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Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 19, 2007, 03:56:41 PM
Foamy suggested I start a project thread so I guess this is going to be it.

Ok so project Bring Black Barge Back To Life officially begins this Friday 12-21-2007.  Since I sort of have her running already, I'll try to get as much as I can during the next few days as far as pictures and what is going on and where we're at.


 
So for those that don't know this actually ended up being a gift after some family turmoil.  That being said I'll probably end up paying for it with my soul to my in-laws.  But what are ya gunna do?  The car is a 1967 Dodge Monaco, 440 4bbl, 727, Suregrip, factory discs and A/C.  It has sat for roughly 10 years.  It was owned by my wife's grandfather.  He purchased it from a sheriff from somewhere in Montana (as far as I know) in 1968.  It was moved down here to Colorado in late 80's.  
 
He died about a year before my wife and I were married, but knew him well since I've known her since she was 12, lets just say it's 22 years later.  See, didn't type her age.  The car was parked 2 years before he died and no one else in the family saw any value in the car.  Until we wanted it in August 2005.  Then it was going to Barret Jackson the next week and worth at least 5 or 6 gold bars. So we gave up on it.  In October my father in-law called and asked if we still wanted the car.  We asked what is it going to cost us, the answer was "Do you want the car?".  So $124 later for the flatbed bill and here we are.  Since I'm still waiting on a title search the rest of the family doesn't know that she actually starts and runs and that's the way it will be until the thing is signed and in the safe.
 
The first time I fired it up my wife came running out of the house as she couldn't believe it.   So I primed the carb again and let her kick it over, she smiled from ear to ear and just sat in it for about 15 minutes with that smile.  I thought she was going to pass out this Saturday 12-15-07 when it fired up without being primed and ran on it's own.
 
It's not that it's a collectible car or that she has any thoughts of selling it.  It's all the memories of growing up with it.  It apears that this car saved her life when she was 5 after having her tonsils out the second day home she coughed and started to hemorage.  Grandma called the local authorities and told them she was heading for the hopital, threw my wife in the car and ran wide open til they got there.  I think she veiws this as repaying the favor. 
 
The only she has for asked so far is once the car is fully operational that we go down to Ft. Logan to drop off flowers to her grandparents in their car.  Other than that I've been given free reign.   She says her grandfather would have done everything I've suggested had he had the money.  So it begins.
 
Some pictures to get this going;
 
You can see all the pictures here (this is a repository for pictures of my vehicles);
 
http://czervika.smugmug.com/gallery/3864935#232899461 (http://czervika.smugmug.com/gallery/3864935#232899461)
 
 
 
Bill (http://czervika.smugmug.com/photos/232980598-S.jpg)
 
czervika2010-11-12 11:02:56
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: James Brown Jr, on December 19, 2007, 03:59:44 PM
well bill thats a wondeful story. i appreciate cars with background. let us know what problems you have with it and we can help you get this thing moving.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on December 19, 2007, 05:17:50 PM
Now there is a good reason to restore a C.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Brian on December 19, 2007, 09:16:02 PM
Great story...and nice car BTW!!!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif)
 
We'll watch and help as we can.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on December 19, 2007, 10:47:01 PM
Bill,that is a GREAT story and a sweet lookin ride!!!
We're here for ya,anything we can do!!
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: John B. on December 20, 2007, 05:51:32 PM
Hey Bill; Nice ol Dodge!! My Dad had a 66 & 67 monaco, they were great cars, though as I recall being CDN. models they didn't have that nice dual cluster dash! go figure!! all Canuck models got the  Plymouth dash, which I never thought was as nice. The chrome looks in great shape, even the steering wheel has hardly any cracks or separation!!  it looks like she was well looked after, good luck on the resto,  John (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 21, 2007, 09:46:26 AM
Well fellas Black Barge has brakes.   Took about 2 hours and a quart of fluid bleeding by myself.  Don't believe everything you hear about those power bleeders.  But then again I couldn't do it the old fashioned way by myself.
 
Transmission goes into Drive and reverse.  And seems to accelerate the wheels with throttle.  The engine also loads up when placed into either gear.
 
So those are two good things.   +2 for the day so far.
 
Carb seems to be getting worse and I don't doubt it.  Got the correct kit in hand and will be tearing it down this afternoon.  I hope I remember how to tune a carb, it's been a long time. 
 
One negative thing today.  Still +1 for the day over all so I'm happy.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: R. Dave Carr on December 21, 2007, 01:04:04 PM
Your story about the your wife and the Monaco reminded me of a similar experience.  I was 5 yrs old when my tonsils were removed.  The scab from them had broken off and I began to bleed, and the blood formed a clot and began to block my throat and I couldn't breathe.  My grandmother loaded me up in her woodgrain '67 Monaco wagon and ran me as fast as she could to the ER.  She got me there before I passed out.....  Absolutely freaky how similar our stories are!
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 21, 2007, 03:27:54 PM
Yeah huh.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 22, 2007, 09:15:35 AM
Arrgh!  Anyone need a carb rebuild kit for 67 Monaco with big block and carter AFB?   It apears that this thing has a carb from a '69 (4640SA).   I just peed away 30 bucks...  Trip back to Napa...  Ah gives me a chance to romp on the magnum a bit.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: James Brown Jr, on December 22, 2007, 10:40:03 AM
damn. well don't feel too bad . i did the EXACT same thing with my Fury. still haven't got it rebuilt either. good luck.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 22, 2007, 06:14:56 PM
Success!  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)  The carb is back on and idling very well.   I still have to correct a choke problem but I think I can deal with it as is since this isn't a driver yet.  Tomorrow she comes down off the dollies and see if we'll move a few feet in reverse and then forward.   
 
More tomorrow.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: James Brown Jr, on December 22, 2007, 06:18:10 PM
whoo hoo. isn't sucsess great?? do you plan on making it a regular driver or the every now and again type??
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 22, 2007, 06:35:14 PM
Yes it is.  The plan is an every once in a while driver.   I commute 38 miles one way everyday so that puts a damper on driving it too often.  It'll probably end up being a weekend warrior and maybe an occasional driver to work.  But all that depends on what bugs I find and what they take to fix.   I'd like to get all this old gas burnt out of it and see what good stuff will do.  As it stands after the carb rebuild, idle has smoothed out considerably and throttle response seems to be much improved. 
 
czervika2007-12-22 23:36:04
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: James Brown Jr, on December 22, 2007, 06:38:40 PM
i know what you mean. i REFUSED to put my Fury in storage. my answer was "how am i supposed to drive it if it's in storage. i don't drive all the time but at least i  can look at it everyday.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 23, 2007, 04:42:36 PM
After many set backs today I am happy to announce another round of success.  
 
  I had to do the martial thing today so starting on the Monaco was delayed more than I hoped.  Then a no start condition...  Well thats odd since she was running well after the carb rebuild yesterday.  Checked numerous things including the carb.  Maybe it'
s getting flooded maybe the bowls are still running dry.  Nope.  Huh no spark at the plugs.  Lets see if we have spark at the coil... Nope, the coil waire falls off in my hand.  Ah crap.  Head off to autozone since they're closest.  No plug wires soonest they can have them is 01-02-08.  CRAP.  Ok time to head off to Napa, joy I get to romp around in the magnum again.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif) 
 
So I get to napa.  Nope they don't have 'em, don't even make 'em anymore.  CRAP!  Well we're not sunk yet.  The sweatheart behind the counter pulls out the vintage book, crosses to Accel, and then crosses back to Napa.  Oh look different part number and they have em.  Sweet I'm back in business today.
 
So I get home swap out the wires and away we go.  Take her down off the dollies.  I let it run for about 5 minutes to let the heat build a little bit as we all know these cars are cold blooded.  Put it in reverse, the engine loaded a bit I knew we had a working reverse.   Take off the emergency brake, ease up on the brake and we have movement.  She went about 6 inches before I stabbed the brakes just to be sure it will stop.  Brakes work 100%, great.    Back to drive, yup she goes forward.   time to test is she can pull herself up the driveway.  Let it go about 2 feet on to the driveway and back to drive, again no problems.    Pulled her all the way out and let it run.  Went in and grabbed the wife.  I told her I'd guide her in and the smile was priceless.  The car only went 40 feet but to my wife it was an amazing little ride.
 
