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Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Bill on May 14, 2008, 04:38:37 PM
I'm talking light to no corrosion, rust, pitting, etc.   Is there a special paint for the shadow?   Tapes that work better than others?  I would assume that I'd want to buff them first...
 
For the grille inserts is there any problem straightening the edges with needle nose pliars or is that a bit rough?  What's the best match for the silver paint on headlight inserts?   How about the black for the shadows? 
 
How about restoring the gleem on the shiny bits?
 
 
Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Steve on May 14, 2008, 04:52:30 PM
Lets see a pick of the emblem
 
The silver paint you are asking about is called Argent.  You can buy it at Eastwood.com.  They may have some things to resolve your other questions too.
 
So many questions, so many answers. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)  It's a start!
Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Bill on May 14, 2008, 05:10:44 PM
How about we start with your typical '67  D O D G E  hood emblems..

Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Bill on May 14, 2008, 05:16:04 PM
OK let's assume these on the hood and then the grille for srarters...

(http://czervika.smugmug.com/photos/232899461_AinSa-L.jpg)


Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Stitcherbob on May 14, 2008, 10:18:19 PM

Totally Auto has dark argent in a can for those areas that need it

http://www.totallyautoinc.com/ (http://www.totallyautoinc.com/)

click on "parts" and then on "restoration paints"

stitcherbob2008-05-15 03:19:23
Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Bill Mounteer on May 15, 2008, 09:51:26 AM
Bob, for external letters and such, how do you seal the paint from the weather? Use a clear coat or will the color coat age OK as is out of the rattle can?

Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Stitcherbob on May 15, 2008, 08:46:52 PM
We just paint the emblems ....no clear.

After they dry completely you can put paste wax on 'em


Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Bill Mounteer on May 15, 2008, 09:07:01 PM
Thanks!

Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Tom Atkinson on May 16, 2008, 05:12:24 AM
Yes.  Finally something I can help with.   MOPAR Muscle mag had an article on this in the June 2008 issue. 
 
They took the emblem off and polished it.  Very lighlty sanded 400 grit sandpaper. (I'd go with even finner for less chance of scratching.  Most hobby shops have the super fine stuff.)   They cleaned the hard to reach areas with a jeweler's file.  Be careful not to scratch it.  They then used a rattle can and sprayed it with satin black.  Suggested using engine spray paint as they found it to be more durable.
 
When the paint drys completely use very fine (1,500 - 2,000) grit to sand off the paint on top surface of the emblem.  Sand just until you can begin to see the chrome, don't sand the paint completely off.
 
Now use very fine steel woll to finish removing the paint.  It should give the chrome a "Lustrous" shine.
 
The emblem can now be re-installed on the car and will look much better.
 
Of course they make it look very easy to do.(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
 
 
Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Stitcherbob on May 16, 2008, 07:09:37 AM
But that's Mopar Muscle.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)

I am not letting any sandpaper near my  new or old chrome! We put lacquer thinner on a cotton rag or folded up paper towel and wipe the paint off of the surface. The engine paint is a good idea, but you have to heat the emblem up with a heat gun to cure it....otherwise it stays soft. Plasticote Ceramic Engine paint is my favorite, but some of these new auto body supply company paints are real professional enamel packed into spray cans. ALSA corp has a basecoat black that's really good used alone too.
http://www.alsacorp.com/index.htm (http://www.alsacorp.com/index.htm)



Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Bill Mounteer on May 16, 2008, 09:35:49 AM
When I get down to needing super fine sand paper I use a powder called Rottenstone. I mix with either water or light oil depending upon what is being polished. This stuff is so fine you can even polish scratches and haze from plastic and glass lenses. It takes a lot of elbow grease so it's difficult to overdo it like sandpaper can quickly do if you're not careful. But it does a wonderful job on stainless, chrome badges and even painted surfaces.


rottenstone  by definition is a weathered and decomposed siliceous limestone; in powdered form it is used in polishing.

I buy mine at Lee Valley (http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=20058&cat=1,190,43040) for $7.50 a pound and I use it for fine polishing virtually any surface..



Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Bill on May 18, 2008, 07:33:44 PM
I like the steel wool idea but that doesn't do anything for the bottom lip of the letters that need to be chrome.
 
