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Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Rob Roche on April 20, 2008, 09:01:29 PM
Gang
 
Re-doing the top end on my '64 300. It started out as a simple intake swap....kinda snowballed from there. Cam had some wear, timing chain was all loosey-goosey. Water pumper wasn't, that sort of thing. Anyway, I have a fairly stock "RV" cam and lifter set that was intended for my old '70 383 W200 Crewcab. The lifters have the little oil squirty hole in the cup...the old lifters from the 300 do not have the little squirty holes. Also the '64 has solid pushrods (makes sense, no squirty hole in the lifters).
 
So, my question is. Can I safely use the newer style lifters and hollow pushrods (I also have an almost new set of stock rockers and shafts for that '70 383)?
 
Or should I just yank the whole kit'n kaboodle and install the great running 413 out of the '64 New Porker parts car I have (which just grenaded the trans yesterday when I moved it (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)...or tried to!)
 
 
Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Rob Roche on April 20, 2008, 09:04:55 PM
This is what greeted me when I pulled the intake off....the milky stuff is degreaser that leaked down past the valley pan.
 
(http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1789/7783792/18240547/310078978.jpg)
Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Rob Roche on April 20, 2008, 09:08:10 PM
New water pumper thingy and housing. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
 
(http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1789/7783792/18240547/309616233.jpg)
Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Matt Aker on April 21, 2008, 04:28:58 AM
Me thinks a 300K-clone would be a rather novel direction to take.  Since it sounds like yer 383 needs a total goinz-over...
Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Steve on April 21, 2008, 05:53:28 AM
Boy theres a question. .  . 
 
I would suspect the lifters you have need that hole to relieve the ooil pressure in the lifter.  Putting in a solid push rod, my be a problem then.  Actually, it sounds like you got the wrong lifters in the first place.  Sounds like you got small vlock lifters.
 
I would get the right ones
Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Herman on April 21, 2008, 06:27:46 AM
The engine pictured needs TLC.
Take the 413 and enjoy the extra cubes. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)




Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Rob Roche on April 21, 2008, 06:32:03 AM
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)  I was afraid of that. I do have some left over small block parts lurking around....thought I had kept them separate.


Time to spend some Summit bucks or give 440 source a call.

Thanks guys! 




Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Rob Roche on April 21, 2008, 06:47:07 AM

Quote from: BigBlockMopar
The engine pictured needs TLC.
Take the 413 and enjoy the extra cubes. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)




I'll pull the valve covers and check it out inside before I pull it....just in case is a mess inside as well. Good thing some of the goodies I bought for the 383 will also fit the 413.

Yeah, I went to move the New Yorker yesterday. It fired right up with a little shot of ether (it had been sitting for a month) put it in neutral, pulled the trans dip stick, all was well. Put it in reverse.....errrrrrrrrwhiiiiine.....what's that smell (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)

No forward either (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif)

Well this (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley30.gif) is dead. Stood by with my 30lbs Co2 until it stopped smoking. I guess I'll have to push it up on the concrete pad in front of the garage with the tractor now and start parting it.





Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Matt Aker on April 21, 2008, 02:59:13 PM
Don't get me wrong Rob...  Yer 383 just needs the werks to be efficient and reliable.  Putting a healthy 413 in your 300 would just be AWESOME! 
 
I always wanted to put my spare '68 440 in my same-year Polara, but the original 383 never missed a beat!  If it ain't broke... 
Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Leaburn Patey on April 21, 2008, 03:22:23 PM
That's how  things balloned on the NY'er's 440..
First I was just going to redo the heads..I pulled the intake and found the cam shot.
Be carefull of the snowball effect.
Yoink it out,jam the 413 in it to run and play.
Rebuild the 383 and have it ready when you want to go back to factory correct points show poodle..lol
Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Rob Roche on April 21, 2008, 03:30:07 PM
Quote from: CBarge
 
Well the 383 may "look" like a factory correct show poodle.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley15.gif)
 
I'll just have to figure out how to hide the headers......maybe artfully draping heater hoses and A/C hoses across the valve covers will do the trick! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
 
 
Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Matt Aker on April 21, 2008, 03:54:50 PM
There's a fella in Altoona selling an Super Commando 383 from a '69 Fury!  Lemme' know Rob!  I'll keep in touch with him.
 
http://altoona.craigslist.org/pts/624134740.html (http://altoona.craigslist.org/pts/624134740.html)
Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Rob Roche on April 21, 2008, 04:07:33 PM
I've got 3 383's already! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) two are complete (but inop or stuck) and the bare '65 block sitting on the garage floor is for the stroker kit and aluminum heads (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley15.gif). I originaly planned on making the 300 a street/track car. Big torsion bars, sway bars, 17x9's wrapped in something sticky. Then go terrorize Willow Springs or Button willow raceways.
 
Or carve canyons (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley15.gif)
 
When ever funding becomes available......
Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Butch Houghton on April 22, 2008, 07:45:47 AM
My memory is telling me that there's 2 different Pushrod / lifter arrangements for the big blocks....early style & later style.      Most all of the Lifters sold now are that later style so that may be why there's a difference in what you're seeing?

Only reference I can find is at the bottom of this page referring to early ( pre 67 ) & late pushrods....

http://www.440source.com/pushrods.htm

Just a thought...

Butch




Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Rob Roche on April 22, 2008, 08:17:01 AM
Butch

You're right....according to 440 Source there are early and late lifters and pushrods. Apparently changing to the newer style is the thing to do. I can still use my lifters, I just need the newer style pushrods.

I think at this point though I'm going to start yanking the 383 out and prep the engine bay for the 413.

An engine with that much gunk makes me wonder just how worn it is inside.





Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Steve on April 22, 2008, 10:48:37 AM
I forgot about that.  But didn't that change go earlier than 67?  I thought it was in 62 when they did away with the 7 Bolt Flange.
Title: '64 383 lifter'er thingy's
Post by: Johnny D. on April 25, 2008, 08:50:46 PM
just to inject thought, the more i see this 66 the more i like it something about the dark color, and maybe the wheel tire combo, i dunno...

im with lea on this, drop in that 413 and drive'r!