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Dan Cluley

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Tricks for removing upper ball joints?
« on: June 10, 2009, 07:07:58 PM »

I need to replace the upper ball joints on the Dart.
 

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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2009, 05:35:56 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2009, 09:02:37 AM »

I have done this three times.  All but one joint came out with my impact wrench.  However, that one needed to be done by hand unsing a breaker bar.
 
This may sound like a put-down, but, are you turning to the left?  I don't mean to insult you, but I've seen a couple of instances where people have told me they could not remove a bolt, and they were turning the wrong way.
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2009, 09:09:17 AM »

Gee Snots. . .I've never had a problem with the impact gun.
 
The other thing you could try is with two people, slip a pipe over the end of the breaker bar and pick up some leverage.  Make sure the car is good and sturdy. . .   One guy holds the tool on the joint and the other swings.
 
Too much leverage or poor mounting of the car and you'll be dragging that sucker all over the neighbor hood.
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2009, 10:34:29 AM »

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Gee Snots. . .I've never had a problem with the impact gun.
 
 
When I rebuilt the front-end on the '70 the Passenger side upper ball-joint was a bear!  The IW would not turn it.  However, I did have a smaller compressor at the time, so air pressure dropped off in a hurry.  I was glad I had a breaker bar, for a large, half-inch ratchet would not have done the job.
 
Once I turned it two or three revolutions, the wrench did the rest.  With the lack of pressure, I'd say it took me close to an hour to get both sides off.
 
With a new 25-gallon cmpressor, I got both sides off in less than 15 minutes last July.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2009, 04:53:00 PM »

You can use heat to help remove them--but run the risk of taking the threads out of the control arm.
Very common and had seen ball joints welded to the control arms with no problems.
Until they need to get removed-that is!!
 
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2009, 10:46:14 PM »

Actually I did try turning both ways.  I hadn't heard about them being left hand thread, but I figured anything was possible.
 
I've never been fond of playing with fire, so don't own a torch.
 
I would love to get a compressor and air tools, but I just haven't needed them enough to justify the expense (although this one is getting close)  Hmmmm....
 
What I'm thinking at this point, is picking up a 4 foot pipe and trying that.  If that doesn't work, I'm pretty sure I can get the upper control arm and the spindle unbolted and just take that to a shop and let the pros take the ball joint out.
 
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2009, 07:47:19 AM »

Hey Arlen!!  This guy's in Michigan!  How you close enough to give him a hand??
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2009, 05:56:40 PM »

Arlen is a little over an hour away,  so projects take some planning.
 
The 4' pipe didn't work, so on to plan B.
 
I unbolted the upper arm from the frame.   This allowed the spindle to be tipped out enough to get my puller in behind.
 
So now I've got the control arms with the ball joint loose in the garage.
 
I'm thinking of trying the cut off wheels in the dremel tool to split the ball joint from the bottom to break it loose.  Otherwise, I'll track down somebody with an impact wrench.
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2009, 04:18:55 AM »

People drive me nuts when they say turn the bolt to the left or to the right.
That is oh so wrong.  Its CW or CCW.
 
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2009, 07:16:49 AM »

Only had 1 that we couldn't get out years ago on a friends Barracuda...

we got the arm out & he took it to where he works to the machine shop guys.   They fought forever with bigger tools & finally welded a larger standard nut onto the top of the Balljoint & heated it & finally got it out.

So it does happen.    Haven't had any trouble since,  bigger Impact guns & longer pipes usually do it & maybe the torch for heat.

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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2009, 08:51:31 PM »

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People drive me nuts when they say turn the bolt to the left or to the right.
That is oh so wrong.  Its CW or CCW.
 
 
How about "European or American Dirt Track Racing?"  Sheesh!  To the left or CCW, a rose by any other name....
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2009, 05:35:01 PM »

Well it is indeed possible to remove ball joints with a dremel tool. 
 
First cut a series of vertical slits from the bottom, and then connect them horizontally.  Hammer and chisel knocks these pieces of skirt off, and then pop out the stud & ball.
 

 
Unscrew the grease fitting and cut an X across the top, and then knock the top center out.
 
Then cut on an angle through the wall of the ball joint from top and bottom almost to the control arm.  In the middle cut a groove almost through the wall of the ball joint, and use the chisel to split this open (this way you don't cut into the threads of the control arm)
 

 
At this point, the ball joint unscrewed quite easily.
Switched from the cutting disks to a wire wheel and cleaned up the surface rust from the control arm threads, and easily screwed the new ball joints in.
 
Figuring this out, the first one took a couple of days, but the second one not much over an hour.
 
Now I just need a dry day to put the rest back together.
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2009, 06:42:19 PM »

Sheeesh Dan
 
That's compared to emptying Lake Erie with a thimble. 
 
Hey if it works. . . .
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2009, 05:23:46 AM »

Don't laugh,  the very first ones I did in my Dart I took out with a hammer & chisel cause I was too cheap to go buy the tool......and I was bound & determined to do it!

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