!!
"62 is also the year that is considered the start of the muscle car era!  things were more docoumented.
 
Those carbs in the first page, sure look faimiliar!  I'll bet a dime to a small hole do-nut, that those are the carbs I saw, held in my hands, last year in Flordia.
If they are the same carbs, they are REAL #'s, 350 GC, 2, 4's!!!
There MUST be heat spacers under each carb.  If, for some reason they don't put them under, or have the wrong kind,,,,, 1/8" thick gasket a 1/16" piece of aluminum, another 1/8" gasket material.
That is the way the OM 350 spacers were.
Ok after much research, I got the felpro part #'s for replacement gaskets and made the aluminum part out of a old road sign.  What part of the aluminum stuck out from the carb/gaskets, I polished.
I got pictures someplace showing the part #'s and what they should look like,,,,,,
 
There are two differnt kinds of '57, 8 skirts.  One is plain and the other has a rolled lip along the bottom.
I had 'em both, and prefered the skirts with the rolled lip.  Mine were black and the bottom lip was hard to see.
I'd get 'em both, (you can find them on ebay.  OM STEEL Foxcraft)
As far as pins and holes,,,,,,, I think,  the plain set had a small bracket that bolted back there on the wide part of the rear fender lip.  Unless oneg ets down and look, it can't be seen.  Especailly if you have the car lowered a bit in the rear. 
 
The 350 2bbl was used in a bottom rung Dodge in '58, also.
 
As far as those piss yeller signs go,,,,,,,, (sigh) just go look at the source,,,,,,,,.
 
Now I can take this WAYYYYYYYY off topic, by posting about the 312 Y-block, 'bee hive' 2, 4's that came on the '56, '7 Fairlanes, and T-birds!
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Rick Chaplin "julio" on February 03, 2009, 01:20:56 PM
Bobby, when yer Fury is ALL done and you drive it, and get the first scratch/dent/Bird poop stain, I'll trade you a old cast iron, 16 horse Kohler, John Deere riding lawn mower, and a Chevy C-60 dunp truck for it.
 
I know you are religious, but, are you open minded,,,,,,?
There are these little 'minituare Boogie men' that run around and all they do is put dents and scratches on nice things.
To ward off these 'spirits' there is a little bell you can get to hang descretely,  in a hidden spot, or out in plain view.  just so long as the bell 'dingles'.  that dingling sound is what puts the fear of God in the boogie men, and scares them away.
Or, in descrete places, take a center punch and delibertly punch a ding.  The minituare boogie men see that ding, and think one of them has been there before, leaves you car/vehicle alone, and goes looks for another target.
 
Don't ask why, but the bell trick, and you delibertly making a small dent, works!
 
That is why I asked if you were, ,,,,,,, 'open minded'
 
ALL biker/Harley places sell those little bells,,,,,,,,,.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Mike on February 03, 2009, 01:40:18 PM
Holy Crap , Rick Where the crap have ya been?

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 03, 2009, 02:55:32 PM
is that where the term "ding-bell" comes from?(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

oops I got dingbat and dumbbell mixed (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)

I like the idea of "pre-disastering" the car so it is already damaged, but I doubt the boogiemen and I could agree on a place to put it..... they would want it on a shiny surface while I would put it on the inside of a lower control arm (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)


Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on February 03, 2009, 03:25:26 PM
Thanks Rick...I thought about that already. I told the body man at MLC to make it wavy...don't block sand it at all...that way I won't even see any dings/dents.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on February 15, 2009, 04:09:42 PM
Welding has begun!
Body ready to be lifted off of chassis.
Cutting weak/rusty floor out.
These guys keep a nice clean shop.
Looks like entire floor has been cut out in this photo.
Replacement floor pan...That's one of the actual movie Christines there in the background....I hope they don't upset her!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif)
We're still waiting on Chrysler Historical for the build record. Christine or Factory Fury?..not entirely sure yet....can't get too upset if she becomes a Christine with a 350 GC though.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)furyfever2009-02-15 21:12:45
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: firedome on February 16, 2009, 06:30:56 AM
Please ... ANYTHING but another RED '58 FURY!!