I hope to get some pictures of it outside this week and post them along with the carb tear down.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 27, 2007, 03:10:13 PM
Ok well how about some pics..  I've dedicated a gallery at my photo site just for the Monaco.  I don't plan on posting every shot I take of it here so you can visit http://czervika.smugmug.com/gallery/4060466#P-1-15 (http://czervika.smugmug.com/gallery/4060466#P-1-15)  for more shots.
 
First shot, I was trying to see the fire damage to the gasket but it didn't come out.  Lousy angle.
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/photos/236471789-S.jpg)
 
Not really that bad once it was apart.
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/photos/236471682-S.jpg)
 
Rear..
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/photos/236475929-S.jpg)
Frontend.
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/photos/236475987-S.jpg)
 
Drivers side.
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/photos/236476001-S.jpg)
 
Passenger side.
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/photos/236475962-S.jpg)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on December 27, 2007, 04:07:11 PM
THAT is a FREAKIN SWEEEET RIDE!!!!!
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 27, 2007, 04:46:13 PM
Thank you sir.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: R. Dave Carr on December 27, 2007, 04:46:34 PM
That car has "baaaaaaaaaaad" written all over it!
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 27, 2007, 06:04:27 PM
For a sherriff's car it is missing dog dish hubcaps, and a red magnetic light on top!! LOL!!! Spot lamps will be a nice touch,too!!
She's a sinister black beauty!! 
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on December 27, 2007, 06:20:28 PM
Why do I get stuck with all the Junk!
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on December 28, 2007, 04:33:06 AM
 
Quote from: POLARACO
<FONT size=7>Why do I get stuck with all the Junk!
Yeah but its nice when you get done with it Steve!!!
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 28, 2007, 06:28:33 AM
Yeah I may start with a decent car but I doubt it'll be as nice as yours when I'm done.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: R. Dave Carr on January 18, 2008, 10:26:44 AM
What's the latest on that baaaaaad ride of yours?
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on January 18, 2008, 01:31:23 PM
not much in the past few weeks.  Been tied up with work.  We'll get back at it shortly.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Matt Aker on January 18, 2008, 02:16:37 PM
I LOVE that car Bill!  It makes me miss my '68 Polara in the worst way (http://moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif)
 
I couldn't help but notice how nice the chrome is on the bumpers.  I know how the elemental water normally washed the chrome off on the inside corners both front and back.  You're a lucky man to own it, and after reading the associated story you DESERVE it! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on January 28, 2008, 06:14:06 PM
Welp I did it... I got the back seat out without bending anything...  BUT, I now have a very nice scrape on the drivers rear interior panel...  What do I get for my effort and new scrape zip zero nada.  As a guy I know in Boston would say, FahK. 
 
Taking out the rear seat not to find a build sheet probably a few hundred dollars.
 
Finding what remains of the original build sheet under the front seat, Priceless.
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/photos/248590113-L.jpg)
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/photos/248590336-L.jpg)
 
czervika2008-01-28 23:15:05
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 29, 2008, 07:09:33 AM

Ummmmm, not to exasperate things, but I find most 66-68 cars build sheets are in the rear seat BACKREST......

your job isn't over yet (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)


Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on January 29, 2008, 07:59:15 AM
Yeah thanks for that.  I can see the backrest and there definately isn't any sheet there.  This one was right in the middle of the bench.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 29, 2008, 01:30:59 PM
Good job! Too bad the other half is missing.
Regardless,it verifies that the car is the real deal.
83= 440 375 HP
401= 3.23 gears
408=Sure  Grip
422 Deluxe push button AM radio with antenae
76= 8.45x15 white wall tires
451 power brakes
456 power steering
411 single air condioning unit (must have power steering)
Light group (511,514,516,517)
521 = tinted glass
Fleet Items;
492 Max cooling package (26" high capacity rad,fan shroud,7 blade clutch fan,hood to yoke seal,larger trans cooler)
591 = 46 amp alternator (yes this was an OPTION!!)
CBarge2008-01-29 18:37:35
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 29, 2008, 01:35:54 PM
If you can take a 2nd look,code 691 will verify if the car was an ordered car.
Try to see if there is a number typed in the 58-blank for "hub-caps or wheel covers"
CBarge2008-01-29 18:39:57
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on January 29, 2008, 02:04:16 PM
Lea,
 
  The number is 58 but the 4 is in the next field.  The red hub caps I've posted here are the spares.  The originals are silver and say disc brake all over them.
 
I'll get a pic of the requested field in a bit, I like shooting macro shots.
 
Bill
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on January 29, 2008, 02:06:39 PM
Lea,  BTW where's the 691 going to be?
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 29, 2008, 03:50:56 PM
The 691 will be in the same row as the wheel covers but more to the right.It is there but the seat springs cut into it. If the "1" is typed,it was an ordered car.
If you had the rest of the sheet further right would show if the car came with the "cop" suspension code 648 in the FLEET ITEMS section
584 is the  disc brake wheel covers and I was unaware you had spares.,If it was my car,I would put the original hubcaps back on--the car is such an oddball.
CBarge2008-01-29 21:03:39
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 29, 2008, 03:56:20 PM
H5X = High trim (Monaco) 5= bench X= black
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on January 29, 2008, 04:21:45 PM
Shot of the wheel cover entry.  Any idea where a second might be located?  The back seat was pulled once as there was a cb radio installed at one time.  Still have the cable under the seat and carpet, the whip is in the trunk.
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/photos/248912622-L.jpg)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 29, 2008, 04:36:10 PM
I will post a '67 B sheet and mark where the wheel covers and ordered car codes are.
Cb whiop and cable,eh?? Hhhmm magnet mounted or trunk lip mounted??
If you are not going to use it,I may take it off your hands.I am installing a vintage CB in the BoaB.
PM the details to me,thanks.
BRB ..
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 29, 2008, 04:49:54 PM
Here ya go.You will see what is missing from your sheet.
581 on my sheet is standard deluxe wheel covers.The next box that is blank is where your 584 should be.Right next to that is the 3 speed wipers.
Hope this helps.

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on January 29, 2008, 06:40:30 PM
Ah.  597 has a 9,  58 has a 1, and the ordered car location is worn through.  I can see it says "sold car" but the area where the type would be is gone.  589 is worn through but look blank.

(http://czervika.smugmug.com/photos/248960123-L-0.jpg)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on January 29, 2008, 06:58:00 PM
Interesting little bit of info... My wife just handed me an envelope filled with registration cards her grandfather kept for this car that date from '94 all the way back to '69. 
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 30, 2008, 01:34:18 PM
Very good!!
Car has an intersting story and good provenance to boot!!
Uumm did you think about that CB whip??
 
