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Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 07, 2008, 07:02:42 PM
Not all repro schtuff is marketed for the four door crowd.
There is some repro schtuff out there for four door Mopars--but not much at all.
In some cases,wagon lovers are completely ignored.
 
I bought some cheap repro "Made in Taiwan" door handles.
Cost of NOS rear door handles are sky high--if you can find them.
Plenty of 2 door handles out there whether they are new at the dealer,NOS or repro.
As we all know Ma used the same door handle for A/B/C and truck/vans for years.This can be an advantage to us barge owners with four doors.
Interchangability is another word for intelligent.
The only real difference is how they operated in relation to the door latch.
I had to convert my two rear door handles in order to work properly on my four door hardtop.
 
This tech thread can be used on 4 dr sedans and wagons..
 
Buying cheap repro's does have some minor drawbacks but I am used to "making it work".They are not perfect right out of the wrapper but much better than 40 year old pitted dull junk.The general public at cruise nights will not know the difference..
 
I will show step by step on how to convert the door handles to work on the rear doors of a C body ..
Unlike the front doors,the rear doors do not use any clips  between the handle and latch.More of a direct approach..
Shown here (removed from the car for better observation)
is how they work together..
CBarge2008-06-08 01:00:13
Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 07, 2008, 07:06:39 PM
This swap requires re-using some parts from your original rear door handles since they are unique to the C body 4 door and wagon doors.
After pulling the handle off the car,remove the screw holding the rod and spring.Disassemble your new door handle as well.

Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 07, 2008, 07:10:46 PM
Put the old door handle button in a bench vise.If you do not have a vise,clamp it in a pair of vise grips real tight.
Note on how the rod is positioned on the button before removing it---very important. Hammer out the old button if it is junk.
( If your button is in excellent shape,just install into your new door handle--done!.)
Careful not to bend the rod!!
You will need the rod that operates the door latch.
CBarge2008-06-08 00:27:08
Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 07, 2008, 07:18:43 PM
You will need to knock out the wimpy little rod from your new door handle button as well.The quality really shows here when comparing the difference in the rods..The repro has a soft thin wire type rod compared to the beefy steel rod.

Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 07, 2008, 07:22:58 PM
The repro door button has a smaller diameter hole and the original rod will not fit.This requires using a drill to ream out the button just enough so your factory rod can fit.It has to fit snug with no slack at all.
Do not use a too big of a drill bit,or your new button will be junk.
CBarge2008-06-08 00:33:04
Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 07, 2008, 07:35:43 PM
Clamp the rod in your vise---tight!! Align the button and tap it on with a rubber mallet.Make sure the splines are in all the way..
Very important that the angle of the rod matches the
way it was removed in order to match the latch.
CBarge2008-06-08 00:36:17
Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 07, 2008, 07:38:09 PM
Slide the long spring on the rod,and button up the door handle using the hardware from the old handle.


Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 07, 2008, 07:39:27 PM
Handle is ready to install on rear door.

Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 07, 2008, 07:45:21 PM
Just a few more things to mention about these Taiwan knock offs.
Gaskets are terrible.Plus the studs and nuts are metric.Put away your 7/16" and get a 10mm to bolt it on the door.
Dont even think swapping the studs in the handle.They will strip and render the shiny handle junk.
No washers..You will have to use your own.

 
Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 07, 2008, 07:47:48 PM
Shown is the factory original gaskets on top and the repro's on bottom..Big difference..

Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 07, 2008, 07:49:56 PM
The repro gaskets do not even match the repro handle!!'
This looks like crap..

Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 07, 2008, 07:52:34 PM
If at all possible,use the original gaskets if they  can be re-used.
If they have wax or paint built up on them,just use laquer thinner to clean them up.
Looks much better here....
CBarge2008-06-08 00:53:37
Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: James Brown Jr, on June 08, 2008, 12:03:45 PM
great Tech Lea. usefull as i'll evenually be doing the same
Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Steve on June 08, 2008, 02:54:06 PM
I didn't have that problem with the repros I got
Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Matt Aker on June 08, 2008, 03:57:10 PM
Quote from: POLARACO
I didn't have that problem with the repros I got
 
Blame it on the rising price of Molson.  Lea had to cut a corner somewhere to maintain his "budget" status.  "BUUUUURP".....
 
