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Title: plugs
Post by: Johnny D. on July 21, 2008, 06:53:34 PM
Yea my plugs are shot(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)... pics a comming

beyond what napa is gonna tell me is oem...

what plugs are you guys running?

anyone suggest a bit hotter of a plug...

btw. i burn some oil... if thats important...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif)


Title: plugs
Post by: Brian on July 21, 2008, 09:25:42 PM
I believe I have Autolight 86's in the 440...they are a bit hotter than stockers and have seemed to work well so far witht he pertronix and a bigger gap as well.
 
 
 
Title: plugs
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 22, 2008, 02:49:07 AM
 I would recommend NGK"s
Title: plugs
Post by: Herman on July 22, 2008, 03:46:26 AM
Accel #134.
Got a set in all of my motors and I can't even remember when I put these in.
They keep working for years without any troubles.




Title: plugs
Post by: Steve on July 22, 2008, 04:55:44 AM
Boys Boys Boys
 
#1 choice, unfortunately is Champion.  They OE'd the Chrysler plug and maybe still do.  There is a distinct difference between them an autolite.  Don't even think of AC.  The mopar engines run the best on the champs.  Even if they do stink otherwise
 
I've run NGK's before. . .  But what do they know about 70's cars.  That's a Jap company started in the mid-80's.  Have a set in the Magnum which seem to be doing OK.  Platnums
 
I learned all this the hard way.
Title: plugs
Post by: Johnny D. on July 22, 2008, 06:34:36 AM


i have a set of ngks that i picked up from hobby.... they're too small...

my guy cant get accels or the autolites... i've heard they're good plugs though...

looks like im stuck getting the champ copper shockers...

wait till you see these old plugs, there like corroded and black....

MobStaffCar722008-07-22 11:38:05
Title: plugs
Post by: Matt Aker on July 22, 2008, 07:04:27 AM
CAN'T GET AUTOLITES??? (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)  unbelieveable...
 
I'm with Steve on plug choice.  Champs are OK but I always ran Autolites or Accels in BB Chryslers.  Truthfully, the only engines I've ever had that ran the best with Champs were Briggs and Stratton (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: plugs
Post by: Snotty on July 22, 2008, 10:23:38 AM
I've always asked for the originals - RJN12s - or whatever appears as recommended on the factory sticker or manual.  (Or RYN, whichever is correct.  One is shorter than the other.)  Steve is correct - Champions.  Switching to a higher number - 13 or 14 - makes for a hotter plug.  A lower number is a colder plug.  If you are buring some oil use a hoter plug.  If you are pinging a lot and your timing is correct, use a cooler plug.
Title: plugs
Post by: Jimmy on July 22, 2008, 12:52:27 PM
   Never put an AC plug in a Mopar, they only seem to work in brand-x models and chain saws. I have never had a good experience with autolites due to the fact I have never, and never will, own a Phord. NGK's are jap plugs for jap motors although Leaburn seems to be having good luck with them, then again his motor is fresh too. Harleys eat Accels for lunch. I have always sworn by the champs in Mopes and Harley-Ferguson's, never let me down yet.
Title: plugs
Post by: Johnny D. on July 23, 2008, 11:08:19 AM
i bought the champs...  

Title: plugs
Post by: Snotty on July 23, 2008, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: MobStaffCar72
i bought the champs...  
 
If you have some bacon and eggs you can have a "Breakfast of Champs!"
 
HA HA HA HA!
 
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Title: plugs
Post by: Johnny D. on July 25, 2008, 09:24:30 AM
apparently someone was running delcos in my car... im switching to champs as stated...

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/MobStaffCar72NwYkr/plugs.jpg) its a bit blurry even in the best lit of rooms...

i gotta get a digital camera....

plug is rusted.... and the top is corroded/crumbling



Title: plugs
Post by: Matt Aker on July 25, 2008, 11:05:12 AM
AC's in a 440 (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)  What number were they, just curious.  From that plug I'd guess a lean air/fuel mixture and maybe too cool a plug/overheating condition.
Title: plugs
Post by: Johnny D. on July 26, 2008, 05:12:22 AM
any special notes on putting in plugs... its pretty much just screw it in till its in.... .035 gap

Title: plugs
Post by: Matt Aker on July 26, 2008, 07:03:02 AM
DON'T OVERTIGHTEN THEM!!!!!!!!  Once you feel the gasket seat against the head bump the plug 1/8 of a turn.  .0035 is the correct gap.
Title: plugs
Post by: Snotty on July 26, 2008, 10:11:51 AM
I agree.  Also, overtightening can break them.  BUT, don't be so worried about overtightening that you leave them too loose.
 
And, if you have HP manifolds, HAVE FUN!!!   (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)
Title: plugs
Post by: Steve on July 26, 2008, 01:52:43 PM
Well I did it.  I went down there.  The picture of the spark plug was the good one.
 
