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Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: attkrlufy on October 20, 2008, 07:53:18 AM
Real fast - is there a difference in performance between the electronic ignition boxes with different colors?  I've seen:

Orange
Blue
Silver
Black
Others?

I feel like I'm looking at a Johnny Walker product line.  Orange boxes seem to be the most popular.  Is there a reason?


Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Snotty on October 20, 2008, 09:50:56 AM
With an original MP system, the oriange was for a standard advance curve, then came the other colors whose position I don't know.
 
I now have a silver one as the orange one burnt up.  But, I got it from my local parts, not from MP.  Although MP (Mopar Performance) had a color designation, I don't know if the silver one I have means any thing at all.
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Steve on October 20, 2008, 11:18:56 AM
If you're looking at Johnny Walker, go for the gold.
 
Man there's one I can't answer.
 
Let me ask you what you are planning to do? 
 
 
Rich Eherenberg says
If it isn't breaking up at high RPMS, you're wasting your money.  He is refering to coils and boxes.
 
Try asking him at Mopar Action Magizines web site.  Tell him Steve from Jersey sent you.
I'll send him the link to this page in the mean time.
 
Very good topic (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Herman on October 20, 2008, 12:31:33 PM
If you like to get stranded at the most inconvenient places, get yourself a MP Orange ECU...
Ask me how I know.

'nuff said (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)




Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Steve on October 20, 2008, 01:49:15 PM
I got an answer beack from Ehrenberg
 
He said:
 

The more expensive ones have higher current capacity and are able to handle lower-resistance ballasts and "hotter" coils from drag racing use. The gold one should not be used on the street.
 
There is no "advance curve" in any of these.
 
For typical street use, an AutoZone cheapy box works just as well.
 
Any C-D ignition (MSD, Crane, etc) is an upgrade from the simple MP "amplifier" type system.
Rick

Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Ken on October 20, 2008, 02:11:49 PM
I prefer the Black Label m'self, even though the Gold and Blue are nice...OH!  You WEREN'T talking about whisky?

 Get yourself a NAPA/Echlin replacement unit, and don't worry about the color.  That's my two bits.


Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Steve on October 20, 2008, 04:45:46 PM
Had to make me moderate didn't ya
 
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POLARACO2008-10-20 22:22:24
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Matt Aker on October 20, 2008, 05:26:27 PM
[/QUOTE]
 
What???  NO BOOZE???  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
Just get the standard replacement if you suspect a problem.  The Echlin from NAPA is a good replacement, I've sold them and trusted them.  With a stock ignition you don't need the high-performance orange and blue boxes.
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: glen cyr on October 20, 2008, 05:35:20 PM
The MP boxes had an "rpm peak" as to decide which box to run!. I'm only pulling this from the depth of my brain so don't quote me on this! The Orange box had a limit of about 5,500 rpm before it started dropping!. The Silver (chrome) box had about a 6,500 limit and the Gold was 6,500+. The old (US made)Orange boxes were so much better than the new Mexican made boxes and apparently they do FAIL alot!. The aftermarket boxes are mostly all the same,just different colours depending on the vendor!. I had an old orange box on my Duster and that 340 would scream to 7,200 and when i changed to a "chrome" box it still would,nt go any higher,so the valvetrain was definately the limiting factor there,and not the boxes!. I switched to an FBO system and NO problems on the 418" stroker small block now!. here's an interesting chart on the different boxes! http://www.4secondsflat.com/a688dropcyltest.html (http://www.4secondsflat.com/a688dropcyltest.html) Check out their other info on ignitions for mopars,....as you just plug it in and go play,.....but with all the voltage that the well designed ,BUT limited potential that a STOCK system has!
 
Glen
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Steve on October 20, 2008, 05:53:38 PM
******* Polaraco squints*******  Glen is that you?
 
Good info
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: attkrlufy on October 20, 2008, 06:26:59 PM


Quote from: POLARACO
Let me ask you what you are planning to do?
When I started this, I posted a question here a few months ago about which hi-po
aftermarket ignition system to use - and got a ton of great advice.  By
the end of it, Polaraco (the person) inspired me with tales of what he
did with Polaraco (the car).  So now - at some point in the future
(5-10 years) I want to put a Magnum 318 / A518 drivetrain in....so I'm
ditching any major plans for the 360.  Why bother when it's eventually
coming out?