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on January 30, 2008, 05:36:49 PM
Yeah yeah I'll sell it to ya, but I gotta get into the trunk since I dont remember for sure which it is.  I "think" it's lip mounted but not 100%.  I'd pull her out to open the trunk  but we're having a bit of snow at the moment.  I'll have more info for you this weekend.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 30, 2008, 05:42:20 PM
No rush...It's been 2 and a half years and may be antother 2 before I get to drive the BoaB..
We had gusts of wind up to 117 KM'H mixed with freezing rain and snow.. 
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on February 10, 2008, 12:47:57 PM
SUCFREAKINCESS!
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/photos/252972659_aVSWf-L.jpg)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on February 10, 2008, 12:52:45 PM
Oh an I found telephone cord this time.  Runs up from the carpet, to somewhere behind the back seat.    Thought it was just a gray wire until I got the seat back off of and right behind the seat it was spliced to a bunch of black wires with spade connectors on the end.  Only reason I know it was telephone wire was at the splice.  Has me going what the blankety blank was this used for?
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on February 10, 2008, 01:18:19 PM
This confirms that the Sherriff did use the car and had some type of two way radio in it.
Besides the CB.
The second sheet is in much better shape than the 1st.
Ist shows where the car was indeed an ordered car and the disc brakes are factory.
549 notes bright garnish trim --Somebody help out here--is this the wide trim that is supposedly be on the side of the car?
544 denotes sill mouldings (rocker panel?)
Not sure what 551 denotes in the foam seats
CBarge2008-02-10 18:19:26
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on February 10, 2008, 01:52:13 PM
Yeah the story is almost complete.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: James Brown Jr, on February 11, 2008, 09:07:07 AM
nice find on the Build sheet . those are always fun to decode
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on May 19, 2008, 06:14:30 PM
Got another piece of the puzzle last night.   The Father in law was over, swore him to secrecy and took him for a drive in his fathers car... Kind of an odd moment.   Anyway it turns out that the carb as we know isn't original.  What I didn't know was the carb was purchased sometime in '71-'72 in an effort to get her moving a bit faster past 140mph on the open highways in MT.   Turns out the carb was spec'd off a '69 Charger 500 440.   I'm told that's the information he took to the dealership to track this thing down. 
 
Just another piece. 
 
 Oh man it's starting to wake up too.  Lastnight no hesitation, no feathering the throttle.  Almost like it knew my father in law was in the car.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on May 19, 2008, 06:27:53 PM
Spoooky! But cool!
Cars can be like dogs...They know...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Stitcherbob on May 19, 2008, 08:48:42 PM
What's the carb # ? I have a coupla AFB's that spec out to 440 auto trans Charger and 383 manual trans 68 Cuda and wondered if the Charger carb was the same as your 440 one....

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on May 20, 2008, 02:45:59 AM
Bob,
 
  The number I have is 4640SA.
 
 
Lea,
 
  Yeah it was a bit spooky
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Tom Atkinson on May 20, 2008, 06:31:15 AM
Very cool story.  Car looks great.  Like you said it has more sentimental value and meaning than just any car.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on May 24, 2008, 09:08:00 PM
HA! Success!  The car is officially my wifes.  No more worrying what the inlaws are going to try to pull next.  It is finally after all this time titled in my wifes name.   She asked me to go on it but I declined, it's her car from her grandparents and will always be.   Now, that doesn't mean I don't have creative license or anything.  I mean after all I am doing the work and paying for the parts.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on May 25, 2008, 05:57:29 AM
After all this, and all you've put into it, I would have told them to go pound salt.  Frankly I commend you for what you are doing with that car.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on May 25, 2008, 06:08:31 AM
Well there was an issue that started to raise it's head again last month.  So I drew up the mechanics lein and storage fee paper work.  I figured if anyone wanted to complain and attempt to interfere with my wife rightfully owning the car they were at the very least going to pay for the work that was done and the storage for the past six months.  But thankfully it didn't come down to that and now I can tell them to pound salt and never darken my doorway with your presence.
 
czervika2008-05-25 11:11:28
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Stitcherbob on May 26, 2008, 06:09:22 PM

Yup, 4640 SA is my carb too. It spec'ed out to a 1969  Dodge Chrysler and Plymouth 440 with auto trans and A/C
stitcherbob2008-05-26 23:12:00
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on May 26, 2008, 06:44:16 PM
Yeah now if I could just get the off idle hesitation to quit I'd be happy.   My guess is the accelerator pump isn't working right.  I may tear it back down later next month but I haven't  made up my mind.  Haven't messed with it much either.  But since my issues with investing allot of time and trouble have been resolved it'll be time to start investigating the problems.    And to find a decent electric fuel pump.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill Mounteer on May 26, 2008, 07:07:52 PM
Besides the obvious sentimental reasons, having it in your wife's name means no complaints about the cost of parts. (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)

I just stumbled across this thread and after reading everything and looking at all the pictures, I think it's a great project and one that will bring a lot of happiness to your family. A car with an intimate family history really becomes a member of the family. I know mine certainly has, all my kids arrived home from the hospital in my car and went on many family trips in the car. A lot of great memories!


Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on August 28, 2010, 11:55:09 AM
Back at it.. 
 
SO I dug into the disc brakes today.  I'm happy to say that if I need be, the rotors are very meaty, I don't think I'd have a problem turning them, if need be.  No gouges, no ridges, no nada.  The pads look like he must have just replaced them before putting the car up, just about a half inch on each pad...yay.  All the piston seals look to be good, no splits or cracks and seem to be pliable.
 
Found some brake line to use to bench bleed the master on the car.  Just merely bent the tube into a giant C back into the master, slowly pumped away at it for a few minutes.  The master cylinder, sheesh this is a kids show..  Anyway, didn't see any more air coming back into the fluid after some time so I stopped.  Reconnected the disc line and had the wife pump while I cracked the bleeder.  About three three times each side before the stream was absent any air.  
 
The pedal is now firm right at the top, and it actually power braked in the driveway.  So now I'm at a loss to the brake system.   They calipers seem to work, so now I wonder if it's worth the trouble to aquire the parts or to replace them.   
 
I know the master needs to be replaced as it leaks and I assume the booster does too. 
 
Decisions, decisions.. 
 
 
Also I need some direction on the rear window.  Looks like the typical dodge rust.  Doesn't look like it's bad, yet.  But I need to know how to remove trim.  any how to's?
 
czervika2010-08-28 17:00:24
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: R. Dave Carr on August 29, 2010, 08:43:57 AM
I can't wait for you to get this car fully functional again, because that is one very bad ass ride.  Everything out that car just screams "mean".
 
 
 
Dave
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Stan Paralikis on August 29, 2010, 10:51:39 AM

Quote from: czervika


Ok so project Bring Black Barge Back To Life officially begins this Friday 12-21-2007. 

You are a very patient man, Bill.  (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on August 29, 2010, 11:27:29 AM
Stan,I know where czervika is coming from.
Life throws things at you that puts the project on the back burner.
My car was brought home August 11,2005.
Still not done yet.
 
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Stan Paralikis on August 29, 2010, 12:10:12 PM
I don't anticipate the destination.  I seek the journey.  Have fun!!!!!!
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on August 29, 2010, 12:32:36 PM
Quote from: Commando1
Quote from: czervika




 
You have no idea... It's going to be years more before it's anywhere near done.    What should happen and what will happen with the car given my living arrangements is going to be the point of my hesitation.  With the lease coming up in July and another probable move tearing the thing down isn't liekly in the cards the next year.  But we'll see. 
 
Bill
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on September 05, 2010, 03:56:53 PM
Score!  Both exhaust manifolds are shot due to cracks.  Found replacements at $400 each side.  Needless to say I'm not inclined nor do I have the cash to spens that kind of cash. 



 
So I started looking to headers.  TTI has a great set but the price id on par with the manifolds so those are out.
 
Heard horror stories about Hedman.  Having to beat them silly along with requiring heat to get these things to fit kept me away.
 
Hooker has a set but 67 isn't listed but heard they fit and the prices are fairly high too.  So I was pretty bummed. 
 
Was playing with a new to me craigslist search site I came across and found an interesting listing.  A set of Hooker 5113hkr's for $150.  Brand spankin new.  Took a quick trip this morning and picked em up.  Now to wait until I get the rest of the cars runnign gear figured out so I can get these things installed and off to the exhaust shop...
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 05, 2010, 04:06:58 PM
Dude,I have a set of C body  HP logs available cheap.Under 150.00 for the pair.
Correct casting numbers and no cracks.
Ya shoulda said something.Yet I was not advertising.
Should the headers not fit,I can still let the HP logs go.
 
