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Anthony Prescott

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« on: September 29, 2010, 07:50:49 PM »

if i run a big block on propane, do i have to smog it? 
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2010, 03:11:51 AM »

I would think you will need to check with your local DMV. The nice thing about propane is the 116 octane rating. You can run 12.5 to 1 pistons on that stuff.

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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2010, 04:25:07 AM »


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if i run a big block on propane, do i have to smog it? 
C.A.R.B. is so absolute in their distorted thinking, they make the rules as they go along, so who knows.

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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2010, 04:34:58 AM »

It'd probably pass regardless, they run so clean... Sjak is the real
expert on propane here.  My guess is that if oldsters like me 'n
Stan n' Steve live long enough, we may eventually have to run our
antiques on propane in order to keep them on the road, for emissions,
if not fuel availability, reasons.  A guy has offered me a propane
rig off a Pontiac V8, but I have no idea what to do with it.

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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2010, 05:47:31 AM »

It's actually cleaner than the smog.  You don't have the Hydrocarbons like liquid does.
 
Propane is a by-product of distilling petrolium.  There wouldn't be enough of it for everyone to run on it, that's part of the reason we don't.  LNG is another source, but the oil companies are blocking that.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 09:07:02 AM »

Smog checks are required for all California cars 1976 and newer.  Diesels are exempt. 
 
If you have a car that is in these years it must be "factory correct" as to the mechanicals of the car, not the fuel. 
 
For instance, you can run propane in a '81 Cordoba with a slant 6 motor - that's nbot a problem.  What you cannot do is pass Smog if you replaced the /6 witha  318 or any other motor.  The motor MUST be the same as indicated by the VIN. 
 
You can take that /6 and upgrade it to FI, but you canot take an FI motr and swap it to a carburator.   
 
If your car/truck/motorhome is older than 1975 there's no need to worry...
 
...unless it blows smoke and you get pulled over by a CHP for smog violation.  There's no exemption in that case for a car dating to 1966.  Most people in this State do not know that.
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 09:37:53 AM »

I keep forgetting California is a foreign country.  They beat to a different drum
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 10:53:26 AM »



Propane is by definition a Hydrocarbon, being a 3 Carbon chain with
Hydrogen atoms attached, and ALL petroleum base fuels, liquid or
gaseous, are Hydrocarbons, kerosene, gasoline and diesel being complex
mixtures
of all kinds of medium-short and long chain non-aromatic and aromatic
(a structural, not smell, designation meaning ringed like benzene or straight like butane)
carbon compounds, columnar fractionation
being used to separate them in the refinery, and LNG being a mix of
propane, butane, methane etc short chain hydrocarbons compressed to a
liquid state... virtually all hydrocarbon fuels contain some sulfur
compounds, as well, and  O2 and nitrogen in the air produces
combustion products in the case of propane that, while very clean,
still contain some oxides of nitrogen and hydrocarbons as well as water
vapor... sorry just the Organic Chem teacher in me coming out...
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 12:54:23 PM »

What he say?
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2010, 03:23:10 PM »

this question is primarily for Mr Firedome............i have a background in molecular chemistry as well as physics. my initial plan was to build a hydrogen hybrid. its already in the works. would 2 fuels, used at the same time, classify my vehicle ( in california) as a hybrid?
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2010, 03:42:09 PM »

You mean like running regular and premium at the same time?
 
By definition it has to be powered by different power sources, not two different fuel sources, so gas and natural gas wouldn't qualify, but gas and electricity does. This is by definition, not what will be allowed.
 
California law is 1974 and earlier is exempt. It was supposed to be anything older than 30 years, but when 2004 came around, California got this bright idea to regulate and be the leader in the global warming initiatives, including regulating and controlling vehicles on the streets, so between the environmentalist wackos and the save the whales in Palm Springs folks have gone overboard and we were stupid enough to believe these people were going to govern us for our safety, not to control us to death.
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2010, 03:55:40 PM »

Molecular Chemistry studies chemical bonding. My background (degrees)
are in Biochemistry, wherein, as in all chemistry, reactions are
determined by forces such chemical bonds, electron orbital states, and
energy levels.   My middle son is a Nuclear (Particle) Physicist,
which deals mostly with sub-atomic and elemental forces, muons, quarks,
leptons, etc,  that are also expresed at the atomic and molecular
level.  He worked on the Relativistic Heavy Ion Super Collider
(RHISC) at Brookhaven National Labs in NY.  As far a a Hydrogen
hybrid is concerned, that seems redundant, since Hydrogen, in a fuel
cell, would be its own energy generator, not needing any batteries or
hybrid regenerative braking systems to produce or store energy for
propulsion. Unlike a fuel cell, hybrids rely on gas or diesel to run an
electric motor with battery backup for storage. Not sure of your
concept. 

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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2010, 05:11:36 PM »

so much for that. guess ill do it anyway and register it in oregon. its a big block going in a newer truck. i guess thats what i'll do.
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2010, 05:34:32 PM »


Quote from: dana44
You mean like running regular and premium at the same time?
 


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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2010, 05:58:15 PM »

Quote from: thrashingcows
Quote from: dana44
You mean like running regular and premium at the same time?

You like that, huh?
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