MoparFins

Members Projects => MEMBERS Project Cars in Progress => Topic started by: Corey on August 01, 2008, 10:16:50 PM

Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 01, 2008, 10:16:50 PM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif) well the fury is toast had an engine fire talk about having a sucky day(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif)
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Tom Atkinson on August 02, 2008, 12:41:27 AM
Not good to hear at all.  Any chance of operating to save her?
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 02, 2008, 01:36:16 AM
What???? OMG!! Details please..
How bad was the fire??
Can she be saved??
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley28.gif)
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 02, 2008, 06:53:25 AM
well as far as the fire department can tell it started from a backfire through the carb the wiring is shot the engine might be ok but i dont have the funds to bring her back and most of the parts im going to need. but yes she is salvagable.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Matt Aker on August 02, 2008, 07:12:44 AM
I'm sorry to hear this Corey!  That's simply horrible...  (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 02, 2008, 07:22:33 AM
well ya know what they say crap happens and it tends to diareha on me lol
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Bill Mounteer on August 02, 2008, 09:55:16 AM
That really sucks!

You may find that it looks worse than it really is. Engine fires are messy, especially if the fire department hosed it down with foam and powder type fire retardants. If you get in there with a power washer you may find its not as bad as it looks. I'm sure someone will have a decent wiring harness and hoses and belts are not too expensive. Other than that you may only need a few rattle cans of primer and touch up paint. It's unlikely that any major stuff got cooked unless the fire burned for a fairly long time.


Title: fury toasted
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 02, 2008, 01:08:54 PM
What motor in the car??
I may have a spare complete harness for a '68 C big block.
I can grab a small block harness no problem.
Check on how far the wires burned  going towards the bulk head,check under the dash and if the burn creeped into the dash,I have a spare bulkhead and harness.
PM me if you decide to save her.
How about some pics of the carnage???
 
 
Title: fury toasted
Post by: azblackhemi on August 02, 2008, 03:48:30 PM
Quote from: CBarge
What motor in the car??
I may have a spare complete harness for a '68 C big block.
I can grab a small block harness no problem.
Check on how far the wires burned  going towards the bulk head,check under the dash and if the burn creeped into the dash,I have a spare bulkhead and harness.
PM me if you decide to save her.
How about some pics of the carnage???
 
I too have lots of 68 parts. If you decide to fix it let me know what you need.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Johnny D. on August 02, 2008, 05:36:30 PM
corey... what a bummer man... i musta had an angel lookin at my car... it was flaming through the carb for quite a while.... jeeze man this sucks...

Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 02, 2008, 05:54:29 PM
Cbarge and az thanks for the headsup mine is a '74 but wiring i can mange as far as splicing and such it pretty much was at the top end. she has a 400 in her will post pics soon as i can get the hood opened.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Stitcherbob on August 02, 2008, 06:15:25 PM
Boy Corey, that really sux.
Hope you get it back together soon....Steve may have some shtuff too as '72 is closer to '74


Title: fury toasted
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 02, 2008, 06:22:09 PM
I have a yard at my disposal that has Formal C's in the yard.
Let me know.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 02, 2008, 06:26:30 PM
I will thanks guys.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: azblackhemi on August 02, 2008, 08:28:37 PM
Quote from: stinger1170
Cbarge and az thanks for the headsup mine is a '74 but wiring i can mange as far as splicing and such it pretty much was at the top end. she has a 400 in her will post pics soon as i can get the hood opened.
  I also have a 73 NY'er that I'm parting. Big block car. Let me know if you need any wiring from it.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 03, 2008, 01:28:08 PM
thanks AZ i will let ya know
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Stan Paralikis on August 03, 2008, 02:17:39 PM
Quote from: CBarge
I have a yard at my disposal that has Formal C's in the yard.
 
Ummm.  Helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif) After all this time, I didn't know that. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)
 
I need some rubbers.  NO.  Not that kind.
This kind:
 
(http://www.moparhemi.com/New%20Yorker%20Pictures/doorweatherstripping.jpg)
 
 
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 03, 2008, 07:19:37 PM
Sten you have a PM.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Steve on August 04, 2008, 04:13:56 PM
Sorry Corey

I was away. . . .

That's awful.  But Butch hit it on the head.  If it was confined to the engine bay, it may not be that bad.  I was a fireman. . .I've put out quite a few cars.


 
If they didn't have to use the bar on the hood, you have a running start.

It would help if we had a few pics of the damage.  Between the lot of us, we might be able to get you back up and running pretty cheap.


 
I have a couple of 4 barrels here that need rebuilding.  I swap you one for a rebuild of my other two.  There's a good start.
 
