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Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on July 27, 2008, 11:14:28 AM
The shifts in the Torqueflite in my Sport Fury take a LOOOOOONG time to complete. Under normal acceleration, the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts seem to happen at the right time, but are really slushy. With more 'spirited' acceleration, the shift issue is worse.

The fluid is clean, at the proper level and has no burnt smell. Once in gear it doesn't feel like she's slipping, but I could be mistaken I suppose.

Before I start getting bummed out about a trip to the transmission shop, could this be a misadjusted linkage problem? Seems to me I read about the linkage being directly responsible for the shifts.

Any help is as always GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks and standing-by,
Uncle Hulka


Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Matt Aker on July 27, 2008, 04:17:44 PM
I'd spend ten bucks and put a fresh tranny filter in it first.  My 383 4V Polara acted like this shortly after I bought it and that's what cured it.  It had bright red tranny fluid too...
 
How long has the car been idle?
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 27, 2008, 06:06:24 PM
Yup.I am with Matt.Do a splash and dash,filter,flush and gush.
and adjust the kickdown linkage as per FSM .
Remove the little service cover on the bell housing and drain out the fluid from the convertor as well. I believe it is a 5/16"  or 1/4" wrench you need for that.
CBarge2008-07-27 23:08:27
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Brian on July 27, 2008, 07:45:58 PM
Do as advised...simple tranny service...and then you will need to adjust the kickdown linkage...sounds like you have just a touch too much throttle pressure...the more throttle pressure you have the longer it will take to shift between gears.
 
I usually have to fiddle with my sdjustment over a couple days of driving to get it set right where I want it.
 
 
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Snotty on July 27, 2008, 08:11:00 PM
There will be about 9 quarts of fluid coming out of your pan and converter.  Use a LARGE drip pan.
 
I agree with the above.  Clean fluid will not tell you whether your filter is clogged.  Also, a toroughly clean, but non-adjusted transmission is not going to shift right.  Do adjust your bands and kick-down linkage.
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 02:26:04 AM
You see? This is why I love this place!!! I would never have thought of a dirty trans filter. And the torque converter can be drained while installed? Brilliant!

I am more than a little nervous about adjusting bands. I have a FSM that I assume will outline in detail what's involved. Are special tools required?

MoparMatt, I don't know how long the car has sat, but it appears to have been quite awhile.

CBarge, are you talking about the gasket on the torque converter drain plug?

So my shopping list will consist of:
10 qts. of ATF+4 Fluid
1 Trans filter
1 pan gasket
1 torque converter drain plug gasket (?)

If I am forgetting anything please advise.

Thanks for the great advise. I will post results ASAP.


Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Herman on July 28, 2008, 02:39:05 AM
You don't have to adjust any bands, just the kickdown-linkage at the carb.
This linkage and it's adjustment is very important to the correct workings of a Mopar automatic transmission. It controls for a great deal the oilpressure inside the transmission and the shift-points.

You mentioned earlier the oillevel is "correct".
Now, I've heard folks say that before, but they didn't know a Mopar transmission's oillevel is checked with a running engine and the transmission in "Neutral". And NOT in Park, like all the GM-transmissions in cars usually.

Good luck!


Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 08:25:07 AM
They are all right.  But I would suggest a band adjustment anyway.  You don't have to do it, but they are subject to wear and who knows when they were last done.
 
A proper adjustment will make them last longer.
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 08:26:47 AM
Hey Lea
 
Put up the band adjustment settings and proceedure will ya' please?
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Brian on July 28, 2008, 08:40:53 AM
While you have everything apart install one of these babies....
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B-M-Automatic-Transmission-Drain-Plug-Kit-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33727QQihZ005QQitemZ150274853477QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B-M-Automatic-Transmission-Drain-Plug-Kit-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33727QQihZ005QQitemZ150274853477QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)
 
A drain plug for your 727 tranny pan...makes future servicing SO MUCH simpler and cleaner.
 