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on February 16, 2009, 04:43:08 PM
Sorry Roger...I've always wanted a Christine ever since 83 after I saw the movie. I equally like the factory Buckskin Beige Fury...but if it's not a real Fury...if Chrysler can't back the VIN number up what would I gain by turning a Belvedere into a factory Fury?
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: 300rag on February 18, 2009, 03:44:48 PM
Here's one ready to go for you. Just bring cash(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___58-PLYMOUTH-BELVEDERE-350-305-Golden-Commando-MINT_W0QQitemZ190284709465QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item190284709465&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A-1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___58-PLYMOUTH-BELVEDERE-350-305-Golden-Commando-MINT_W0QQitemZ190284709465QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item190284709465&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A-1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on February 18, 2009, 05:50:19 PM
Thanks Peter, Yeah...This one has been up for sale for quite some time now...Really nice car but lots-o-money...I'm having one built similar to that one for a lot less.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Steve on February 18, 2009, 07:08:47 PM
other than brakes. . .Have you planned any other upgrades on it?
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 18, 2009, 07:54:15 PM
I do not like they way they are using the swing arms of the hoist in relation to the body.That is incorrect.Just my opinion.
Look at the way the red strap is tied to the X brace in the driver's door.Added stress that is not needed and can cause alignment issues down the road when fitting sheetmetal,car can be twisted or not square.Just my opinion.
Get the body on a rotisserie or support the body from underneath--again just my opinion.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on February 19, 2009, 04:07:58 AM
Quote from: CBarge
I do not like they way they are using the swing arms of the hoist in relation to the body.That is incorrect.Just my opinion.
Look at the way the red strap is tied to the X brace in the driver's door.Added stress that is not needed and can cause alignment issues down the road when fitting sheetmetal,car can be twisted or not square.Just my opinion.
 
Yeah...you're right Lea. They really must trust the temporary weld on that X-brace huh?  When they get to the point of fitting the doors on I hope they fit properly. Ahhh..just beat in the high spots and get the bondo out right? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) No doubt...I agree that a rotissierie would be the way to go here...I'm sure that will be the next step. They definitely have rotissieries...I'd be willing to bet that they're all in use at the moment. They've obviously improvised by using the lift  because I've repeatedly nagged him about getting the metal work started.
 
furyfever2009-02-19 09:16:43
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Snotty on February 19, 2009, 09:49:01 AM
Quote from: CBarge
I do not like they way they are using the swing arms of the hoist in relation to the body.That is incorrect.Just my opinion.
Look at the way the red strap is tied to the X brace in the driver's door.Added stress that is not needed and can cause alignment issues down the road when fitting sheetmetal,car can be twisted or not square.Just my opinion.
 
I'm wondering, do you have an opinion about this?
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Steve on February 19, 2009, 01:25:16 PM
Quote from: Snotty
Quote from: POLARACO
I kinda agree with Scott on a car like that. . . .
 
 
Brother Steve, that was not what I was saying; I think you misread my words.  I said "go custom."  I am not a factory stock fan.  I find factory correct cars quite boring, but that's a personal taste issue.
 
On that, in my opinion, if a car is in all factory condition - like your "virgin" - I think it should be left that way.  But if a car is ragged and needs a total makeover - like Bob's Plymouth - then it's a good candidate for customizing.  If the car has already been taken beyond factory original condition I always say, "Why not?"  Since Bob's already has the upgrades it's not factory, so....
 
I will say that when people take a pristine, factory correct car and customize it I go crazy!  That's why I will not watch "Overhaulin" and shows like that.  There are plenty of trash cars available to customize that pristine ones can/should be left alone.
 
