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Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 14, 2009, 09:43:27 AM



In response to the question: "Why are the 1974 - 1978 Chrysler C-bodies referred to as the "formal cars" ,
I am willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that the expression originated with a description of the cars on one or both of these two Mopar sites  that said:

Quote from: Allpar.com
It was also clear that, when fully loaded, A New Yorker Brougham was a
strong competitor with Lincoln and Cadillac. Sales were better for this
true Imperial, now that the fancy Imperial nametags had been replaced
with "New Yorker Brougham" emblems. Also, with the magnificent
"hardtop" styling (something Lincoln and Cadillac (http://www.allpar.com/cars/chrysler/new-yorker-brougham.html#)[/url]
lacked) and a gorgeous formal roofline, New Yorker brougham was in a
market of its own. It was bringing back the styling of an earlier time,
instead of adopting opera windows and coach lights.

OR:

Quote from: ImperialClub.com
The Coupe roof line was more sedate and formal  than it was
in 1973, and was shared with the 4-Door Hardtop roof line. Thinner windshield
posts were used in keeping with the more streamlined look formal -backlight”[/u] (partially enclosed) rear window style was retained
and the standard padded vinyl top sported a halo effect over the side drip
moldings, which were color-keyed to the roof.

Commando12009-01-14 15:02:37
Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 14, 2009, 09:44:17 AM
And I slipped in the "C" word without it getting censored...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Ken on January 14, 2009, 03:34:33 PM
Twice, even!(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif)

Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Steve on January 14, 2009, 04:42:23 PM
Simpler
 
They appeared at formal gatherings.
 
POLARACO2009-01-14 21:43:21
Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 14, 2009, 05:26:22 PM
They were the last body style designed by Elwood Engle.
He was drawing them on paper right after the Fusies hit the streets.
 
Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Johnny D. on January 14, 2009, 07:04:20 PM
i like the formals. my 74 new yorker looked damn stately...
although i thought the name change and swap that occured always seemed a little assinine. with the imperial becoming the new yorker and the newport looking like the old new yorker...
they're formal because of the upright fronts and the overal oppulence that took over the interiors, its all very snoooty.... i mean some of those velor interiors are like rolling bordellos... thats pretty much the kit and kabudle as i see it...


Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 14, 2009, 08:10:14 PM
Because after 1973, they were FORMALLY good looking Chryslers (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)

74-on they looked like Lincolns.....(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif) (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley21.gif)


Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 15, 2009, 12:37:43 AM

Quote from: stitcherbob
Because after 1973, they were FORMALLY good looking Chryslers ... 74-on they looked like Lincolns.....
Nooo.  It's because I formerly thought that fusies were the best chryslers... (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)

Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 15, 2009, 05:28:17 AM
That's just a FORMALITY......


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Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Tom Atkinson on January 15, 2009, 05:45:51 AM
So the former Chryslers were not as formal and the newer Chryslers were considered more formal than the former.  Of course formal being fancier than former.
 
So if I ran a string of interior headliner trim, say the little ball looking stuff, my 300 could become a formal from a former?
 
This is why I love this site.  So much to learn and a group willing to help and teach.
Thanks.
Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 15, 2009, 05:52:05 AM
Quote from: Chrysler300
So if I ran a string of interior headliner trim, say the little ball looking stuff...

The technical name is Dingleberries...

Quote
  So much to learn and a group willing to help and teach.

(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)


Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 15, 2009, 11:51:33 AM
the site Formerly Known as Fins....

Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 15, 2009, 03:16:53 PM
I am a former owner of two Formals.
I have been reformed and now have two......SLABS
Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Leaburn Patey on January 15, 2009, 03:27:19 PM
[/QUOTE]
There is a reason behind that.
Elwood designed the 61 Lincoln Continental and then Chrysler hired him and his first job was to redesign the 1964 Imperial--which had similar styling cues to the Lincoln.
Imperial was always competing  Lincoln (and Cadillac) and we all know that the sales were not there.
When Imperial was just a badge on a Formal and eventually dropped,Chrysler's focus was still on winning over Lincoln drivers.
So,a little of similarity goes a long way. 
Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 15, 2009, 05:27:45 PM
so that's why.....styled by a FORMER Ford stylist (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif)

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Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 15, 2009, 06:17:27 PM
Quote from: stitcherbob
so that's why.....styled by a FORMER Ford stylist
(http://wiredforbooks.org/images/HennyYoungman2.jpg)

GROAN! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif)

Commando12009-01-15 23:21:25
Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Tom Atkinson on January 16, 2009, 06:00:02 AM
Dingleberrys eh! I take it that would be the formal name.
 
  Again new knowledge.
 