I have installed these in every one of my trannies since I discovered this item some years back.  I usually install it on the pass side front corner of the pan...about a inch or so in from the side rails.
 
 
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 10:47:50 AM
I put one on Polaraco, but brazed it in.  Mine is in the rear near the bottom of the pan.  Unfortunately, I don't have a drain in the converter.
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Snotty on July 28, 2008, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: thrashingcows
While you have everything apart install one of these babies....
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B-M-Automatic-Transmission-Drain-Plug-Kit-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33727QQihZ005QQitemZ150274853477QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B-M-Automatic-Transmission-Drain-Plug-Kit-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33727QQihZ005QQitemZ150274853477QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW)
 
A drain plug for your 727 tranny pan...makes future servicing SO MUCH simpler and cleaner.
 
I have installed these in every one of my trannies since I discovered this item some years back.  I usually install it on the pass side front corner of the pan...about a inch or so in from the side rails.


These do make changing the fluid much easier, but it also makes it easy to not change the filter.  It's a matter of preference, but I would not use one.  I think the lack of a plug on most car's trans pans, regardless of make, is to prevent the possibility of not changing the filter.
 


Not a good idea.
 
My opinion.
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 01:45:22 PM
BigBlockMopar, I'm hip to checking the fluid in Neutral and not park, but thanks for the tip.

A friend at work suggested adding the drain plug. Your posts convince me it's a smart thing to do. Snotty makes a good point that it is a shortcut that could be abused.  Thanks for the 'word to the wise'!

I will begin by making sure that the linkage is properly adjusted (per the FSM). A fluid/filter change will be done regardless.

I will share my success/failure with you all.

Thanks for the priceless aid!


Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 01:47:03 PM
Sheeesh Snotty
Just don't be lazy That's all. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
You have to admit it is one heck of allot easier and cleaner to have the plug. 
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 28, 2008, 01:52:43 PM
The gasket that I am talking about is NOT for the convertor.
The said gasket is a Mopar dealer piece.It is used on the tranny pan of newer style overdrive trannies in the Ram trucks equipped with the A518 (which is an OD727 unit.) It fits older 727 units.
Worth the few extra bux and seals up much better than the cheapo cork or black gasket that comes in a filter kit,IMO.
I do not have the Mopar part # but I can get it tomorrow.
CBarge2008-07-28 18:53:45
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 02:06:07 PM
Quote from: CBarge
The gasket that I am talking about is NOT for the convertor.
The said gasket is a Mopar dealer piece.It is used on the tranny pan of newer style overdrive trannies in the Ram trucks equipped with the A518 (which is an OD727 unit.) It fits older 727 units.
Worth the few extra bux and seals up much better than the cheapo cork or black gasket that comes in a filter kit,IMO.
I do not have the Mopar part # but I can get it tomorrow.
 
Those suckers are great! 
 
The 518 will go to a 727 and the 500 will go to a 904 and they are reuseable.  Don't need allot of torque either
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 02:12:52 PM
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There are no failures.  These are Mopars. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 02:20:30 PM
Love it.......love it.

BTW, The trans shift lever (column shift) has a really sloppy feel to it. does anyone sell a bushing kit for the linkage? (could this be a clue as to the source of the problem?)


Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 02:41:30 PM
It could if it's not fully engaged.  But typically they would fall into the proper detent on the trans once you start moving around.
 
Set the parking brakes and chock the wheels.  Or have someone hold the brakes, or both
 
put the car in neutral and start the car.
 
reach down to the lever and pull it into gear.  check the pointer and see where it's pointing.
Then push down.  Check again.
 
Try to be as gentle as you can or you'll jump through several positions.
 
This will check the dash pointer and see if it is in proper position.  It could be the loosness you feel is in the column wear.
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Snotty on July 28, 2008, 03:00:20 PM
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No one answered your last question.  No special tools are required.  I use a crescent wrench on teh larger nut and the correct size boxed-end wrench on the smaller one. 
 
