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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2011, 07:50:26 AM »



Checkout that link.  He has a video there.  Those appear the be the quietest ones I found and they are made in the USA.  There is a Canadian outfit, but they didn't seem to be as advanced.  I'll buy US and Canada first when I can.  Missouri is a famly run outfit.  Nice people.
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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2011, 10:17:27 AM »

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Well, that's good. $10K is a reasonable cost for the amount you seem to be able to make with your system, I on the other hand have $40 a month electric bills and it would take forever to pay off. This is the whole thing about going green. It is initially expensive, is fine for one household, is not efficient enough for large grids of houses and businesses, and if worse comes to worse, you could throw a dozen batteries into the trunk of the car and go electric city driving vehicle to save even more (down the road, or until the next election cycle).
 
Hell, just run jumper cables to the battery bank.  LOL
 
I am using 6V Gell Cells and avoiding the Hydrogen gas lead acits emit.
 

I imagine it will go up when we rebuild the house this summer. I have one 30 amp fuse for the whole house and I have not blown a fuse in 15 years!
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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2011, 03:10:47 PM »



What have you got there?  2 rooms and a Path?
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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2011, 08:27:44 PM »

No, 3 bedrooms, one bath, 1500 square feet with the one car garage, my new garage is on a 12/2 250 ft extension cord right now, but I was able to run powr tools (ahhahhahhahh) without a problem. The house is on double strand/ceramic post, circa 1927 and a May 8, 1946 addition (from the original 2bedroom/4room house and back stoop).
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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2011, 08:36:23 PM »



Sounds like a southwest army special.  Are they all like that in the neighborhood?
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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2011, 10:13:36 PM »




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the Snotty 4000KwHr model

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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2011, 09:19:44 AM »

Some are, some aren't. Mine was the first house on the block (a quarter mile square at the time) back in 1927. The neighbor, who was the second owner to buy in the neighborhood a year later, pushed a chicken barn end over end and set it up. Of the 20 or so pieces of properties on the block (now), mine and the neighbor's are the only original ones, everything else is post WWII, last one built around 1980s, a few remodels since. We bought the place from the original owner in '92 with the intention of rebuilding the place back in '95. It isn't me (completely), but the wife tends to change her mind right before something is finalized, so needless to say, I don't get to make quick changes without paying dearly for it later.
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2011, 04:37:24 PM »



These people are just plain greedy!
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2011, 05:58:59 PM »

Ahhhh, the high cost of being green.
 
Why do you think it hasn't beat out the old way of producing power?
 
Until it is cheaper or at an equal cost to other forms of energy, you are going through what everyone else goes through to try to be "better for the environment", and that "sell power back to the energy companies" stuff isn't quite the payoff it sound like. Never could figure out why it costs tons of money to save money....me thinks it is mostly a scam, kind of like powdered water.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2011, 07:10:47 PM »




Then there is solar shingles.  Not as expensive as I thought.  So I will relook at the solar and plan it out better.  It's still better to have both.
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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2011, 07:57:49 PM »

Agree with both, and batteries back up to make up for the cloudy days (solar still works, but it's like running a V8 on 2 or 3 cylinders and racing), and when the wind doesn't blow, so consistency can be an issue in production of stable power, batteries help, but they can be dangerous with fumes, but they can be vented and heated and cooled (seasonally) to have them last 10 years or more, but again, initial investment never pays off, ever, deep cycle batteries (they can discharge and not kill them like a regular battery) aren't cheap, but battery technology changes can be solid/lithium, which is a lot safer, but cost is still up there, so it is kind of a break even at best deal, and we haven't even touched maintenance and repairs over time. Twenty five year life expectancy for panels, not sure about windmills, but those things have never been seen in print, not from what I have seen. I'm not saying don't do it, it just seems that what is available is treated as warp travelling spaceships and we are at a level of technology of space shuttles.
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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2011, 09:36:03 PM »



The other problem I have is guy wires.  I am going to have to strut my towers.  10 foot pieces of EMT (electrians pipe) will work wonders.
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2011, 04:11:20 AM »

From what I have read they need to be around 100 feet up and clear from any structure that can cause turbulence ( trees other buildings)..

How high are your gonna be? Do you need permits?


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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2011, 04:18:09 AM »



The problem is it's a new and unregulated industry and lots of
opportunities for rip-off artists, so do lots of homework and take your
time before you leap.  "Marry in haste and repent at leisure" as
they say... There's several really good contractors I know of in
Vermont who are both competent and honest,  you can find some in
Joisey if you're careful. Start with the BBB and then network.



I've been a fan of Physicist Amory Lovins and his Rocky Mountain
Institute for over 35 years, when I first began teaching Physical
Chemistry during the two Energy Crises of the 70s.  They were
among the first in the energy efficiency field, and they're now at the
forefront of efficiency research around the World.  You can get
the basics of current leading edge Energy Efficiency theory and, more
importantly, it's real world application here: 



http://www.rmi.org

(now there is a true Physicist's URL:   efficient!

no www.blahblahblahyadayadayada.org  here!)



The cheapest energy savings begins with conservation. Start by
tightening up your house as much as possible, make sure your heat plant
and electric-consuming appliances are efficient as possible, then
proceed with technological solutions. In the NorthEast, where there is
not as much solar gain in winter as in other places, insulating against
cold air infiltration and heat loss is the most cost efficient.
Wind/solar for electricity generation is a great supplement, and when
optimized to local conditions, can have pretty fast payback, less than
5 years in the NE where energy consumption is high. A LOT of
people are generating enough surplus power to re-feed the grid, so this
is
NOT pie-in-the sky at all, it is here now and it makes sense. Kudos to
Steve for the foresight to make a very smart investment.  If I had
the ability to do so right now, I'd Do It in a NY minute!!  
But I will do it in the near future, and our next house is going be
totally designed around integrated LEED (Google it) design, then
powered by the sun and wind.


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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2011, 06:01:27 AM »

They are planting wind farms all over South Dakota because it is always windy here i actually have a prime location for some wind power on top of our hill here but is so expensive. We have also been told by a few local people that have done it in town it doesnt look like its going to pay off for a long time and maybe never with all of the upkeep. They said wait like any market it may be better to wait a while until enough people get in the market that the prices go down.
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