 
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 05, 2010, 04:21:41 PM
Quote from: czervika
 
Also I need some direction on the rear window.  Looks like the typical dodge rust.  Doesn't look like it's bad, yet.  But I need to know how to remove trim.  any how to's? 
Your factory shop manual shows where the clips are located.
But here's another way....
First observe which piece of trim has to come off first.
With two flat screwdrivers,run one under the trim until you feel a clip.
Pry up just enough to put the other flat screwdriver on the clip and press down on the tip of the clip.
DO NOT PUT ANY PRESSURE ON THE GLASS.
Once you get the first couple clips to release the trim,it will come off easily.
I would re3commend removing the rear window to repair the rust.
Luckily,your window does not use a gasket.It can be re-installed with butyl window sealant.
Hope this helps.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on September 12, 2010, 02:27:43 PM
Got the rear window trim off, no bends, yay.  anyway here's some pics of what i'm looking at.  Doesn't seem too bad overall.  I hate to do it but I think the rear window is going to have to come out.. Da*&. 
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110240/1005097710_HbbRV-M.jpg)
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110241/1005097757_SgrBm-M.jpg)
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110242/1005097790_GEEZY-M.jpg)
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110243/1005097808_ohz9X-M.jpg)
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110244/1005097865_U5jUC-M.jpg)
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110245/1005097908_kpjpP-M.jpg)
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110246/1005097944_eryBX-M.jpg)
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110247/1005097984_KXa6t-M.jpg)
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110250/1005097661_wckvV-M.jpg)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
And finally, how does a man release these?  This is from the damaged side and I'd really like to not bend up any more stainless than I have too.
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110255/1005098084_M2YAJ-M.jpg)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 12, 2010, 02:48:24 PM
This particular clip is bolted from the backside.

(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110255/1005098084_M2YAJ-M.jpg)

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on September 12, 2010, 03:11:35 PM
The rear window will have to come out.
Luckily there is no gasket required--just the typical urethane window goop.
One the window is out,thee clips can be removed.They are simply screwed into the window frame opening.Clean out all the old windoww sealant and poke around for holes.
Once it is all cleaned up,you will find where the water is entering the trunk--if you have any leaks.
Not much left in my window frame after clean up...
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/BargeonaBudget001.jpg)
After welding and shaping the frame..
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/IMG_1954.jpg)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on September 12, 2010, 04:08:17 PM
No leaks that I've encountered yet.  So lets hope that's a good sign.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on November 10, 2010, 05:21:21 PM
Everything seems to be solid still just a bit of surface rust.  In the spots where there's obvious rust i used an awl and a hammer to look for holes.  Thankfully, none found.  So while I have this window out I'm looking around a bit.  This felt, padding, whatever it's called, is there a supplier that has material I can use to replace it?   Also, anyone know what I can make gakets out of for the rear AC vents?
 
The CB antenna cable is out from under the carpet too.  Lea, it's all yours.  See if I can't drop it off to the boss some weekend, or on my next trip up to CT.  Or I'll figure out a way to mail it without getting the damn whip bent. 
 
Also found a rubber tag on the rear seat bottom that has 12/9/1966 on it.  Nothing note worthy just thoguht it was interesting.
 
 
czervika2010-11-10 22:26:48
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 11, 2010, 01:52:15 AM
You're lucky you got that rust in time before it got worse.
The foam padding may be available from a local upholstery shop.Just get your measurements (length/width) and cut out the holes yourself.
No worries about the CB antennea. You can put the whip in a PVC or cardboard tube.
I will give you my NY addy when you are ready,and no rush.
 
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Corey on November 11, 2010, 10:14:36 AM
Bill I know you want to keep it original but have you thought about dynamat for that foam padding just an idea.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on November 11, 2010, 11:13:28 AM
Oh not opposed to it at all.  Resto mod for the most part.  I'm to po' and too busy to do a factory restoration.
 
BTW how's the weather back home?  I hear tales of snow today.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 11, 2010, 03:54:50 PM
I second the Dynamat or even the hardware store equivalent to it.
Who's gonna see it?? it still works as a sound deadener,IMO.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on November 11, 2010, 04:54:48 PM
Got the rear seat area out.  I wonder if it's worth it to remove the vapor barrier from the panels and dig around back there.  The white sealer is still sticky.  I've noticed allot of what I thought was oil around the areas of the seal sealer.  Thought it was very odd until I realized it's tar.  Gunna pull the rest of the interior this weekend. 
 
I was thinking of por'ing the entire inside but there's so little rust, if any it's surface, I have to question the value of doing that.  I'd love to be in the position to say the interior is done, for the most part and just work on the mechanicals and body work. 
 
Where does one find the cording for the edge of the door opening?
 
 
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110268/1087268463_LJHBW-L.jpg)
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110274/1087267888_LNx7f-L.jpg)
 
czervika2010-11-11 21:56:05
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on November 11, 2010, 06:00:44 PM
That oil you see is the oil leaching out of the adhesive for the vapor barrier.
 
I suggest you do check to make sure the drains are open.  You can, if you want, dump some used oil in there so the dog legs won't ever rust.  MAKE SURE YOU PULL THE PLUGS OUT OF THE REAR QUARTERS AND FLUSH ALL THAT SAND AND DIRT Out from behind the rear wheels. (Sorry bout the caps.  Damned laptops)  Once that has dried, you can oil the crap out of that too.
 
POLARACO2010-11-11 23:02:12
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Corey on November 12, 2010, 08:57:23 AM
Well bill it snowed a littl dont know if we got even an inch but its been cold but you know how it is colorado weather dont like it wait five minutes lol
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on November 12, 2010, 09:29:08 AM
Yup that's how it is..  I'm going to find out if WY or MT weather has the same attributes sometime in the next few years.  I just can't take it here for the long term.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Corey on November 12, 2010, 09:40:57 AM
I know they tend to be colder in winter but then again i hate the cold lol
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: R. Dave Carr on November 12, 2010, 09:47:44 AM
Quote from: czervika
Where does one find the cording for the edge of the door opening?
 
 
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110268/1087268463_LJHBW-L.jpg)
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110274/1087267888_LNx7f-L.jpg)
 
 
 
 
 
A good auto upholstery shop should have that cording, they call it "windlace" I believe.
 
 
Dave
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on November 12, 2010, 10:10:49 AM
Thanks Dave!
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: R. Dave Carr on November 12, 2010, 10:17:25 AM
Anything I can do to to help such an awesome ride get back on the road!
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on November 12, 2010, 05:42:01 PM
Passenger corner on the way to being cleaned up...
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110290/1088442247_3wgYH-M.jpg)
 
 
 
It's amazing what a little rag and plain old water will do...
czervika2010-11-12 22:43:04
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on November 15, 2010, 05:32:20 PM
WHoooooHooooo wheels are in!
 
 
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110293/1092612331_Kc5ga-M.jpg)
 
 
 
Just kidding.  They're recent take offs from my Magnum.  I needed a wheel to measure some backspacing and just how large I could go as I had a line on some nice steelies here but I think they'll be a tad wider than I'm comfortable. So I'm going to go with a 15x8 steel wheel.  So if any of you have a pair you'd like to unoad give me a shout. 
 
Thanks,
Bill
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 16, 2010, 01:39:03 AM
Quote from: czervika
Passenger corner on the way to being cleaned up...
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110290/1088442247_3wgYH-M.jpg) 
Quote
Got it just in time.You can see where the dutchman panel and quarter meet the water was running on that line and started to rust.
Make sure you clean out the old seam sealer in that joint and apply fresh seam sealer to ensure moisture stays out.
Good work!!
BTW,was the Sherriff painted once before??
 
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on November 16, 2010, 03:09:07 AM
As far as we are aware, no this is the factory paint.  There is only three layers I've encountered so far, I assume primer, sealer, and top coat.  On two spots on the car there are repairs so they have non factory paint.   But the rest should be mother mopar.  I thought the red would be the sealer and the grey the primer but to me it looks like the primer was applied over the sealer if that was the case.