It's not tough to do.  You loosen the lock nut (the larger one) and then tighten down the smaller nut.  Once it seats, you BACK IT OFF as per the instructoions for your transmission.  Do not argue with the book!  (You said you have a service manual - use it.)  There are specific instructions for both the Kickdown band and the low/reverse band.  Then re-tighten the lock nut and you're finished.
 
If you don't back those off your trans will not operate.  I learned this the hard way.  Luckilly no damage occured, but the car did not go anywhere either!
 
HAve fun!
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 03:11:23 PM
POLARACO, I'll check. there's a feeling of slop and no really sharp sense of the detents. That's why I was curious about re-bushing the linkage

Snotty, I gotta tell you, you are definitely encouraging. Hey, before last week, I had never worked on a rear-end or differential. Now I have a leak-free rear and pinion! Maybe I can work a little magic on the trans after all. First I want to see if the linkage in misadjusted and could be causing the problem.

You guys ROCK!


Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Snotty on July 29, 2008, 10:09:23 AM
Quote from: Uncle Hulka
Snotty, I gotta tell you, you are definitely encouraging.
 


That's what I live for!!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
 
A few yerars ago I had a Cordoba with a bad AC.  I was going to take it to a shop to have the repairs done.  By buddy "Big John" Hutchings said, "Fix it yourself.  It's like anything else; you remove the bad parts and install the good.  Then get it filled with freon.  You can do it!"  I had never touched an AC in my life!  I was frightened to do so.  Since John said that to me I have rebuilt the AC units on that Cordoba and on my Newport.
 
There was a time I would not touch transmissions either.  Now I perform regular service on all of my cars, and did so on Fogel's Hurst and my good friend's Cirrus.
 
Next thing you know you'll be doing the same to your Buddy's cars!
 
You can do it!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on July 29, 2008, 02:58:54 PM
Confidence is building as we speak. I will study the FSM on the linkage adjustment procedure (I think that's the problem since I already solved one problem due to improper linkage).

Can I get a trans filter at NAPA? Will they have the GOOD pan gasket referenced earlier in this thread or do I have to go to a dealership? What is the best kind of trans fluid to get?

If I need anything else let me know please.

This car is gonna be so freakin' sweet when I'm done! I won't have any gas money, but it'll look great in the garage!



Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Matt Aker on July 29, 2008, 03:44:54 PM
The tranny kits at NAPA will have the cork/rubber gasket, but they work just fine.  Those are the same as what you will find in any other aftermarket partz house but the NAPA kit includes an A904 gasket too, but you'll know what one to use.  These kits are about 8 bucks.  Regular ol' mercon III tranny fluid will fill er' back up.  Get a case if you plan on draining the torque convertor, as you will need it.
 
Aside from the predictable giant mess, changing a tranny filter is easy just as Snotty said.  Wear an old shirt!  When the pan is back on put six quarts of new fluid down the tube and use the dipstick to guage the level.  Remember what Herman said about checking while HOT and in neutral.
 
It's like falling into bed.....  (You shoulda' seen me the first time I had to set mechanical lifters/tappets by myself...  that's another story)
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on August 01, 2008, 03:48:06 PM
OK, Gang. Here's a question for all you TorqueFlite Brainiacs. I'm trying to diagnose a symptom and I am wondering if it could be transmission related. Here it is:

The symptom in question involves engine stumbling and sometimes stalling when the car is approaching a stop. When the engine is cold (relatively) this symptom is almost non-existent. As the vehicle warms up, the symptom gets worse to the point that when I come to a stop, the engine will more than likely stall. It starts right back up, but this is a really troubling problem. IMPORTANT NOTE: If I put it in neutral, it doesn't ever stall)

At first I thought it might be electrical, but it doesn't really act electrical. The entire ignition system has been replaced (New Distributor, coil, plugs, wires, ballast resistor, voltage regulator, for example). I know that new components can and do often fail out of the box (like my first 'orange box' ECU), but I don't think it's electrical in nature.

