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dana44

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1958 Plymouth starter question
« on: March 15, 2015, 10:31:41 PM »

OK guys, friend has a '58 Savoy with starter problems. Needs to replace it. It has a dual quad 361 and pushbutton trans (of course), and it turns out the mini starter doesn't fit/work. My question is, is the difference between the starters due to the age and the fact the starter is an old cast iron monster and six volt instead of 12 volt? Pretty sure there isn't a flywheel number of teeth that is different from the newer ones, anyone have any info to teach me?
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2015, 04:56:52 AM »

That must be a 361 out of a later Mopar, the only V8s in '58 Plyms were 318 (V800) and 350 (Golden Commando). '59 was the first year for the 361 Golden Commando. Any 361 would be 12 volt.  All '56 and later Mopars were 12 volt. What starter should be on it depends on year the 361 is, but I didn't think they had the mini starter until later., not sure what year. If he still has the original big starter best option might be to rebuild it, there's still parts to do so and a few rebuilders around too if he doesn't want to DIY.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2015, 07:41:29 AM »

Yeah, I saw that too with the 361, it was a year early for this car, trying to verify the year of the engine. I did some searching and did see 1956 was the 6 to 12 volt change, late on my part, so the little question remains, was there an early V8 starter that was different back then, prior to the reduction gear starters or are they swappable? The mini starters were mid/late 80s (at the earliest) but they always swap in the place of the reduction gear starters, he says there are differences and it won't work, so wondering the last year this non reduction gear starter was made.
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2015, 03:40:22 PM »

I was going to ask you which trans.  I think the torque converters were different between the 2 and 3 speed.  That wasn't fixed until 1960 with the slant 6.  He was probably running the 6V starter on 12V.

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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2015, 05:12:31 PM »

Yeah, just trying to figure out the issue for the guy now, identifying the transmission was kind of half the issue. Thanks.
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2015, 10:05:40 PM »

Well, it appears the setup is a 361 and the case and torque converter of a 318 A488 (TF 727 w/removable bellhousing), the bellhousing changed to a 350/361 and the original starter used. The things we used to do to make things run back then. Wouldn't mind having the Golden Commando dual 4bbl carb setup on that baby, but then again, a six pack beats it every time.
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