 
Why do the A/C vents got to the rear A/C vents in the package tray and the dutchman panel?  Seems to be a very inefficient way to cool/heat the rear passengers. 
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on November 17, 2010, 03:06:10 PM
Well the seats are out as well as the carpet.  The floor is in MUCH better condition than I hoped for.  After I took these pictures I vac'd out the inside and don't look like too much to really do.  Some surface rust to clean up and that's about it.  So that leaves me with the situation of not knowing what to really do here.  What I mean is, do I just clean the surface rust, then leave the rest of the floor as is?  Or do I go through with my original plan or POR15'ing the entire floor and trunk area to ease future worries?   What would you do?  
 
Also at a loss if I should replace the carpet or clean the heck out of the original and call it good.   I'm a bit worried about the jute on the bottom of the carpet if I clean up this carpet with water. 
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/inside1/1095022059_VpfTv-M.jpg)
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/inside2/1095022238_kt7eV-M.jpg)
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/inside3/1095022485_q5As4-M.jpg)
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/inside4/1095022734_W9FPK-M.jpg)
 
 
 
I did find a pleasent supprise under the carpet in the passenger foot well.  A third build sheet.  Seems to be the most complete one yet.  What are B and C in the lower right corner?
 
czervika2010-11-18 09:13:37
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: firedome on November 17, 2010, 03:17:58 PM
Boy those floors look good... from the cars I see when I visit daughter
in Denver, CO is a pretty dry state, the old cars there tent to look
pretty rust free.  I'd use POR-15, I put it under and  on the
floors and trunk my 70 Nova and 71 F3 and so far am very pleased with
it,  been on the Nova 2 yrs now.

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on November 17, 2010, 03:31:57 PM
Thanks. I don't want to have to do this again if youknow what I mean.  The idea was/is to do the inside floor, then get under this beast use a needle scaler and remove everytihng I can, prep it then por it. 
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 17, 2010, 05:44:13 PM
FWIW,replace the carpet. You would be glad that you did.After all you have the old one out.
You can buy a cheap carpet set no problem for your C..I did and other have as well.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CARPET-POLARA-MONACO-62-64-65-66-67-68-69-70-71-72-73-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQfitsZYearQ3a1967Q7cModelQ3aMonacoQQhashZitem3f02793aa2QQitemZ270624438946QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CARPET-POLARA-MONACO-62-64-65-66-67-68-69-70-71-72-73-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQfitsZYearQ3a1967Q7cModelQ3aMonacoQQhashZitem3f02793aa2QQitemZ270624438946QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on November 17, 2010, 05:47:54 PM
The vent design was a one year only attempt on better ventilation.68 saw the Auto-Temp nd rear heat systems appear in place of it.

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Stan Paralikis on November 18, 2010, 02:52:35 AM
Fast tops are soooooooo much sexier w/o the crappy vinyl roof.
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110293/1092612331_Kc5ga-M.jpg)

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: firedome on November 18, 2010, 06:03:44 AM
Always liked that roofline... there's a decent looking 68 Plym F3 with
that top been sitting in a yard for years on the way to Watkins Glen,
always tempted to stop in... or afraid to, it might be for sale, ;-)

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Stan Paralikis on November 18, 2010, 06:30:35 AM

I had a 67 Newport fast top. Total stripper (Of course.  It was ordered by my father  (http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/ccinpc/th_yawn.gif) ) in a gorgeous blue.  I've been looking for that car ever since...
Commando12010-11-18 11:39:25
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on November 18, 2010, 02:20:37 PM
I keep forgetting to tell you
 
Eastwood makes a real good rust converter.  You can spray it on and it's water soluable.  You just prime and paint over it too.  I love this stuff.  Spray everything with it.  Look at the frame on the 62.  That's not PAINT!  That's what it looks like on rusty metal.
 
They also make a frame rust converter.  Comes in Aerosol and a little hose with a nozzel.  Good idea with all these sub frames rotting away.  I know the one in Polaraco and the 68 won't ever rust out.  The 62 is getting it as the 65 will.  Works great in the rear box frames too.
 
Both of those products are pricey, but worth the money.  I let that rust converter sit in the weather for months and it was still there when I finished Polaraco.  That was the rust popping out around the rear top molding.  It was on top there all winter.  Goint to take a Hyperdermic needle and shoot some into the spots under the top too.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: 300rag on November 18, 2010, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: czervika
WHoooooHooooo wheels are in!
 
 
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110293/1092612331_Kc5ga-M.jpg)

 
 
 
 
Talk about low profile tires(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on November 19, 2010, 09:45:42 AM
Quote from: 300Rag
Quote from: czervika
WHoooooHooooo wheels are in!
 
 
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110293/1092612331_Kc5ga-M.jpg)

 
 
 
 




 
I never said anything about tires.....
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on November 19, 2010, 10:56:13 AM
Interesting;
 
http://www.jani-immonen.net/decoders/tag6768.html (http://www.jani-immonen.net/decoders/tag6768.html)
 
 
 
OTHER:
MOLDINGS:
X1: Tinted Glass (all)

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on November 19, 2010, 11:49:22 AM
Those were the days when you had more to choose from besides a color and model.  Everything was ala-carte'  unlike todays cookie cutting with different sprinkles
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 27, 2010, 02:55:18 AM
Well hell.  THis weekend wasn't good to me. I knew it was bound to happen, my luck had to run out somewhere.  Went out and got the screw extractor this weekend so I could finish taking off the lower moldings with out fudging them up and all was a success, (in the best monte python type crowd voice) yay.    That was until I noticed the flaky lookin paint behind the rear wheels.   Broke out the hammer and awl, went right through like butter.
 
czervika2010-12-30 11:24:34
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Ken on December 27, 2010, 03:13:44 PM


Quote from: czervika
Quote from: 300Rag
Quote from: czervika
WHoooooHooooo wheels are in!
 
 
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110293/1092612331_Kc5ga-M.jpg)

 
 
 
 






 

I have to say, I think those wheels work nicely! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
Moesy2010-12-27 20:14:13
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 27, 2010, 04:02:01 PM
Quote from: czervika
Well hell.  THis weekend wasn't good to me. I knew it was bound to happen....I was able to open up a 2 by 8 inch hole behind the drivers wheel before I ran into solid metal again.  I'll probably be going out to make a template before I do too much more damage.  On a good note it's a smaller hole than I've seen on some other cars but I know it's going to end up bigger than that to get it all.   Should have just left it alone......
 It is best to find and fix now than later when  the entire quarter rots out.
Fix it now,and prep the rest of the metal to stop the rust.
Very typical of our cars with moldings where moisture gets trapped and eats away the metal.
This following rule of thumb applies when it comes to rust---add 50 percent to what you can see that needs repairing,LOL!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on December 27, 2010, 05:14:01 PM
Eastwood makes a great rust converter too.  Expensive, but real good stuff.  Worth getting a quart and treating the quarters after you flush them out.  Dirt and sand gets trapped in there and stays wet, rotting the metal.  It won't hurt to flush them out with allot of water from a hose and let them dry.
 
POLARACO2010-12-27 22:14:37
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 28, 2010, 04:13:30 AM
I see I can get repop quarters, 250 per side shipped to me.  I don't think I wanna go that route though.  My only hesitation is the fact that I don't have much in the way of metal forming tools other than a hammer, not even a dolly anymore.  I guess a trip to HF to pick up a dolly set might be in order.
 
 
Gunna be a fun experiment, my forst time doing quater panel repairs.  Though I have front halfed a couple cars before...  So hopefully this wont be too hard.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: firedome on December 28, 2010, 04:25:14 AM

Who makes those quarters? There is a lot of real crap out there,
especially some guys who sell on eBay, classicparts4U and there's
another one I can't remember, customs2classics  or some such.
firedome2010-12-28 09:25:46
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on December 28, 2010, 07:17:37 AM
THere's allot of junk dealers on eGay
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 28, 2010, 10:30:06 AM
Yeah yeah but this guy's from Canada.  I don't know if it's Peter, Jimmy, or Johnny, but I'm sure they're reall really nice.  
 