I then started to think it may be carburator-related. The carb is lightly used (I bought it from a very good friend of mine) and is an Edelbrock Performer 1407. I suppose a little dirt in the carb might cause this symptom, but I would think it would do it all the time and not get progressively worse as the engine gets warmer. To keep you all well informed, when I relocated the fuel filter from in front of the carb (on the hot intake manifold) to just off the pump, I noticed a rather significant amount of black 'stuff' I got from the filter (which I immediately replaced). I suppose some of this could have made its way into the carb.

That leads to my next possibility; could it be transmission-related? could something internal be sticking? That may sound like a rookie question, but I'm kind of basing this on the fact that the trans fluid level has to be checked with the trans in neutral and, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is because of the fluid-relationship between the trans and the torque converter.

I want to say that the more I drive this car, the more I love it. It rides so nicely and has great power. If I didn't have the trans shifting issues (that inspired this thread) and this stalling issue, I would be in LUST with this car!!!!!

Hope this wasn't a crazy question and I look forward to reading your wisdom.

Thanks in advance!


Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 01, 2008, 05:01:59 PM
The symptom in question involves engine stumbling and sometimes stalling when the car is approaching a stop. When the engine is cold (relatively) this symptom is almost non-existent. As the vehicle warms up, the symptom gets worse to the point that when I come to a stop, the engine will more than likely stall. It starts right back up, but this is a really troubling problem. IMPORTANT NOTE: If I put it in neutral, it doesn't ever stall)
At first I thought it might be electrical, but it doesn't really act electrical. The entire ignition system has been replaced (New Distributor, coil, plugs, wires, ballast resistor, voltage regulator, for example). I know that new components can and do often fail out of the box (like my first 'orange box' ECU), but I don't think it's electrical in nature.
I then started to think it may be carburator-related. The carb is lightly used (I bought it from a very good friend of mine) and is an Edelbrock Performer 1407. I suppose a little dirt in the carb might cause this symptom, but I would think it would do it all the time and not get progressively worse as the engine gets warmer. To keep you all well informed, when I relocated the fuel filter from in front of the carb (on the hot intake manifold) to just off the pump, I noticed a rather significant amount of black 'stuff' I got from the filter (which I immediately replaced). I suppose some of this could have made its way into the carb.
USE A VACUUM GUAGE WHEN SETTING UP CARB.SHOULD GET 18-22 INCHES OF VACUUM.
IN GEAR AT IDLE SHE CAN STALL AT 15 INCHES.
That leads to my next possibility; could it be transmission-related?
NOPE!
 could something internal be sticking? That may sound like a rookie question, but I'm kind of basing this on the fact that the trans fluid level has to be checked with the trans in neutral and, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is because of the fluid-relationship between the trans and the torque converter.
Hope this wasn't a crazy question and I look forward to reading your wisdom.
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Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Snotty on August 01, 2008, 10:25:06 PM
Idle speed with an auto trans in neutral should be anywhere from 650-900 RPM depending on the year and motor of your car.  I will see the previous posts and see if you give that info. 
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Snotty on August 01, 2008, 10:28:04 PM
Your original post said you are talking about your Sport Fury.  Using your signature of a '68 440 HP, your idle speed should be 650 RPM.  (1975 Chilton's Tune-Up Guide refrencing a '68 440 HP.)
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on August 02, 2008, 03:15:11 AM
I didn't explain 'stalling' properly. It doesn't just stall; it stumbles severely (rpm fluctuations) and then stalls. Putting it in neutral smooths the engine without really raising the rpm's that much.

Hi CBARGE! -
1) I will check the curb idle at operating temp.
2) I started the timing @ 5 BTDC and would advance until ping under acceleration and back off a bit. I'll check and see where I am.
3) I went through the carb set-up w/vacuum gage and if I remember correctly, was getting vac @ high teens/low 20's BUT that might've been with a DIFFERENT CARB (could this be the 'a-ha' moment?)!