 
It depends on the car too.  A totatally 100% correct Letter car is worth allot of money
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 19, 2009, 02:16:03 PM

Quote from: POLARACO
It depends on the car too.  A totatally 100% correct Letter car is worth a llot of money
Then it bcomes a garage queen that you're afraid to drive and,  to me,  it's then 100% worthless.


Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Steve on February 19, 2009, 02:35:35 PM
[/QUOTE]
 
I agree (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif)  But many people are afraid to drive their cars even in the rain.  Polaraco goes out in the snow!  Biggest mistake I made was those wheels.  The salts got to them.  Now I have to polish them
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on February 19, 2009, 05:02:39 PM
OK...Just talked to Edwin at Memory Lane Classics...Here's the scoop on the way they lifted the car in those latest photos. Those x-members are welded into the door frames solid and are there to keep the body rigid while the floors are replaced/repaired...They're extremely strong and are also used to lift from/support the whole body shell while they do the floor work. A rotisserie cannot be used while they're cutting/replacing the floor because the rotisserie mounts to the inside of the floor. My guess was wrong...They have 15 rotisseries and are rarely all full. So the next step once the floor is in is to get the body shell onto the rotisserie.
 
Bob
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: firedome on February 20, 2009, 04:02:04 AM
"always wanted a Christine ever since 1983 after I saw the movie" 



You're not alone, apparently! TEHO, but

Christines are becoming the '57 Chevys of FLs.



Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on February 20, 2009, 04:38:22 AM
[/QUOTE]
 
TEHO??? Don't know that one yet Roger...You know....that very thought has crossed my mind especially when I had the chance to upgrade to the Fury (that apparently is not a true Fury now). Then I thought...Have I ever even seen a Christine driving on the road or at a show? And I honestly could answer that question with a resounding NO....I can't really argue with myself for what I like now can I? It's obvious from your replies that you do not like Christined 58 Plymouths....which is totally fine...to each his own...I know you're practically the lone fin guy here and would like some company. Still not sure why this site is called Moparfins?..are you? I love it here but not sure where the name came from...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) I wish my decision would make you and everybody happy, but it won't. I just hope I'm happy with my decision...because I really am still at 50-50!
 
furyfever2009-02-20 13:37:34
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 20, 2009, 06:10:09 AM
TEHO =

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/TEHO (http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/TEHO)


Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on February 20, 2009, 06:37:12 AM
Thanks Stitch...your'e a real Bob...I even said "to each his own" in my reply and it still did not register...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Steve on February 20, 2009, 08:16:33 AM
I guess Dollar Wise, a Christine clone will get you a larger return to your investment.
 
I'm all up for safety upgrades. . .  But try to make it reversible.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on February 20, 2009, 08:35:42 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
I guess Dollar Wise, a Christine clone will get you a larger return to your investment.
 
 
Please elaborate Steve...Christine clone vs. what will get me a larger return on my investment? If you're comparing the factory Buckskin Beige Fury I would think the Fury would be much more valuable...any day, any time...
 
I did forget to mention I'll be getting seat belts...only the 4 way power disks plus the seatbelts will be "safety upgrades"...all other things I mentioned I would not consider safety upgrades. If it's to be a Christine...it's already a customized car...why would it be important to make them reversible? 
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 20, 2009, 09:02:31 AM

Quote from: stitcherbob
TEHO =

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/TEHO (http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/TEHO)

Do you ever get any work done Mr. Link-to-Everthing? (http://www.massmopar.com/yabb/Smilies/whistling.gif)

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 20, 2009, 09:10:00 AM

Quote from: Commando1
Quote from: stitcherbob
TEHO =

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/TEHO (http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/TEHO)

Do you ever get any work done Mr. Link-to-Everthing? (http://www.massmopar.com/yabb/Smilies/whistling.gif)


I didn't know what it stood for either, so I googled "TEHO" and that was the foist thang that popped up....sheesh, Mr. "Link-to-Ebay-cars-I-can't-afford"!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 20, 2009, 09:18:51 AM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)


Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on February 20, 2009, 09:22:40 AM
StitcherBob(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/catfight.gif)Commando1
Now now boys...behave!
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: firedome on February 20, 2009, 03:47:31 PM
I'm not sure why it's called Moparfins either, given the population,
but I do like it here... spending considerable time at other FL related
sites like I do, one can get jaded pretty quickly on the whole
Christine schtick, a bit cliche, however the car itself is beautiful.
Aaron Kahlenberg of WPC documented all the spent carcases in a junkyard
after the movie production, which can still be seen on FL.net. TEHO





















Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: firedome on February 21, 2009, 03:29:41 PM
let's make that carcasses, hee hee  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on February 22, 2009, 01:36:40 PM
I would think the Fury option would give you the most bang for the buck......I remember an elderly gentleman looking at a 1958 Fury at Spring Fling....he leaned over and said "son, that's the most beautiful car ever made".........the Christine thing is OK, but not some folks cup of tea.....only the hardcore movie buffs really go bananas over those.......now if I could just get people to stop following me when I drive her......(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 17, 2009, 06:10:53 PM

For you Bob

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/10/img132.jpg)


Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on March 17, 2009, 08:14:26 PM
Wow that's cool Bob, where'd you find that gem?
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 17, 2009, 10:41:03 PM
I posted it in Interesting old car ads....
 
it's an inside front cover from Motor Trend 1957
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on March 18, 2009, 04:33:47 AM
Thanks Stitch...That is very cool. love it! I have to print that out...
 
Bob
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 18, 2009, 07:02:11 AM
I can e-mail you a sharper copy - PM me your addy

Steve's site only allows 175KB....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)


Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 18, 2009, 07:24:10 AM

just post the link where you stole it from.  That way he can D/L the original.

Better yet.  I just noticed this in the ad:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/24opzrs.jpg)
Commando12009-03-18 12:32:23
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 18, 2009, 10:32:11 AM
I scanned it from the magazine....I am sending it as soon as I re-scan it cuz it was only saved as 142 KB! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)

Someone should check ebay and see if anyone ever ordered that poster!


Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 18, 2009, 10:51:13 AM



Quote from: stitcherbob
Someone should check ebay and see if anyone ever ordered that poster!

I'll check with Mitchell's....

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)

Or as an alternative:

link (http://www.allposters.com/-sp/1957%20Plymouth%20Fury%20Hardtop%20Coupe_i4609986_.htm?AID=1577398651)

(http://imagecache.allposters.com/images/pic/PF_New%5C462008%5C/4609986%7E1957-Plymouth-Fury-Hardtop-Coupe-Posters.jpg)

Link (http://www.imagekind.com/FrameShop.aspx?IMID=6c62f1eb-8efe-4359-b239-8d5fd6127099)

(http://www.imagekind.com/services/frame_enginexIMID=6c62f1eb-8efe-4359-b239-8d5fd6127099&sizeId=2&cropLeft=0&cropTop=0&cropRight=0&cropBottom=0&frameId=602&topMatId=1324&topMatSpacingTop=3&topMatSpacingLeft=3&topMatSpacingRight=3&topMatSpacingBottom=3&glazingId=4&materialId=1)
Commando12009-03-18 15:02:56
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on March 18, 2009, 08:48:28 PM
I'll drink to that !
 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on March 18, 2009, 08:58:55 PM
 (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l195/mocus1/58fury5.jpg)hurst12009-03-19 00:59:38
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on March 19, 2009, 05:23:02 AM
Very Cool photo there Hurst1...I saved and posted this over on the Christine Car Club. There's a lady over there named Christine (ironic huh?) that has just finished restoring a 58 Plymouth (Christine) pedal car....She will get a real kick out of this! Thanks...
Bob
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 19, 2009, 07:55:43 AM

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/10/59fury3.jpg)


Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 19, 2009, 08:04:42 AM


(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/10/img138.jpg)

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/attachments/10/img139.jpg)

stitcherbob2009-03-19 12:06:20
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stan Paralikis on March 19, 2009, 09:33:06 AM
 (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif)  I can only imagine what that one is worth....

