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Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Dan Streb on October 19, 2008, 03:28:09 AM
Bought a 1960 Suburban that ha been sitting for a number of years and may need a new engine. - locked up tight.  Will a late model 318 fit?  say a 79 Cordoba?

Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 19, 2008, 04:28:33 AM
Firstly.............
 
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Any Mopar small block (318, 340, 360) would be a "drop-in" with minimal or no fuss.
 
Nowm how about some pics of that Suburban? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
 
(http://i34.tinypic.com/6pb28y.jpg)
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Steve on October 19, 2008, 05:46:05 AM
Quote from: lonemalt
Bought a 1960 Suburban that ha been sitting for a number of years and may need a new engine. - locked up tight.  Will a late model 318 fit?  say a 79 Cordoba?
 
First of all
[color=#66ff00 size=7]Welcome[/color]
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Steve on October 19, 2008, 05:49:26 AM
Now. . .Stan gets a gold star.  But let me ad lib just a tad.
 
360's are externally balanced.  So if you are looking to go 360, you'll need to use the torque converter or flywheel.
 
POLARACO2008-10-19 11:08:10
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Matt Aker on October 19, 2008, 05:54:53 AM
[color=#0000ff size=7]WELCOME![/color]
 
Great advice so far!  I knew a guy who put a 440 in a Lark Daytona.  It sounded great, and ran even better (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)   He surprised many a Cuda and Vette owner!
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Dan Streb on October 19, 2008, 06:15:45 AM
It's only got 55,000 miles on it but was last driven in 1973.  Stored indoors in dry Montana; may be a real project I don't know.  I'm going out to see it in three weeks but meanwhile I had my sister (bless her mechanically inclined heart) pour some Marvel Mystery Oil down the spark plug holes.  I'll unhook the gas line to the carb, get a can of starting fluid, throw a battery in her and hope for the best.  <p> <img src=http://home.neo.rr.com/dstreb/suburban1.jpg>
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 19, 2008, 06:19:44 AM
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(http://home.neo.rr.com/dstreb/suburban1.jpg)
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Steve on October 19, 2008, 06:21:16 AM
Bring an 1 1/4 socket and a breaker bar
 
Used Diesel oil and PB Blaster will usually unlock a car like that.  Dry storane?  It's probably not locked bad at all.  PB Blaster and the used Diesel oil are great.  The soot in the diesel tends  to act like graphite.  The PB mixed in, tends to saturate the rust locking the cylinders and shrink it.  It will have to be done several times for it to whick it's way all the way around the cylinders.  It's best if you leave the blugs out until it spins freely.  That will give the oil a chance to get up to the top without any damage because the pressure won't be on the parts.
 
POLARACO2008-10-19 11:23:33
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Steve on October 19, 2008, 06:24:33 AM
Quote from: Commando1
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(http://home.neo.rr.com/dstreb/suburban1.jpg)
 
Is that it?  Wow
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Matt Aker on October 19, 2008, 06:29:44 AM
NICE (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
 
'60 Plymouths have been a hot topic around here for a while.
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 19, 2008, 06:30:16 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
I can send you a quart of used diesel if you want it. . .I just made 3 gallons yesterday.
Yah, but, it ain't as good as the old fashioned stuff.
This low sulfer oil in low emissions engines just can't make as good a brew as grandpa used to make... (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Steve on October 19, 2008, 06:39:42 AM
Quote from: Commando1
Quote from: POLARACO
I can send you a quart of used diesel if you want it. . .I just made 3 gallons yesterday.
Yah, but, it ain't as good as the old fashioned stuff.
 
This is the high sulpher oil.  I don't use it because I don't have any cats now
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on October 19, 2008, 06:43:43 AM
WELCOME!!!!! That is a sweeet looking wagon!!!!! Looks like all it needs is a wash and it will be show ready!!!
The 318 is pretty much bulletproof so if you do what Poloraco and Commando said I'm sure it will be purring in no time!!!!
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Snotty on October 19, 2008, 07:09:04 AM
Is the transmission bolt-pattern on an old Poly 318 the same as an LA motor?  I don't know or I wouldn't be asking.  If it is different wouldn't he need to go with an early motor, and "A" instead of an LA??
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 19, 2008, 07:37:43 AM
(http://1960plymouth.com/wagon.jpg)
(http://www.lastsummer.com/wagon/aply.jpg)
(http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/pictures/1960_Plymouth_Sport_Suburban.jpg)
(http://www.adclassix.com/images/60dodgedart_plymouthwagon.jpg)(http://www.autobooksbishko.com/products/stdImages/4157.jpeg)
(http://www.cars-on-line.com/35300/60ply35302-1.jpg)
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Steve on October 19, 2008, 08:22:44 AM
I am pretty sure the cast bell will bolt to an LA.  But to be sure, I'll ask Sproketbuster.
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 19, 2008, 11:03:20 AM
Jack in Clayton,NY has a good running 66 318 Poly for sale cheap.
315-783-0540
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Dan Streb on October 19, 2008, 12:41:15 PM
I'dd add pics but don't know how. here's another <img src=http://home.neo.rr.com/dstreb/suburban2.jpg><img src=http://home.neo.rr.com/dstreb/suburban3.jpg>
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 19, 2008, 03:43:23 PM
(http://home.neo.rr.com/dstreb/suburban3.jpg)
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: chuck lowe on October 20, 2008, 12:21:58 AM
mopar performance says yes they will interchange but with a slight difference they don't state . one alignment pin and one bolt hole doesn't match up . can't remember wich ones at this time but even so it's a direct bolt up early A and LA--------------------later 60 dart2008-10-20 05:23:34
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: firedome on October 20, 2008, 03:07:43 AM
As the resident Fin-Master here (current owner of a '58 DeSoto 4 dr
hardtop and former owner of a '57 300C vert, '58 NY'er vert and 58
Dodge Royal sedan) - we say - Great Car!!!!  That engine looks
amazingly original and clean (under the dirt!): look at the paint on
the air cleaner and valve covers!! Nice find!!! 

Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Steve on October 20, 2008, 03:49:37 AM
Quote from: 60 dart
mopar performance says yes they will interchange but with a slight difference they don't state . one alignment pin and one bolt hole doesn't match up . can't remember wich ones at this time but even so it's a direct bolt up early A and LA--------------------later
 
Thanks Chuck
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 20, 2008, 04:07:21 AM
(http://home.neo.rr.com/dstreb/suburban2.jpg)
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 20, 2008, 04:22:00 PM
That is one sweet wagon!
I would nurse the engine back to life being such a nice car.
They are original only once.
 
I spent two weeks breathing life back into my engine that had not run since 1974.Runs fine.
Steve had a motor that sat for almost twenty years,I helped him install it,along with Potato,and we got it running.
 
 
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Matt Aker on October 20, 2008, 05:36:44 PM
Spin in a new set of plugs and throw a set of points at it and see what happens!  That Plymouth is AWESOME!
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Dan Streb on October 22, 2008, 01:38:36 AM
Thanks for all your help; I'll keep you all informed about my progress.  First order of business is to clean it and see if I can get it to run.  There's no key so I'll have to hotwire it - hope I still remember how.  Which side of the coil do I run the wire to the battery before I bridge the solenoid?

Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Steve on October 22, 2008, 04:17:16 AM
Positive.
 
But I suggest yo go to the high side of the ballast resistor.  The coils were intended for 9 volts.
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Dan Streb on October 22, 2008, 04:29:34 AM
Which is the high side?  That's that white ceramic thing on the firewall right?  At least it was on a 75 Aspen I once owned years ago.  You're saying connect a wire from the battery to the high side of the ballast resistor then bridge the solenoid with plier handles and the engine (if free) should commence spinning?  

Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Dan Streb on October 22, 2008, 04:32:04 AM
Also if I was to get a set of points for it - are the ones available new from the friendly neighborhood auto parts store OK or are they cheap Chinese junk?  Should I be looking for NOS?

Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Dan Streb on October 22, 2008, 04:34:39 AM
Also I see there's a Simca next to my online name - I learned to drive stick on a 1963 Simca; I remember my Dad old womaning about it saying it must have had a graphite clutch as they wore out so fast.  2 kids learned to drive in that car - THAT's why the clutch wore out.  

Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 22, 2008, 04:38:13 AM
Just about 100% of aftermarket parts are manufactured outside of the U.S.
NOS, IF you can find them, would not be worth the effort, unless they're laying around anyway.
AdvancePepZone brand name points all work fine.
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Steve on October 22, 2008, 04:57:22 AM
Quote from: lonemalt
Also if I was to get a set of points for it - are the ones available new from the friendly neighborhood auto parts store OK or are they cheap Chinese junk?  Should I be looking for NOS?
 
See that?   I took my drivers test in a 65 Simca
Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Dan Streb on October 22, 2008, 07:03:53 AM
If I get out there and realize it's too big a project for me what realistically could I hope to get for it as is?

Title: What year 318 will fit?
Post by: Steve on October 22, 2008, 08:03:49 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: lonemalt
Also if I was to get a set of points for it - are the ones available new from the friendly neighborhood auto parts store OK or are they cheap Chinese junk?  Should I be looking for NOS?
 
 
Points are available almost anywhere.  So are the caps and rotors.
 
Re the value. . . .
 
I have to look in my book and give you approximates.  But I may be interested in it myself.  (Now that he heard that, he may not give it up (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif))
 
I'll give you 100 bucks for it (http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/rofl%5b1%5d.gif)(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/rofl%5b1%5d.gif)(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/rofl%5b1%5d.gif)(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/rofl%5b1%5d.gif)(http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/rofl%5b1%5d.gif)