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Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Johnny D. on September 20, 2008, 08:09:09 PM

the starter is fine...

the problem seems to be, the car doesnt know the shifter lever is in park... so you go and turn the key and nothing happens... but if you grab the lever and move it around in the park selection (while still trying to start the car) eventually it finds the sweet spot and starts... but the problem is that it seems that sweet spot is getting harder to find...

MobStaffCar722008-09-21 01:15:44
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Stitcherbob on September 20, 2008, 08:24:05 PM
Neutral safety switch.........need a new one or it's out of adjustment

Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Johnny D. on September 20, 2008, 08:24:40 PM

i thought thats what they called it... wasnt sure!

who wants to tell me how to adjust it...

oh Lea ol buddy ol pal of mine..........?

or anyone really...

MobStaffCar722008-09-21 01:26:05
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Stitcherbob on September 20, 2008, 08:45:04 PM

(http://www.allpar.com/mopar/images/transmissions/case-torqueflite-transmissi.jpg)

The case is in the upper left corner. Below it are the cooler line
fittings, the shifter shaft seal, and neutral start switch. The neutral
start switch performs a couple of functions. It allows the engine to be
started when the transmission is in only park or neutral range and it
controls the electrical current to the reverse lights when the
transmission is in reverse gear (This type of neutral switch has been
used since 1969. 1968 and earlier cars had the reverse lights
controlled from a switch on the steering column or console shifter).

"The next thing you should check is the linkage; both the throttle and
shift linkage. Improper throttle linkage will give early, soft shifts
or late, firm shifts. Check this for correct adjustment often. The
shift linkage can be easily checked by insuring that the engine starts
only in neutral and park. Generally this will set the other gear
positions correctly."

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/transmissions/torqueflite-tom-hand.html (http://www.allpar.com/mopar/transmissions/torqueflite-tom-hand.html)


Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Johnny D. on September 20, 2008, 08:51:49 PM
Well lea set up my linkage pretty good while i was at hobbys... this has been going on... a few days now... too bad that pic doesnt show up at allpar either...

Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Stan Paralikis on September 21, 2008, 01:46:35 AM
(http://i34.tinypic.com/jikozb.jpg)
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Steve on September 21, 2008, 06:00:34 AM
You been doing frame twisting start ups again?
 
All that work and you're STILL only getting 10 MPG.
 
Until this is resolved, slip it in neutral.
 
Seems to me Lea said something was bent when he adjusted the trans and he traightened it.  I never saw it.
 
PUT OIL IN IT STUPID
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 21, 2008, 06:50:19 AM
When I began adjusting the kickdown linkage,the dam rod FELL OUT of the lever in the trans.I had to re-connect it.
Mobby complained- and I also noticed that the selector was outa whack .D was neutral,2 was drive.
When I was under there,it appears that when the motor mount was broken,the engine/trans was lifting and bent the linkage between the frame and trans.
I made the adjustments with P shifting through the detents.
It was fine then.
I ensured that everything was tightened up knowing full well that Meat Mountain will be manning the controls!! LOL!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Gorilla hands are tweaking the shifter trying to find the "sweet spot" <sigh>
Use your parking brake all the time and start the car in neutral.
Either the neutral safety switch is worn or the linkage needs re-adjusting.
Switch is a cheap ten dollar part.
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Steve on September 21, 2008, 03:53:08 PM
Quote from: CBarge
When I began adjusting the kickdown linkage,the dam rod FELL OUT of the lever in the trans.I had to re-connect it.
Mobby complained- and I also noticed that the selector was outa whack .D was neutral,2 was drive.
When I was under there,it appears that when the motor mount was broken,the engine/trans was lifting and bent the linkage between the frame and trans.
I made the adjustments with P shifting through the detents.
It was fine then.
I ensured that everything was tightened up knowing full well that Meat Mountain will be manning the controls!! LOL!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Gorilla hands are tweaking the shifter trying to find the "sweet spot" <sigh>
Use your parking brake all the time and start the car in neutral.
Either the neutral safety switch is worn or the linkage needs re-adjusting.
 
Are you kidding?  $10.00 part?  He owes everyone and their Uncle 400 bucks!
 
When you come up here for the trans service, I'll look at it PITA
 
Hey Cupcake!  you shouldn't own a car.  You need a scooter.  
 
Do they make size 13 scooters??? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Johnny D. on September 21, 2008, 07:35:45 PM
your a riot steve... a riot i tell you...

Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Johnny D. on October 19, 2008, 03:30:19 PM
i've replaced the neutral switch and the car still does it...

i've found that no amount of shifting the trans around lever really solves the problem leaving me sitting and turning the key to a dead system. however if i bang the steering wheel with a tap then try to start her, it catches and we're off.

so something in the coloum is out of order, my brake lights have returned to being out also, i noticed that the brake light switch goes into the coloum too... so this leaves me thinking inside there its a mess...

any advice of gettin inside the coloum and what to look for?

ALSO HOBBY when are we attacking this trans... we gotta talk 3rd members and heating too...

Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Stitcherbob on October 19, 2008, 03:32:02 PM
Solution: Remove new motor mount and new carb and place onto another car.....junk present car (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Johnny D. on October 19, 2008, 03:35:53 PM
you're a pal bobby....



Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 19, 2008, 04:56:03 PM
Mobby..
JUST FIX IT!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Seriously,before Nadine is destroyed,get the brakes running on the Caddooac,and in your spare time address all the issues she has been presenting to you.
I suspect that the steering wheel will have to be pulled,and replace the turn-sig switch and ignition switch the same time.If you had smoke waffing from the column, in the past,she was trying to tell you something.If you had not done the MAD wiring conversion do it at the same time.Takes a load off the ammeter guage and ignition switch making the car's electrical system more reliable.
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Mike on October 19, 2008, 05:20:10 PM
That'd be good and all, except for the fact that he sold the Junk...  And what's this MAD conversion?

Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Steve on October 19, 2008, 05:27:14 PM
Ignition switch.  Have you looked at the connector at the bottom of the column?
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 19, 2008, 05:40:49 PM
Quote from: BigMike
That'd be good and all, except for the fact that he sold the Junk...  And what's this MAD conversion?
http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/amp-gauges.shtml (http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/amp-gauges.shtml)
Basically,Big Mike loop a good guaged wire from the BATT stud of the alternator and using a fusible link,connect it to the BATT stud of the starter relay.
You should do this to the green F3 you just bought.
NO more nuclear meltdowns at the bulkhead connector,and/or behind the dash.
Both my old 71 Coronet and  the C Barge suffered meltdowns.No problems since I rewired them.
I did the MAD to the BOAB right away before setting a battery in it.
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 19, 2008, 05:50:04 PM
I am concerned that should Mobby ignore --or should I say put things off-that Nadine will end up a crispy C
(http://www.car-accidents.com/pics/carphotos/1-13-04_a.jpg)
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Steve on October 19, 2008, 06:02:10 PM
Quote from: CBarge
Quote from: BigMike
That'd be good and all, except for the fact that he sold the Junk...  And what's this MAD conversion?
http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/amp-gauges.shtml (http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/amp-gauges.shtml)
Basically,Big Mike loop a good guaged wire from the BATT stud of the alternator and using a fusible link,connect it to the BATT stud of the starter relay.
You should do this to the green F3 you just bought.
NO more nuclear meltdowns at the bulkhead connector,and/or behind the dash.
Both my old 71 Coronet and  the C Barge suffered meltdowns.No problems since I rewired them.
 
Leaburn!  What's wrong with you!
 
Don't go giving him ideas like that without someone who knows what he is doing.  It's hard enough to get him to start and finish one project.  No bypasses yet.  The charging system is working fine.
 
Mike, I gave you the list to work on. . . Do that. Then we'll work on that stuff when you are driving the car.  Get the brakes done.  That's the biggest one.  Then you can take day trips up here for the accessories and quick repairs.
 
Mobby needs an ignition switch, or maybe a relay. 
 
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Steve on October 19, 2008, 06:04:47 PM
Quote from: CBarge
I am concerned that should Mobby ignore --or should I say put things off-that Nadine will end up a crispy C
(http://www.car-accidents.com/pics/carphotos/1-13-04_a.jpg)
 
On Star strikes again!
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Steve on October 19, 2008, 06:09:43 PM
[/QUOTE]
 
I'm not going to help you if you are going to run off in 20 directions without asking.
 
I'm pi$$ed at you now.  I told you it was NOT a safety swu\\itch, but you didn't listen.
 