Oh I have no idea who the guys are but they are on ebay and they are in fact from Canuck land. 
 
czervika2010-12-28 15:30:44
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 28, 2010, 03:25:50 PM
You have a link to the Canuck selling the panels??
Also I need a pic of how big the hole is in your quarter panel..
 
If the rust does not go past the body line,you can fab a panel with basic tools.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/IMG_1485.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/IMG_1364.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/IMG_1562.jpg)
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/68Cbarge/IMG_1565.jpg)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 30, 2010, 05:57:54 AM
Here's the hole(s)....
 
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/P1110316/1141494096_TPp9f-L.jpg)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 30, 2010, 08:23:09 AM
Not as bad as I thought.
My car was worse.
The good news is---based on your pic--it is below the body line,and behind the trim,so it can be done easily,and does not have to be 100% perfect.(The trim will hide the waves,LOL!!)

The repair you need does not require a repop quarter panel.
Besides the so-called "repops" are not exactly the best fitting.
Making your own patch for the small area may be a bit of work,but more gratifiying when it fits much better that the Taiwan crap.
 
Before you repair the outer skin,first you will need to repair the metal behind it.
That will be your foundation of a good repair.
DO NOT cut out the outer skin UNTIL you repair the inner layer.
Why?
You need a reference point AND a foundation for the outer skin.
KEEP the line that is the edge of the wheel lip down to the bottom of the quarter.
You will need that to make the patch AND RETAIN THE FACTORY SHAPE.
 
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 30, 2010, 08:37:47 AM
Special tools?? Naaaww
Here is some inspiration...
Ray and I bent up the lower quarter using an old tailpipe,a piece of round stock,and a ladder.
CBarge2010-12-30 13:41:16
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 30, 2010, 08:49:32 AM
Yeah it's going to be fun.  As an aside it's going to have to be a good repair because the trim isn't going back on.      Black car, no waves allowed.
 
czervika2010-12-30 13:50:48
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 30, 2010, 10:56:33 AM
The lack of trim may confuse people that the car is a Polara.
Your car is a rare example and I would put the Monaco trim back on it,IMHO.
With the black paint,the trim will set it off.
It is your car,and I respect whatever you want to do.
 
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 30, 2010, 11:25:10 AM
Quote from: CBarge
The lack of trim may confuse people that the car is a Polara.
Your car is a rare example and I would put the Monaco trim back on it,IMHO.
With the black paint,the trim will set it off.
It is your car,and I respect whatever you want to do.






 
Lea,  I respect your opinion I really do and if this had not been though about long and hard it wouldn't be done.   The biggest reason is right now because of age, where I left it for two years, and the trip across country by some hack driver the trim is either beat to hell, missing or just worn really bad. 
 
The trim that was behind the wheels, front and rear, were nearly worn through on the bottoms.  I can only assume that is because of the dirt roads in MT and ND this car was driven on.  The bottom trim on the drivers side was bent up one in an accident and you can see where it was tapped back out.  Both front fender pieces were broken in half, the drivers 'ockey stick has numerous dents as do most the rest.  The only piece I feel I wouldn't have to spend who knows how long taking out dents, then fixing the ones I put in attempting to take the others out, on top of what needs to be replaced, if I can find it, is the drivers door. 
 
Ultimately it's the wife's car I'm just doing the work.  It's been a two month long conversation.  And she's fully aware of the fact that once I take it down this road there is no going back.
 
And to be honest it's not being done to show it's being done for her to drive and enjoy and remember her grandparents.    We'll see there's still time as repairing these spots is going to take some time and she'll have that time to reflect on it.
 
 
 
So like this for instance;  Someone tried to jack up the car after we left with the bumper jack under the front fender.  So the fender is rolled under now and the trim that is on the bottom is cracked and bent.  It evcentually let go and fell into the fender denting it and breaking the trim.  The passenger door had a door opened into it and there's a small crease in the trim too.
 
(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/DSC02287/977625365_kRgxK-M.jpg)
 
Notice the crease in the arc in front of the wheel and the dent on the lower trim.  The door piece my father in law took off for some reason.  The duct taped trim is all bent due to the car cover blowing off in a wind storm.  It never made it to MD, well in one piece anyway.
 
czervika2010-12-30 16:40:38
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 30, 2010, 12:05:15 PM
That sucks.
You can leave the trim off,but always keep the eyes peeled for trim parts,and once you have all the pieces you need, you can always put them on later.
I know first hand how difficult it can be locating good used one year only one model only trim can be.
So,I got my feelers out and if i come across anything for ther Sherriff i will PM you.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 30, 2010, 01:36:53 PM
(http://i.ebayimg.com/20/!BirKvzw!2k~$%28KGrHqQOKkQEsnuUi+Q+BLQOg23ul!~~_12.JPG)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-MOPAR-67-DODGE-MONACO-RH-FRONT-WHEEL-MOULDING-HALF-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5638b7fd5cQQitemZ370318769500QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-MOPAR-67-DODGE-MONACO-RH-FRONT-WHEEL-MOULDING-HALF-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5638b7fd5cQQitemZ370318769500QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on December 30, 2010, 05:19:48 PM
Holy crap that's e'spendy...
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Jason Goldsack on December 31, 2010, 05:04:33 AM
I don't know if the cars are similar but I found this..

 68 Polara Parts (http://moparforums.com/forums/f63/68-dodge-polara-parts-8045/)


Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on December 31, 2010, 10:21:11 AM
Trim parts from a 68 are different.

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 01, 2011, 09:46:03 AM
Found this guy parting a 68.
Texas rust free sheetmetal..
http://www.forcbodiesonly.com/mopar-forum/showthread.php?t=191 (http://www.forcbodiesonly.com/mopar-forum/showthread.php?t=191)
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on January 27, 2012, 05:16:37 AM
Haven't been paying too much attention to the body since I cut out the rust in the rear quarter.   I'm looking at the possibility of another move soon so rather than trying to do some plastic surgery I've been concentrating on mechanicals and the broken rotted exhaust.




I'll keep chipping away for now.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on January 27, 2012, 10:41:08 AM


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Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on January 28, 2012, 03:15:58 AM

I'm workin on it... damned kids....


czervika2012-01-28 16:08:23
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on June 25, 2012, 03:39:30 AM






























(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/i-xs446MH/0/M/IMAG0980-M.jpg)



czervika2012-06-25 13:01:11
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on June 25, 2012, 03:42:29 AM
 
czervika2012-06-25 08:42:57
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: firedome on June 25, 2012, 03:54:05 AM

Body doesn't look bad at all, far better than the typical MD car... in
the 49 yrs we lived there, we saw plent of rust, far less than upstate
NY though!  I always marvel at all the solid old cars when we
visit daughter out in Denver, it's pretty dry out there, why so many
fires and why this one is so good.  Nice work!


firedome2012-06-25 08:55:14
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on June 25, 2012, 07:58:23 AM
Thanks.  It started life in ND so it's seen some snow but for the most part spent its life dry as a popcorn fart in CO.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Brian on June 25, 2012, 07:01:09 PM
Hey Welcome back...Got to look after your family and life first...the cars can wait.  Congrats on getting a little time back in the garage..the patch panel looks great, better then having to pay someone else to do it for you.





Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on July 03, 2012, 03:16:23 AM
So there's a mess of stuff that went wrong the most important is that I learned not to use a flapper wheel when knocking down the welds.  Needless to say I cut the patch out, made a new one, and have now tacked in the new one.

(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/i-XQMkf92/0/L/IMAG1004-L.jpg)

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on July 03, 2012, 03:52:50 AM

Fantastic Bill
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on July 03, 2012, 04:52:24 AM



Not much at this point.  If you're referring to the wheels, I picked up a set with tires for less than I could get a single wheel.  Since I had belts showing on one tire, the rest were so badly dry rotted I was afraid to pull it out of the garage anymore.  I figured I couldn't pass it up.  At least I can go around the block without worrying now.  And I figure I can sell for more than what I paid should that time come, these don't have a scratch on 'em.