Tom
Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Arlen Vander Hoff on January 16, 2009, 01:55:42 PM
[/QUOTE]
Jeeze Mobby stop flaunting your college education with all the big words!!! (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 16, 2009, 07:33:59 PM
you would think college would teach him when to CAPITALIZE (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif)

Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Johnny D. on January 20, 2009, 05:26:31 PM

From the man who forgot to do it in his own post... Way to go Bobby! 
(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif)MobStaffCar722009-01-20 22:26:50
Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stitcherbob on January 20, 2009, 05:33:44 PM


i did that on porpoise

(http://pages.cms.k12.nc.us/pictures/ScottHilborn/Porpoise.jpg)
stitcherbob2009-01-20 22:36:05
Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: firedome on January 26, 2009, 03:55:30 AM
I maintain that Neoclasic is a more accurate name for what some call
Formals, '74-78. The '79-to 81 R body was even more conservative and
straight lined, a trend that started with the '76 Seville and was
copied by everyone, and better labelled as Formal. The '74-8s were much
more flambouyant and extroverted, with the pontoon-like bulges by the
wheel openings and rear quarters,  considerable body sculpturing,
the padded half tops with opera windows, the inset tail-light opening
pods, filigree interior trim and billowing pillow seats... just like
Mobby said, they were a veritable whorehouse on wheels, especially in
red!..  hardly formal!! 

Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 26, 2009, 04:03:51 AM
The cars I love the most are the "extremes".
The gaudiest or the sleekest.
The biggest or the smallest.
The minimalist or the most outrageous... you get the idea.  No middle of the road for me.
And yes, my latest "C" is a  "veritable whorehouse on wheels, especially in
red (interior)..."




Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: firedome on January 26, 2009, 04:13:56 AM
Don't get me wrong - I love 'em, just debating nomenclature. I'd say
they were the most honest expression of good 'ol American excess ever,
and about the nicest car to ride in ever made...not  lot of power,
stock, but what a ride and high livin' in the lap of luxury... The
'73-76 Mark IV was probably the ultimate example, but I love the '76-78
NYer best.  A friend bought a '77 NYB brand new, in Dove grey with
matching leather, and promised to sell it to me when ready...his son
was Service Mgr at the local Chrysler dealer, and this car was cherry
in the extreme,  but in '92 when he was ready, I wasn't, and I
still regret it to this day. What a car. 

Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 26, 2009, 04:30:34 AM
(http://www.moparhemi.com/New%20Yorker%20Pictures/Talk%20of%20the%20town%20ad.jpg)

Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on January 26, 2009, 04:33:32 AM

Quote from: firedome
  A friend bought a '77 NYB brand new, in Dove grey with
matching leather, and promised to sell it to me when ready...his son
was Service Mgr at the local Chrysler dealer, and this car was cherry
in the extreme,  but in '92 when he was ready, I wasn't, and I
still regret it to this day. What a car. 

Like this? (http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif)

(http://www.moparhemi.com/78%20NYB%20Gallery/0730%20grey%20NYB%20500%20009.jpg)



Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: firedome on January 26, 2009, 04:41:17 AM
Unusual to see one w/o C pillar opera window... no, his was the 4 dr
hardtop, which I actually prefer, tho' I'm likely in the minority on
that, and I prefer the velour, but it doesn't seem to last vey well,
and the gray leather was beautiful, I must say.



My '76 & 77 Gran Fury Broughams were among my 3 favorite cars of
all time ('71 Fury III was the other) - they were sort of a tame
version NeoClassic, a bit less flambouyant, but great cars - I'd love
another one in fact, so if anyone sees a clean 74-77 Gran Fury (or Fury
III in '74) 4 dr.  please let me know!!!



Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: firedome on January 26, 2009, 04:42:29 AM
PS - gotta be a '74-77 318 or 360 Gran Fury!!

Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stitcherbob on February 26, 2009, 03:46:21 PM


Looks like Stanley is in good company here:

http://www.nybclub.org/membercars/74-78/index.htm (http://www.nybclub.org/membercars/74-78/index.htm)

http://www.nybclub.org/membercars/74-78/stanparalikis/index.htm (http://www.nybclub.org/membercars/74-78/stanparalikis/index.htm)


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stitcherbob2009-02-26 20:47:43
Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 27, 2009, 03:38:19 AM

There's some real fanatics in that bunch.  Good bunch of guys to know if you have one of these cars.
I met my best friend Lance through that site.  In fact yesterday he and I went shooting.  Used a bunch of Chevy parts for targets.   You gotta see a '64 Impala wheel cover after being assualted by a .223 semi-automatic...(http://www.moparfins.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/13zx1z7.jpg)

Commando12009-02-27 08:42:05
Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: firedome on February 27, 2009, 04:51:57 AM
Nice site and car Stan...and  now I know your name, a good Irish moniker if ever I heard one ;-).



You've got an SKS? I've been thinking about one... my son has a Russian
made full auto AK and loves it.  I've always been mostly a
scattergun guy, what with being a MD native and with the Eastern Shore
and all...



Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Steve on February 27, 2009, 06:52:45 AM
[/QUOTE]
 
You be careful with My and Mobbys cars
Title: Why are they "Formals"?
Post by: Stan Paralikis on February 27, 2009, 08:41:02 AM


Quote from: POLARACO
You be careful with My and Mobbys cars
I'm working on it. Sheesh....
Quote from: firedome
I've always been mostly a
scattergun guy...
I've always been a believer of the "Spray & Pray" methodology....
Commando12009-02-27 13:48:43