Seriously, I only ever had to replace one door handle on a C.  I bought it from the Chrysler dealer as my used ones were just as sloppy and I didn't trust them.  I floored the partz guy when I simply gave him the OE part number to order the handle.  $15 and 24-hours later the LF door of my Polara was as good as new!  (aaand I didn't have to enter the car through the passenger door)  The same door handle fit a '92 Dodge truck!
 
As far as rear doors...  maybe the hard-top has something to do with the rod length.  Perhaps the shape of the window glass?  I'm curious now...
Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 08, 2008, 04:51:01 PM
Matt,the BoaB's handles work beautifully.But they are badly pitted.They will clash with the fresh paint and NOS trim I have collected. Yes,the beer is going down well in this heat!! LOL UUrrp!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Yes,the rod has a bend in it to clear the glass.Also the rear door latch is positioned higher in the door jam when compared to the front door..
This makes  the latch closer to the door handle so rods and clips were not used.
CBarge2008-06-08 21:53:18
Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: firedome on June 14, 2008, 03:51:46 AM
What would it have cost to re-chrome the  originals? Might have been worth it even if more pricey.

Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Stan Paralikis on June 14, 2008, 08:14:43 AM
Quote from: firedome
What would it have cost to re-chrome the  originals? Might have been worth it even if more pricey.
 
Have you been to your local plater, LATELY?
 
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Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 14, 2008, 11:50:23 AM
Why spend $$ on rechroming when you can spend ten minutes on each repro handle doing the swap?
This is one good example of Mopar's engineering and interchagability. 
Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: firedome on June 15, 2008, 02:30:49 AM
Are the repro's made for Mopar? My experience is that the quality is
invariably lower, 'course with BOAB keeping price down is the goal so
maybe that's acceptable. I always go with original Mopar when at all
possible.

Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on June 15, 2008, 11:12:50 AM
The handles are licenced by Chrysler for reproduction.You can get them at your local dealer.
I did locate NOS rear door handles but could not justify the asking price.
I did the swap and nobody seems to really notice the difference unless I pointed it out.The real difference is in he way the handle works for the rear doors.
I had already spent too much on NOS trim.However,reason being that there is no new trim for my make and model,and I am trying to make the car looks its best..
If I can get a  better value (not price) regardless if it is NOS or repro,I will get it. 
It is caveat emptor in the world of NOS.
I bought a gas cap that was supposedly NOS.It was used.
I had seen other NOS schtuff have shelf wear or damage to it.
Some NOS was defective -or a warrranty claim that never got processed and sat in the dealership for a long time,then some vendor buys up the place.it then gets sold to a schmuck like me.
But that's a chance we all take. .

Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: summer scheifer on January 30, 2012, 02:26:16 PM

Quote from: MoparMatt
Quote from: POLARACO
I didn't have that problem with the repros I got
 
Blame it on the rising price of Molson.  Lea had to cut a corner somewhere to maintain his "budget" status.  "BUUUUURP".....
 
Seriously, I only ever had to replace one door handles (http://www.jcwhitney.com/door-handles/c2632j1s17.jcwx) on a C.  I bought it from the Chrysler dealer as my used ones were just as sloppy and I didn't trust them.  I floored the partz guy when I simply gave him the OE part number to order the handle.  $15 and 24-hours later the LF door of my Polara was as good as new!  (aaand I didn't have to enter the car through the passenger door)  The same door handle fit a '92 Dodge truck!
 
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hi there  just want to ask for a help of removing the door handles. and thanks for the tip on where to order one. :)


Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 30, 2012, 05:21:27 PM
Typically removing the inner door panel and gaining access to the two bolts the handle fastens to the door.
Of course you have to unhook and re-hook the rod going to the button.
Not sure which car you are working on,but refer to a shop manual if needed.
CBarge2012-01-30 22:21:47
Title: 4 dr guy in a 2dr world door handle swap
Post by: firedome on January 31, 2012, 09:43:33 AM
You think NOS handles for the Barge are bad... a FL buddy just sold a
door handle for '57-59 Mopar (the pull out type) for $900!!  AND
he tells me he's seen them go for 1500!!!!!  Jeezum!!