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Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Tony Sauer on September 12, 2008, 04:48:05 AM
Hi everyone - I'm new here and was hoping one of you may be able to help me out.  I'm wondering what headers will fit a B or RB engine in a 62 Newport/300?   It currently has a 383 out of a 68 model car with factory 62 383 log manifolds.  I am clueless as to what will or won't fit, and also why they will or won't fit, so any help is appeciated.  Yes, I'm a newbie.
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Matt Aker on September 12, 2008, 05:56:51 AM
Mmmmm...  fresh meat!  ER UMM...  Welcome to Fins Tony! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)  I't good to have you here!
 
Herman (BigBlockMopar) is using a set of Hedman headers on his awesome 1960 NYer.  Here's a link to his car's progress.
 
http://www.moparfins.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=130 (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=130) 
 
The engine pics start on page 6 or 7, have a look-see!  You'll be glad you did (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)  Polaraco (The big cheez) will be back tonight.  He has a lot of experience with '62 Chryslers.
 
Again, WELCOME!
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Tony Sauer on September 12, 2008, 06:35:41 AM
Thanks for the link.  That is a great thread, with lots of good pictures and info.  Gonna save that one for sure. 
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Butch Houghton on September 12, 2008, 06:42:35 AM

I dare say the Shumacher Tri-Y's would fit too but are a lot more expensive then the Hedmans.


Butch

HemiFury2008-09-12 12:02:09
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Tony Sauer on September 12, 2008, 07:04:18 AM
Howdy Butch - Sold the 4 door to a guy from Australia and he's currently running it in Hot Rod Drag week.   I have my eye on a 62 Newport (always love the 62 300, but a Newport will do just fine).   I want to put a nice stroker in it but was hoping not to spend 1500 on custom headers.  Don't know if the little block huggers or tri-ys will do it.  Then again, my 4 door is running HP manifolds and has gone 11.50's.  If the Newport is really 3800lbs as I have heard, that is only a couple hundred pounds heavier than my 63 4 door.  Maybe the shorties will be OK?  Hows the hemifury doing these days?  Man I love that car!
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Snotty on September 12, 2008, 07:50:51 AM
Tony - welcome!
 
Where did you find big-block shortys?  I found a set once but cannot remember.
 
You asked about the fit problems.  As I understand it you can put almost any B/RB header on the passenger side.  The problem with the early Chryslers is the clearance between the steering box and the brake lines on the driver's side. 
 
I saw that some sites were recommended.  I also know that a good muffler man can build you a set of custom headers - my guy here in the Bake can do it.  Corey (Stinger) put a set on his Fury, but his car is a fusey.
 
Good luck!
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Tony Sauer on September 12, 2008, 09:45:41 AM
The headers used on the 1960 New Yorker in the link above is Hooker HED 78070.   They are shorties.  They have got to be better than any exhaust manifold, but still it would be nice to have a full length header that would  fit without major modifications.   If the only restriction on the drivers side is the brake lines, I would think the lines could be relocated, no??  I wonder if A body TTI's would work?  They hug the block pretty close.    I know they can be custom made, but its big bucks around here.  1500 and up.
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Butch Houghton on September 12, 2008, 10:29:55 AM
Sold it already!   Didn't even get to see it finished!

Fury's doing fine, even better with some upgrades....a pleasure to drive finally.

Sounds like you've got something fun in the works again!    I like your style!

Butch


Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Snotty on September 12, 2008, 12:34:07 PM
Thanks, I will take a look at those Hookers.
 
It's not just the brake lines, but the steering box too.
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Steve on September 12, 2008, 01:37:20 PM
[/QUOTE]
 
Heh
The Old Fart can remember his name, but he knows his Mopars. . . . .
 
Welcome Tony
 
FYI, I have 2 62's.  One I bought from Snotty 4 years ago and a 300H which is in the resto stage now.
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Stitcherbob on September 12, 2008, 03:10:42 PM
I was removing the DS exhaust manifold from the 62 Newport I'm junking the other day....the steering box is real close to the firewall, so they used a center dump ram's horn style manifold there. Any custom header would have to wind it's way around this obstruction, then it's clear sailing underneath.....

Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Butch Houghton on September 12, 2008, 07:34:11 PM
The 78070's are  a center dump with a slight  angle at the bottom.

http://store.summitracing.com/largeimage.asp?part=HED-78070&Prod=Hedman+Street+Hedders&img=hed-78070.jpg (http://store.summitracing.com/largeimage.asp?part=HED-78070&Prod=Hedman+Street+Hedders&img=hed-78070.jpg)

Butch


Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Tony Sauer on September 13, 2008, 03:29:53 AM
Thanks for the link, Butch.  Those are pretty small for headers, but probably a good compromise between power, affordability and simplicity.  Problem is I like lots of power, always spend too much money and tend to do things the hard way...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Butch Houghton on September 13, 2008, 04:44:26 AM
I shoulda known!  LOL!