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on March 19, 2009, 01:40:37 PM
Read all about it in the new Hemmings Classic Car......

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: firedome on March 19, 2009, 04:33:52 PM
Shoot, I knew I shoulda renewed HCC, mine just ran out... some spoiled
kid in my 'hood had one a them electric kiddie T - Birds around 1958 -
I was sOOOOOO  jealous!

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: steve fogel on March 19, 2009, 08:03:09 PM
O that is sweet!  Dang, and somebody had a 58 Plymouth fiberglass pedal car body on EGay about a year ago.....I knew I shoulda bought it for my son......
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on March 20, 2009, 05:28:33 AM
Hi Guys, As I mentioned earlier, Christine from Michigan who is a member of the CCC  (Christine Car Club) restored this little 58 Plymouth pedal car below. I posted all the photos of them over there at the CCC. She said she'd love it if I shared her pride and joy with you guys. She has a whole case full of Christine items in addition to the pedal car. This is what she wrote: Notice how she refers to the pedal car as "He". Opposite of what we refer to our cars as "She".
 
Bob, those little cars are beautiful, and I'd love it if you posted my car over there. Be sure and tell them He does stuff by remote. Motor sound, lights, music and talks....... all at high volume. I'm stile a little over whelmed by all the attention Jrs been getting. Thanks for adding to my fun. Christine
 
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/biggreenfury/car2.jpg)
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Rick Chaplin "julio" on March 20, 2009, 10:34:11 AM
mmmmmm, lookey here!  The 5th jacket I have seen!  Wonder where she got it?
 
2 were on ebay, a # of years ago, one sold for $700 and something , the other jacket bidded up to $600 and something, but, didn't meet reserve.
 
'Bout the time Fearless Leader switched over to his new site, the 3rd jacket popped up on ebay, and I was able to get the winning bid.
Which Billy Gibson bought out my huge "Christine" collection, and he now has the jacket.
 
Martin has the 4th jacket,,,,,,,.
 
Hey Billy!  Lookey here at this display!  Something for you to get an idea.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on April 28, 2009, 09:49:05 AM
Here's a few new photos guys. Edwin told me that the welding is only a few weeks away from being complete...then off she goes to the body shop. The frame is to be painted this week as well.
 
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e45/bigredfury/bobny222.jpg)
 
Looks like 10 tons of work! These photos bring back memories of when I worked in the body shop...when I was in my teens and early twenties. Those sparks flying also bring back memories of when I got metal in my eyes and had to go to the eye doctor to get them removed...every blink was another scratch on my eyeball...because the metal rusted/attached itself to my eyelid...Man that was painful! Nope...Don't miss this work at all. Makes me grateful to be able to afford to pay someone else to build me the car of my dreams...Thanks Edwin...Thanks MLC
 
furyfever2009-04-28 22:35:31
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: firedome on April 30, 2009, 06:47:03 AM
Now me, I like the body work part, even better than mechanical--- it's
like bringing a car back from the dead... seems like most cars go to
the graveyard because of terminal rust.

Looks like they're doing a "bang up" job on her (Christine no doubt) Bob!



My DeSi is going to get dogleg and quarter metal patches fabricated in
the next few weeks by a guy who worked in the body shop at Miller Dodge
here for 35 yrs... when I get it back I'll do all of the fairing-in and
finishing work in lead, just like back in the old days.  The best
body work book I've seen is "The Key to Metal Bumping", a trade book
published by Fairmont Tool and Forging in 1953.





Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Steve on April 30, 2009, 08:11:44 AM
You're going to find the lead is not what it was today.  Lead content is way down. . .You know EPA rules
 
USC All Metal is a gread substitute for that and finishes to a finer finish.
 
