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Author Topic: Miss Belvedere vs. Stitcherbob & Polaraco  (Read 3954 times)

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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2008, 06:20:09 AM »

No - that product is designed to take stains off concrete, without
damaging the  concrete, not actually remove concrete - you will
need to chemically react  to dissolve the concrete to remove it,
sodium bicarbonate/carbonic acid, which has relatively high pH ie: not
a strong acid - but I'm afraid the only way to get it off is to react
it with an acid of  some type, controlling and monitoring the
process very carefully, flushing with lots of water... 

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« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2008, 06:33:58 AM »

They were really stupid when they unearthed this car - they should have
done their homework BEFORE  bringing it out... Archeaologists,
when bringing  stuff up from the ocean - and the comparison to
Titanic is actually highly apt here - will immediately re-submerge such
items in

fresh water, and that is what should have been done - the whole car
should  have been placed in a water tank and flushed section by
section while in a continuous sprinkler bath.. the pageant idiots just
forged blindly ahead and the result is a car now almost impossible to
restore.



I think trying to take the concrete off will cause what's left to
completely disintegrate. If the attempt must be made, I'd advise
consulting expert Archeologists who do artifact restoration and
preservation first. Such people are found at many Universities and at
the Smithsonian, who has the best - they restore all the planes and
space vehicles for Air  & Space Museum in a huge hangar
facility in Virginia. This is a scientific problem to be solved, not by
trial and error.



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« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2008, 07:38:51 AM »

Good find Stan...I would try it since it won't hurt paint......Noticed that the 5 gallon cost is much higher than Ultra One! "If it costs a lot, it's gotta work!" LOL

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« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2008, 08:13:00 AM »

AFAIK that stuff is just a detergent/surfactant... it'd be a waste of money, take a look at the chemicals in it. I used to teach Chemistry, take it from me - that ain't gonna work on solidified calcium compounds...
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« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2008, 08:21:10 AM »

If you can get me a list of the chemical ingredients, I can tell you if they might be efficacious for the intended purpose.

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« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2008, 03:15:16 PM »

Roger
 
Dwight, being in the chemical biz, is working with a couple of chemists on this to come up with a solution.  As said, there is a few things done.  It's very slowly disolving the concrete off bare metal parts, it's the painted stuff he is worried about.
 
Submerging the car in fresh water was basically what I was talking about.  At least flood the car with fresh water to get allot of the loose stuff off. . . .  Twight and I messed with the spare tire rim, which has a pretty thick layer on it.  That stuff is HARD!  But soaking a few Lug Bolts seems to be loosening up the stuff.  He needs to come up with something he can gently flush through certain areas to get it ready for the Ultra One. 
 
And you hit a nerve.  He wants some of the gunk to stay in place because it IS holding the car together.  At least for now.  He was thinking of getting it all out and maybe coating the inside with Fiberglass resin when done.
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« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2008, 04:32:33 PM »

You'd almost have to immerse that thing in a tank for months to loosen that cement up,

and the sad thing is it would have come right off, if they'd done it right away...

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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2008, 08:26:57 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2008, 04:15:57 AM »

Quote from: stitcherbob
Good find Stan...I would try it since it won't hurt paint......Noticed that the 5 gallon cost is much higher than Ultra One! "If it costs a lot, it's gotta work!" LOL
 
I'm convinced that this SHOULD seriously be looked at.  It probably isn't the "silver bullet" but, it looks like if this doesn't work, there is no chemical means to do so and the removal will have to be done mechanically.  Ultrasonic perhaps.
 
Here's more:
http://chconcrete.com/theme/5/index.php?dir=products&pg=view1.php&pid=3857&cat=0&parent=0
 
Ultrasonic:
http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:2FsDkBg7U10J:science.jrank.org/pages/7083/Ultrasonics.html+ultrasonic+cleaning+concrete&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us
Note that concrete is listed.
 
DANG!!!  I'm really starting to get interested in this!

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« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2008, 04:38:14 AM »

According to the label, it does have some acid in it,  so it might
do something, you have to react with acid of some kind to dissolve
concrete. Masons used to clean up brickwork with muriatic acid, maybe
they still do... ultrasonics are interesting, but somehow I can see it
just disintegrating the whole thing even faster! Resin coating, as
someone mentioned, might be one solution... maybe encase the entire car
as it is in a clear block, like a bee in amber!!

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« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2008, 12:05:16 PM »


I would think acid could be used based upon the assumption that the scale will dissolve faster than the the acid would react with the steel. Especially where the scale is covering a painted surface acting as a barrier to keep the acid from direct contact with steel underneath. If acid was brushed on, allowed to work for a few seconds then flushed off with running water, you should be able to dissolve just to top surface of the scale. Would take a lot of passes and take a lot of time but I don't see why it wouldn't work. I think the secret is how long to wait between applying the acid and flushing it off.

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« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2008, 06:01:26 PM »

I found Miss Belvedere's sister donor car. Spooky that it is supposedly same trim and color combo.This just might be the boost- parts wise -Dwight needs to get Missy on the road to recovery..
"resto started.." but look at the pics where the trunk used to be....
Steve,the next time you visit Missy,look up the VIN on her and see how close it is to Sissy
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« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2008, 06:21:05 PM »

As I look at the interior shots,it will match up very closely to Miss Belvedere's restoration goal-that patina kind of look without looking freshly restored.
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« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2008, 08:32:37 AM »

   Wasnt expecting that (covers wet spot on front of pants and heads to bathroom)
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