We're in thsi together.  That's what this site is all about

Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 04, 2008, 04:34:41 PM
well i was smart enough to pop the hood before it got too bad so the hood just needs cosmetics working on gettin the pics. and I thank you all.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Snotty on August 05, 2008, 11:04:18 AM
Corey, I am saddened to read this.  You have put a lot of time and work into that car.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Steve on August 05, 2008, 11:27:20 AM
Quote from: Snotty
Corey, I am saddened to read this.  You have put a lot of time and work into that car.
 
He is going to need our help.
 
I got a carb you can have, just needs your magic fingers for a rebuild.  I'll even buy the parts.
 
Leanburn, you find a harness.
 
what else does he need?
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 05, 2008, 03:16:01 PM
Ok y'all here are the pics of the damage.
 
(http://) (http://img77597.pictiger.com/images/16325564/)
 
(http://img7.pictiger.com/fc2/16325564_th.jpg) (http://img77597.pictiger.com/images/16325569/)
 
(http://img7.pictiger.com/0af/16325569_th.jpg) (http://img77597.pictiger.com/images/16325576/)
 
(http://img7.pictiger.com/832/16325576_th.jpg) (http://img77597.pictiger.com/images/16325586/)
 
(http://img7.pictiger.com/e9a/16325586_th.jpg) (http://img77597.pictiger.com/images/16325594/)
 
(http://) (http://img77597.pictiger.com/images/16325632/)
 
(http://img7.pictiger.com/44c/16325632_th.jpg) (http://img77597.pictiger.com/images/16325643/)
 
(http://img7.pictiger.com/952/16325643_th.jpg) (http://img77597.pictiger.com/images/16325651/)
 
stinger11702008-08-05 20:24:01
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Steve on August 05, 2008, 05:52:10 PM
Mostly electrical
 
Easy save
 
What is the insurance situation like?
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 06, 2008, 09:20:46 AM
not covered strictly liability

Title: fury toasted
Post by: Steve on August 06, 2008, 09:41:59 AM
Corey
 
That was NOT a carb fire.  That was an electrical fire.
 
Remember I am a trained Arson investigator.  The damage is too wide spread in the wiring to be anything else.  Plus, I caught a glimps of the air filter element which is still in tact.
 
It's either that or there was a leak in the fuel line between the pump and the carb which ignited and caused the electrical fire.  Most of the damage is to the left side in the front in the fuel pump area.  But the alt is bright, so I have to say electrical is what started it.  Maybe the Alt, shorted.
 
There were no fuesable links?
 
The dash and under hood need to be redone.  Clean her up, and you should be a go.
 
I was groggy last night when I looked. . .  surprised I didn't catch it sooner
 
let's find you a in and out harness.  Oh Lea Burn!  It's not that bad.
 
It's still a pitty.  So much work into that car. . . .
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Snotty on August 06, 2008, 10:12:06 AM
Could it have been started by a bad Power Steering hose?  That stuff is simply vegitable oil.  I had a line on the '62 NY pop and start.  I blew it out like a big Birthday Cake - it started up again and I blew again.  This went on for a while until Frances finally opened the door, saw what was going on and brought water.  By that time I was hyperventilating!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)
 
Anyway, the fire burnt everything on the driver's side of the motor, much like the pictures of Corey's car, only not anywhere nearly as bad.
 
Corey, is there a possibility your PS hose was too close to your headers?
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Steve on August 06, 2008, 10:27:26 AM
Scott
 
The damage is far worse on the passenger side, particularly in the front.  The A/C hoses are gone.  I've seen enough of these to know.  Usually the whole harness won't burn if it's a fuel related fire.  that only happens after the fire is more advanced.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Snotty on August 06, 2008, 12:02:29 PM
I understand that.  The PS hose is gone as well.  I am merely making a suggestion as to what may have started it.  It he did not put it out right away, the fire would have eventually melted the fuel hose and spread the fire to the passenger said as well.
 
Corey has done a lot of work on this motor; I doubt he would have had a bad, or loose fuel hose.  A PS hose on the other hand...how many times do we actually check those?  Even the one that split on me "looked" good.
 
It's all spectulation, and I'm just offering a possible reason for the fire.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Steve on August 06, 2008, 12:10:41 PM
There's other clues as well.
 
The heat damage is greater on the left and the hoses are completely gone on the left.  Not so bad on the right.  primary point was the left front
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 06, 2008, 02:58:32 PM
I was figurin it was electrical but the FD said it was the other and steve the fuel pump on this one is on the right side of the engine block below the alt. and it took the FD awhile to get there to put it out if only i would of had a fire extinguisher or 2 it prob wouldnt have gottent that bad.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 06, 2008, 03:34:09 PM
OK,I can get a harness.But I need to know what options the car has so I can match up the harness.
PM me the info and I can call Lawrence.
Corey,please pull the dash bezel,or at least look under the dash to see if the wires burned under there.
I need to know exactly what you need so I can get it.
CBarge2008-08-06 20:38:47
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Steve on August 06, 2008, 04:32:21 PM
Yep  That's right Corey.  I knew that.  That's where most of the damage is.  Right above it.  But the Alternator is still bright.  Go figure. 