I found out the hard way on Polaraco about the leading.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: firedome on May 01, 2009, 03:45:57 AM
My source of lead is my Great Uncle Clyde in Vermont's big box of lead
ingot bars from the olden days... I have a plaque from Texaco that they
gave him after 25 years as a Texaco dealer... in 1948!  He had a
garage in S. Woodstock that specialized in Model A Fords. We got lots
of old Ford tools and signs and other good stuff when he retired around
1981. That lead is probably 70 yrs old!... almost as old as you Steve!

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on December 07, 2009, 07:57:27 PM
Ok guys...This is extremely sad news for me...but I thought you should all know about it. I've also put this link up in the vendors area. Please read and spread the word so noone else gets burned like I have.
 
http://ccc.informe.com/forum/vendor-advertising-feedback-f11/bad-business-memory-lane-classics-of-chisholm-minnesota-t1836.html (http://ccc.informe.com/forum/vendor-advertising-feedback-f11/bad-business-memory-lane-classics-of-chisholm-minnesota-t1836.html)
 
 
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on December 07, 2009, 08:33:06 PM

I hope you are going after them.....all the resto shops in this neck of the woods keep their noses clean because they are afraid of a little thang called

"TRIPLE DAMAGES"


Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on December 08, 2009, 04:00:17 AM
[/QUOTE]
 
I am going after them in every way I know how Bob. The internet is just one of the ways...They are not keeping themselves clean at all. I am very saddened to hear how widespread this is and I'm sure I'm just seeing "the tip of the iceberg". What do you mean by triple damages?
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: firedome on December 08, 2009, 05:53:48 AM
Really sorry to hear this heartbreaking story - I elaborated on the
other thread... been wondering why we hadn't heard for awhile...



Bob, they probably don't have the cash - maybe one way out would be to
negotiate to get the car back with 25K total worth of car & parts
and get it finished here in NY... if you do get it back I can highly
recommend a friend in Norwich, White Barn Restorations,  who
specializes in restoring Mopar Muscle but likes FLs, he has my old 57
Plymmie Burb wagon. I think I mentioned him last year before you
committed to MLC. He painted my MGB.  I can send you pics... he's
more or less "local", just below Syracuse. Great guy to work with.



Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on December 08, 2009, 06:11:21 AM
Roger, Thank you very much for your good thoughts. If they'd only be upfront with me. My goodness...If they came to me and said "we don't have the money" I 'd be more than happy to get the truth and try to work something else out....They just keep on telling me that I will get paid...only to keep coming up with excuses when another deadline goes by. The father, Scott Verdung even told me over the phone: I swear on my mother's grave that I will pay you back in full. I will not run with your money. The son, Edwin Verdung told me, I have never screwed anybody and I'm not about to start with you. I have that one in writing.  The last deadline was this past Saturday December 5th....The day before, (Dec. 4 ) they sent me a fake wire transfer form stating that the money had been wired into my account. After checking into it yesterday their bank told us that they could not verify that the form had come from them. So in other words this form had been drawn up by someone other than the bank employee who's signature was on it....and guess what...My bank verified that no money was on it's way too as did their bank.  If I could get a car out of them that would be great...but that's not going to happen when I can't get a straight story from them about anything. There's more too. I've gotten the NYS police involved. New sordid tales are emerging each day. I am not the only one that has been ripped off. If there is a day when I can come back from this devastating experience I will surely consdier the restorer you have mentioned. I'm only 1.5 hrs from Syracuse.
 
Thanks again Roger,
Bob
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Rick Chaplin "julio" on December 08, 2009, 06:23:41 AM
HO fesec!  Oh crap!  Oh stineroo!  Oh ^%$#!
 
Trusting, suposidly, a 'friend' and now going through this,,,,,,,  Bobby, you the same as got kicked in the teeth, then spit on while yer laying there bleeding!
 
I KNOW there is absoulty nothing I can do ,,,,,,,, but lend a shoulder, (that won't resolve the situation)
 
I was 'looking forward' to your "FURY"
 
The Postal Inspectors, won't get involved unless you used a official Postal Money Order,,,,,.
But, I would STILL go to you head PO, (NOT your little branch) and fill out a form of mail fraud, and see IF they can help you.
 