As far as the rest wrong with his car
 
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Title: plugs
Post by: Mike on July 26, 2008, 02:24:34 PM
Well, I took 'er for a spin once ya left Hobby.....what a mistake that was.  I didn't make it but maybe 1/4 a mile and she stalled on me (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)  I called Mobby and let him know that the Holley was comin off ASAP ( (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif) )  so hopefully on Monday we're gonna do a little switcheroo and throw on a nice Edelbrock.  Hopefully that'll smooth things out and fix that vacuum leak between the carb and manifold....

Title: plugs
Post by: Steve on July 26, 2008, 02:29:32 PM
Yer Kidding. . . . .
 
)(*)(*(*&%*&^%*&)_(_+)(*+_)*)(&^(*&^%(*&^%)(*&)+(*+_)*_()*^(*&^(_*_+)
[color=#ff0000 size=4]HOLLEYS[/color]!
 
Not to mention Mobby put a new carb on a three year old + fuel filter
 
Mike do the choke thing again.
Title: plugs
Post by: Johnny D. on July 26, 2008, 06:56:14 PM
its a lot better than it was...

thanks Steve... as always...


Title: plugs
Post by: Steve on July 27, 2008, 04:06:53 AM
Mobby?  You're lucky
 
Mike can push that through warranty , so you're getting away with murder.
 
You said that fuel filter was the same one in it when you got the car.  Mike changed it yesterday after I snarled at you to him.  The carb has two problems.
 
1.  The Mobby Factor  (TMF)
2.  The base plate won't seal to the manifold.  Of coarse that's an Edelbrock carb gasket, but it should be close enough.  It had a massive leak in it when I started.  it leaks a little now.  At least the vacuum is up to 18 from 12.
 
Back to TMF.  Hey Meat Mountain. . . . Haven't you ever heard the expression "An ounce of protection is worth a pound of cure"?  Ya know what that means?  a 5 dollar fuel filter would have saved a 700 dollar carb.  Nit  That carb is loaded.  I did the choke flap thing and poof!  she was alive.  We had to do it several times and Mike tells me it's at it again.  Lasts for about 2 minutes and sucks in a new piece of crap.  All because of the fuel filter. 
 
And I suspect you bent the carb bottom by over tightening
Title: plugs
Post by: Steve on July 27, 2008, 04:15:09 AM
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL%2D1411&N=700+4294919007+115&autoview=sku (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL%2D1411&N=700+4294919007+115&autoview=sku)

Edelbrock 1411 Universal
This one is a 750 CFM
 
Get the linkage adaptor!  Fill the tank and bring it here for install.
 
AND STOP INVERTING THAT AIRCLEANER TOP (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif)
Title: plugs
Post by: Johnny D. on July 27, 2008, 02:07:31 PM

when?

and whats this i hear about a burnt valve...


MobStaffCar722008-07-27 19:17:55
Title: plugs
Post by: R. Dave Carr on July 28, 2008, 11:00:00 AM
I've run NGK's in my Newport and my 300.  They work very well for me.   Do you know the definition of a Holley?  It's a metered fuel leak!carrman2008-07-28 16:00:43
Title: plugs
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on July 28, 2008, 12:28:48 PM
Mobby, I used NGK's in my 87 Slant six pickup and they did ok for me. I want to change plugs in the truck but there are several schools of thought on the truck websites on what plugs to use. I have not pulled a plug on Ruby in the 6 years I have owned her so I cant tell ya what she even has for plugs but I always had good luck with champs in all my other Mopars.
 
I swear by champs as a rule so If Mr. H and the Dog are tellin ya champs den Fugeddaboutit!!!!!!
Title: plugs
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 01:49:34 PM
Believe it or not, I have Autolite Platmuns in Polaraco.  Runs real good.  Actually seemed to increase the power and idle better.  I can go 30,000 on those if it behaives itself.
Title: plugs
Post by: Ken on July 28, 2008, 03:29:57 PM

Mobby, here's a tip for ya, to help save yourself some coin:
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL%2D9913&N=700+0&autoview=sku (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL%2D9913&N=700+0&autoview=sku)
That is the reman 1411 Edelbrock, and I have one on Chaz.  Runs good, has electric choke, so you need to get the Chrysler throttle rod adapter, which is under $12
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EDL-1481 (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EDL-1481)

Autolite's are good plugs, too. I've run 'em in a '77 Newport I had over 10 years ago, 360 4V.  Hey, there's gotta be something good from Ford for Mopar owners besides sharing the same bolt pattern on our wheels (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Moesy2008-07-28 20:31:21
Title: plugs
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 03:37:00 PM
Hey Shreck!

You get that thing started? POLARACO2008-07-28 23:04:17
Title: plugs
Post by: Matt Aker on July 28, 2008, 03:51:19 PM
Which is why I didn't give any further instructions.  With hands like bear paws who needs a ratchet?  FINGER TIGHT!  Um-Teebo...  (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: plugs
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 04:13:37 PM
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Title: plugs
Post by: R. Dave Carr on July 28, 2008, 04:34:20 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
Believe it or not, I have Autolite Platmuns in Polaraco.  Runs real good.  Actually seemed to increase the power and idle better.  I can go 30,000 on those if it behaives itself.
 
