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firedome

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« on: October 02, 2009, 04:13:27 AM »

Well, one more American brand down the drain, this is getting scary -
in just the last few years some of the most venerable names: 
Plymouth, Oldsmobile, Pontiac.  Now Saturn bites the dust. How
much longer can Chrysler itself survive... well, at least they're out
from under Daimler's rule..

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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2009, 05:17:29 AM »

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How much longer can Chrysler itself survive...
You're joking, right?  There is no more Chrysler the way we knew it.  There is no more auto industry the way we knew it.  Obama is shipping crates of money to startup hybrid and electric companies scamming for a pc. o'the pie and the Transportation head is anti-car all together opting to shift money over from bridge repair to bicycles lanes. WTF. 
 
Chrysler is now a marketting outlet for Fiat and you had better get used to the eye-tal-yun way of how they like their cars.

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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2009, 05:43:55 AM »

I saw they didn't do very well with the clunker deal. . .  They were down 40% from last year.  They only sold 66,000 units vs. fords 111,000.
 
Not surprised. . .  The really don't have a good small car anymore since they dumped the Neon.  Morons. . . There's a ton of Cobalts and small fords out there.  That was a very big mistake to not come up with a better small car.  The Neon design is still what people want.
 
My point is. . .  In order for Chrysler to survive in the car world, they are going to need that Fiat.  Frankly, except for the name and the origan, it's welcomed to save our car company.
 
If Lee Iacocca was still at the helm, none of this would have ever happened.
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2009, 05:47:54 AM »



I sure agree about Lee, wish he'd come back and take over. They do need a good small car to live, an Fiat has 'em ...

re: new technology cars, well,  hybrid & electric is the way of the future, like it or not, and
any company without a viable vehicle in those categories soon won't
survive anyway. Every one out there is working like mad on it. There's
some very interesting articles in Automotive Engineering (SAE's journal)
on stuff in the works by US and overseas companies, one thing is
clear:  we better watch out for the Chinese!

As to Fiat, well, I had a Fiat 850 and Alfa Duetto, and they WERE fun
to drive... when running. But that was then and this is now and FIAT is
no joke these days, according to some German friends. They make world
class cars in Europe,  VM Motori (div. of Fiat) is the biggest
diesel mfr in the world, and Fiat is now the biggest tractor mfr in the
world (they own Case IH and Ford New Hollland right here in the US).
They should be taken very seriously as a world player. Trouble is , I
just don't like small cars!  From anyone!


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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2009, 03:41:33 PM »


 
Not surprised. . .  The really don't have a good small car anymore since they dumped the Neon.  Morons. . . The Neon design is still what people want.
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I just drove from NJ to PA tonight in my '00 Neon, 80mph, 25 mpg.......180,800+ miles so far....

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2009, 05:30:37 AM »

Neon was a good solid and reasonably priced smaller car. Focus is a
nice one too. Can't say the same for the Caliber, it looks like a POS,
imo, just cheap n' cheesy... I'm not a fan of Mopar styling lately,
except for Ram & Challenger. They need to get rid of whoever's in
charge of design there these days, is Trevor Creed still there or did
he get sh_tcanned by Daimler?



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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2009, 06:13:11 AM »

Yeah  Focus and the GM version of that.  Can't think of the name of it off hand. . .  But you see a tone of them.
 
Caliper was a hugh mistake
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2009, 06:43:29 AM »

cobalt. and they killed that now too, at least in SS trim.

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2009, 02:39:22 PM »

Mobby! - what's up with Tater? He's rarely around anymore...

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2009, 05:02:58 PM »

I'm converting my 87 ram to propane and gonna run that ol' girl till it falls apart on the road...no small car here...
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2009, 01:45:33 AM »

My tow truck driver has a propane conversion off a Pontiac V8, I think
I'm gonna buy it and put it on my '58... s'posedly they run so clean
the oil hardly gets dirty. Cleaner exhaust too, not a bad thing.

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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2009, 04:33:01 AM »

the man to talk to about propane conversions is SJAK....

Potato is around just a bit busy for the computer, heck its rare that I get a min to log on.


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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2009, 08:13:56 AM »

 Daimler killed Mopar when they axed Plymouth.  Historically, Plymouth outsold all other Mopar vehicles because of their value for dollar -a great example is how many '66-68 Fury's were sold compared to Newports/New Yorkers/300's.

 Diamler wanted to move Mopar "upscale", and so any low priced cars had to go. I imagine Mopar would be doing okay now if they still had a Plymouth/Dodge Neon to compete with the Focus and Cobalt. 

 We've had three Neons: The first was when they came out in late 1994: 4dr, auto ,"Highline" model - I traded in a Ford Escort for it, because the Neon was a blast to drive (it had 45 more horsepower). That one went 180,000 miles (had to have the head gasket replaced at 50K) and was sold to a friend for $2K, and he is still driving it . 

 The next was a 2000 model that lasted only a year and a half, it got badly crunched in a parking lot by teenager driven monster truck that lost of control and plowed through a row of cars (our Neon was the first one hit, and the insurance company totaled it). We replaced that one with an '02 SXT 5spd, it's got 160K on it and still going strong, but the front end needs some work. The lower control arm rear mount bushings (where it bolts to the body) are shot, they clunk on every bump.

 We also had an '05 PT Cruiser, but didn't like the 4spd auto trans because it was always hunting for the right gear, and couldn't find it! The A/C vents looked cool but didn't work well. They would never blow the air right on you which is very important in the Phoenix summers. The engine in that one was crap: the thrust bearing wore out in 30K and the crank slopped back and forth so far that the front seal popped out. Chrysler said it was a common problem on the automatics - the torque converter swells and places too much forward pressure on the crank, wearing the bearing out.  I think it was a case of modern motor oil lacking the pressure additives and a too small bearing surface--in any case they had to pay to fix it.  We traded it in on an '08 with a 5spd manual and are very happy with it so far, but I use ZDDP additive in it to prevent premature thrust bearing wear.


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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2009, 10:18:24 AM »

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Neon was a good solid and reasonably priced smaller car. Focus is a nice one too. Can't say the same for the Caliber, it looks like a POS, imo, just cheap n' cheesy... I'm not a fan of Mopar styling lately,
 
I agree.  The Caliber, 2004 and newer Dakotas and large trucks all look ... Japanese.  I hope that makes sense.  They have too many sharp angles - in my opinion.
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2009, 06:28:37 AM »


Neon was a good cheap servicaeable car, just like the K-cars. I still
see a bunch of rusty Accalims soldiering on, keepin' the financially
challenged on the road. What this country needs is not a good 5 cent
cigar, but a good $12K car, the size of an Aries, not an Aveo.


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