I have three misdealings with ebay like that.  Ebay woldn't help me.  So I filled out the forums for the PO, and it took a year, but they (the Postal Inspectors) DID arrest a college student that was scamming people on ebay.
The other, I cancled.
The third took a year and a half, but i finally go my $$ back.
 
Does anyone know how Bily Gibson is doing?  He took Garvie's car up there for them to do a total restoration on?
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on December 08, 2009, 06:44:47 AM
Quote from: alumcanTandThd
HO fesec!  Oh crap!  Oh stineroo!  Oh ^%$#!
 
Trusting, suposidly, a 'friend' and now going through this,,,,,,,  Bobby, you the same as got kicked in the teeth, then spit on while yer laying there bleeding!
 
I KNOW there is absoulty nothing I can do ,,,,,,,, but lend a shoulder, (that won't resolve the situation)
 
I was 'looking forward' to your "FURY"
 
The Postal Inspectors, won't get involved unless you used a official Postal Money Order,,,,,.
But, I would STILL go to you head PO, (NOT your little branch) and fill out a form of mail fraud, and see IF they can help you.
 
I have three misdealings with ebay like that.  Ebay woldn't help me.  So I filled out the forums for the PO, and it took a year, but they (the Postal Inspectors) DID arrest a college student that was scamming people on ebay.
The other, I cancled.
The third took a year and a half, but i finally go my $$ back.
 
 
Hi Rick, Thanks for your thoughts ol' friend...Unfortunately, I did not use an official PO Money Order. I initially sent/payed them $15k with a personal check and then a month later I wire transfered them an additional $10k to upgrade to the Fury. Billy Gibson was instrumental in my decision to do this. I talked to him prior to signing the contract along with several others who were all ecstatic about their work. Martin Sanchez spoke highly of them too. For those of you who don't know, MArtin has the other movie car and it's up there at MLC too. But it was Bill's decision to go with MLC that was the real "clincher" for me. I figured that if he was trusting them with his "movie car" it was all going to be alright and I was going to get the best of the best. This couldn't be any farther from the truth. Thanks for your thoughts. If you have any other suggestions I'm all ears...Thanks, Bob  
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Steve on December 08, 2009, 07:19:48 AM
Bob
 
Refresh my memory.
 
These guys are outside Syrecuse?
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: firedome on December 08, 2009, 07:22:53 AM
Bob, it may be if you give them an "out" by offering to take an
existing undone, or partly finished car, and parts, equivalent to your
cash (value'd have to be determined by a neutal appraiser I'd guess)
they'd perhaps may be willing to play ball just to close this out and
get you off their back.... this is how a business would look at it
generally... cut losses and move on.  If things get too
complicated with lawsuits etc, only the lawyers will benefit in the
end! 

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on December 08, 2009, 07:37:27 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Bob
 
Refresh my memory.
 
 
Steve...
 
http://ccc.informe.com/forum/vendor-advertising-feedback-f11/bad-business-memory-lane-classics-of-chisholm-minnesota-t1836.html (http://ccc.informe.com/forum/vendor-advertising-feedback-f11/bad-business-memory-lane-classics-of-chisholm-minnesota-t1836.html)
 
It's a good story if you click on the link...worth your while...but if not...The title of the link tells you that they are in Chisholm, Minnesota.  
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stan Paralikis on December 08, 2009, 08:25:08 AM
Sounds like another Aloha Automotive Services scenario.  A lot of good people got screwd there, too.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on December 08, 2009, 04:52:52 PM
Triple Damages:
http://www.newjerseylemonlawlawyerblog.com/2008/06/new_jersey_consumer_fraud_act_1.html (http://www.newjerseylemonlawlawyerblog.com/2008/06/new_jersey_consumer_fraud_act_1.html)


Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Steve on December 08, 2009, 05:37:48 PM
Hmmmm
 
All I got was a blank page
 
Try contacting the bank where the money went.  Your bank ought to be able to give you all the information.  Then when you tell that bank, you may be able to get a phone number.
 