Hi Snotty! - Thanks for your data. Will confirm it's adjusted to factory specs.

Thank guys so much. I will do what I can and report back as always!!!


Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 02, 2008, 01:11:49 PM
Quote from: Uncle Hulka
I didn't explain 'stalling' properly. It doesn't just stall; it stumbles severely (rpm fluctuations) and then stalls. Putting it in neutral smooths the engine without really raising the rpm's that much.
Sounds like a carb issue or vacuum leak.
 
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on August 02, 2008, 01:35:01 PM
My granddaughter's 1st birthday party kept me from working on the car today BUT I was looking through the carb manual and I see that I have my vacuum advance connected to the wrong nipple. there are 2 different 3/16" vacuum ports; a "timed vacuum" port for emissions-controlled engines and a "manifold vacuum" port for non-emissions controlled engines. I have mine connected to the "timed vacuum" port. Now I will correct this as soon as I can (tomorrow AM), but could this be causing my problem?

Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Matt Aker on August 02, 2008, 01:47:26 PM
YUP....
 



Don't feel too bad, I've done that as well...
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on August 02, 2008, 01:53:47 PM

Man, did you just make my day (and possibly tomorrow)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.....and the award for Dumb-Ass Mistake of the Year goes to......
Uncle Hulka!!!

Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 02, 2008, 03:46:18 PM
CBarge2008-08-02 20:48:52
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on August 03, 2008, 10:37:36 AM

My day has not been made :-( Switched vac ports;Stumble remains, but I'll get back to that in a bit.

Using the FSM, I went through the throttle linkage adjustment procedure. I moved the 'throttle' lever on the transmission to its full forward position and wired it in place.

I inserted a 3/16 alignment tool through the bellcrank as shown in the FSM. NOTE: In order to insert this tool, I had to disconnect the rod connecting the trans to the throttle linkage.

The FSM says that the length of this rod must be adjusted so that the 'socket' on the end is lined up and able to engage the 'ball' on the throttle linkage ("....with slight down pressure" says the FSM). ONE SMALL PROBLEM. I run out of threaded rod before proper alignment is possible!!! WTF!!!

I adjusted it the best I could and completed the rest of the procedure without incident. A test drive reveals that I am on the right track with the shifting issue. The shifts are happening quicker. The trans will now kick-down at about 50%-60% throttle.

So what the hell is going on with that rod I can't adjust? I am stumped on that one. There is no way that the ball is in the wrong location as there are no adjustments for it (and is bracket is beefy as hell). The rod sure looks original and factory-made. The 'throttle' lever on the trans is in the proper location for the alignment procedure, so it's not like I can buy any more length there!

Has anyone else ever encountered this problem? If so, what am I doing wrong?

But back to the stumbling issue.



I might have something here. I made sure the timing was at 5° and I set the idle to 650 RPM. The motor ran rough at that speed, but stayed running. When I got behind the wheel to take it out, I put my foot on the brake to put it in gear and the car stalled.

hmmnnnn.

I restarted the car, put my foot on the brake and the engine starts running really rough and stalls again.

i'm onto something

Restart and I lightly press the brake pedal with no change. As I press harder all of a sudden the engine starts running rough. Foot off the pedal and it smooths out.

A-Ha!

I watch the ammeter at I hit the pedal, the ammeter drops 50% to discharge! Foot off the pedal and it returns to its normal position and the engine smooths out.

OK. More tests. With the engine running I started to turn things on one at a time:
Headlights on > ammeter drops a bit and returns to normal (no engine change).

Heater fan on high > ammeter drops a bit and returns to normal (no engine change).

Hazard lights on > ammeter drops a bit and returns to a little less than normal (no engine change).

Stock AM Radio on > ammeter stays at previous level (no engine change).