Or if you're referring to the patch, I was trying to weld up any pin holes and found that the flapper wheel made the patch WAY to thin.    I was burning through in several places.  Rather than make patches for my patch I just cut the whole damned thing out and started from scratch.
czervika2012-07-03 10:00:03
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: R. Dave Carr on July 04, 2012, 10:46:09 AM
I am humbled by your fabrication skills.

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Brian on July 04, 2012, 12:37:38 PM
Well as they say...practice, practice, practice...makes permanent.  You'll just keep getting better...well done..again!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)


Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on July 04, 2012, 04:39:13 PM


Quote from: thrashingcows
Well as they say...practice, practice, practice...makes permanent.  You'll just keep getting better...well done..again!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)








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czervika2012-07-04 21:39:26
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Guests on July 04, 2012, 05:26:42 PM
Still a good job, and well worth the effort.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on July 09, 2012, 05:26:03 AM



(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/i-HcKjPTh/0/L/IMAG1027-L.jpg)

(http://czervika.smugmug.com/Cars/67-Monaco/i-5tDzGPv/0/L/IMAG1028-L.jpg)

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Guests on July 09, 2012, 06:57:41 AM
Panel epoxy. There is a glue they have for patches so they can be overlapped and then riveted for the repair. I believe it would be the right thing so you don't have to cut out the braze and all that, saw an article on it a while back. I think Eastwood carries it as a matter of fact.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on July 09, 2012, 07:16:07 AM
well that may be an option.  My other concern is rust between the panel and the patch.  Obviously they didn't coat either side.  and with the vibration they've been rubbing so if there was any paint/coating it's probably rubbed off.  And the overlap makes it impossible to get a dollie against the skin to bring the dents out that surround the thing. 
I don't know what I'll do yet.  I'm in the humph stage right now.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Guests on July 09, 2012, 10:16:40 AM
Rust converter then seal it.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on July 10, 2012, 04:41:40 PM


I guess I have to see it
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on July 18, 2012, 04:16:04 AM
Thought about it long enough.  It's coming out.  I can't leave it in there.  It'll bug me forever.  That being said I've also come to the realization that if that patch comes out the roof will also have to be tackled.  
I've set the priority for it and it won't begin til I get the rest of the drivers side done and the rest of the exhaust purchased, and fab'ed up.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on May 08, 2013, 09:18:45 AM
Sheesh, seems like I update about once a year.  















czervika2013-05-08 15:02:25
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on May 08, 2013, 11:17:21 AM

Have you knocked out a freeze plug yet?  That will cause it to run hot.  Need to do both sides.  Sloppy job, but you'll be glad you did.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on May 08, 2013, 11:37:03 AM
Well, we have flow, I know that much.  It doesn't act hot, doesn't smell hot, gives no other indication that it is hot other than the gauge.  In fact it runs really really well once the gauge pegs the ceiling.  It drives nice, doesn't act up, granted that's only been for about a mile or so just to see what the gauges do..  I know for a fact the other gauges in the dash are off too, just can't seem to find all the grounds to double check.

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: dana44 on May 08, 2013, 11:45:25 AM
Well, there are only a few things that will make her overheat but not during idle, which doesn't have to cool much during idle. One is running lean on the carb side, the thermostat itself has frozen shut or not opening properly, plugged core or sludge in the block, water pump actually shot and the vanes have rusted away and not moving the water, air blocked from passing through the radiator, sucking air through a loose fitting, the internal of one of the two main hoses top and bottom has separated and pumping fluid at higher rpm is blocking the flow, or the radiator cap itself not holding pressure, . Flushing the block is usually the hardest part but a good thing to do after several years of no change of the fluid and usually a good start.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on May 08, 2013, 03:59:04 PM

I know it's lean, it was tuned to a mile high (Denver)...  Where am I going to find jets and three step rods these days?



Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on May 08, 2013, 06:43:55 PM

Anyway, it very well could be the sending unit.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on May 11, 2013, 11:51:06 AM
Electrical.  I think voltage regulator.   Or at least I think that's it on the firewall just above the steering column.   Went out to the old mans today and tried something I read about on another dodge forum.  Let it idle with the cap off, let it come to temp and if there's air, it'll burp.  Did that, got a few good bubbles out of it.  

Guess i'm taking a fire extinguisher for the trip home here just in case.   Good thing I put the headlights on relays.


Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on May 11, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
Before you go spending money on parts, check the nutorius bulkhead connector.  It's either the heaviest black or red wires.  You may see some brown on the wires.  If you do, then that is the problem.
 
Chrysler used a buss bar conector up to 65 instead of the spade connectors.  When they went to the spades. that's when troubles like you are experiencing started.
 
The TSP was to run a piece of #10 wire through the bulkhead connector and connect it on both sides.  Make sure you cut off all the damaged wire.  Solderless connectors are OK, just make sure they are tight.
 
http://www.moparfins.com/Repairs/Electrical/Bulk_Head_Connectors.htm (http://www.moparfins.com/Repairs/Electrical/Bulk_Head_Connectors.htm)    See if that helps you
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on May 13, 2013, 03:53:02 AM
 Thanks Steve.  We made the trip with the gauges reading wrong.  All went well.  Took it for a couple mile trip to put some gas in and seemed to do real well, running real strong.  About 9 miles in to the 11 mile trip third gear started to slip.     By the time we got the rest of the way it would free wheel when the gas was hit.   It may be adjustment but......
 Her grand father said he had been having problems with the transmission and he left a rebuilt unit with the car.  Though it's sat as long as the car has so I doubt it's worth dropping in without going through it again.  Obviously I'll be checking the small stuff first but I have plans for a trans rebuild now.
czervika2013-05-13 09:33:05
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on May 13, 2013, 11:02:23 AM

If you want too, I have a 68 trans here that is good.  Come and get it
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on May 13, 2013, 01:15:07 PM
Steve I appreciate the offer but I have a 67 727 sitting in the garage.  Just gunna pull it down and go through it before I put it in.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Brian on May 13, 2013, 06:41:36 PM
Glad you made the trip safely...sorry to hear that the tranny might be gone though.  Since you have the spare tranny that's a good idea to go through it.  Hate to pop it in and then find out it's no better then the one you just took out.

I know all about working in a one car garage...sucks but you make do with what you have.  Nice your father has a big shop you can go to though....wish I had that as an option.

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on May 13, 2013, 09:14:27 PM
Hell I'm in a tent!
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on May 14, 2013, 03:14:40 AM
Quote from: POLARACO
Hell I'm in a tent!
 Guy down the street from the old man doesn't even have a tent.  He's got a 58' 300 he's working on under a tarp.


Oh, and I'm hooked on BB power now.  At half throttle yesterday it pulled like freight train.   Kinda makes me want to dump my Magnum and find something with a BB for a driver.

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: firedome on May 14, 2013, 04:55:20 AM
Glad she made the trip OK! Can't say I blame you for leaving Reisterstown Rd, what a congested mess that place is! I'd never go back (Towson) either.

It's a nice car and worth the effort you're putting in.

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: dana44 on May 14, 2013, 05:27:44 AM
Big blocks are the bomb! The torque is great, the pull is great, and they are extremely durable. You can make a small block do the same thing, but it just doesn't feel the same. If the trans was put together properly with fluid to lubricate everything it should be good, but you are right, a little moisture over years of sitting could cause an issue so a simple seal kit should give you the grand piece of mind in ensuring she is good to go. At least the six seals for the three clutch packs are easy to do, maybe pull the valve body to make sure the shuttles are smooth is a three or four hour job tops, everything should be clean to start with which is always a plus over a full rebuild of a burned out transmission. When you set the line pressure cage, add an extra turn to raise it just a hair more, and install a shift kit which alleviates a couple of the check balls and drills a slot for extra fluid (all inside the valve body), Mopar Performance used to have a $10 or less kit that had almost no parts, which aren't necessary, but it does make the trans last longer and shift better. Might as well not chance the front and rear seals, too, they are a major pain to change if the torque converter or driveline yoke leak.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on May 14, 2013, 06:25:21 AM
Yeah at the very least seals, thinkin' full rebuild though.  I may as well have it in a "known" state rather than what it is now.  Rebuild kits are relatively cheap all that's really left is my time and effort.  And if I'm going to tear into it just for seals, well I may as well just do the whole thing. 
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: dana44 on May 14, 2013, 07:26:40 AM
Sounds like the best thing to do.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on August 26, 2014, 04:16:36 AM
here we go, another year gone and another year not driving it.  Who knew a wife and kid would eat up so much time.   In the past year the rear quarter has been removed from the car to fix a pop rivet job a repair shop did back in the 70's  Once it was off numerous new rust areas were exposed and you know what kind of rabbit hole that leads to.    So over the course of several month there were numerous patches mad, welded ground, planished etc...