So in about two weeks, I'm scrapping my 360 4v's lean-burn and going with an electronic ignition.  I don't want anything fancy - I just want it to run better than it's running now.  I'm looking for that perfect intersection of drivability, emissions, fuel economy, and power.

.....Oh, yeah.  And I don't want it to break down.

I'm impressed with all the Johnny Walker label enthusiasm here.  Good thing I didn't mention wanting a "Belvedere."  Am I talking about the car - or the Vodka?  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)attkrlufy2008-10-21 03:24:44
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Steve on October 21, 2008, 05:01:39 AM
I'm impressed with all the Johnny Walker label enthusiasm here.  Good thing I didn't mention wanting a "Belvedere."  Am I talking about the car - or the Vodka?  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)[/QUOTE]
 
So it's your cabinet I can raid for some booze.  Is that a colorful cabinet?
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Tony Sauer on October 21, 2008, 06:04:55 AM
I have run the FBO, chrome and orange boxes and luckily have never been stranded.  I wouldn't run the orange in anything but a stock application.  I have run the chrome and FBO boxes in 500-550 hp street cars and never really noticed a difference between the two.  The chrome was run with a blaster 2 coil and FBO with a FBO coil.   My 62 Newport build is going to get the full FBO ignition and as always, I will have my backup orange and chrome boxes in my box of just in case's in the trunk. 
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Snotty on October 22, 2008, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
There is no "advance curve" in any of these.
 
If this was in responce to what I had said, I did not say the box had an advance curve, I said they are set-up for different advance curves - voltage.  The Orange Box was sold as being for standard advance.  I know, I bought an entire MP system new.
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Snotty on October 22, 2008, 09:53:23 AM
[/QUOTE]
 
I don't know what state you live in.  Be sure to check your local smog laws before you toss the Lean Burn.  If you replace it but need to pass "factory original" inspections, you will need to put it back on to do so.
 
Hopefully, you're in a state where the check the emmisions and not the motor.
 
Stinking California!!!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Steve on October 22, 2008, 11:03:14 AM
It will run better and cleaner with the conventional set up.  Not to worry. . .
 
Not all of us live in California. . . . .
 
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: attkrlufy on November 04, 2008, 09:17:05 AM


Quote from: POLARACO
It will run better and cleaner with the conventional set up.  Not to worry. . .
That's what I'm counting on.

One thing I forgot to ask:  Does the EGR valve have a gasket between it and the manifold?  I can't find info on that one way or the other.  The FSM doesn't show one...but I just want to double check before I order the new part.

I ask because my Autozone guys are real nice....but only one one of 'em knows cars.  So if he's not there I can't count on them for help.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)
attkrlufy2008-11-04 14:19:50
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 04, 2008, 02:06:29 PM
The EGR does have a gasket.But I just goop Ultra Copper for a good seal.
Actually,if you plan on blocking the heat crossover,it will not work anyways.Just keep it there for the smog police.
Even though I am running electronic ignition,I zip-tied the LeanBurn harness to one side and left the pooter attached to the air cleaner --again should I need to keep the smog police happy.
 
As for the ECU's I am a cheap ba$tard so I use partz jobber cheapies.
The key is recurving your distributor to your application and super fine tuning for economy and power .
 
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on November 05, 2008, 01:56:07 AM
Very timely.  I'm about to set up the dizzy for my 440-WOB.  The cam is profiled for max torque at 2800 RPM.  How should I recurve the dizzy for this?
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Stitcherbob on November 05, 2008, 04:34:04 AM
http://www.moparaction.com/Tech/quest/SLOW_CURVE.html (http://www.moparaction.com/Tech/quest/SLOW_CURVE.html)




Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on November 05, 2008, 11:14:16 AM
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That's exactly the info I was looking for!  Thanks!
Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Stitcherbob on November 05, 2008, 03:07:45 PM
Now put Mopar Action in yer Favorites or Bookmarks or suffer 20 lashes by a wet noodle!

http://www.moparaction.com/Tech/index.html (http://www.moparaction.com/Tech/index.html)

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Title: Ignition control boxes. Color = ?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on November 06, 2008, 01:01:41 AM
Never saw that page before.  Great Link.  Once again, THANKS.