I think any platinum plug seems to be happy in a car with EFI as opposed to one with a carb.
 
 
 
Title: plugs
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 28, 2008, 04:44:59 PM
I called Mobby and gave him the step by step in fine tuning his carb to the best of his ability and also working on it in the dark.
He brought up the timing a little,adjusted the curb idle.Vacuum reading 19-20 inches.adjusted the mixture screws until the needle on the vacuum guage stopped jumping around.
Throw it in gear,put it  under load .No ping.
Mobby is out driving it now and I am  awaiting his call back.
Electric choke is disconnected for now
Mobby? did you re-connect your vacuum advance????
He called and said yes.
OK.
DFWI!!
CBarge2008-07-28 21:49:09
Title: plugs
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 28, 2008, 05:02:56 PM
(http://www.chetart.com/stockimages/monkeywrench.jpg)Big Mike
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(http://kautiouskennys.com/monkey_wrench-original.gif)Tater
(http://www.monkeywrenchpc.com/images/toplogo.gif)Mobby
Title: plugs
Post by: Leaburn Patey on July 28, 2008, 05:36:57 PM
Mobby,when you don't listen and get Hobby all mad and worked up please fill out one of these:


Title: plugs
Post by: Johnny D. on July 28, 2008, 05:44:43 PM

hahaha... it runs.... it drives... better than it ever has...

thanks alot for the tips en tricks eh lea

Hobby, as always...

the new new carb btw for the rest of you, is a 750 elec. choke eddy...

the new plugs are champ 14s.

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MobStaffCar722008-07-28 22:47:36
Title: plugs
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 05:52:18 PM
14's?
 
RNC12Y was the one I thought we told you
 
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Title: plugs
Post by: Johnny D. on July 28, 2008, 05:54:11 PM

not the right number...

these were suggested by snotty... btw. 14s are hotter for the oil burning...
also its the stock plug listed at nappa... fits right in... unless i strip it(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif)...



MobStaffCar722008-07-28 22:57:05
Title: plugs
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 06:02:35 PM
Let that be a lesson to you.  You would think you learned on the first Holley.
 
You asked me which carb to get.  I told you get an Edelbrock.  So you come home with a Holley.  What part of those letters didn't you understand?  There are only 2 common letters between the two names!  Both vouls.
 
Stop listening to the performance guys that have Holley decals all over their cars.  That is not the carb for you.  You need a Plug and Play setup.
 
Sheeeesh
 
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Title: plugs
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 06:03:45 PM
Here's another one we're going to add to the list. . . .
 
Shreck will pay. . .(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: plugs
Post by: Johnny D. on July 28, 2008, 06:08:17 PM
i was only trying to stay with what it had factory...
they came with a 4160 holley...

im real happy its all working... now... we can move on to all the other stuff... dash switches.... leaking rear seals.... heads...

Everybody, sing it with me  now, "oh i've been workin' on the chrysler, all the live long day..."

Your right again steve...


Title: plugs
Post by: Steve on July 28, 2008, 06:18:28 PM
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Title: plugs
Post by: Johnny D. on July 28, 2008, 06:24:20 PM

i fell outa my chair! too funny....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
MobStaffCar722008-07-28 23:24:40
Title: plugs
Post by: Matt Aker on July 29, 2008, 11:08:05 AM
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I snorted my coffee when I read this earlier...  (OWWWW OWWW OWWW HOOOTTTT) (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)(http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: plugs
Post by: Steve on July 29, 2008, 02:30:35 PM
That'll teach him. . .   I love this.  One of the best creations I have done yet.  You should have heard the conversation between the three of them while they installed 1 stinkin spark plug.  It was halarous.  Mobby had his phone on speaker.
 
I had Leaburn on the other phone at the same time.  He was laughing harder than I was.  The three stooges would fit here too.  Wo Wo Wo Wo  Nar Nar Nar Nar
 

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Title: plugs
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on July 29, 2008, 02:37:42 PM
I gotta move to Joisey!!! I'm missing all the fun!!!
Title: plugs
Post by: Matt Aker on July 29, 2008, 03:53:48 PM
Quote from: ardog
I gotta move to Joisey!!! I'm missing all the fun!!!
 
Yeah!  What Ar said!  I wonder what would have happened if it were a flat tire!  (on the driver's side... (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif))   What are those meeces names again?  "HUUH",  "WHO",  AND "WHAT"...
 
Sorry guys...  (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: plugs
Post by: Steve on July 29, 2008, 06:04:51 PM
Ugh
 
I don't even want to think about that.  It would be an hour explaining how to get a wheel cover off
Title: plugs
Post by: Mike on July 30, 2008, 12:24:41 PM
Worry not Matt a Mob member will be out there soon.

Title: plugs
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on July 30, 2008, 02:20:00 PM
Yo P where ya been???????
Title: plugs
Post by: Mike on July 30, 2008, 02:27:44 PM
I've been Busy my good buddy. Working with Big Mike and hanging out,
working and training at the department, chasing girls, hitting up the
bar. Just really busy over all, and enjoying my favorite season. Whats
cooking with you Ar?