READ MY LIPS!  FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Stitcherbob on October 19, 2008, 08:16:40 PM

http://www.moparaction.com/Tech/quest1/DODGE_GREMLIN.html (http://www.moparaction.com/Tech/quest1/DODGE_GREMLIN.html)

This sounds like Mobby's problem. For info on what the %*&$ Leaburn was talkin about read the next post....but unless Mobby changed his alternator with a heavier duty one, he probably won't need to fix this part....

stitcherbob2008-10-20 01:27:50
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Stitcherbob on October 19, 2008, 08:25:45 PM
From the Imperial site:

"QuestionIs it
      possible to build a shunt or jumper across the back of the amp
      gauge  to take some of the load (read heat) off of the gauge
      itself? Would you, should you put a fuse in the shunt/jumper to help prevent
      a harness meltdown since the gauge kind of serves that purpose now? I have
      always thought this design feature of a Chrysler product, of running the
      entire charging/elect. system through the gauge was a poor idea and has
      left many a person stranded and ticked off (me included) Just an idea, comments?

      Reply :
      Actually
        the shunt is built into the ammeter. If you look closely, you will see
        that a fairly heavy piece of metal connects between the two posts of the
        ammeter. This is one reason they are as durable as they are. Some of the
        designs, however, have the posts bonded to the metal shunt by staking
        the posts against the shunt - this appears like a small spur of metal
        spread out from the post mashed down against the shunt metal. Sometimes
        there is also a piece of insulating material between the two and there
        is only a pressure contact between a shank on the post and the shunt.
        If there is any overheating at all for any reason, the fiber insulating
        material used chars and begins to fall away from the area leaving a loose
        connection which causes even more overheating of the connections and erratic
        operation of the gauge. Sometimes these can be repaired using nuts of
        the correct size and thread along with suitable "star washers"
        to re-establish a good connection between the shunt metal and the posts
        (after first cleaning away the remaining charred insulation material).
        I was able to repair the ammeter gauge on a Dodge pickup this year for
        my son this way. Be prepared to make front to back depth adjustments if
        necessary to the dash area that receives the gauge if the extra nuts push
        the gauge too far forward when installed in the instrument cluster. How
        to do that is left to your own investigation and imagination. 
      One
        common cause of problems to start with is people who mistakenly install
        a heavier alternator for the original, thus forcing heavier current through
        the original gauge than it is designed to handle. My son's pickup suffered
        from this. The original alternator was a 75 amp unit which had been replaced
        with a 120 amp unit. The original ammeter circuit fed the ammeter leads
        through a bulkhead connector to the ammeter and back through to charge
        the battery. The contacts in the bulkhead connector were not designed
        to handle 120 amps. Even the 75 amps originally intended may have been
        marginal! The heavy current charred the contacts, started corrosion of
        the contacts which made the problem even worse and eventually almost ignited
        the plastic insulation of the bulkhead connector. Examination of the service
        manual showed that although the same ammeter was used for both applications
        (regular duty and heavy duty alternators) units produced with the heavy
        duty alternator routed wires through a feed-through grommet in the firewall
        instead of going through a bulkhead connector. They knew that the connector
        could have no hope of holding up under that kind of current. We had to
        modify the engine compartment wiring from the alternator all the way through
        a newly installed feed through grommet and back into the firewall to the
        battery etc. to cure the problem along with repairing the ammeter as described
        previously. 
      The
        average mechanic would never have understood the issues involved. Thank
        goodness for my electrical engineering training! Most mechanics are no
        help on issues like this. Check your car to see if it has had a larger
        alternator installed than originally called for. You could have the same
        or similar problems."


Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Johnny D. on October 20, 2008, 04:29:11 AM

see thats way better bobby...

NOW:
Steve, you gotta understand, i've got nine folks tellin me what to do, and about 300 little things wrong... stuff gets crossed up, even Matt and Bob had suggested that a Nuetral switch could be an issue and it was within my range of do ability.... I tried and if anything else it was preventitve for when that was gonna go...

With no heat or fan control, a bad heater core, a clanging 3rd member, a lack of brake lights, and a whinning transmission rounding out this months problems... Im sorry if when i attempt something it throws everything off kilter, maybe i shoulda just let P look at it? that seems to be the only thing i do right anymore...
MobStaffCar722008-10-20 09:47:57
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Stitcherbob on October 20, 2008, 06:42:31 AM
Here's what ya do Mob:
Right here, make a list of all the things that are wrong or broken with your car...#1, #2 , etc

ITEMIZE!

We will then look at it and see what is a stand alone problem or what could be a combined issue. We'll rearrange the list in order of urgency and then P will have something to go by.

All problems sound worse when 20 people tell you what to do in your ear, but 20 people on this forum can probably sort out and fix this mess.


Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Steve on October 20, 2008, 07:31:11 AM
[/QUOTE]
 
That's your damned problem!  You listen to too many people!!!  Who are the ones who always end up straightening out your messes after you don't listen???  You didn't think of that. . . .
 
Do what bob said, but prioritize the issues.
 
Like starting is number 1.  It's getting cold, so you need heat. . .#2 ect.
 
When is the last time you checked the oil and is it still leaking?
 
I can't keep going down there.  I have you and Mike  (BM) under my wing now.
 
Don't listen to those damned kids down there. .  . That always gets you in more trouble.  I'm almost 3 times your age, Lea is twice, Bobby is twice, Stan is the creator of the earth.  You think we might know what we're talking about?
 
If we can work this out right, we'll have a blitz.  That is if I can get bobby out of bed on a Sunday before noon
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Steve on October 20, 2008, 07:33:24 AM
I'm still mad at you
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Stitcherbob on October 20, 2008, 07:09:48 PM
....and Stan is gonna be mad at Steve now (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Stan Paralikis on October 21, 2008, 01:16:54 AM
I'm getting into my Conestoga wagon and leaving now...
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Steve on October 21, 2008, 04:53:57 AM
and I'll get mad at bobby
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Steve on October 21, 2008, 04:58:08 AM
John
 
Yer full of soup
 
I've tried all the approaches on you.  No matter what I do, you still go off your merry way or don't follow instructions.
 
The boys and I have concluded you shouldn't own a car.  Move into the big city where yo don't need a car. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
Frankly. . .you're driving me nuts.  I din't mind taking you under my wing, but you have to stop consuming my time with vicious circles.
 
Love ya like a son. . .But right now I'd like to drop ya
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Stitcherbob on October 21, 2008, 03:35:07 PM
still waiting fer that list Mob.....we'll put it in order of urgency and we will group together the common problems....

do it before Steve blows a blood vessel......


Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Steve on October 21, 2008, 03:46:18 PM
Bob
 
Get that heater core from Mark.  He needs that
 
BTW remind B Henry I need those tires put on.
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Stitcherbob on October 21, 2008, 03:48:52 PM
I won't be near B Henry  for next 3 days...better call him.

Remind O Henry I want that candy bar.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)


Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Mike on October 21, 2008, 03:53:20 PM
This will be an extreme session of HSM.

Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Steve on October 21, 2008, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: Potatoe
This will be an extreme session of HSM.
 
Don't you mean PMS?
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Leaburn Patey on October 21, 2008, 04:17:11 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: Potatoe
This will be an extreme session of HSM.
 
Potatoe Mobby Stitcherbob
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Mike on October 21, 2008, 04:19:09 PM
Negative Steve, I've always called it HSM, I'm sure you know what it stands for.

Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Stitcherbob on October 21, 2008, 08:00:13 PM
Hobby Slaps Mobby (upside the head)

Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Johnny D. on October 22, 2008, 08:30:36 AM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif)

1. no brake lights... thats a ticket.
2. no heat. (this involves both the controls. and the core)
3. turn signal or igniton switch problem that makes me whack the wheel to start the car.
4. Ring and pinion in the rear is clapping probably going to break off.
5. transmission needs new gaskets and a band adjustment.
6. big old hole in the trunk where the leaves crashed through...

all this by 77,777 miles... as of today.

MobStaffCar722008-10-22 13:30:57
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Steve on October 22, 2008, 08:56:14 AM
I think we can get all but the ring and pinion done in a day.
 
I have a 323 here, but it's noisey and the sure grip needs to be rebuilt.  I suppose you could use that until we get the other rear fixed.
 
You also need lower control arm bushings and front shocks.
 
I pulled out my lower A Arm spares to rebuild last night.  I was going to rebuild a set for Lamb Chop and you.  But that will require a whole day to do.  We'll need to change a set of arms, then I will need time to rebuild that set for the next car.  It takes about 3 hours to do the bushings unless I get lucky.  I would need two skilled pairs of hands for them.  We may be able to do them in a day if it's not too cold and raining.  I would think the 2 coarse meal can handle the nuts and bolts of it.  I have all the right tools we need.
 
POLARACO2008-10-22 13:57:59
Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Johnny D. on October 22, 2008, 10:58:20 AM
and you're still mad at me... I know....




Title: something witty about starting the damn car
Post by: Steve on October 22, 2008, 11:00:04 AM
Next choking is a real one
 
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