I know Herman used some full length Hookers one one of his & if I remember he had to modify a tube or 2?    Might have to do something like that to get up around a 2" primary.

Butch


Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Snotty on September 13, 2008, 11:04:11 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
 
 
Stevo, September 2003 - five years ago!  Time flies when you're having fun!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Snotty on September 13, 2008, 11:08:28 AM
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Butch, I likey!!  But, when I looked at the "applications," no C Body was mentioned.  Have you seen these applied to a C?
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Herman on September 13, 2008, 11:37:10 AM

Shorty's mounted on the engine...


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/BigBlockMopar/440-1967/AUT19051.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/BigBlockMopar/440-1967/AUT19010.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/BigBlockMopar/440-1967/AUT18910.jpg)

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BigBlockMopar2008-09-13 16:37:51
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Tony Sauer on September 13, 2008, 12:15:28 PM
Thanks for the pics!  Are those 1 3/4 tubes?  They have got to be much better than the manifolds.  Do you see any problem in bolting up and running a 3" exhaust??
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Herman on September 13, 2008, 12:26:43 PM

1-3/4" tubes indeed.  Ofcourse not perfect for a 496" motor with alum. heads, but always better then a castiron "log" on the side.

I've connected the shorty's to a 2.5" system. I don't see why a 3" system won't work.
But I personally would then alter the very short collector of those shorty headers. The current collectors are the main bottleneck in the system I would think.
I've been comtemplating if I shouldn't modify them first before bolting them on, but I didn't give myself the time for it.
With this car, I also didn't go for every single horsepower out of the engine or otherwise I would've had to 'really' build myself a set of headers again.

Here's how the exhaust is currently running...
(quite a few bottlenecks added because of the pushed-in 2.5" bends)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/BigBlockMopar/1960ChryslerNewYorker/AUT21252.jpg)


BigBlockMopar2008-09-13 17:28:24
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Tony Sauer on September 13, 2008, 12:47:24 PM
(quite a few bottlenecks added because of the pushed-in 2.5" bends)[/quote]
 
Thats a great idea cutting off the shorty collector and adding a 3".  How long of a 3" collector do you think would fit before running into something or needing to make a turn?  Do you think there would be any clearance issues with the 3 bolt flange?  BTW, you have some great pictures to share.  Thank you!
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Herman on September 13, 2008, 01:25:40 PM

You won't be running into something when putting on a longer collector. Well maybe the ground LOL.
I would think you could fabricate a 10" long collector and still be able to fit a nice bend on it. Perhaps even weld it under a slight angle to 'point' it a little into the direction of crossmember-cutouts.

I've lowered my car about 3" all around, so I've also made sure the exhaustsystem was as close to the floorboards as possible, so it didn't hit on any speedbumps and such.

Also, next time, I will just buy a 3" mandrell bend exhaust-system from FlowMaster for instance, and make these fit under my car. The rearpart over the rearaxle is already from FlowMaster. I ordered a 2.5" axle&tailsection-exhaust for a B-body Mopar.
The exhaust is slightly too short for a C-body or any fullsize Mopar, so I put some endpieces on and all's well.
Later on I installed a set of resonators to get rid of the drone the Dynomax muffler produced inside...


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/BigBlockMopar/1960ChryslerNewYorker/AUT22156.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/BigBlockMopar/1960ChryslerNewYorker/IMG_0150.jpg)

BigBlockMopar2008-09-13 18:26:52
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Snotty on September 15, 2008, 09:47:57 AM
Do you have pictures of those clearing your power steering unit?
 
Thanks.
Title: Headers for 62 Chrysler
Post by: Herman on September 15, 2008, 12:33:50 PM

With 'those', you mean the shorty's?
There's a pic on page 2 from beneath, showing the pitman-arm.
With the shorty's the exhaust is no-where really near the PSU.


As some might recall, I have been busy with making custom headers on my '64 Chrysler NY.
But I deep-sixed that for the time being when I wasn't pleased at how the tubes where located near the PSU.

Some pics of that project:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/MoparHemi/440-Engine/AUT16258.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/MoparHemi/440-Engine/AUT16257.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/BigBlockMopar/1964ChryslerNewYorkerSalon/Engine-Headers/AUT16456.jpg)

BigBlockMopar2008-09-15 17:34:31