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« on: August 28, 2011, 06:05:18 PM »

Hey Gang
 
Found a "'64 413 from a New Yorker" nearby (Bakersfield, Ca.) on CL. But it's red.....the same year 413 in my NYker parts car is Turquoise.....the one in the ad is grimey and dirty enough it could be original paint....suposedly a runner. Any 413's come painted red? or am I looking at a motorhome or farm implement engine.
 
Is it even a 413 or might something else be lurking under the dirt and the seller is clueless.
 
Considering where it is and it's a Mopar, the price is certainly reasonable (anything Mopar 'round these parts tends to be plated in Gold).
 
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2011, 07:59:58 PM »



No they were only Tourqoise.  The only Bib Blocks in red were Orange TNT motors.  If it's a real orange motor. . .Gold Mine
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2011, 08:51:03 PM »

Thanks Polarco
 
I'll give the guy a holler. It's definatly a reddish/orange color and the casting number listed is for a 413.....
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2011, 09:58:47 PM »

Weren't the Max Wedge 413s red, along with the 426 Max Wedge, along with chrome valve covers and the super intake and exhaust manifolds? Heads were larger port on the 426MW, not sure about the ports on the 413.
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2011, 11:01:15 AM »

OK  MAX Wedge. . .  I refered to it as TNT
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2011, 11:21:27 AM »

I called the seller. He said it came out of a '63 New Yorker he bought at one of those charity auctions. pulled the engine then tossed the car. im wondering if it's a really old respray or it came from something else. going to look at it Thursday. he said it ran like a scalded ape but with no brakes on the car, he didn't push his luck.
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2011, 01:32:05 PM »

OK, so, the best thing to do to double check the color I think would be to say you want to scrape the paint at the engine date code boss to check the year, June 1963 was the 426 Max Wedge. I think another indicator of it being a MW would be the head connection at the intake manifold, the ports were larger on the MW, giving the stock manifold a close fit to close off the ports. Now, if the boss says 42 or 426 instead of the 41 or 413, GRAB IT in a heartbeat, and if it hasn't been changed out, would have a dual points distributor. Look on the side of the block for the date stamp, too, located on the left hand side of the engine (xx-xx-xx).


Not to get too far ahead of ourselves, the Max Performance and truck engine casting number is 1852029, regular is 2120529, and 2205697 is passenger car. Good luck.
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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2011, 02:40:27 PM »

Thanks Dana 44
 
According to the seller, the casting number is 1852029 and the date is 17 Nov '63. I'll know for sure Thursday
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2011, 02:49:33 PM »



I'm betting it's a 383 or a 440 TNT motor.  Look at the pads on the front of the motor.  If it's a 383 offer him less.  If the engine size is followed by an HP, steal it and run.
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2011, 03:15:03 PM »

The 413 & 426 Max Wedge Dodges & Plymouths were Orange....I'm wondering if it got transplanted into a Chrysler at some point. Or somebody went nuts with a rattle bomb at some point.
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2011, 03:29:32 PM »

The Max Wedge engine pictures are all red. They were offered in the Dodge and Plymouth, and in a couple trucks as a special truck, about 1400 or so made. A paint scraping and the cast numbers should tell whether it was a repainted, or, how many Max Wedge 413/426 engines were put in the Chryslers? I imagine it was a special engine option, but since that car is gone, go to the two sources, the stamp pad and the engine casting and date in the block, just that simple. There were/are those dozen or less special things that were done by dealers for "those with the money" and "need for the speed", like doctors and businessmen, and the occasional moonshiner.
 
You are right, it may actually be some other engine dropped in there, and since it was a charity auction car, who knows what someone did under the hood. Things like that can be a crap shoot.
 
How about a Mercury story my dad used to tell. He had a 49 Mercury coupe and a smoking flathead under the hood. His neighbor was a doctor and liked his Lincolns. Well, his latest one had a 430 in it, and it had a lot of money put into it, he was a doctor and a doctor had to get places fast. Anyway, he hit some black ice up in the Black Diamond mountains one night and he survived, but the car went over an embankment and landed about 200 feet down a cliff. Dad asked the neighbor what he was going to do to the car, neighbor said ask the insurance company, the car was totalled. Dad went down, asked if he could have the engine and transmission, guy said he would never get that engine up the cliff, but if he could, a dollar would be a reasonable cost for the time and effort to do such a feat. Dad went to grandpa's cafe, stole a case of beer out of the reefer, got six of his buddies and they drank the beer then drug this engine and transmission up the cliff, next morning put a dollar bill on the insurance guy's desk, got a bill of sale for the engine.
 
There is a real good retread story that goes with this, but for now, an engine coming out of a car does not mean it was the original engine in the car to begin with, especially as far back as the 60s.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2011, 07:29:56 PM »



What I'm saying is the 413 was never a max wedge.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2011, 08:21:18 PM »

Yeah, it was for a couple years. Max Wedge 413, NOT stage III,
 
http://www.moparcarsforsale.net/mopar-413-max-wedge-engine-on-test-stand.php
 
and this:
 
http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0109-77061&entryRow=435
 
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2011, 08:47:09 PM »

Oh I know it's no dog....my Uncle had a 426W in his '64 Polara 500 4spd. Back in his Air Force days. I remember getting my eyeballs smashed against the back of my skull a few times riding in it....it loved 3rd gear :) That car is lurking in a garage somewhere in Boise Idaho now.
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2011, 09:04:31 PM »

Time to look at the block boss and verify its size.
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