Moment of truth. Hit the brakes and engine stumbles and stalls.

Now since I have manual brakes, it's not a vacuum leak. All that's left that could effect the engine is the brake light circuit. My rather unscientific (but nonetheless revealing) tests have indicated the presence of either a significant short in the brake light circuit or the movement of the brake pedal itself is shorting a wire. The resulting low voltage is obviously causing problems for the ECM (you see, I do read other threads).

No time to investigate further today, but should be able to get to it this week.

Boy this has been a serious PITA (Pain In The A$$).

Thoughts? Opinions? I can't wait to hear what you all think

Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 03, 2008, 06:53:44 PM
When you installed your electronic ignition,where did you get your feed for the box?? Is it hot all the time?
Just brain storming,eh?
 UUrrp
 
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on August 04, 2008, 02:12:03 AM
Hi CBarge,

The box is located on the front side of the radiator support. Reading here, I learned of how heat-sensitive it is and figured this is the absolute coolest place to mount.


Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on August 10, 2008, 05:38:55 AM
Yesterday, I drained all the transmission fluid including the torque converter. The good news is that the fluid looked and smelled just fine. I did find a sludge-like substance in the bottom of the pan. I will guess this is clutch material. I adjusted both bands (they were both significantly out of adjustment), mounted the pan and then set my sights on the throttle linkage issues mentioned earlier in this thread.

A more thorough investigation revealed that the vertical linkage rod had been bent at some point, effectively shortening its length. This explains why I was unable to correctly adjust this part of the linkage. With the bend removed I was then able to follow the factory adjustment procedure perfectly. 9 quarts of ATF later I'm ready to test her out.

HUGE IMPROVEMENT! The car shifts properly and at the appropriate speeds. Kick down happens at the right points as well. What a difference!

With the transmission issues settled, I have to move on to an electrical issue. I'm going to start a new thread in the Electrical section where it belongs, but before I go, I want to thank everyone for their help. Because of the knowledge and encouragement I have found here, I am doing things I never would have had the courage to attempt before.

Here's to you all (glass raised)! My deep appreciation goes out to you!

Now, whoever is willing to help me through this, I'll see you in the Electrical Section. I think I'll title the thread "Low Voltage Issues".

See you there!

Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on August 10, 2008, 10:13:20 AM
I haven't been following this too much. . . I've only been skimming most of the threads.
 
The sludge is normal.  If there was tiny flecks of brass in it, very small amounts is normal as well.  It's the aluminum you need to watch out for in the pan.
 
Never really thought about the kick down linkage. . .good advice on their part.  I was assuming this degraded over time.
 
Glad you got the big bucks in shape for a few sheckles.  Just curious if you used the pan gasket we suggested.
Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on August 16, 2008, 03:21:38 PM
Hi POLARACO,

I went to NAPA and bought a trans filter and gasket and a case of fluid. I opened the box for the filter/gasket and laid the gasket out on the counter. To my untrained eye, it didn't look right to me. I asked the counter man to check and confirm this was the right part. He looked at the computer and declared that it was the correct part for a TorqueFlite. I took him at his word and went home. Once home I went on the net and found an image of a TF gasket..........COMPLETELY WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was furious. If I had just taken the part home and then realized it was wrong, I would've assumed half the responsibility for the error. But the fact that I asked him to double-check the part and he STILL missed it........well, that just put a little more frosting on my cupcake (don't ask me what that means; I'm ranting!)

Next morning, less than 12 hours later, I'm making the 25-mile trip again. A different counter man was there and was really helpful. Evidently, the other guy transposed some numbers and I ended up with some GM part. The correct filter/gasket combo was presented and after getting the difference in price, I got the heck out of there.

I had asked the first guy if they had cork gaskets available and he said no. I never asked the 2nd guy about the gasket.

No leaks so far.

Lucky?


Title: LOOOONG TF Shifting issue.!
Post by: Steve on August 16, 2008, 03:38:28 PM
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