I guess i better get the ol' wagon out of hibernation.  I suspect you and I may be taking a ride to Minisota.  I'll bring some beef with me.  We can bring it to Rochester or make arrangements with someone else where a set of eyes can be put on the car.  Like Bob's or mine.
 
There are several guys around here who are good.  Or if you want to wait for it, I can take it to my guy, who is anal and one heck of a body guy.  This way we can watch the car for you and make sure it's done right.  Maybe even put our fingers in it to help.
 
I feel your frustration. . . .  You better act on it quickly before it's gone.
 
I'm on that roll because I just filed against a customer for defrauding me out of 65,000 bucks.  The American Indian mob is worse than any of the other ones.  You just don't read about us.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)  And no, Hoffa was not part of the tribe.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 08, 2009, 05:45:29 PM
I REALLY NEED MY PASSPORT--NOW!! (http://www.massmopar.com/yabb/Smilies/baseballbatr.gif)(http://www.massmopar.com/yabb/Smilies/baseballbatr.gif)(http://www.massmopar.com/yabb/Smilies/baseballbatr.gif)CBarge2009-12-08 22:46:48
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Steve on December 08, 2009, 06:58:46 PM
Yeah  there you go. . .
 
Lea picks you up, we meet somewhere down by Rt 80 and go get the car.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on December 08, 2009, 07:17:52 PM
Bob 
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Steve on December 08, 2009, 07:26:53 PM
I would get the car out of there, pay for what has been done and get it to someone who will be close enough for you to keep an eye on it.  Or one of us can. . .  I know I certainly will for you. 
 
I don't have a closed trailer, but it's big enough to haul basket cases.  Not looking forward to going to Minisota this time of year though. . .  But for you and the cause I will.
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Stitcherbob on December 08, 2009, 10:10:02 PM
If he got ALL of his money back, then I don't believe there ever was a car for him there.....he got pics of another customer's car underway and they lied about his being built.  I would walk away and start fresh....I know someone in Sebring  who scans every for sale ad and auction(....talk about anal(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)) .....he'll find you another Fury!

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on December 09, 2009, 04:41:42 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
I would get the car out of there, pay for what has been done and get it to someone who will be close enough for you to keep an eye on it.  Or one of us can. . .  I know I certainly will for you. 
 
 
Steve...They were supplying the car. I never owned one....Now that I'm paid back there's no car to go get. You're so kind to offer such a generous gift to me! To know that you can haul cars? Now that I'll be looking again for that prized 58 Plymy??? Hmmmm. I may take you up on that offer one of these days. I know generally what the haulers charge...so if you want to make some money in the future, I would love to know you could do such a thing...You're the best Steve...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Bob  
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Robert Rottman on December 09, 2009, 04:45:39 AM
Quote from: stitcherbob
If he got ALL of his money back, then I don't believe there ever was a car for him there.....he got pics of another customer's car underway and they lied about his being built.  I would walk away and start fresh....I know someone in Sebring  who scans every for sale ad and auction(....talk about anal(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)) .....he'll find you another Fury!
 
Yes Stitchr...58 Belve (2dr ht only).....or Fury (lots o' change...ouch) maybe though.?..I'm a lookin' ...so if you could let him know to give you/me a shout I'd surely appreciate that! Thanks Bub...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
 
 
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: firedome on December 09, 2009, 04:56:20 AM
Hey that Sebring dude is our own Stanleeee! Nothin gets by him....

Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Steve on December 09, 2009, 07:26:39 AM
I forgot what the deal was.  But now it's all coming back to me
Title: 1958 350 GC Plymouth build
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 09, 2009, 03:01:49 PM
Well,that's a relief.
Yet I was prepared to use one "oops I left it at home" at the border and I did gaz up the car last night.Snow tires have been on for a while andd ready to tackle anything.