 In June, I think,  I started tacking the QP back on.  End of July and I have 8'2" of continuous weld and all the spot welds are done,    I'm trying to get to the point I can lay down a coat of epoxy so I can begin the filler work.   Yup needs filler I'm not good enough to get it metal finished.  Tried but didn't work.  My thickest areas will be about the thickness of the sheet metal itself.  Not happy I need filler but on the flip I'm happy it only has to be that thick.

Trying to shoot epoxy on the drivers side in the next week or so it needs to be sealed while I got back and finish the filler work on the passendger side. 

Found the fuse panel had been melted at some poin in its past and rather than address the problem, someone just soldered the barke circuit to hot side by passing the fuse itself.  Lucky to not have had a fire, ever.   Cut the old block out and used two 6 position ATC fuse blocks in it's place one for constant and one for keyed power.  they'll be replaced somewhere down the road with a single panel and relays.  For now I'm happy knowing it's not going to burndown just sitting there.

There's more electrical work to be done like figure out why the dash signals wigwag when I turn on the flashers with the headlights on.   There's been issues with the dash indicators since we acquired it.  Changing the fuse block solved some, created new ones, i.e. wigwag indicators...  I has a video I'll post below.

There's the transmission rebuild I still have to do but it's on the back burner til I get the rest handled.  I expect to be laying on semi cold concrete next march putting other one in.

Then there's the exhaust to finish.  But right now I can stand the sound so we'll leave it the way it is.  Unless the wife buys the pipe I need to finish it as a christmas present... 

Anyway I still plug along when I have time, mostly my lunch hours, or when the kid is taking his naps on the weekends...





Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on August 26, 2014, 04:57:38 AM
So this was hiding under the trim.  We knew it was hit.  We diodn't know it was repaired like this.  fugggg.  As you can see rust is already starting..

(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/7f69/m8ta5yf92cb9t7yfg.jpg)


More clearing away filler.

(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/825b/k96neno5qvpegmgfg.jpg)

QP is off.  Ugg the fun was just starting.

(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/29ad/hcla2kg328bamzpfg.jpg)

These are out of sequence but this was the start of the fit up in May '14  I think.

(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/16d1/4td9aldrnxatsxvfg.jpg)

First rust spot fixed on the skin.

(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/4920/ek2elo1l3fx918ufg.jpg)


It's as flat as I could get it.

(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/8b08/4ccinx0kcck63gffg.jpg)

Tacks. YAY it's going back on.  I didn't take much of the structure repairs...  One in front of the wheel, one in back, and the entire lower portion of the trunk extension.

(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/c356/mdkihkp41a827xvfg.jpg)

Let the serious grinding and hammering begin.  There's still 2 feet left to weld in this pic.

(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/fd3e/641vagvkrpbaj1cfg.jpg)

Just checking deflection before getting to the rest of it.

(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/f42d/ea2jxd65vsd1rsmfg.jpg)




Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on August 26, 2014, 05:03:33 AM
And I've been thinking of renaming the project from The Sheriff to Time Bandit.

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Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on August 26, 2014, 11:40:53 AM
check your grounds!
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on August 26, 2014, 12:48:47 PM
I've asked around a bit for the locations of the grounds and no one seems to know.  I realize the FSM lists them.  But lets take the one for the dash, it states left cowl.  Hmmmm that's an aweful big area to check for a ground no?  I was told also check behind the kick panels in front.  Not one there as far as I can find.    And to be honest, it'd be easier for me just to go through it and add new grounds to everything at this point. 

However I fugged with it a bit during lunch again and the right indicator lights up when the lights are turned on.  But I noticed today it comes on very faint then roughly 1.5 seconds later it brightens up.  I wonder if the turn signal flasher is bad.  It is factory.  Also a nice bonus for todays effort, when the lights are on the temp gauge pegs and the fuel gauge goes to half way.  Now I've had issues with  the temp gauge as noted before.  Also the right indicator always came on with the key.  Now it only comes on until the lights are on, though brighter than prior to replacing the fuse panel.  Also as you can see the dash lights are actually visible.


*edit*
Oh yeah forgot to add, the flasher only wigwags when the lights are on.
/*edit*

czervika2014-08-26 17:53:34
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: R. Dave Carr on August 26, 2014, 02:56:15 PM
Somewhere a ground for the lights is loose, and is looking for ground where ever it can find it.  I agree with adding new grounds over going on a grand search for them.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: R. Dave Carr on August 26, 2014, 02:57:41 PM
Also, have a look at the stop and turn bulbs.  Sometimes a dual filament bulb can fail and one of the filaments can cross over to the other one and create all kinds of interesting behaviors.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on August 26, 2014, 10:04:38 PM
Quote from: carrman
Also, have a look at the stop and turn bulbs.  Sometimes a dual filament bulb can fail and one of the filaments can cross over to the other one and create all kinds of interesting behaviors.


I forget.  Does that have the indirect lighting like the Plymouth?  Or are the bulbs in the back like usual?
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on August 27, 2014, 03:19:23 AM
Bulbs in the back like usual.

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on January 29, 2015, 05:35:48 AM
Welp the bare metal was covered in a caot of epoxy primer for the rest
of the winter.  Not too bad.  It showed me some issues I still need to
work on but I'm happy where it's going so far.




(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/09ab/61hrktgvoius0bezg.jpg)






Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on January 29, 2015, 05:39:21 AM
The interior panel ready to be welded back in.


(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/ff81/s0wye56jtl2opdzzg.jpg)



The reason...  Cut it out so I could get behind it to plannish the weld.  It allowed me to bring the low spots up really nicely.


(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/0184/tym2m9ihuqa4ubpzg.jpg)


Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Brian on February 08, 2015, 06:59:06 PM
Wow....Nice job!

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Steve on February 08, 2015, 07:44:41 PM
yes
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on February 09, 2015, 04:07:09 AM
thx gentlemen.  It's a long way still to go.  I saw some spots when spraying that made me think I should go buy that 30" durablock long board.  I thought the 24" would be able to pull the job off but I guess not.   Or at least not with my skill level.  Was the juice worth the sqeeze?  Oh I don't know.  I think the knowledge earned was. 

 And I'm, behind on the winters project of getting the trans rebuilt.  To be honest I'm waiting on my bonus to be able to afford the rebuild kit. 


Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Brian on February 09, 2015, 06:26:32 PM
Quote from: czervika

 And I'm, behind on the winters project of getting the trans rebuilt.  To be honest I'm waiting on my bonus to be able to afford the rebuild kit. 


Aren't we all.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif)  I still need to totally re-wire the Desoto....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif)

Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on April 03, 2015, 10:11:00 AM

Welp I had to move it today in order to work on the trucks exhaust.  So
 I took the chance to take a pic of it where it rarely gets to, the road... 
Hopefully it'll be back on the road soon.


(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/e313/23sl3q0fkl8r31vzg.jpg)


Title: The Sheriff
Post by: dana44 on April 03, 2015, 10:21:31 AM
Looking pretty good in flat black. Good job.
Title: The Sheriff
Post by: Bill on April 03, 2015, 10:23:26 AM
Thx.  It's just epoxy primer.  We're working to get it back in a nice hi gloss black.  SOMEDAY.