  Chrome here
    __________
                        \\
                          \\
Paint here ->       \\     
                             \\        Chrome here
   ______________\\_______
                  |  |
                  |  |
                  |  |
                --------
                 \\      /
Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Stitcherbob on May 18, 2008, 07:58:58 PM
Dishwashing soap is a good masking solution....just spread it on the chrome where you don't want paint and wipe off afterwards with a damp cloth.

Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Ken on May 20, 2008, 06:49:15 PM
I was told a tip on how to paint emblems from a guy on the Moparts board;

He said any prepping you do to emblems is MORE than what the factory did, and, for painting stuff, especially if they are off the car, get some small syringes and use model paint, such as Testors, and fill in the area on the emblem with the paint.

Apparently, this is similar to something he witnessed at a factory.


Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 21, 2008, 03:23:17 PM
I did 1:24 scale models long before I started on the 1:1 scale versions
I do not use sandpaper nor in some cases do I use any masking tape (depends on the size of the piece)
What I am going to explain is the simplest way I found from my trials and errors...
Remove the DODGE letters from the hood.
First give them a nice cleaning and polishing.
Mothers chrome polish,toohbrush and a soft buffing cloth.
Use clothespins and clamp them on the studs.That way you can move the clothes pin around to ensure an even coat of paint and good coverage
Get some toothpicks from the kitchen. I prefer the flat ones that look like "!" NOT  the round ones. More on that later. 
Get your cheap rattle can black spray paint.Flat black is the best for this type of work.I will explain why later..
Wear gloves so you wont have to scrub you fingers raw removing overspray.
Lightly spray the letter covering it completely.
Wipe the top of the letter right away!!
Let paint set--but not too long!!
Timing is very important in this next step.
When the flat black sets,it gets dull.
As soon as this happens,use the toothpick to remove the black on the bottom of the letter.
Too soon and it smears.Too late and it is too hard.
The wooden toothpick is soft enough not to scratch and yet does a clean detailed job removing the black...
Plus toothpicks you can "customize" to fit into the tightest spots.The flat edges can follow the area you want to be shown giving sharp crisp lines.
If there is a thin film of paint on the top of the letter,just buff it with a soft cloth.
The best part of all this is if you mess it up,you just have to clean and redo it.No big deal.
I am not making this up--I did this for years!!
I redid all the black on the stainless on my New Yorker.
Check out the grille detail on the Jo-Han 69 RR kit I built and that is smaller than your hood letters.
Hope this helps.
CBarge2008-05-21 20:35:02
Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Matt Aker on May 21, 2008, 03:38:54 PM
I redid the side and rear "NewYorker" emblems from my '66 back in the day.  I sprayed the whole piece (removed from the car...) with semi-gloss black spray paint.  The high edges were a shiny gold again after a quick wipe across a double-folded paper towel moistened with mineral spirits.
 
Lea.  Put yer shoes back on...  PWEWWWY (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)
Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 21, 2008, 03:58:32 PM
Matt,I got someclothes pins full of fresh paint fer your nose!!! LOL!!
Anyways..For the grille.
How this...
can turn into this...
Grilles require more work.
Do one color at  time and use good quality paint tape that will not pull off paint. .
One trick is to pull off the tape as soon as you are done painting.Leaving the tape on overnight will guarantee it will peel off the paint.
I prefer letting the paint dry 24 hours before I tape it up for the other color.
The Mopar Argent silver wheel paint can be used as the silver in the grille.Any semi-gloss rattle can is good for the black parts.
Any overspray on the chrome can be wiped off when wet or use mineral spirits with a cloth if the paint is dry..
I spray from the back of the grille as well for better coverage and appearance.
CBarge2008-05-21 21:06:12
Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Bill on May 25, 2008, 06:01:57 AM
Thanks for the ideas Lea.
Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Andy on April 26, 2009, 01:36:18 PM
HOLY BEJESUS!!!

Just looked at Emblemagic's web site to see how much it would cost to restore the two sail panel 300 emblems for my 64. $225.00 each! OUCH! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)Looks like I'll be riding around with some "faded" emblems!
Title: How to restore emblems grille inserts etc?
Post by: Andy on April 26, 2009, 02:00:25 PM
I just painted the panel that holds the pushbuttons for the trans and the heater A/C panel. Both have a chrome trim ring and chrome lettering. I sprayed the panels, waited about 2 minutes then dipped a cotton swab in some laquer thinner, squeezed out most of the thinner, and rubbed it over the trim and lettering. Paint came right off and the trim and lettering look fine.