Was the fuel line all steel up to the carb?
 
As you can see. . . .  . Help is on the way.
 
Let me know on the carb.  I think I have a 650 Elder that needs a electric choke option added.
 
The Family pools together again.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Stitcherbob on August 06, 2008, 04:46:01 PM
Ima gonna disagree wit all of ya's and say it was Ball Lightning.......

Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 06, 2008, 04:51:20 PM
fuel line was rubber from the pump to the carb. and that eddie might be a go dont know how the bowl on the TQ fared from the heat.  i will look at things a little more closely this weekend gonna try to wash the compartment out a bit to get a clearer picture of damage. the hood is warped and the hood torsion bars are shot.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Steve on August 06, 2008, 05:08:07 PM
I know it was a TQ.  They don't like heat at all.
 
I just want to do my part.  Besides.  I have a couple of rebuilds I wanted done anyway.  May as well work a trade with you. . .   I have just been really busy, as you may know, for the last 6 months
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 06, 2008, 05:15:55 PM
I know steve and i'll be happy to work that trade. luckily most of the components i need to replace wont cost much. the balast resister, ignition module, voltage reg, starter solenoid. i can get the fairly reasonably from the parts house.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Bill Mounteer on August 07, 2008, 10:17:19 AM
I disagree with the electrical fire theory, I'm seeing lots of heat damage to the wires but not the type of damage you get from a short circuit. Plus short circuits usually stay within the the harness unless the engine compartment is well coated with an accumulation of oil and dirt. I doubt there was any such accumulations in this engine compartment. What I see is a lot of top side damage, with lower down stuff more covered with soot and showing some heat damage. If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on a fuel leak high up. A rubber fuel line popping off or splitting  would do it. Also a stuck float causing a fuel to overflow one of the bowls would fit the pictures. Once the heat got to lines containing flammables the fire would really take off.

A question that comes to mind, what was used to charge your AC system? Many shops are using hydrocarbon substitutes and some of these products are very flammable. If the AC used one of these products, a small fuel leak in front of the carb could produce enough heat to comprise one of the AC lines and then it's game over. I've seen people in Calgary charge their AC systems with both propane and butane, neither of which I particularly want even near my car.


Title: fury toasted
Post by: Steve on August 07, 2008, 10:27:11 AM
I took two years of arsen investigation and was a fireman for 18. 
I have investigated numerous fires in not only vehicles, but buildings, dumpsters, forest. 
 
The origin was electrical.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 07, 2008, 04:21:32 PM
Well the A/C had freeze 12 in it. i have located some parts i just helped a guy get a 73 polara running he is derdying it and he is letting me have whatever i can use from the discards. got an alt, an ugnition module, A/C compressor, and a few other things. the harness was butchered so couldnt use it.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Steve on August 07, 2008, 04:46:19 PM
Damn
 
Real Bad?
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 07, 2008, 04:51:26 PM
yeah they cut it in so many places it would be a pain to splice back together.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Steve on August 07, 2008, 04:55:51 PM
some solder and heat shrink, a few beers and it will go pretty quick
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 07, 2008, 04:57:21 PM
its a real mees im going to check with webb though and see what he has
 
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Steve on August 07, 2008, 05:02:44 PM
I wrote to my buddy, EDSNOS on EGay to see what he has.  I can probably get a harness from him for nothing.  I do him favors all the time
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 07, 2008, 05:05:03 PM
cool that would be great steve thanks i really appreciate the way you guys are stepping up when you dont need too.
Title: fury toasted
Post by: Bill Mounteer on August 07, 2008, 05:14:32 PM

Quote from: POLARACO
I took two years of arsen investigation and was a fireman for 18. 
I have investigated numerous fires in not only vehicles, but buildings, dumpsters, forest. 
 

Time on the job doesn't always mean much, I've been married for 42 years and I still haven't learned much! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)

Considering the engine bay was most likely clean enough to eat out of, how the heck did an electrical fire find anything to burn never mind make such a mess?

Title: fury toasted
Post by: Corey on August 07, 2008, 05:24:12 PM
well the engine bay wasnt clean enought to eat off of but it didnt have a whole lot in the way of fluids either however i do tend to agree with steve cuz most of the damage is limited to the wiring. and i believe there was mineral oil residue within the compartment to.